[AsburyPark] Something kooky about the list
I think postings are posting late or something...just so people know. There are a couple of things i posted a while ago that just popped up now..looks like that may have happened to others. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
when was the last time you were here? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ALERT ! > > AP is part of Monmouth County, part of New Jersey, Part of the USA, > part of the World. > > I dont need to live there to see whats going on. > > Very myopic opinion you have. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > wrote: > > > What explains our observations is radically different perceptions on > > life in general. I am grateful I don't share yours. Oh and YOU DON'T > > LIVE HERE. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
> > ps - Ill come down for HW or TH and check if everything is finished - Perfect...come down in the off season so that your perception of reality can be confirmed and you can be disappointed once again. Did you know that in Asian medicine chronic dissatisfaction is connected to stomach issues? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
What are you a psycologist??? "...constant need to critcize others..." Wher did you get that from, I commented on being disappointed that the waterfront is not what it was advertised to be and that the architecture chosen leaves much to be desired. Also that the cargo boxes are rediculous and that the bandstand building should have been restored as it was designed and built. You call that "...constant need to critcize others..." Time for you to look at yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" wrote: > > > > You really want to make where people are from in relation to their > > opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not > > relevant ? > > Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots > of towns that you could be from that would tell us a lot about your > constant need to criticize others. You know what they say about > pointing fingers... > > > > I thought that topic was put to rest on this group in the past - locals > > vs nonlocals. > > > > As to my name - I'm New ... LOL > > > > Thought the issue on annonimity was also addressed. Its OK. > > Of course its OK. Cowardice and the need to hide are completely > OK..Thanks for giving me the opp to point it out to you..coward. > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > > wrote: > > > > > > Anyone know? And what's your name? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
Earlier in the year, road trip time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When is the last time you were here? > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" wrote: > > > > What are you a psycologist? > > > > "constant need to criticize others"... > > > > Where did you get that from? I said I was disappointed that the > > waterfront was not finished as advertised. That the architecture > > chosen was horrible. > > > > The cargo boxes are rediculous and the bandstand building should look > > like it was designed and orginally built. > > > > You call that "constant need to criticize others"... > > > > Perhaps its you that have issues? from having grown up there and > > being blind to the big picture. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You really want to make where people are from in relation to > > their > > > > opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that > > its not > > > > relevant ? > > > > > > Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots > > > of towns that you could be from that would tell us a lot about your > > > constant need to criticize others. You know what they say about > > > pointing fingers... > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Again, another rational observation from a local. (I keep pointing that out fot gabbi who seems to think I should have no say becaose of not being there) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good point. I've never really thought about it that way as I'm merely a renter. > When I complain about the boardwalk, I do it just on an esthetic level combined with my > desire to see our AP boardwalk really stand out, which I don't think it currently does. It's > really not wonderful enough to be labeled a "destination" in my opinion because it still > looks like a work in progress, and we've had so much wasted time pass by. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" wrote: > > > > No, obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. And in some > > cases the suggestions are good. I'm just pointing out that i have > > noticed a trend on this board. Generally, the people who have put a > > lot of time and money into their homes in the town are cautiously > > optimistic while those who don't, do the most complaining. I think > > the group that has invested time and money realizes that things take > > time because they have experience with that in their own places. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote: > > > > > > So, because it's other people's money means it's ok to do sneaky > > things like eliminate a > > > historic band shell, and allow ugly, pedestrian architecture. > > > I didn't realize life was that simple and without accountability. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Jack, > > > > > > > > Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to > > its > > > > historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's > > > > money. > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM > > spell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting > > pressure > > > > on them > > > > > > to explain > > > > > > > what happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > That seems to be the common thread in many different > > > > frustrations and > > > > > > controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them > > out? > > > > And > > > > > > whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not > > > > calling MM > > > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: JR makes FoxNews Dot Com
You would think that the thought of wearing a burka would send shivers down an American woman's spine. You know it would have to be rough at the beach. It would be worse than the woolen swimsuits that people wore at the turn of the last century. --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Gabrielle Obre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: JR makes FoxNews Dot Com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:32 PM bravo Tommy...my favorite comment was by some woman warning the men to have their girlfriends and wives get ready for burkas come Jan 20. talk about the need for education! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright" wrote: > > It's up to 114 comments - Bill O'Reilly's last column got 54 ;-) > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > Justified Right has made it to FoxNews dot com. > > > > I've posted a link to Tommy's "Losing Springsteen to Haute > Politics" at the > > Asbury Politics group > > > > > > > > _http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/asburypoli tics_ > > (http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/asburypoli tics) > > **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > > (http://local. mapquest. com/?ncid= emlcntnew000 2) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Priviledged? Do get birth control free? The poor get it free but the secret is you have to use it. Where do I sign up for the free money? I have been around awhile and haven't been able to find neither free money or easy money. --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Gabrielle Obre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again ! To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:43 PM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon wrote: > > People need an education to get work. If you don't finish high school and have a pile of kids (the express lane to poverty) how can it possibly be blamed on anyone but yourself? can't argue with you...when i commented on this once mentioning that i have managed to keep my reproductive organs under control, i was accused of being privileged. my guess is that there are just as many conniving, greedy poor people who are perpetually dissatisfied with their lives as there are greedy conniving rich people dissatisfied with their lives. (im talkin american east coast poor...nothing third world) remember, rich people get welfare too. two sides of the same coin? and a reason to figure out a way to create a trans-partisan ideology? my pleasure on the stop right there thread. i hope you are not "prayin for the end of time" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Total Benefits Lower income familes vs Total Benefits for low -middle and upper
So what is your point? People don't care about that anymore. These are old war stories to people that never had to live it. No one can understand what you went through unless they went through it too. They want the government to take of them the way mommy and daddy used to. Money for nothing and your chicks for free. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, oakdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: oakdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [AsburyPark] Total Benefits Lower income familes vs Total Benefits for low -middle and upper To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:41 PM All the talk about low income, the poor , the middle class, upper and the rich and I've been trying to calculate at the end of the year, where does each wind up if it (the household) were a business. I need some expert midns on this and writers... For exmaple, my wife and I go to work everyday and have mortgage payments, taxes, medical, dental, insurance, electric, gas, water and other nice things my parents never had like cell phone bills, cable bills, startbucks and more... I can almost say we're not really big spenders as vacations and the frills go. no giant flat screen tv, I cut my own lawn and make flowers grow from other flowers. Now, for exmaple, I have tenant "A". The state pays $1400 towards her rent and I believe most of the utilities (12x$1800) = $21,600 to the tenant so she and her kids ahve a place to live (that's "tax free income" what's that, about $28,000 if it were taxed?) When we got married a millon years ago, we moved into an apartment. We both worked out of college, during college and more. We had really a big ZERO when we said "I think I do..." We had her parents VW Rabbit Disiel with about 150,000 miles on it. I wish I still had it. I think my car died and I just rode a bike to train. We both made about $15k per year at Merrill. So what is the FAIR amount that the government has to fund a family to survive today? What are the TOTAL BENEFITS (for lack of a better word) that a family in need receives from the Federal Government, local Gov, State, local charities etc. I don't want to tihs to come across wrong, so I apoligize if it does. What is the answer to help people live? BOTH poor and the 2 income family with 3 or 4 kids that receive NO benefits Should all programs just be canned and give every family in the us two cars, a 2-4 bedroom home, a $100,000 year salary, medical care, education a couple vacations year , a 40 hour work week, food and fun? At the same time, take away the responsbilities of marriage, raising a family and working for what you get. Erase everyone's mortgages, car payments and student loans, credit debt goodbye. Restore our 401k plans and other failed moves we were dumb enough to make. And my vote goes to [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Total Benefits Lower income familes vs Total Benefits for low -middle and upper
So what is your point? People don't care about that anymore. These are old war stories to people that never had to live it. No one can understand what you went through unless they went through it too. They want the government to take of them the way mommy and daddy used to. Money for nothing and your chicks for free. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, oakdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: oakdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [AsburyPark] Total Benefits Lower income familes vs Total Benefits for low -middle and upper To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:41 PM All the talk about low income, the poor , the middle class, upper and the rich and I've been trying to calculate at the end of the year, where does each wind up if it (the household) were a business. I need some expert midns on this and writers... For exmaple, my wife and I go to work everyday and have mortgage payments, taxes, medical, dental, insurance, electric, gas, water and other nice things my parents never had like cell phone bills, cable bills, startbucks and more... I can almost say we're not really big spenders as vacations and the frills go. no giant flat screen tv, I cut my own lawn and make flowers grow from other flowers. Now, for exmaple, I have tenant "A". The state pays $1400 towards her rent and I believe most of the utilities (12x$1800) = $21,600 to the tenant so she and her kids ahve a place to live (that's "tax free income" what's that, about $28,000 if it were taxed?) When we got married a millon years ago, we moved into an apartment. We both worked out of college, during college and more. We had really a big ZERO when we said "I think I do..." We had her parents VW Rabbit Disiel with about 150,000 miles on it. I wish I still had it. I think my car died and I just rode a bike to train. We both made about $15k per year at Merrill. So what is the FAIR amount that the government has to fund a family to survive today? What are the TOTAL BENEFITS (for lack of a better word) that a family in need receives from the Federal Government, local Gov, State, local charities etc. I don't want to tihs to come across wrong, so I apoligize if it does. What is the answer to help people live? BOTH poor and the 2 income family with 3 or 4 kids that receive NO benefits Should all programs just be canned and give every family in the us two cars, a 2-4 bedroom home, a $100,000 year salary, medical care, education a couple vacations year , a 40 hour work week, food and fun? At the same time, take away the responsbilities of marriage, raising a family and working for what you get. Erase everyone's mortgages, car payments and student loans, credit debt goodbye. Restore our 401k plans and other failed moves we were dumb enough to make. And my vote goes to [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Only 50 cents! And trust me, it's worth it.
I saw that column too. Out of curiosity I spoke to Ellen because I was unclear about something. When the writer says she is "dedicating this column" to refuting what I say, did she mean "this column" as in this week, or "this column" as in always, every week? Ellen thought she might be intending to write about me every week, about what I said the week before. Since you brought it up Mario, I'm curious as to what folks think of that, from a newspaper point of view. Papers know it is hard enough to get people interested in what writers have to say. Is anyone really going to be interested in what someone has to say about what I have to say? Michael Liberatore used to do a column from the left when I was with triCity. We never mentioned one another. On a big news week we might end up writing about the same subject, but we never spoke of the other columnist. Our fear was that it would look like an Internet Chat Room fight in print. Also we weren't the story - the story is the story. It might be somewhat palatable if she wanted to respond to the issues, but she personalized the whole column and made it about me. I think that is very appropriate for a letter to the editor by a member of the public, but it doesn't seem professional for another columnist to do it. I don't write about me, so for her to write about me seems strange, journalistically. I respect a lot of opinions on this board. What say you - will that be good or bad for The Coaster? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Only 50 cents! And trust me, it's worth it. > > In the latest edition of The Coaster, pp. 11 and 38, see Kim Sullivan's new > column: > > "I'm dedicating this column to responding to 'Always Right' by Tommy De > Seno. After all, someone has to! Again , we the people need a voice of reason > and common sense in the wake of all this nonsense." > > Just 4 bits, and worth much more than a "shave and a haircut." ;-) > > Better yet, subscribe to show support to Kim for taking on such a Herculean > task. One of Hercules' tasks was cleaning the Augean Stables: > > "He cleaned in one day the ox dung of King Augeas, Jove helping him for the > most part. By letting in a river he washed away all the dung." > > "For the fifth labor, Eurystheus ordered Hercules to clean up King Augeas' > stables. Hercules knew this job would mean getting dirty and smelly, but > sometimes even a hero has to do these things. Then Eurystheus made Hercules' task > even harder: he had to clean up after the cattle of Augeas in a single day." > > > > > By Jove!http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/stables.html > > > ;-) > > > > > > **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, > no registration required and great graphics â" check it out! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol? redir= > http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
A couple of Ave Marias and we'll call it even. It's all good Sharon. ;) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Again, Mea Culpa and lashes across my shoulders! (The Monk in the > movie, DaVinci Code, did this as Penance)! I'll assume cloistered > Nuns did this too! You post so infrequent, I can't remember, (mind > like a sieve), "senior moment" or asinine old lady! Should I go into > my corner, kneel and say the rosary? All are possible! Again, Mea > Culpa! I'm a Latin-speaking, 1950's Catholic! What can I tell you? > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" > > wrote: > > > > > > So who are you quoting and what do I have to do with it? > > > > I was just talking about this thread: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/39188 > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Conservative Columnist Parker Explains why Tommy Loves Palin....She's Hot
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302489.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 Something About Sarah By Kathleen Parker Friday, October 24, 2008; A19 My husband called it first. Then, a brilliant 75-year-old scholar and raconteur confessed to me over wine: "I'm sexually attracted to her. I don't care that she knows nothing." Finally, writer Robert Draper closed the file on the Sarah Palin mystery with a devastating article in this Sunday's New York Times Magazine: "The Making (and Remaking) of McCain." McCain didn't know her. He didn't vet her. His campaign team had barely an impression. In a bar one night, Draper asked one of McCain's senior advisers: "Leaving aside her actual experience, do you know how informed Governor Palin is about the issues of the day?" The adviser thought a moment and replied: "No, I don't know." Blame the sycamore tree. McCain had met Palin only once -- in February, at the governors' convention in Washington -- before the day he selected her as his running mate. The second time was at his Sedona, Ariz., ranch on Aug. 28, just four days before the GOP convention. As Draper tells it, McCain took Palin to his favorite coffee-drinking spot down by a creek and a sycamore tree. They talked for more than an hour, and, as Napoleon whispered to Josephine, "Voilà ." One does not have to be a psychoanalyst to reckon that McCain was smitten. By no means am I suggesting anything untoward between McCain and his running mate. Palin is a governor, after all. She does have an executive résumé, if a thin one. And she's a natural politician who connects with people. But there can be no denying that McCain's selection of her over others far more qualified -- and his mind-boggling lack of attention to details that matter -- suggests other factors at work. His judgment may have been clouded by . . . what? Science provides clues. A study in Canada, published by a British journal in 2003, found that pretty women foil men's ability to assess the future. "Discounting the future," as the condition is called, means preferring immediate, lesser rewards to greater rewards in the future. Drug dealers, car salesmen and politicians rely on this affliction and pray feverishly for its persistence. The Canadian psychologists showed pictures of attractive and not-so-attractive men and women to students of the opposite sex. The students were offered a prize -- either a small check for the next day or a larger check at some later date. The men made perfectly rational decisions, opting for the delayed, larger amount after viewing the average-looking women. You know where this is going. (Women, by the way, were rational no matter what.) That men are at a disadvantage when attractive women are present is a fact upon which women have banked for centuries. Ignoring it now profits only fools. McCain spokesmen have said that he was attracted to Palin's maverickness, that she reminded him of himself. Recognizing oneself in a member of the opposite sex (or the same sex, as the case may be) is a powerful invitation to bonding. Narcissus fell in love with his own image reflected in the river, imagining it to be his deceased and beloved sister's. In McCain's case, it doesn't hurt that his reflection is spiked with feminine approval. As my husband observed early on, McCain the mortal couldn't mind having an attractive woman all but singing arias to his greatness. Cameras frequently capture McCain beaming like a gold-starred schoolboy while Palin tells crowds that he is "exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief." This, notes Draper, "seemed to confer not only valor but virility on a 72-year-old politician who only weeks ago barely registered with the party faithful." It is entirely possible that no one could have beaten the political force known as Barack Obama -- under any circumstances. And though it isn't over yet, it seems clear that McCain made a tragic, if familiar, error under that sycamore tree. Will he join the pantheon of men who, intoxicated by a woman's power, made the wrong call? Had Antony not fallen for Cleopatra, Octavian might not have captured the Roman Empire. Had Bill resisted Monica, Al Gore may have become president, and Hillary might be today's Democratic nominee. If McCain, rightful heir to the presidency, loses to Obama, history undoubtedly will note that he was defeated at least in part by his own besotted impulse to discount the future. If he wins, he must be credited with having correctly calculated nature's power to befuddle. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> T
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: downtown
The new outlet mall opens November 13th better get busy. --- On Sun, 10/26/08, jandlinap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: jandlinap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: downtown To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 10:50 AM Downtown...the boardwalk and towns across america are all finding it difficult to survive... as I see the main issue here in AP is that we needs to be marketed... outside of a 5 mile radius. We need sighns in town and on the boardwalk giving people directions to and from downtown to the boardwalk and back again.. letting vistors in both places know the other exists and what each has to offer...why does Ocean Grove have a commercial and we dont.. why are towns all over advt Xmas shopping and does asbury park chamber or city have any plans for advt and promo for the holiday season... and I dont want to have to rely on MM to bring people to this city.. it needs to be a group effort.. the city... the chamber ( which seems to have some division between downtown and boardwalk... do we fear MM...maybe we should try to work with them) the downtown business and the boardwalk.. we will all succeed if all the entities succeed...we are co-dependent. .. I just dont get how there is not one sign on the boardwalk that mentions there is a downtown... but there is a huge sign on mainstreet that sends people to the boardwalk. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright" wrote: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "New Beetoap" > wrote: > > > > I'll chime in on the downtown... It seems to also be a work-in- > > progress... BUT it is working and does look and feel like a downtown. > > > Since the majority of retail stores opened, lost money and went out of > business, those folks might disagree with you about how well it's > working. > > Retail has never grabbed on there. This year I'll do what I've done > every year as an experiment - go downtown the week before Christmas > and throw a stone done Cookman as far as I can, and I won't hit one > shopper. > > Try that in Red Bank, Freehold or in any strip mall. > > Downtown has come a long way, and it looks more like Jacobson wanted > than I wanted, but its not yet ready to be heralded as a complete > susccess. Still finding its feet. > > Hopefully someday soon it reach its potential, but its only going to > do so as part of a bigger draw involving the City as a whole. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] I feel like Bradley
Prior to his death Bradley is quoted as saying - "Had I put my money out at interest I would be a richer man today, and I would not have had the cares and worry that came with the management of my property interests along the Jersey Shore" "No, summing it all up, Asbury Park to me was a financial failure. I would have been much happier in my old age had I never heard of the place" He faced criticism for being eccentric, strong willed and was sued for being outspoken. His property became the object of a legal battle. Well.. I'm back in Court today with 19 new summons for alleged code violations. I was told I face 9 months in jail on each one. That's 14.25 years in jail... How much jail time did the owner of the Metropolitan get? Oh yeah, that's right... ZERO, Nada, Zilch... Werner PS: I am in desperate need of a competent Law Firm regarding Civil Rights and Malpractice. A source of money to lend is also a priority. Any leads would be appreciated. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury is in a HubZone
http://map.sba.gov/hubzone/hzqry.asp? command=address&STREET=&CITY=asbury+park&STATE=NJ&ZIPCODE=07712 Learn what they are: https://eweb1.sba.gov/hubzone/internet/general/faqs.cfm#Q1 It's for qualified small businesses to possibly get government contract work again, if you qualify. That's the way I read it. About time some others start looking and lobbying for some jobs to come to AP. Now you just need a nice office center to stick these jobs. Are there ANY firms in AP that would fall under this program Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I lived it - no need to web it. > > So what was your source that the redevelopment was promised to be > finished by now? > > Facts matter. You stated a fact. Support it. I'll even accept one > of your beloved internet sources. > The redevelopment started in 1880. Then 1906, 1926, 1956, 1962, 1968, 1975, 1980, 1985 and 2001, 2007. I might be off a year. I'd start by reading every piece of microfilm you can find, every old newspaper used for insulation etc. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
Downtown...the boardwalk and towns across america are all finding it difficult to survive... as I see the main issue here in AP is that we needs to be marketed... outside of a 5 mile radius. We need sighns in town and on the boardwalk giving people directions to and from downtown to the boardwalk and back again.. letting vistors in both places know the other exists and what each has to offer...why does Ocean Grove have a commercial and we dont.. why are towns all over advt Xmas shopping and does asbury park chamber or city have any plans for advt and promo for the holiday season... and I dont want to have to rely on MM to bring people to this city.. it needs to be a group effort.. the city... the chamber ( which seems to have some division between downtown and boardwalk...do we fear MM...maybe we should try to work with them) the downtown business and the boardwalk.. we will all succeed if all the entities succeed...we are co-dependent... I just dont get how there is not one sign on the boardwalk that mentions there is a downtown... but there is a huge sign on mainstreet that sends people to the boardwalk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" > wrote: > > > > I'll chime in on the downtown... It seems to also be a work-in- > > progress... BUT it is working and does look and feel like a downtown. > > > Since the majority of retail stores opened, lost money and went out of > business, those folks might disagree with you about how well it's > working. > > Retail has never grabbed on there. This year I'll do what I've done > every year as an experiment - go downtown the week before Christmas > and throw a stone done Cookman as far as I can, and I won't hit one > shopper. > > Try that in Red Bank, Freehold or in any strip mall. > > Downtown has come a long way, and it looks more like Jacobson wanted > than I wanted, but its not yet ready to be heralded as a complete > susccess. Still finding its feet. > > Hopefully someday soon it reach its potential, but its only going to > do so as part of a bigger draw involving the City as a whole. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
I lived it - no need to web it. So what was your source that the redevelopment was promised to be finished by now? Facts matter. You stated a fact. Support it. I'll even accept one of your beloved internet sources. Show me the source that caused you to say that. Here's how it goes - you can A. Give me the source B. Admit you were wrong in which case you will be forgiven C. Say nothing or continue the falsehood, in which case your credibility is shot. Go with B. I'm giving you an out. Take it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Type "Asbury Park Redevelopment" into search engine. > Go to News > Start at year 2000 > Read > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" > > > > > Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against > > >what > > > the hype and plan that was advertised. You /me/everyone was > > >promised > > > that the waterfront would be finished my now - its not even close. > > > > > > > It was promised the plan would be finished by NOW!?!? Did you read > > the plan, Newbie? It's a 30 year contract. Where did you get the > > idea it would be finished by now? Show me the exaact source that > > said that (besides you right now). > > > > > > > > > You obviously also have no clue about architecture, or maybe you > > >have > > > no clue about what the bandstand building looked like when it was > > > built. > > > > It looked like a monstrosity of bad archetecture, the same as it > > looks today. One of the worst moves the City made was bowing to > the > > Nostalgia Nazi by keeping it standing. > > > > Another missed opportuntity to build somehting new and > extraordinary > > in favor of the dead hand control of the past. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Type "Asbury Park Redevelopment" into search engine. Go to News Start at year 2000 Read --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" > > > Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against > >what > > the hype and plan that was advertised. You /me/everyone was > >promised > > that the waterfront would be finished my now - its not even close. > > > > It was promised the plan would be finished by NOW!?!? Did you read > the plan, Newbie? It's a 30 year contract. Where did you get the > idea it would be finished by now? Show me the exaact source that > said that (besides you right now). > > > > > You obviously also have no clue about architecture, or maybe you > >have > > no clue about what the bandstand building looked like when it was > > built. > > It looked like a monstrosity of bad archetecture, the same as it > looks today. One of the worst moves the City made was bowing to the > Nostalgia Nazi by keeping it standing. > > Another missed opportuntity to build somehting new and extraordinary > in favor of the dead hand control of the past. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now that is just not born out by the reality since 2000. > Just look up "Abury Park redevelopment" in your favorite search > engine. Don't need the 'net, I was here before it, during it and after it. I studied it and journaled it. The redevelopment overcame the most insidious problem a community can have - the free market had abandoned AP. Even when markets were good, real estate was still selling here for amounts you could put on your credit card "many people did by buildings with credit cards." Too overcome that and bring it to where it is today in a short period is amazing. > What are you a city PR guy? By choice, not appointment. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your postings indicated you are content to have fun... I'll join her. > the internet gives me access to volumes of > information. That right there could be your problem. After all - you're posting to the Internet and getting the facts wrong. I'm sure some poor soul will do a search, find your posts and then get it all wrong too. >Im not interested in the day to day stuff or having fun > there all the time. What's your problem with fun? > I am interested in going someplace that has character and history. You can't change history. Character it has already. > A place that is part of American culture where I can see icons and >feel > like great care was taken to respect the place. The only place of Icon status in Asbury Park is Stephen Crane's house and Woodrow Wilson's Office on Bangs Avenue. Other than that Absury Park was playground and neighborhood, neither of which are Icons. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against >what > the hype and plan that was advertised. You /me/everyone was >promised > that the waterfront would be finished my now - its not even close. > It was promised the plan would be finished by NOW!?!? Did you read the plan, Newbie? It's a 30 year contract. Where did you get the idea it would be finished by now? Show me the exaact source that said that (besides you right now). > You obviously also have no clue about architecture, or maybe you >have > no clue about what the bandstand building looked like when it was > built. It looked like a monstrosity of bad archetecture, the same as it looks today. One of the worst moves the City made was bowing to the Nostalgia Nazi by keeping it standing. Another missed opportuntity to build somehting new and extraordinary in favor of the dead hand control of the past. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll chime in on the downtown... It seems to also be a work-in- > progress... BUT it is working and does look and feel like a downtown. Since the majority of retail stores opened, lost money and went out of business, those folks might disagree with you about how well it's working. Retail has never grabbed on there. This year I'll do what I've done every year as an experiment - go downtown the week before Christmas and throw a stone done Cookman as far as I can, and I won't hit one shopper. Try that in Red Bank, Freehold or in any strip mall. Downtown has come a long way, and it looks more like Jacobson wanted than I wanted, but its not yet ready to be heralded as a complete susccess. Still finding its feet. Hopefully someday soon it reach its potential, but its only going to do so as part of a bigger draw involving the City as a whole. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Now that is just not born out by the reality since 2000. Just look up "Abury Park redevelopment" in your favorite search engine. What are you a city PR guy? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The redevelopment has been handled wonderfully by the administration > in Asbury Park. > > The strides that have been taken were written off as impossible for > many years by the business community and the political community. > > By any objective account the redevelopment is a great success. > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" > wrote: > > > > What a rediculous comparison, maybe you dont realize that the > > redevelopment of the waterfront is an act created by your own > > government. Its acres of land and millions of dollars in the > balance > > for the public - that would be YOU. You should be a bit pissed off > > about how its all been handled. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" wrote: > > > > > > Hey Jack, > > > > > > Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to > its > > > historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's > > > money. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" > wrote: > > > > > > > > The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM > spell. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" > > > wrote: > > > > > > MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting > pressure > > > on them > > > > > to explain > > > > > > what happened. > > > > > > > > > > That seems to be the common thread in many different > > > frustrations and > > > > > controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them > out? > > > And > > > > > whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not > > > calling MM > > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > wished I was tall enough to spin upside > down in the spinning tube, Man, that thing was the best. I remember sitting for what seemed like hours (probably was only 15 minutes) for the sketch artist in the Casino arcade for a single portrait he was doing of my brother, sister and me. He would only do one of us at a time, so while I had to sit still in an agonizingly uncomfortable position, the other two were off riding the Mad-O-Rama or bumping around the hall of mirrors. The second the sketch guy was done, I ran right into the fun house and headed for that tube. I was also too short at the time and I have no idea why I didn't crack my skull every time I went in there. I'd probably be bored with Great Adventure now, but back then, that silly tube was like Oz. :) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
The redevelopment has been handled wonderfully by the administration in Asbury Park. The strides that have been taken were written off as impossible for many years by the business community and the political community. By any objective account the redevelopment is a great success. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What a rediculous comparison, maybe you dont realize that the > redevelopment of the waterfront is an act created by your own > government. Its acres of land and millions of dollars in the balance > for the public - that would be YOU. You should be a bit pissed off > about how its all been handled. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" wrote: > > > > Hey Jack, > > > > Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to its > > historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's > > money. > > > > Dan > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote: > > > > > > The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM spell. > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" > > wrote: > > > > > MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure > > on them > > > > to explain > > > > > what happened. > > > > > > > > That seems to be the common thread in many different > > frustrations and > > > > controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them out? > > And > > > > whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not > > calling MM > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
OK - lets explore that... You are living there, part of the community and view things from that perspective, day to day, seeing small incrimental changes in the positive direction, busy managing you life, work etc. Partaking in the events. Your postings indicated you are content to have fun and not know much about redevelopment or architecture. I dont live there, but the internet gives me access to volumes of information. Im not interested in the day to day stuff or having fun there all the time. I am interested in going someplace that has character and history. A place that is part of American culture where I can see icons and feel like great care was taken to respect the place. Thats where I like to spend my $$$. Yes apperances and expectations are everything to me and every other $$$ spending person that may chooses to visit. That explains our differing perspective more than eanything, You seem to want to hold AP for yourself and the others like you that live there. Open up and let others in and take in there observations, things you may not even care or think about. .follow--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had to add more, please excuse. Most importantly what you don't > experience here and I am guessing you never will is the COMMUNITY. > Perfect? no way, but what community is? You don't talk to the people > walking around, you don't have the pleasure of knowing some of the > staff at the restaurants and bars, you don't experience any of the > many community orgs that give this place such an incredible amount of > soul and caring. You don't know anything about the incredible people > who give their all to the sports teams. Danny McKee comes to mind. Do > you even know anything about the Bike Church? What about Artscap? Have > you ever been to the Crane House? What about any of the incredible > churches? How many times have you heard music hear? I can't count the > number of times I have. Did you ever see dolphins from the BB? How > about dance there during Road Trip with a full moon, fireworks and > great music? I am leaving out far more than exists in terms of the > people and organizations that make up this extraordinary place. But > you wouldn't know anything about that because all you care about is > what you want it to look like. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
> > Perhaps its you that have issues? from having grown up there and > being blind to the big picture. > Of course, and if i had said i first heard about it 4 years ago you would have had an answer for that. Dude, go fall in love with some place and then come and talk to me about it. Or go to the city council meetings and take the mic, or try and get a meeting with Mottola. But you "LOL"s at what you see as Asbury's expense are a bore, not to mention infantile and your anonymity is cowardice. Doesn't seem like you'd get any invites anyway, and i don't need any. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
When is the last time you were here? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are you a psycologist? > > "constant need to criticize others"... > > Where did you get that from? I said I was disappointed that the > waterfront was not finished as advertised. That the architecture > chosen was horrible. > > The cargo boxes are rediculous and the bandstand building should look > like it was designed and orginally built. > > You call that "constant need to criticize others"... > > Perhaps its you that have issues? from having grown up there and > being blind to the big picture. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" > wrote: > > > > > > You really want to make where people are from in relation to > their > > > opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that > its not > > > relevant ? > > > > Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots > > of towns that you could be from that would tell us a lot about your > > constant need to criticize others. You know what they say about > > pointing fingers... > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
ALERT ! AP is part of Monmouth County, part of New Jersey, Part of the USA, part of the World. I dont need to live there to see whats going on. Very myopic opinion you have. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What explains our observations is radically different perceptions on > life in general. I am grateful I don't share yours. Oh and YOU DON'T > LIVE HERE. > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
I had to add more, please excuse. Most importantly what you don't experience here and I am guessing you never will is the COMMUNITY. Perfect? no way, but what community is? You don't talk to the people walking around, you don't have the pleasure of knowing some of the staff at the restaurants and bars, you don't experience any of the many community orgs that give this place such an incredible amount of soul and caring. You don't know anything about the incredible people who give their all to the sports teams. Danny McKee comes to mind. Do you even know anything about the Bike Church? What about Artscap? Have you ever been to the Crane House? What about any of the incredible churches? How many times have you heard music hear? I can't count the number of times I have. Did you ever see dolphins from the BB? How about dance there during Road Trip with a full moon, fireworks and great music? I am leaving out far more than exists in terms of the people and organizations that make up this extraordinary place. But you wouldn't know anything about that because all you care about is what you want it to look like. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
What are you a psycologist? "constant need to criticize others"... Where did you get that from? I said I was disappointed that the waterfront was not finished as advertised. That the architecture chosen was horrible. The cargo boxes are rediculous and the bandstand building should look like it was designed and orginally built. You call that "constant need to criticize others"... Perhaps its you that have issues? from having grown up there and being blind to the big picture. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" wrote: > > > > You really want to make where people are from in relation to their > > opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not > > relevant ? > > Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots > of towns that you could be from that would tell us a lot about your > constant need to criticize others. You know what they say about > pointing fingers... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
Someone let me know that on the AP gay list no one talks about redeveopment, the city, planning, the budget or anything else that requires critical thought. Home repairs, things for sale, fun things to do... I'm told are the hot topics. Perhaps requiring everyone to ID themselves leads to neutering the opinions ... have to follow the clique you know... get invited to the parties... right? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Thought the issue on annonimity was also addressed. Its OK. > > > > BTW...someone let me know that on the AP gay list anonymity is not > allowed. Has that ever been considered an option for this list? It > seems reasonable to believe it would add a little integrity to the list. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was refering to the PRESS as an establishment not a particular > publication. > > FYI - the New York Times and NBC TV and Radio ...etc, all hyped the > coming back of AP...maybe you missed all that. Look, all the evidence points to Asbury coming back...since you never come here, you wouldn't know that. Yes the economy is going to hit us. > > Q - when did you hear about AP and what is your time stamp of > reference ? Hmmm..lets see, I don't really remember because I was an infant. My grandparents had a tent in OG and I grew up in Red Bank. Born at Monmouth Med. I rode that great ferris wheel in the tillie building with my parents when they still liked each other, won a couple of gold rings on the carousel, wished I was tall enough to spin upside down in the spinning tube, played skeeball with my high school love for what seemed like hours in the shady eighties, loved loved loved that kooky funhouse that you rode through on those cool carts and never wanted to see my chubby little body look even more chubby in those funky mirrors. > > That could explain alot about our differing observations. What explains our observations is radically different perceptions on life in general. I am grateful I don't share yours. Oh and YOU DON'T LIVE HERE. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" > wrote: > > > > > > You really have no clue what Im talking about... "romantic > childhood > > > memories" > > > > > > I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me > > > that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or > so. > > > AP was on national television, in the Press, Springsteen had > concerts > > > there to celebrate. > > > > So you believe American Mainstream Media? Pretty deluded. You bank > on > > what the APP says. Doubly deluded. Anyone in AP knows not to pay > much > > attention to the APP unless you need a sports score or a lottery > number. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
> > Thought the issue on annonimity was also addressed. Its OK. > BTW...someone let me know that on the AP gay list anonymity is not allowed. Has that ever been considered an option for this list? It seems reasonable to believe it would add a little integrity to the list. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
I was refering to the PRESS as an establishment not a particular publication. FYI - the New York Times and NBC TV and Radio ...etc, all hyped the coming back of AP...maybe you missed all that. Q - when did you hear about AP and what is your time stamp of reference ? That could explain alot about our differing observations. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" wrote: > > > > You really have no clue what Im talking about... "romantic childhood > > memories" > > > > I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me > > that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or so. > > AP was on national television, in the Press, Springsteen had concerts > > there to celebrate. > > So you believe American Mainstream Media? Pretty deluded. You bank on > what the APP says. Doubly deluded. Anyone in AP knows not to pay much > attention to the APP unless you need a sports score or a lottery number. > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You really want to make where people are from in relation to their > opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not > relevant ? Not relevant? Are you capable of ANY self reflection? There are lots of towns that you could be from that would tell us a lot about your constant need to criticize others. You know what they say about pointing fingers... > > I thought that topic was put to rest on this group in the past - locals > vs nonlocals. > > As to my name - I'm New ... LOL > > Thought the issue on annonimity was also addressed. Its OK. Of course its OK. Cowardice and the need to hide are completely OK..Thanks for giving me the opp to point it out to you..coward. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > wrote: > > > > Anyone know? And what's your name? > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
You really want to make where people are from in relation to their opinions/observations an issue dont you ? Why ?? Cant see that its not relevant ? I thought that topic was put to rest on this group in the past - locals vs nonlocals. As to my name - I'm New ... LOL Thought the issue on annonimity was also addressed. Its OK. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone know? And what's your name? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You really have no clue what Im talking about... "romantic childhood > memories" > > I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me > that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or so. > AP was on national television, in the Press, Springsteen had concerts > there to celebrate. So you believe American Mainstream Media? Pretty deluded. You bank on what the APP says. Doubly deluded. Anyone in AP knows not to pay much attention to the APP unless you need a sports score or a lottery number. > > Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against what > the hype and plan that was advertised. You /me/everyone was promised > that the waterfront would be finished my now - its not even close. > > You obviously also have no clue about architecture, or maybe you have your right, i don't..all i know is that with convention hall and the carousel building, berkely and a bunch a buildings on cookman, Ap is far more interesting than most of the other shore towns around. remember, I live here so i see them all the time. > no clue about what the bandstand building looked like when it was > built. your right again. and i have to apologize to Jack, it does look neglected and possibly doomed. things change. get over it or pine for the past forever. or become a billionaire, take the risks that others do with investments in a town sold out by its leadership. > > In any case open your head and stop just having fun as you said for a > bit - take in all the observations of others and maybe something will > click. Stop having fun? enjoying my short existence on this beautiful planet? No thanks, you obviously have. My head is pretty open. People like you remind me i need to work more on opening my heart. > > I have every right to be disappointed in AP - and the reasons are > obvious and valid. Dont brush it off as "o, just some outsider > unhappy". > of course you have a right to be disappointed and I have a right to realize that my happiness and gratitude don't come from some external superficial source. I am guessing you will never get this. > Its outsiders coming there to spend money that may very well save > your a$$ instead of 10,000 condos. They better leave there happy and > impressed or they are not coming back. My ass doesn't need to be "saved" and outsiders ARE coming in and DO leave happy on a regular basis. I know because I watched and listened to them ALL summer. Now the economy is another situation. > > ps - Ill come down for HW or TH and check if everything is finished - great, come down in the off season so that your distorted perceptions can be validated and your dissatisfaction fed once more. > LOL I do everyday... > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > wrote: > > > > Newbee...not sure what to say to you. the board is small minded, > > asbury is a joke to you, you don't live here and havent been in a > > while. i just don't get your presence here then. asbury doesn't need > > to be a pacifier to all those with romantic childhood memories. > > > > i never thought i would be in the position of defending a developer, > > but i would like people to think about what it takes to open the > > number of businesses they are linked to, create the number of jobs > in > > those businesses and deal with the politics, red tape and suspicious > > citizens, and the legacy of widespread corruption and decay. i don't > > see MM as any sort of Saviour, but lets be real...what would AP look > > like right now without them? about the bandstand...what are the *&^ > > facts? why would there have been repair if it was doomed? i have > > asked this before. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
You really have no clue what Im talking about... "romantic childhood memories" I have no memories of AP - what I do have is the media telling me that AP is coming back - telling me that as far back as 2001 or so. AP was on national television, in the Press, Springsteen had concerts there to celebrate. Im not measuring the present against any memories, but against what the hype and plan that was advertised. You /me/everyone was promised that the waterfront would be finished my now - its not even close. You obviously also have no clue about architecture, or maybe you have no clue about what the bandstand building looked like when it was built. In any case open your head and stop just having fun as you said for a bit - take in all the observations of others and maybe something will click. I have every right to be disappointed in AP - and the reasons are obvious and valid. Dont brush it off as "o, just some outsider unhappy". Its outsiders coming there to spend money that may very well save your a$$ instead of 10,000 condos. They better leave there happy and impressed or they are not coming back. ps - Ill come down for HW or TH and check if everything is finished - LOL --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Newbee...not sure what to say to you. the board is small minded, > asbury is a joke to you, you don't live here and havent been in a > while. i just don't get your presence here then. asbury doesn't need > to be a pacifier to all those with romantic childhood memories. > > i never thought i would be in the position of defending a developer, > but i would like people to think about what it takes to open the > number of businesses they are linked to, create the number of jobs in > those businesses and deal with the politics, red tape and suspicious > citizens, and the legacy of widespread corruption and decay. i don't > see MM as any sort of Saviour, but lets be real...what would AP look > like right now without them? about the bandstand...what are the *&^ > facts? why would there have been repair if it was doomed? i have > asked this before. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] What town does Newbee Live in?
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[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
That short blurb is a gem - right on the money... anyone who ever studied marketing will see the validaty of it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jandlinap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree with you... my concern is not about me... my responsibility > is to get you to come in the door..once you get to Asbury Park... I > think it is the responsibility of a chamber(not just here but > everywhere)...and a city to market the city to bring people to the > streets. We are positioned to really move ahead...This economy is > difficult...but could be used for our advantage...if people want to > stay closer to home...we have great destinations...we need to market > our great city to those outside of a 20mile radius...and we need to > re educate those within the 20 mile radius that AP is safe...still a > stigma... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jandlinap" wrote: > > > > > > - > > > > > > > and you do a great job of marketing your business. It's part of > your > > costs. If you contribute to the chamber as well, that provides > > additonal reach via amount of available $ (it should). No one is > ever > > going to agree. What if someone eats at another place and not > yours? > > Were your $ wasted? > > > > Again, the boardwalk and downtown throughout history always > competed. > > The boardwalk merchants wanted people on the boardwalk and downtown > > merchants want people downtown. > > > > You serve a brunch. You should be able to have early morning bech > > goers.. if people are here on summer days ro nice weekends, most > like > > to see water. X number of people will come to water to eat. You > need > > an overflow of X's, not so nice beach weather or other means of > > getting people to the downtown. Coupons might work for off hours or > > summer afternoons. People. > > > > I sell stuff (mostly information) on the Internet. I need lots of > > information. I need lots of vistors. The more vistors I have, the > > more money I have a CHANCE of making. Repeat vistors might be used > to > > the infomrmation and use the site differently then a new vistor and > > therefore, not buy or search the way I want. Same as a new vistor > or > > repeat vistor to the boardwalk - or the downtown. It's possible > that > > some people will always go back to the same place to eat -others > will > > experiment. > > > > It's a basic business model. > > > > You need people or traffic. A % of them will buy from you. I might > > see 6-7%. That's if I have 3,000 vistors or 10,000 or 30,000. I am > > spending time, and money to increase that. > > > > Here's another example. > > > > For the asburyboardalk.com website, I have spent over $1500 > > advertising it. Why? It ranks among the top in all search results > > already..BUT, my ad, with that limited budget has appears over TWO > > MILLION times on numerous websites with a small % actaully clicking > > it and coming to the website. So wants in it for me? Good question. > > > > I run my ads for real estate. > > > > And, as a public service ): , I have a fairly upto date dining > guide > > and club guide etc. I think I asked the chamber to contribute > towards > > advertising on the website because $100 / month TOTAL goes along > way. > > I know how many people look at the dining guide and events (which > > should be expanded...). > > > > Good food, good prices and good atomsphere go along way to repeat > > business. Keep it up. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
I'll chime in on the downtown... It seems to also be a work-in- progress... BUT it is working and does look and feel like a downtown. >From what I know it was not kicked off as a redevelopment it was started by a few ballsy guys with money that saw the opportunity. Private enterprise at work, completely different than the waterfront - a government directed and managed mess. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jandlinap" wrote: > > > >...and put the local effort into > > downtown... and let the boys with the big money play with the boardwalk > > > > That big money also plays a vital role in the rest of the downtown and > the rest of the city. job creation, major events (which in turn role > over or could, into downtown). > > The beach and boardwalk are like having a convention center or a > ballfield. The downtown has to play off of that AND what it can do for > itself. The city as a whole has to control the image and get past we > vs them. Throughout history the downtown and boardwalk always wondered > what the other was up to. > > MM marketing plans and those of their merchants may or may not benfit > the downtown or it will. The people they draw and how they maintain > their businesses will have (does have) a direct impact on the > impression on the rest of the city. The downtown leaves an impression > as does main street, memorial drive, asbury ave and springwood and > every other street in the city. > > The best way to see what I mean is to hop on a bike, your feet or if > you have to, a car and drive EVERY street in Asbury. > > PS, Asbury Park is also on the west side of the tracks, runs down > Asbury Ave to Ridge. It's the "southwest". > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
You are really hitting a nail there... whats wrong with AP that blinds people to the obvious? Something in the water they serve? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay, but Jack's original post to which I was responding was > complaining about (along with some aesthetic issues) the lack of > adherence to agreements. He mentioned the bandshell. Apparently > (according to Maureen's tape of the council meeting several weeks > back) MM/Partners or some derivation thereof was supposed to, as part > of the WRA, have at least started to restore the bandshell to working > order by this summer. That hasn't happened and doesn't look like it > ever will. So there's an example of a promise made and broken with, > apparently, no explanation for the citizenry on whose behalf the city > signed the WRA. > > I don't think this is about being ballsy with someone else's money. > If in fact the economic downturn has caused a delay in construction, > that's perfectly legitimate and understandable. But why can't the > developer send a representative to the council meeting and explain to > the council, with the citizenry listening, why that delay is > happening and what the company is doing to address it? Instead, > Werner asks a perfectly legitimate question and is rebuffed (by > Sammett was it?) with some obfuscation about plans being "supplanted" > and no visible effort on the part of the council to demand a public > explanation from MM/Partners. > > Remember also that, unless I'm mistaken, the WRA doesn't stipulate > that once all the pavilions and the Casino are rebuilt and making > money that MM donate them all back to the city and leave town like > some good Samaritan. Unlike an individual homeowner, this is a > multimillion dollar company with dozens of develoments throughout the > country. They're in town to make money - lots of it - for a very, > very long time. And if they do, it will be because the city (again, > on behalf of the citizenry) provided them that opportunity. So why > doesn't MM/Partners show as much deference toward their hosts as the > hosts have shown toward them? Everyone who lives or owns a business > in Asbury Park has the right to expect the city council to hold > MM/Partner accountable when it comes to signed agreements, regardless > of whether they rent or own. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" wrote: > > > > No, obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. And in some > > cases the suggestions are good. I'm just pointing out that i have > > noticed a trend on this board. Generally, the people who have put > a > > lot of time and money into their homes in the town are cautiously > > optimistic while those who don't, do the most complaining. I think > > the group that has invested time and money realizes that things > take > > time because they have experience with that in their own places. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote: > > > > > > So, because it's other people's money means it's ok to do sneaky > > things like eliminate a > > > historic band shell, and allow ugly, pedestrian architecture. > > > I didn't realize life was that simple and without accountability. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Jack, > > > > > > > > Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to > > its > > > > historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's > > > > money. > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM > > spell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting > > pressure > > > > on them > > > > > > to explain > > > > > > > what happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > That seems to be the common thread in many different > > > > frustrations and > > > > > > controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them > > out? > > > > And > > > > > > whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not > > > > calling MM > > > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is sub
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
What a rediculous comparison, maybe you dont realize that the redevelopment of the waterfront is an act created by your own government. Its acres of land and millions of dollars in the balance for the public - that would be YOU. You should be a bit pissed off about how its all been handled. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dsher4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Jack, > > Buy an old house in AP and use your dollars to bring it back to its > historical past. Its easier to have balls with someone else's > money. > > Dan > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote: > > > > The city council, but it feels like they are under the MM spell. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" > wrote: > > > > MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure > on them > > > to explain > > > > what happened. > > > > > > That seems to be the common thread in many different > frustrations and > > > controversies. So whose responsibility is it to call them out? > And > > > whose responsibility is it to call THOSE people out for not > calling MM > > > out? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Thanks for the back up, I guess from reading your posts that you are a local, great to hear someone in the mix have sensible opinions. LOL - So... is everything finished, place packed for the winter? LOL LOL --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tend to agree with much of what New Beetoap says. > First off, it's 100% obvious that the bandshell is never going to see the light of day again, > and MM is getting away with it because nobody is putting pressure on them to explain > what happened. > Next, the shipping containers. They looked bad enough during the summer, but now they > just help make it look like a perpetual construction site. > Why has work stopped on the water park? > Why did the farmers market stop? Probably because it was poorly executed. Fall is the > perfect time for a great farmers market, but no, our highly touted boardwalk version > closed in Sept. Bad move in my opinion. > What about finishing the plaza in front of Convention Hall? > Speaking of Convention Hall, yes, it looks good, but the restoration is far from being done. > I'll also stick to my early opinion that the pavilions look out of place, and look more like > strip mall architecture then something that would be appropriate for a place with a history > like Asbury Park. I think a huge opportunity was lost by not going back to archival photos > and designing things that looked like Asbury Park at it's height. > Finally, it really disgusted me to see Gary Mottolo tell a woman that she couldn't walk her > dog on the boardwalk? Who is he? Is he an officer of the law? No. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't get where you are coming from. Do you live here? Own > > property > > > here? you haven't been here is several months? if you haven't been > > > here is several months, whats your gripe and what do you care? you > > > sound like one of those freaks on APP boards curiously bent on > > > badmouthing AP. > > > > > > Y, you sure don't 'get it' that's a fact, glad you cleared that up. > > I've read your/that attitude in this group before, that anyone not > > local or in the clique gets no credibility. Thats the problem with > > AP, too many small minded people not willing to take advice or learn > > from others experiences. > > > > I don't need to be there, or own a house there, or come down often, > > to care. There are millions of people like me and we have money to > > spend to go to interesting unique places. Don't you realize that just > > the name Asbury Park is recognized by millions ? > > > > When years of hype have been spent and years of supposed rebuilding > > done, don't you see how your reality doesn't match the advertized > > product. AP is a product you know, and it's not what was advertized. > > > > > > > You obviously haven't been enjoying it here. i have, > > > and i am not alone. I am sorry AP isn't bringing you pleasure or a > > > return or whatever you are looking for. i moved here because i love > > > it. still do, with all its imperfections. i am more in love all the > > > time. that doesn't mean i don't think the budget should be looked at > > > etc..but love is more in spite of than because of. > > > > > > Contrary, I had a good time, my comments were about the environment > > and the treatment its getting. Along with the lack of meeting > > expectations. That bandshell building is a perfect example. You have > > a building that is authentic space age '60s and it survived as > > originally designed until your developers got a hold of it and ruined > > it. > > > > If you dont see the destructive effects on your own attractions then > > I can't explain it to you. I also mentioned the container buildings > > and the fact that all the real buildings are just stuccoed over like > > a generic strip mall. > > > > There are not 'imperfections' these are major mistakes. AP had so > > much potential but chose, or allowed, a low standard of rebuilding. > > Get out of town and see what good design and treatment looks like in > > other places. > > > > > > > > come down. ill meet you for a tea, drink, tour of our beautiful > > > unfinished little city. > > > > > > > No thanks, I think we would just get into an argument. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.y
