Re: [AsburyPark] from today's NYTimes

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Mr. Miller desperately needs a fact checker.


 
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[AsburyPark] video of C-8 implosion available

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on city's web site. Windows users may need to download the free Quicktime 
viewer. 

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[AsburyPark] flatbed trailers...

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Anyone have a lead on a flatbed trailer that can be used for a parade float?  
Sometimes a landscaping trailer can suffice. The flat bed is needed for NJ 
Pride Parade and the City's Fourth of July Parade. Please contact me off-list. 
(917) 842-1595.

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[AsburyPark] [Q-spot] Bias Crimes in Monmouth County

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Title: [Q-spot] Bias Crimes in Monmouth
County






PLEASE RSVP IF YOU PLAN ON ATTENDING. www.jsqspot.org

And please forward this e-mail to other GLBT mailing lists and
bulletin boards.

How many
anti-gay bias crimes happen in Monmouth County in a year?

Do you know what constitutes a bias crime?

If you are the victim of a bias crime would you know where to turn and
what to do?

How do the local police departments cooperate with the Monmouth County
Prosecutor when it comes to hate crimes?

These questions and more will be answered when Detective Dave
D'Amico of the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office drops in for a
Quesday event on May 2nd. We've also invited the Prosecutor himself,
Luis Valentin as well as Asbury Park's Deputy Police Chief, Mark
Kinmon.


Where: Taka Restaurant, 632 Mattison Avenue [map], Asbury Park

When: Quesday, May 2nd, 2006

Time: Doors open at 7pm for social time, program begins at
7:30 pm

Cost: $5 suggested donation (more if / less if)

Refreshments: Coffee, soft drinks and dessert snacks will
be provided.

Unless otherwise noted, all "Quesdays" programs are
open to the general public and take place in a wheel-chair accessible
location.


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[AsburyPark] Get "Jazzy" tomorrow

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Title: Get "Jazzy" tomorrow




When: Quesday, April 25th, 2006

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Kati "Jazzy"
Gray-Sadler will offer selected readings from her book
"Introducing ROW 'Rules of Engagement'" -- a collection
of 32 witty, candid and provocative discussion topics exploring the
social etiquette of "Women in the Life." The audience is
invited to join the discussion afterwards.

After coming our more than 10 years ago, Jazzy found that many
lesbian women she met portrayed one of three personas: androgynous,
femme, or masculine. "My persona didn't fit any of those. I did
not feel like I had to change my persona or my personality simply
because I'm a lesbian." Rules of Engagement is the
conversation and dance Jazzy did in her self-search to find her place
"In the Life."

Great Insight: This book offers unique
perspectives on many issues related to woman-on-woman relationships.
Some of the perspectives are definitely worth discussing as part of a
group. --Book Club President, May 12, 2005

Living Out Loud: This is truly a one of a
kind book. It's a keeper. ROE does something never done before. It
speaks openly and honestly to, and not at, women in the life. If only
I had had this book 20 years ago. Perhaps the road would not have been
so rocky. --B&N reviewer, May 23, 2005

Where: Taka Restaurant, 632 Mattison Avenue [map], Asbury Park

When: Quesday, April 25th, 2006

Time: Doors open at 7pm for social time, program begins at
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Rita's deli.... Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Save the Baronet Theater

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 6:50 PM -0400 4/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...Where did you get that information from. Rita never had her property listed 
>for any price yet. What bullshit fool like you would buy a small place with a 
>eminent domain cloud over it?

If Rita's deli is not listed for sale then how do you explain this?

http://tinyurl.com/el8j4

Crap. I almost made it two weeks without mentioning Rita's name in one of my 
emails. Now I guess I'll have to be verbally assaulted again the next time she 
sees me.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Missed Opportunities

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At 12:34 PM + 4/5/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>...Rita constantly questions the bills. IN the past months there has
>been approvals of thousands of dollars for office furniture. You ask
>but can't find out exactly what or how much was bought. Once there
>was an expense of over $600 for a chair. Who approves this crap? I
>have a more expensive chair but I am paying for it. You want that
>type of stuff, go out into the private sector and earn it.

It's really a stupid idea -- yes stupid -- for Rita, Jim Keady and even Ed 
Johnson -- or anyone else for that matter -- to ask about bills on the bill 
list at the council meeting where they are to be voted on. There is no way that 
the finance department can have all the back-up documents for any question that 
might come up on the list. It should not be a surprise to anyone that there are 
no specific answers at the Council meeting.

Do these presumably well-intentioned citizens (Council included) deserve a 
detailed explanation of bills? Ab-so-f-ing-lutely!

Here's what I do, and what anyone can do. Sometime around 3pm on the Friday 
before the Wednesday Council meeting, the bill list is printed in the finance 
department. It becomes a public document and anyone can visit City Hall and 
have a look at it or get a copy of it. I've been told you can even get a copy 
off the city's web site later that same day. (You can get a copy on Monday or 
Tuesday or Wednesday or next week if you want to.)  Take it home... review it 
to your heart's content. Then contact the finance department -- in person, by 
phone or by e-mail -- and ask for the detailed back-up information about any 
and all bills you have a question about. I've never heard from a single person 
yet who said that they couldn't get detailed information on any and all bills 
when they inquired at the finance department.

OK... so let's say you still have a question or complaint about a particular 
chair that's on the bill list and you don't like the answer you got at the 
finance department... THEN you bring it to the attention of the Council at the 
Council meeting and complain. Complain about what you learned about the cell 
phone charges or the web site hosting charges for that matter. Do something 
about.

But if all one does is come to the Council meeting expecting a detailed answer 
on a specific bill on the bill list -- and you know from years of not getting 
detailed information at the Council meeting -- then I have to conclude that one 
is just asking about bills to be a grand-stander.  Or in the case of the people 
who come out once every four years and then retreat back into their hiding 
places, a candidate for City Council.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bills, cars and fools

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 12:19 PM + 4/5/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
>...perhaps pay for the business lunch with food stamps.

Silly man. Everyone knows you can't buy a business lunch with food stamps 
unless you buy that lunch from a proprietor who is willing to commit fraud 
against the Federal Government. I understand there might be a couple of those 
type of proprietors in Asbury Park. Enjoy your deli ham sandwich. ~joe



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: TCN Dan and old man rafferty

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 2:22 PM -0400 4/4/06, Lighty wrote:
>...Exactly.   Imagine all of the people from the Asbury Park area that
>currently go to Clancy's for a meal spending those bucks in downtown Asbury?
>
>There certainly is a market for it as Clancy's has shown.  Not everyone
>wants to go to a great upscale restaurant every night.  Regular restaurants
>are needed too.

There are plenty of places to go for lunch downtown in AP. Red Fusion, Taka, 
Sister Sue's, Be Green and Carmine's all serve lunch. There's a choice between 
fat or healthy, alcohol or not, and a range of prices too. So what's the 
problem? Simple. Parking. Givne 1/2 hour or 45 minutes for lunch people are 
always going to Clancy's where they know for certain they will get a parking 
space... it may be all the way down at Burger King end of the lot, but they 
will find a space to park in a parking lot that seems safer than any parking 
space one can find in Asbury Park. Lunch time visitors can not afford 15 
minutes of hunting for a parking space.

Some will say "there's parking on Lake." Others will say there's parking in the 
500 block of Cookman. Guess what... visitors to the town don't care to 
experiment. It's human nature. Show them where the parking is. Make it appear 
safe (heck it doesn't even have to BE safe) and make sure that time after time 
there is plenty of parking and they will come.

Old Man Raffertys will die for lunch too regardless of how good they are if the 
parking issues are not resolved.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: permanet tax abatements....

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 1:27 AM + 4/4/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
>Having too many government owned and other non-taxable properties
>has always been a large part of what is wrong in Asbury.
>
>Funny, it is a complaint from way back and someone brought it up to
>me on the phone this afternoon.  Now here the topic is again.

I agree. Let's tax all those government parks we have in Asbury.  That way we 
can loose the "Park" in "Asbury Park" while we're at it. Imaging the savings in 
toner and ink when we cut 40% of the name.

Seriously... we "got rid of" a lot of government owned property when we sold 
the waterfront buildings and land to a private entity. (I don't think that was 
the right thing to do.) All that's left is City Hall, the transportation 
center, the fire house, pubic maintenance yard and waste water treatment plant.

How much more... or should that be how much less... can we have?





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: another shooting in AP

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At 2:51 AM + 3/29/06, Fred wrote:
>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>
>>
>Segregation is one thing poor management is another, I can't wait to
>see their budget.

In stead of bitching about the budget, why don't you exercise some self-hlep?

The school budget was printed in Sunday's Asbury Park Press. You can come by my 
house and search through the newspaper recycle pile if you don't have -- or 
can't find -- your own copy.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain

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At 8:53 AM + 3/24/06, wernerapnj wrote:
>The selection of excluded properties certainly appears to have been
>biased.
>
>Many of the "Bergh St Properties" had recently been purchased by gay
>buyers. While other properties similarly situated on Webb St but owned
>by hetero folks were slated for taking.

Oh yeah blame it on the gays.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Biondi Bill

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At 1:35 PM + 3/18/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
>...I don't mind anonymous posters, but I do think the website should be
>responsible for saving IP addresses so that if someone crosses the
>line on libel then they can be found and held accountable.

Recording the IP address and time stamp with posts is something that is trivial 
to do. However it offers very little guarantee that one can identify the poster 
of libel.

Here's the problem. Most organizations (or homes for that matter) have one IP 
address for their connection. It may always be the same IP address or it may 
changes each time the connection is established. None the less, the IP address 
can be traced and the account holder of the account traced. BUT... and it's a 
big one. All the computers connected to that network at home or in the office 
come in on the same IP address.

So for example... in my house there are three computers connected to the 
internet. If something libelous were posted from the IP addresses assigned to 
my internet connection you would only know that the post came from my house. 
You wouldn't have a specific individual to sue. And you couldn't even make 
assumptions about who was in my house at the time the post was made.

It gets worse when we consider the work environment. Let's say a business 
employs 10 salespeople and it has a support staff of 25 additional people. 
Something libelous gets posted from one of those 35 computers. When traced 
back, the IP address points to that business. Who are you going to sue? Could 
you impound all 35 computers? And who's to say the libelous posting didn't come 
from a visitor that was allowed to plug into the companies internet connection 
while he/she was there for a meeting?

Yeah... you can record the IP address, but it doesn't help you prosecute your 
libel claim. (Unless you're MOG and you have to sign in at the library to use 
the computer then the prosecutor of a libel, defamation or bias crime or 
claim would have the name and address of the offender and could proceed with 
any remedy at law.)

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Re: [AsburyPark] Street lights & Streetscape Details

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At 1:46 PM -0500 3/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>... Even if it is, I believe that nothing is written in stone - If enough 
>people express concern about the design of the lights, the board could 
>reconsider its decision.

Did you read the posts? Only you and Rob Thoman don't like them.

>... I would only remind you that solutions to many problems came out of that  
>back row,

Name five.







 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain

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At 6:59 PM + 3/20/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>
>I agree with your sentiment, but you're wrong as to the first part.
>Once the city agreed to condemn, it is up to the courts to decide
>what is the just compensation.

I guess what I meant to say was offer a fair price to start and avoid the 
condemnation process.


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[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - bull shit

[Joe D'Andrea]

Skip...

You really shouldn't post right after lunch. Maybe if you wait a couple of 
hours you can re-read the posts and then reply  again or at least translate 
your most recent post for those of us who are not at the same consciousness 
level as yourself. 

It doesn't help that you mash two posts together without any formatting. Have a 
look at your posts in a plain e-mail reader. There are no font changes, color 
changes or indentation to let the reader know where you reference ends and your 
post begin.

~joe



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain

[Joe D'Andrea]

BTW...just because a judge says you /can/ do the appraisals this way doesn't 
mean you /have/ to do them that way. 

It is the city council that has the power to set the price and it is the city 
council that does the condemnation. 

If any member of the council had property in the redevelopment zone, you can be 
sure that the plan for condemning everything and the formula for setting the 
price would be different.

I support this council and I urge them to adjust their outlook on how 
condemnation is carried out and do the right thing.

~joe





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain

[Joe D'Andrea]

Although I don't know for fact certain that the numbers in the article are 
correct... they certainly have the ring of truth from what I've heard about 
other transactions. The "Moliver principle" is one of the dirty secrets of the 
eminent domain process for the waterfront in Asbury Park. By saying that all 
increases in homes' values is a result of the waterfront redevelopment and can 
therefore be discarded is bull shit. 




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Citizens On Patrol (COPS) Recruiting

[Joe D'Andrea]

The message that Tom forwarded to the group did not contain any links, so here 
it is:


http://www.asburypark.com/?p=141

If you've got any suggestions for our new web site, drop me a line.

~joe "omni media" dandrea, 1210 second ave


>
>Citizens On Patrol (COPS) Recruiting
>
>Posted: Saturday, March 18th, 2006
>
>Seems we've got a lot of good law enforcement and public safety news on the 
>site recently. Here's some more. Our local version of an auxiliary police 
>force, Citzens On Patrol, is looking for a few good men and women. You need to 
>apply by March 24th and there's a training academy that you have to attend.  
>READ MORE »
>
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> 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Maynard Drops Out of School Board Race

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: [AsburyPark] Re: Maynard Drops Out of School Board
Race




At 2:03 PM + 3/7/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
Really?  No opinion?  She has
been a Board of Ed member for years,
including an ex-President, and the only highlight her career gets
is
this:

"Susan Maynard has often been
involved in shouting matches with
members of the public particularly when the issue at hand is
DiSanto
or gay or lesbian issues. At one meeting Maynard stormed out of a
board meeting when she became too upset with comments from a
member
of the public."

Didn't she storm out when someone began attacking her
parenting
choices?

No.

But your observation is noted. How about I re-write that
paragraph like this:

Recently, Susan Maynard, a long-time school board member
who once served as the president of the board, has been involved in
shouting matches with members of the public particularly when the
issue at hand is DiSanto or gay or lesbian issues. At one meeting
Maynard stormed out of a board meeting when she became too upset with
comments from a member of the public.

I'll leave it up to someone else to list Mrs. Maynard's other
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[AsburyPark] Maynard Drops Out of School Board Race

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Maynard Drops Out of School Board Race

Asbury Park (03-06-2006) - A source in the Board of Education administrative 
offices has reported that Susan Maynard faxed a letter to the office late this 
afternoon requesting that her nominating petition for this April's School Board 
election be withdrawn. 

Maynard, a current school board member was one of seven candidates - including 
current School Board President Robert DiSanto - who were running for three full 
three-year terms on the nine member school board. Maynard had filed her 
nominating petition last Monday less than five minutes before the deadline. 

Last year Maynard's husband James Maynard, along with Mamie Moore, filed and 
won a law suit against the school board striking down one provision of the 
board policy on public participation at school board meetings. The lawsuit was 
the culmination of James Maynards' years-long attempt to get someone to listen 
to his claims that DiSanto was unfit to be the school board president after 
being appointed President two years ago when the board could not reach its own 
decision on who would be elected president. Later DiSanto was elected president 
by a near-unanimous vote of his fellow board members. 

Susan Maynard has often been involved in shouting matches with members of the 
public particularly when the issue at hand is DiSanto or gay or lesbian issues. 
At one meeting Maynard stormed out of a board meeting when she became too upset 
with comments from a member of the public.


 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Those are Jerry's words.

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 11:53 AM -0500 3/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>With all your wining Joe, even I cannot tell if you are bring me up or down to 
>your level.
>This is a weird way to ask me out for a date?

Let me put your mind at ease. I am not asking you out for a date. ~joe



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Those are Jerry's words.

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 10:48 AM -0500 3/5/06, traderdube wrote:
>Yeah, Joe, Jerry did say them, but worse is repeating them, as nauseum.
>
>I'll tell you what you might do to alleviate the strain on your moral
>blinders, get a  copy of Joni  Mitchell's Both Sides Now,
>take a listen and take heed.

Dennis, no one questioned Jerry's use of "white woman" and "black woman" and 
his posts that effectively called the mayor a racist. (OK.. Tom Deseno said a 
little something.) But the majority of everyone on this board -- including 
people who were there and even some people who weren't there -- let Jerry's 
comments slide unquestioned and took his report of events as fact.

Let's see you -- and Dan -- give Jerry the same advice you've each given me.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 11:49 PM + 3/4/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Jerry's white woman get?
>
>Joseph!

Those are Jerry's words.


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue

[Joe D'Andrea]

Cost was the issue two years ago when the project was presented, introduced, 
approved and built. The time to raise questions on the expenditure was then. 
Now the city will gear up to open the recreation area for the second year -- or 
is it the third? How many bites at the "it cost too much" apple does Jerry's 
white woman get? 

No, the issue today is not cost. rather the issue is the clear disconnect and 
outright hostility that was displayed by some people in the audience. Jerry's 
white woman said anyone can use the beach therefore the recreation area -- 
which by the way is a lot more than just "four hoses in the ground" --  isn't 
needed. She implies that everyone in the city should walk to their recreation 
-- a distance that could be up to one mile. I ask you, who among us is willing 
to walk a mile for anything? Jerry's white woman makes no consideration for the 
fact that to many in our community the cost to enter the beach is  money they 
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[AsburyPark] Jerry... happy now?

[Joe D'Andrea]

If Nancy wasn't at the City Council meeting then how did she get the story so 
right in today's newspaper? 


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: ".carrying on your own meeting with "that white woma n" ...

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 4:06 PM + 3/3/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>...The meetings are not vidoe taped and thus not on Cablevision. Some
>have been taped privately. However, you have to ask permission. I
>don;t think it was ever refused here. I think there was a recent
>court case that muddies the waters about whether there is an
>obligation to permit such meetings to be taped.

Indeed... our state's appeals court ruled that there is no inherent right to 
videotape pubic meetings.

http://www.rcfp.org/news/2005/1130-bct-public.html

Sorry Jerry, you'll have to actually click on the link to read it.

~j


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: ".carrying on your own meeting with "that white woma n" you adore.

[Joe D'Andrea]

I have an audio recording of the public portion of the meeting... would you 
like to hear it? You can determine for yourself whether it was three people 
clapping or the whole room except three people.  ~joe



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] setting an example for his constituency - which one?

[Joe D'Andrea]

Skip, 

Did you even read Jerry's original post on this matter? He is the one 
suggesting that people have constituencies that they should be blindly aligned 
with or set examples for, He is the one who distinguished between the two women 
he writes about as white or black. You were there... you saw it for yourself. 
They fought the battle of the Westside Recreation park two years ago. They 
lost. (It should never have been a battle anyway. The idea that anyone in the 
city would be against  the small gesture to recreation that that park is is 
ludicrous.) 

The park was built, the money was spent. Now when the CFO brings forward an 
ordinance to close out the paperwork on the transaction, they want to fight the 
fight all over again. It's no wonder the entire room erupted in laughter when 
the "white woman" was exposed for the bigot she really is. 

It's very curious that even Jerry, when he's not driving Miss Daisy, will not 
refer to her by name in his posts opting instead to give her the moniker of a 
"white woman." I guess even he fears that she'll sue him for mere mention of 
her name in an on-line message board. Fear not, Jerry, she won't sue you. The 
nameless "white woman" still needs you to drive her around for nightly 
inventory. But be careful the next time she says she already has a ride she 
may have lined up your replacement. 

~j


 
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Re: [AsburyPark] he should be setting an example for his constituency

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 9:16 PM -0500 3/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I don't usually comment on what goes on at a council meeting, but at the last 
>council meeting our mayor showed his hand when a black woman in the audience 
>went to the mike and made a derisive comment alluding to a white woman in the 
>audience and our mayor laughed and applauded her remarks.
>As an elected official, he should be setting an example for his constituency; 
>not overtly showing favoritism for one ethnic group over another.  Had Nancy 
>Shields been in the audience, the incident would have appeared in the Asbury 
>Press.
> 


Nancy was there. You'd know that if you were paying attention instead of 
carrying on your own meeting with "that white woman" you adore. Everyone in the 
room laughed except for you and your mini-meeting friends. Perhaps if "that 
white woman" hadn't carried on under her breath in a voice loud enough for 
everyone to hear, no one would have felt a need to respond to "that white 
woman." And BTW, the black woman you are referring to did not allude to 
anything she made a statement of fact quite emphatically.

Only someone like you would characterize this interaction as racial.

Now as for setting an example for one's constituency... when are you going to 
stand up for your constituency and reveal what you know about mog?



 
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[AsburyPark] exclusionary ???

[Joe D'Andrea]

How about this one:


 Domain: straightasburypark.com

 Registrant
   David DeBoer
   David Alan Enterprises
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   625 Cookman Ave. - Suite 1
   Asbury Park, New Jersey 07712 US
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[AsburyPark] Re: FYI - Gay Real Estate Web Sites

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 7:24 PM + 3/2/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
>It sounds so...exclusionary.  ;-)

Unlike http://monmouthrepublicans.blogspot.com/

Besides... if you want to join our team, go can stop by the recruiting office 
... err... I mean there's no recruiting office... err... never mind.

~joe






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Out of the cyberspace closet?

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 11:53 PM -0500 3/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>You happy now?
> 
>Man of God "leads on" as times change around him

Nice try Gerry. You still have dirt on your face. Reveal the name of MOG and 
all will be forgiven. If not, you are a traitor to your own people. ~j


 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Fire Investigation/ Kushner's Transfer

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 4:41 PM + 2/28/06, radio881gal wrote:
>...Then why are the officials allowing
>Vacarro to demolish the site? Isn't that destroying a possible crime
>scene?

Why must everything be a conspiracy theory event to you? Can you give no credit 
to our local and county officials? Do you think Henry just bulldozed past the 
yellow tape line with no regard to the authorities? Do you think Charles 
Kushner has a hotline to Henry Vaccaro and order the "hit" from prison?  Can 
you not imagine that an investigation might occur coincident with demolition? 
Is it possible that certain portions of the buildings had to be "demolished" 
before it was safe for fire inspection officials -- not to mention their dogs 
-- to enter the "premises"? You have a relationship with Henry... why don't you 
just call him instead of posting your wild speculation here? And since when do 
you give credibility to anything the Press writes?

I know you're going to respond saying that you weren't accusing anyone of 
anything and that you were just asking questions, so I want to point out to you 
all the punctuation I used in my reply to your post.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 9:21 PM + 2/27/06, wernerapnj wrote:
>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>---
>> If the plan is not to have B&Bs in the WRZ, then how come  there's no
>fewer than four B&Bs that are either under development or about to
>open -- including one who will have the resolution approving their site
>plan memorialized at tonight's Planning Board meeting. They are all in
>the WRZ. How come the  Planning Board thinks B&Bs are a good idea in ---
>the WRZ?
>--
>
>They are not in the WRZ. The new regulations are to allow them as a
>conditional use in the "infill" are. That's between (Webb/Berg and
>Grand)

Check the map Werner... you of all people know that the WRZ is divided into two 
areas. The new B&Bs are definitely in the WRZ.

~Joe

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Re: [AsburyPark] Firehouse Evacuated?

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 8:16 PM + 2/27/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>I hear that the AP firehouse was evacuated on orders of OSHA because of
>unsafe building conditions. Can anyone confirm? Do we have any land on
>which to build a new firehouse?

I heard the same story. I know about 8,000 sq ft of land that's just been 
cleared. Seriously... this is a terrible thing if true. We don't have the money 
to temporarily house the fire trucks and fire fighters let alone acquire 
property and build a new fire house. Hopefully something can be done to get 
that building back to being able to be occupied.

~joe



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic

[Joe D'Andrea]

Tom, 

If the plan is not to have B&Bs in the WRZ, then how come  there's no fewer 
than four B&Bs that are either under development or about to open -- including 
one who will have the resolution approving their site plan memorialized at 
tonight's Planning Board meeting. They are all in the WRZ. How come the  
Planning Board thinks B&Bs are a good idea in the WRZ?

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Re: [AsburyPark] It's more fun.

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 2:38 PM -0500 2/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:26:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
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>
>Do you really think that last night's fire was a one-reporter story? Silly boy.
>
>Had nothing to do with the story, maybe because of redevelopment and other 
>issues,  AP needs more than one reporter. Maybe  its better to be perceived as 
>silly than one little angry man. Food for thought.

Angry? Gerry...it's you and your cronies in the back row who are the angry 
ones. Hope Rita doesn't sue me for that.  ~Joe



 
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[AsburyPark] Belmont Atlantic useless?

[Joe D'Andrea]

If you don't think buildings such as the Bemont Atlantic Hotel have a use... 
then read this:

http://www.preservenys.org/programs/awards02.htm#American

See some pic of the "before" here:
http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel2.png
http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel1.png

And see Rachel Ray's visit here:

http://www.americanhotelny.com/publications.htm


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[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: [AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and
Atlantic




Tom,

Most people do not have a clue about the specifics of the plan
and will be shocked by the following:


Full property line buildout with 8 story buildings creating
Kingsley Alley.
Miniature sidewalks - for a new Urbanism plan that is supposed to
promote pedestrian movement, you better get used to walking single
file.
No parking for beachgoers
No parking for concert goers
Narrowing of all streets (the Ocean Grove effect)
Destruction of everything that gives the waterfront its character
with the exception of the boardwalk  properties, the berkeley
hotel and paradise

A friend of mine said it best when the plan was being voted on.
If any member of the City Council had property east of
Heck/Bergh/Grand they would not have voted to condemn all by eminent
domain.

~Joe

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Re: [AsburyPark] It's more fun.

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At 1:03 PM -0500 2/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:36:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
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>It's more fun.
>
>Did you really want to say; "It takes 2 reporters to work Nancy's beat."
>I may agree with that.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Photos of Fire - East side

[Joe D'Andrea]

One things for certain about this fire. It's not a good idea to rip up a major 
roadway and leave it unusable for months. Had Cookman Avenue been passable the 
Fire Department would have been able to get some water on the rear of the 
building. 

One thing that does not come out in most of the photos is that water from the 
ladder truck that was on the eastern side of the building rarely reached the 
fire. The water was shooting against the wind and even with all the skill the 
firefighters had and with all the water pressure they had they could just not 
battle Mother Nature. 

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[AsburyPark] Re: Belmont and Atlantic Fire

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 11:48 PM + 2/26/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
>I remember being in college and there was an exhibit by the
>architecture students being shown.  They had photos of the Belmont
>(and I think the Del Monte, too).  One of the professors said they
>studied the building specifically with refernce to the rounded ends.
>
>Maybe whatever takes its place will incorporate the same idea.

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[AsburyPark] Re: Belmont and Atlantic Fire

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 11:54 PM + 2/26/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>
>> I remember being in college and there was an exhibit by the
>> architecture students being shown.  They had photos of the Belmont
>> (and I think the Del Monte, too).  One of the professors said they
>> studied the building specifically with refernce to the rounded ends.
>>
>> Maybe whatever takes its place will incorporate the same idea.
>>
>Is that the spot that Westminister said it wanted to build a signature
>building (that's the tip of the triangle isn't it)?

Well... it's part of the block that is the Westminister triangle... not to be 
confused with the ocean front triangle... but it's not actually the "tip"


 
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[AsburyPark] Belmont and Atlantic Fire

[Joe D'Andrea]

A huge fire and the Belmont and Atlantic Hotels raged out of control for over 
an hour this afternoon as fire companies from no fewer than six neighboring 
fire departments tried to put out the blaze. The buildings are owned by Asbury 
Partners and were believed to be unoccupied at the time of the blaze. They are 
slated for demolition. 

Photos: http://www.asburypark.com/belmontfire/belmontfire.html




 
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[AsburyPark] first photos...

[Joe D'Andrea]

http://www.asburypark.com/dd_photos/belmontfire.jpg




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Westminister on Fire

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 11:06 PM + 2/26/06, Skip Bernstein wrote:
>"I heard that Wesley Grove townhouses are on fire. Anyone confirm?"
>
>I called Red Fusion, they say it was a big fire and heard it was the
>Essex and Claremont hotels.

Weird... the last place I'd think to call would be a bar.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Westminister on Fire

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At 11:06 PM + 2/26/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> At 10:55 PM + 2/26/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>> >I heard that Wesley Grove townhouses are on fire. Anyone confirm?
>> >
>>
>> no... belmont and atlantic...  photos soon...
>>
>Thanks Joe, Gerry just called and told me so as well. Fishman saving
>on demolition costs?

Could be... there was actually a moment when large chunks of the burning 
building were floating down and reaching the ground. Some even made it across 
the street to Anybody's and started a small fire in front the place. It would 
not be out of the question for that to happen again and for the Wesley Lake 
project to catch on fire. If I didn't have so many photos in my camera from a 
brithday party yesterday you'd see photos by now.

When I left there, about 15 minutes ago the fire was going as strong as ever... 
It's not over yet. Had to leave though... I'm still shivering from the cold.

~joe

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Re: [AsburyPark] Westminister on Fire

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 10:55 PM + 2/26/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>I heard that Wesley Grove townhouses are on fire. Anyone confirm?
>

no... belmont and atlantic...  photos soon...


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[AsburyPark] Re: Partners tells city to stuff it

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At 4:40 PM + 2/25/06, Fred wrote:
>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>\My sources said the City and AP Partners met for six hours on Wednesday
>and had a very productive meeting. Nobody walked away.

Isn't it possible that there are other issues that "the partners" and the city 
meet on that have nothing to do with the renegotiation of the waterfront plan 
or the negotiations around the rehabilitation of the waterfront buildings?

I know that there have been regularly scheduled infrastructure meetings and 
that each year for the past couple of years there have been marathon meetings 
around this time of year to figure out who is responsible for getting the 
beachfront up and running (i.e., how many bathroom trailers and where will they 
be put.)

There are lots of issues that have been rumored about recently... everything 
from why the infrastructure is late... to when is C-8 going to implode. I'll 
bet there's issues that we don't even know exist, yet I'll bet they get 
discussed in marathon meetings all the time.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that if there was a meeting on Wednesday, it 
had nothing to do with the city's attempt to renegotiate the rehab of the 
waterfront buildings.

~joe



 
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Taxpayers' lawsuit.... Re: [AsburyPark] Land in Limbo / Partners Say Stuff It

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 11:48 AM + 2/25/06, wernerapnj wrote:
>...May I suggest, once again, that a Taxpayers Lawsuit be the vehicle by
>which to charge into the fray. The public has been deceived, the City
>acted illegally, the developer is non-performing.

Werner, my friend, you've brought up a taxpayers' lawsuit a number of times 
over the past year and a half (maybe longer). What exactly is holding you back 
from filing that lawsuit? As it is it just sounds like a lot of hot air and 
idle threats coming from you. So I'll ask again, what's stopping you?




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: http://www.the-esperanza.com/index2.html

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 9:48 PM + 2/23/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> dan, try just the main: http://www.the-esperanza.com
>>
>tried it already. i couldn't get to it a few months ago and figured it
>wasn;t launched yet. i tried it on three computers here and nothing
>blocked. we go to porn all the time.

My sources tell me that they require you to file an amendment before they'll 
let you into the web site and the building.  And of course they'll want 
something in return for the favor. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The truth shall set you free or - reap all that you deserve

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 9:11 PM + 2/23/06, Skip Bernstein wrote:
>...Ps See Tom, I know who you are and on occasion I applaud your good works.

If you count once as "on occasion" then you are correct.


 
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Re: [AsburyPark] http://www.the-esperanza.com/index2.html

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 4:46 PM + 2/23/06, oakdorf wrote:
>take a look.
>
>Click on Building, Design, then pict 2, then double click it. Of course
>this is just a rendering


You'd think with all the thought that went into that web site they could have 
at least one non-white person pictured.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: How about AP?

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At 2:42 PM + 2/23/06, wernerapnj wrote:
>...Tommy, if you ever want to get tutored on Preservation, let me know :-
>) That is, if you can curb your personal opinions, wink, wink.

Hmmm isn't your characterization of Tommy's personal opinion needing 
curbing  just your personal opinion? Are all personal opinions off the table, 
or just Tommy's? Can one be a preservationist and still have a personal opinion?



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] City Officials needs your Guidance

[Joe D'Andrea]

Jerry... you have dirt on your face.

At 11:41 PM -0500 2/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I stopped by AP City Hall today after what was talked about last night at the 
>council meeting.
> 
>1. Why would the city officials even consider selling of some of it's park 
>land.
>Does the state have any safe guards about selling or trading green space off 
>without pubic bidding. What about the century old Brady restrictions. Who 
>really cares about R D R, not the best redeveloper in town.
> 
>2. Is anybody aware the city manager wants to buy 6 SUV's at $23,000,00 each @ 
>a total of $138,000.00. From a dealer in the Morristown area. The Fire dept 
>gets 2, police get 2, and the city engineer and building inspector each get 
>one. Would you agreed SUV's are gas guzzlers and usually are the most 
>expensive to repair than an average full size car. Was Morristown the cheapest 
>and closest place to purchase vehicles. Personally, I would shop statewide, 
>then hunt for a dealer close by to match the contract. 
>(The city manager has 2 sectaries and a public relation person. It's no rumor 
>that some city hall employees are complaining about the staff that got better 
>pay raises than others this year. Who is busy on the computer, looking for a 
>new  home. I said, tell the city manager.)
>Could some new SUV's be substituted with dealer's showroom demo's. What happen 
>to the Gas Company used vehicles sold/gave the city a for a $1.00 each.
>So for it's only a purchase order. Maybe it is the best deal? Should taxpayers 
>vote on it?
> 
>3. Should a small parcel of land on Memorial  Drive, by the train station, be 
>sold to the Highest bidder before the transit village report is presented to 
>the city? Something about a clear title problem, that works for AP this time.
> 
>4. Should the talks between the Partners and the city officials be blocked 
>from the public.
>( could not download the AP article about the meeting last night. )
> 
>5. A  lot of reporters where at the council meeting last night. The city pubic 
>relations lady could not fall over one of the reporters fast enough. I mean 
>stalk. Phony smiles. Is her gig worth $60.000.00? Remember Gail O'Reilly gig?
> 
>For the first time,last night, it looks like the ice between Loffredo & Keady 
>could be melting. Maybe the election scares will finally fade away. A good 
>thing. 
>
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[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 12:54 PM + 2/15/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>
>In a meeting last March with Aaron and Reidy, Aaron told me he bills
>half his rate and charges $175/hour. He told me in the context that
>even at this reduced rate it is like trying to get blood from a
>stone to get Fishman to pay, since it is Asbury Partners that is
>obligated to pay him.

It's funny he would say that...

Jim Aaron has no contract with Asbury Partners. (He better not!) He only has a 
contract with the city. His invoices are presented to the city and it is the 
city that must approve and pay them. The city is the entity that has an 
arrangement with Asbury Partners to reimburse it (the city) for these expenses. 
The city maintains an escrow account in which Asbury Partners is required to 
keep sufficient funds from which the city can withdraw to pay Mr. Aaron. It may 
be that either Asbury Partners is slow to replenish the funds, or it may be 
that the city is slow to ask for replenishment. In either case, if the funds 
are not in the escrow account, the city can't make the disbursement(s).

Same thing happens for payments to professionals of the Zoning and Planning 
board as well as payments for UEZ expenses. If the entity that is responsible 
for bringing the funds to the city for disbursement is lagging, the 
disbursement can't be made.

BTW... the bill list is not a list of bills that will be "paid." It is a list 
of bills that have been presented to the city requesting payment and for which 
the CFO and City Manager have audited and found to be correct. Assuming that 
the Council approves each payment on the list, it will only be paid when/if  
"the City Treasury shall permit." In other words, in Mr. Aaron's case, the 
invoice might be approved tonight because it is on the "bill list" but it won't 
be paid until sufficient funds are in the appropriate escrow account.

 


 
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[AsburyPark] JERRY... Re: Just curious

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 10:18 PM + 2/14/06, apoojo wrote:
>...> i kinda supported you, and got my head bit off by jerry, hes been
>very testy since joe laid the law down to him,

Notice Jerry never responded. I'll repeat it , since he slipped in there that 
he doesn't read every post. I'll even put his name in the subject line so he 
won't miss it. Hey... I'll even spell his name right.

At 8:43 PM -0500 2/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A good friend will tell a friend when he has dirt on his face.

Jerry... you have dirt on your face.

You know the identity of a person who bashed your own community and you won't 
say who it is. You sat by while people you allege to care about were bashed 
repeatedly and you didn't even challenge this person.

You can remove the dirt on your face by revealing the identity of the person 
I'm talking about or you will likely be a person of interest when the bias 
crimes investigators come around.

Remove the dirt from your face, Jerry.

~Joe






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Council meeting and Bills to be approved...

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 10:31 PM + 2/14/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
>...Does anyone know how much he charges the City per hour?  For what time
>period is the $52K?

Oak's blowing smoke... The bills he is referring to are less than $51K and they 
represent payments for both the Waterfront and General Attorney accounts. 
(i.e., not just "Mr. Aaron") With all the lawsuits the city has to defend 
against, we're probably getting a good deal.  



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Break those foggy rose color glasses.

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At 8:43 PM -0500 2/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A good friend will tell a friend when he has dirt on his face.

Gerry... you have dirt on your face.

You know the identity of a person who bashed your own community and you won't 
say who it is. You sat by while people you allege to care about were bashed 
repeatedly and you didn't even challenge this person.

You can remove the dirt on your face by revealing the identity of the person 
I'm talking about or you will likely be a person of interest when the bias 
crimes investigators come around.

Remove the dirt from your face, Gerry.

~Joe



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Cookman ave biz for sale

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 1:49 PM -0800 2/9/06, charlie leonard wrote:
>...--The historic department store will provide a center atrium with access to 
>both retail and residential space.--  thats from the developers site.  i think 
>your wrong, unless im miss reading something.

That's called puffery and any similarity between it and reality are purely 
coincidental.


 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Cookman ave biz - coming soon to a neighborhood near you

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At 6:43 PM -0800 2/8/06, charlie leonard wrote:
>... onces things look better down there, it would be a nice place to go for 
>your lunch hour. 


It's already a nice place to go for your lunch. There are at least six places 
to get lunch downtown every single day*. Be Green, Wish You Were Here, Aunt 
Bee's and Taka... Lunch can be had for under $10 in any of those places every 
day. Carmines and Red Fusion also serve lunch every day. I'm not sure of their 
pricing however.   ~Joe

*Everyday does not include Monday. For some reason a lot of Asbury Park seems 
to be closed on Monday. If you want lunch on Monday, you still have a tons of 
choices: Chat 'n Nibble, Franks, Diaz Rice and Beans, TJ's Pizza and all places 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Cookman ave biz for sale

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At 6:31 PM -0800 2/8/06, charlie leonard wrote:
>...but isnt it sopose to open in the middle on the inside?  with a glass 
>atrium type thing in the middle, where you could enter stores on the inside 
>too?  (like a indoor mall)

No... it never was going to be built that way, at least not for the retail 
stores. It's the residential portion of the building that will have an open 
atrium on the interior.  ~Joe



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: APP Editorial on Vision for AP

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At 6:10 PM + 2/6/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>...Well maybe not my right arm, but I would like to be there. Aaron knows
>what to do but he has not had the will to do it. That's why the City
>should have set up a separate task force made up of professionals to
>advise them as well. They couldn't pay for some of the advice they have
>been getting for free from people. I hope they see past the rhetoric
>and realize what valuable advice they have been getting from critics.

Jim Aaron is on vacation this week I think.  ~Joe


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Better Sound is Up

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At 2:16 PM + 2/5/06, dfsavgny wrote:
>...Joe, I think Maureen was being tongue-in-cheek on that post. You were
>not the only one complaining. I did several times to her during the
>show, right afterwards and the next morning and day. Maureen never led
>me to believe that she didn't believe the complaints were valid, in
>fact, she was immediately concerned about it. Her post was obviously
>an attempt at humor that was mispinterpreted.

That's why e-mail that might be misinterpreted should carry a disclaimer. 
Smilies usually suffice ;-).

Without the disclaimer, one can only read the words for what they are. 
Besides... the message from Maureen ended up in my "inbox"  before I also read 
it on the Asbury Park yahoo group. Since I had been in communication with both 
Maureen and Pete Walton over the quality of the audio (both over-the-internet 
and later-on-line) this looked like a personal reply. What should I have 
thought? While she never indicated that the complaints -- and I'd characterize 
my communications as recommendations and not complaints -- were not valid, she 
in as much said they were by her use of the word "perceived".



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Better Sound is Up

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 8:36 PM -0500 2/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Due to the unprecedented whining and gnashing of teeth directed at Asbury 
>Radio's numerous staff over the perceived-to-be-rotten transmission quality of 
>recent archived shows,

I have to question your objectivity here Maureen. If you think that the 
complaints (some from me) about the sound quality of the archived shows being 
"rotten" (your words) are merely perceived then you need to get your hearing 
checked. I've listened to the new archive of the Feb 2 program and the 
difference between it and the previously posted one is like the difference 
between night and day. There is no perception that the quality was rotten. It 
was rotten. On the previous version, the voices were virtually unintelligible 
and, for the most part, Councilman Johnson was not even audible at all. In the 
new version, everything is as crisp and as clear as it can be for this type of 
audio streaming.

(I have both files if anyone wants to hear the difference)

I thank you for doing whatever it is you did to make the quality better. But at 
the same time, you need to just own up to the fact that the archived audio 
sucked and not blame your listeners for their "perceptions."  And I apologize 
if my attempts at prodding you to raise the bar on your own program were 
thought to be "unprecedented whining and gnashing of teeth" ... that won't 
happen again.

~Joe



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] BDS in Asbury

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Of course someone will no doubt say this is some gay plot because of the 
"rainbow-colored pencil." 


 
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[AsburyPark] BlueBishop, religion and Republicans....

[Joe D'Andrea]

Will the BlueBishop, who was quick to distance himself from MOG's religious 
views likewise distance himself from President Bush's inference that same-sex 
relationships are immoral institutions that must be shielded from children and 
equating them with the lobbying scandals that have plagued his Republican Party 
in recent weeks?

For the State of the Union address:
"Many Americans, especially parents, still have deep concerns about the 
direction of our culture, and the health of our most basic institutions. They 
are concerned about unethical conduct by public officials, and discouraged by 
activist courts that try to redefine marriage," said President Bush, ethically 
tying marriage equality for same-sex couples to kick-back scandals that have 
led to the indictment of Republican House Leader Tom Delay and a senior White 
House official.

"I am encouraged by the progress the President has made in appointing judges 
'who are servants of the law' and who refuse 'to legislate from the bench,' 
marriage is a concern that cannot be left to the prerogative of the courts," 
said Family Research Council President Tony Perkins in reaction to the address.

Immediately after President Bush compared the recognition of same-sex marriage 
to Republican ethics scandals, Republican National Committee Chairman Ken 
Mehlman emailed Republican supporters in response. Mehlman urged past 
contributors to the Republican National Committee to sign a petition supporting 
the points President Bush made in his address, and to contact Congress to 
convey that support. The request was followed by a solicitation for "soft 
money" funds for the committee.

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[AsburyPark] Re: DAN THE APPRAISOR... a vexing quandary

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At 8:59 PM + 1/31/06, Skip Bernstein wrote:
>
>For a man of god, assuming that to be the meaning of your acronym,

No assumptions necessary... lookie here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/asburypark@yahoogroups.com/msg02232.html

and here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/asburypark@yahoogroups.com/msg02197.html


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - I doubt they know what they are buying

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At 8:38 PM + 1/31/06, Skip Bernstein wrote:
>"Gotcha Bad Santa. I do know. See below. You are forgiven for doubting
>my powers."
>
>Shame on me for doubting your powers, didn't know about "Hardiplank
>fiber-cement exterior siding", add it to the mountain of crap I don't
>know; is that what Wesley Grove is using? 
>I'm sticking with (for Charlie) the project is a quick buck, hit and run.

Hardiplank is one of the preferred materials for some of the folks I know who 
are rehabbing their homes. They frequently do not use it however, because it is 
so expensive. If indeed Westminister is using Hardiplank then the "quick buck, 
hit and run" theory seems not valid.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] ONCE SAW A PICTURE OF JOEY IN SPEEDOS.........BOY.....DID THAT MAKE

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I guess the library has a sale today... four message for the price of three. 


 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (abso...

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At 2:38 PM -0500 1/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>A++
> 
>Sam Harris couldn't do any better.  
>http://www.samharris.org/
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I love Sam's rendition of "Somewhere Over the Rainbow."   Make me weap.  ~j



 
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[AsburyPark] "Quesdays" Program a Hit with GLBT Community

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: "Quesdays" Program a Hit with GLBT
Community







Jim Nappi, a local Asbury Park attorney, opens the first
Quesdays program to an overflow crowd.


Asbury Park - Over 60 people, some from as far away as Scotch
Plains and Newark, packed Asbury Park's TAKA Japanese Restaurant on
the evening of Tuesday, January 24, 2006, for the inaugural Quesdays
program sponsored by the jersey shore Q spot.

The jersey shore Q spot is a program of the Jersey Shore
Community Center Project (the Project), a New Jersey nonprofit
corporation established to foster the health, well being and pride of
individuals, groups and families within Monmouth and Ocean Counties'
gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) communities. "The
Quesdays program is our regular series of workshops, seminars and
panel discussions meant to engage, educate and inform the GLBT
community about various topics that are of particular interest to us,"
said Joe D'Andrea, the program's organizer and the secretary of the
Project's Board of Trustees.

On Tuesday evening Stephen J. Hyland, an attorney from Princeton,
and Tamlyn Wilbourne, a financial planner from Red Bank, discussed
legal and financial planning issues for GLBT couples and domestic
partners. "By four o'clock Tuesday afternoon 20 people had
pre-registered on our website," said D'Andrea. "We were very
happily surprised when over 60 people showed up."

"And the attendees were both men and women representing
couples from every age bracket," added Jim Nappi, Asbury Park
attorney and Project vice chair who moderated the program.
"Responses like this convince us that our work to establish
the Q spot is well worth the effort."

Refreshments were generously donated by TAKA, Be Green and Asbury
Park Roastery, all of Asbury Park, and Knockout Graphics, also of
Asbury Park, provided graphics and printing services.

D'Andrea indicated that future programs include a February 7th
presentation by local psychiatrist and author, Martin Kantor, who will
discuss his recent book, Together Forever: The Gay Man's Guide to
Lifelong Love, and a March 14th update on HIV Prevention and Outreach
that will be moderated by Project chair and nurse practitioner,
MaryAnn Vitiello, and include presentations by local HIV counselors,
Dennis Rivera, Frank Englebert and Kelvin Roman. "We're hoping to
eventually offer three Quesdays programs a month," said
D'Andrea.

The Q spot's web site is here: http://www.jsqspot.org/



   
   
   



  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1585

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 8:50 PM + 1/25/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
>...I've
>warned the world about liberal judges that have no respect for
>private property rights and make up laws.  Liberals gave us Kelo,
>and now their pinko-commie disrespect for private property rights
>coninues at a local level with this decision.

Just because liberal pinko-commie judges say it's OK to condemn private 
property for economic development purposes doesn't mean municipalities have to. 
[condemn, that is]  ~joe



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1583

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At 11:25 PM + 1/23/06, bluebishop82 wrote:
>Dan,
>
>Where did you get the decision?  I've checked the Court's website,
>Rutgers Camden Library and Westlaw and I don't see it anywhere
>(although there was a victory for the city today in an unrelated
>tort claims case reported).

Probably the same place lots of other people got it. The Court, as you know, 
will often (always?) circulate electronic versions of their decisions to the 
parties involved in the case, as well as to the press, prior to posting on its 
web site. Considering the number of plaintiffs and defendants in this case, I'm 
surprised there aren't thousands of copies posted all over the internet by now. 
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[AsburyPark] Today is QUESDAY

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: Today is  QUESDAY




Jersey Shore Q spot -- Monmouth and Ocean counties GLBT community
center -- presents:

Legal and Financial Issues and Planning for GLBT
Couples

Whether you are in or out of a registered Domestic Partnership in
New Jersey -- or just considering getting registered -- you should
start 2006 on the right foot by getting your partnership protection in
order. The program will cover all the facts and figures about the
legal and financial issues for GLBT couples.

Presenters:
Stephen J. Hyland, an attorney and
"partner-in-charge" of the Trusts and Estate practice at
Hill Wallack, Princeton, and author of a new book, New Jersey
Domestic Partners: a Legal Guide (Rutgers University Press 2005)
and Tamlyn Wilbourne, a Financial Planner at UBS Financial
Services in Red Bank with over 20 years experience in the financial
services industry.

This presentation will be moderated by James A Nappi, an
Asbury Park attorney in private practice.

Location: TAKA Restaurant, 632 Mattison Avenue, Asbury
Park.
When: Quesday, January 24th, 2006
Time: Doors open at 7pm for social time, program begins at
7:30pm.
Cost: Suggested donation $5, refreshments provided.
RSVP: Preferred, but not required: http://www.jsqspot.org/?p=9

This program is open to the public and held in a wheel chair
accessible location.

For more information www.jsqspot.org



  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park pay-to-play ordinance faces vote tonight

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 5:14 PM + 12/21/05, bluebishop82 wrote:
>...I will be there tonight to ensure that it will be
>stopped.

I guess it will be easy, then, for Bad Santa -- who refuses to see what's right 
in front of his face -- to ascertain the identity of the BlueBishop.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park pay-to-play ordinance faces vote tonight

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park pay-to-play ordinance
faces v




 Bruno said. "They think all
politicians are
> thieves. Not all of us
are."

Shouldn't that be "none of us are"? Otherwise
the implication is that "some of us are".

If we could only identify which ones, election day would be
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Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1542

[Joe D'Andrea]

Without knowing anything more about this and not picking on Mr. Hamilton... 
there are a few other points to consider


At 2:40 PM -0500 12/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Opinion -
>My take is that it's an extremely weak case. The Feds are accusing Hamilton of 
>setting up a quid pro quo -- his driveway in exchange for contracts with the 
>city. But all they have to show, according to the indictment, is a new 
>driveway. Looks like they're all quid and no quo.

The "quo" is the promise to procure contracts. No contracts have to be 
exchanged for a crime to have been committed. Much the same way that agreeing 
to bump someone off in exchange for money is a crime. The potential assassin 
doesn't have to actually go through with the murder in order for a crime to 
have happened.


> 
>Hamilton told me, after his initial arrest, that he told the guy  - the FBI 
>plant Steffen - to leave his driveway alone. He didn't want it done. He came 
>home and the work was done.

That sounds like Assistant City Manager James Famularo's explanation for why 
his backyard deck was 20' larger then what he had a building permit for. 
Famularo told the Zoning Board -- and I'm paraphrasing -- that he ordered a 10' 
deck. Paid the contractor for a 10' deck. But when he came home from work one 
day he had a 30' deck installed. In Asbury Park such things happen with amazing 
regularity. So it's not impossible for a new driveway to appear either. But if 
such a thing happend it would be a miracle and not a crime.



> 
>Now being a home owner from the age of 22, I feel I can speak with some 
>authority on this. When I bought the house and for most of the decades I lived 
>in it, I had a crumbly, rocky pit of a deteriorated, once-asphalt driveway 
>twice the length of Hamilton's. One day in the mid-1990's these itinerant 
>Irish workers came by, offered to give me a 'new' driveway for $700, and 
>'replaced' my driveway in less than a day.

Triple your $700 price to $2100 to adjust for "intinerant Irish workers" vs. 
bonded and licensed contractors and then double it for the cost of inflation 
for then 5-9 years between your driveway and Hamilton's... The numbers are not 
as far off as you think.

 

> 
>If the FBI's CW paid a crew $5,000 to spend about as much time as mine did on 
>my driveway, those workers made out very well. (And might that raise 
>suspicions of a payoff to those workers?) A real driveway replacement where 
>the asphalt is broken up and carted off, a new base is installed and a couple 
>of layers of stone is pressed down and asphalt is poured and sealed would 
>doubtless take more than the two visits the indictment refers to. So I'd agree 
>with Dan (below) on that price sounding dubious. Unless it had to rise to a 
>certain value to be indictable.

See above.


> 
>Also, sources tell me the other accused, Vince Baker, whose testimony the case 
>seems to heavily hinge on, did 12 years in prison for selling narcotics. Now 
>Baker is interesting  (beyond the fact that his food is excellent), since 
>despite his criminal background, he has been prominent at some city functions, 
>supplying the food for a city-held gathering that I attended and speaking out 
>at at least one council meeting that I attended to verify Asbury Partners' 
>hiring of local businesses. I'm also told that last summer Baker was allowed 
>to sell food from a mobile unit to the beachgoers, which I believe requires 
>Asbury Partner's sanction.  Can someone confirm that? So it seems that Baker 
>was very eager to obtain favor with the city.


Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is an expression that comes to 
mind. Besides, you're not giving any credence to anything Asbury Partner's 
"sanctions" are you? You don't give them that much credit on a good day. Why 
give them the power to pass judgement on who they hire and don't hire. Remember 
it was Asbury Partners who hired as their Promoter  a gentleman who, it was 
reported, was found guilty of embezzlement and had outstanding fines from the 
SEC. Skip knows more about this then I do.



>Now you take Baker's criminal background and Robert "Duke" Steffen's criminal 
>background, and you've got the uncanny situation where the guy they've been 
>used to set up is cleaner than they are - despite a four year span, from the 
>sting to the indictment, during which you'd think the Feds would've kept 
>watching him pretty closely. In fact, I was told that if the government 
>couldn't make the $5,000 figure stick - if the driveway was less than $5,000 - 
>they wouldn't have gotten an indictment.
>
>
>
>Another ironic point: don't forget that it was the investigation of Robert 
>"Duke" Steffen, a one-time demolition contractor-turned FBI informant, based 
>in Ocean Township and Florida, which caused former Monmouth County Prosecutor, 
>John Kaye, to fall from grace with U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie, whose 
>office went for this indictment. Kaye sent his investigators to check out 
>

[AsburyPark] Hamilton indicted

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: Hamilton indicted




http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051213/NEWS/51213008

Ex-Asbury
Councilman, Restaurant Owner Indicted
Posted by
the Asbury Park
Press on 12/13/05
BY A. SCOTT FERGUSON
A former Asbury Park councilman and the owner of an Asbury Park
restaurant were indicted on federal charges Tuesday that they
conspired to accept bribes from a contractor who was cooperating with
the FBI.

John J. Hamilton, 55, and Vincent "Vinny'' Baker, 61, were
charged with conspiring and attempting to accept bribes from a
cooperating government witness. Hamilton also was indicted on witness
tampering charges.

Hamilton, along with 10 other Monmouth County officials, were arrested
in a far-reaching FBI sting earlier this year.

Baker, the owner of Jennie's Soul Food restaurant in Asbury Park, was
arrested Tuesday and was scheduled to make an initial appearance in
court later today.



  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] tax lien sale list updated....

[Joe D'Andrea]

as of 12/8/2005

http://www.cityofasburypark.com/ 

find the link in the NEWS section near the bottom of the home page. 



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Re: [AsburyPark] let’s put Christ back into Christmas

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 5:25 PM + 12/8/05, Skip Bernstein wrote:
>By all means let's put Christ back into Christmas; while we're at it
>let's put Marduk, Kronos, Saturn and a curious Jew who believed in
>giving and protecting the weakest among us; they say his name was Jesus. 
>
>However, while we're rewriting history, let's call Christmas Xmas,
>after all if you turn the "X" 45 % it's a dead ringer for a cross.

Great idea Skip. Maybe you can start by leaving the f-word out of your Santa 
vocabulary. Are you appearing anywhere else as Santa this year? We should 
publicize those appearances so people can avoid them.



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[AsburyPark] Only in Asbury Park....

[Joe D'Andrea]

Overheard at this past weekend's First Saturday:

Local resident goes up to gruffy guy dressed in a Santa suit and asks, "What's 
going on?"

To which Santa guy replies, in a voice loud enough for others to hear, "What 
the f - - k do you think is going on?"

Why do you think Skip... err... I mean Santa would behave this way? 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Unidentified Signs

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: [AsburyPark] Re: Unidentified
Signs




At 7:31 PM + 11/7/05, bluebishop82 wrote:
Telephone and light poles aren't owned by
the City either.  You
better check with the phone company and JCP&L on whether they
think
your signs on thier property is "legal" despite what Fred
thinks.

Do you only read what you want to read? Did you see the last
sentence of my message? You must have since you replied to it and
copied it verbatim in your reply. Please have another look
counselor.


I know in NY both mayorial candidates
recently received thousands of
summonses for posting on public property and utility
poles.

Asbury Park is not New York. See: http://tinyurl.com/ac53b


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe
D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 6:54 PM + 11/7/05, dfsavgny wrote:
> >Not if they are placed on public property such as the 35
circle
or on
> >lamp posts. BTW, placing them on such property is illegal
in
itself.
> >Not only can we get those who printed them for violation
of
election
> >laws, but for littering as well.
>
> Sorry Dan... it's another "only in Asbury Park"
situation. The
issue of political signs on public property was discussed ad
nauseum
in April in anticipation of the May Municipal Election. It was the
opinion of the City Attorney that there was no prohibition against
political signs placed on public property provided that the sign
a)
did not obstruct or interfere with the public's right of way, b)
posed no safety hazard and c) that the placing of such signs
conformed to the ordinance restricting the time such a sign is
allowed to be posted. (FYI, that's 45 days prior to and 10 days
after an election.) As far as I know there has been no change in
the
ordinance since that opinion was issued. I asked the City Attorney
by email on Saturday to clarify and he has not responded as of
yet.
>
> Having said that, telephone and light poles are generally NOT
public property.
>
> ~joe
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Unidentified Signs

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 6:54 PM + 11/7/05, dfsavgny wrote:
>Not if they are placed on public property such as the 35 circle or on
>lamp posts. BTW, placing them on such property is illegal in itself.
>Not only can we get those who printed them for violation of election
>laws, but for littering as well.

Sorry Dan... it's another "only in Asbury Park" situation. The issue of 
political signs on public property was discussed ad nauseum in April in 
anticipation of the May Municipal Election. It was the opinion of the City 
Attorney that there was no prohibition against political signs placed on public 
property provided that the sign a) did not obstruct or interfere with the 
public's right of way, b) posed no safety hazard and c) that the placing of 
such signs conformed to the ordinance restricting the time such a sign is 
allowed to be posted. (FYI, that's 45 days prior to and 10 days after an 
election.) As far as I know there has been no change in the ordinance since 
that opinion was issued. I asked the City Attorney by email on Saturday to 
clarify and he has not responded as of yet.

Having said that, telephone and light poles are generally NOT public property.

~joe





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Re: [AsburyPark] Unidentified Signs

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 5:51 PM + 11/7/05, dfsavgny wrote:
>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> look further on that site, you'll see that Bruno, Loffredo,
>Sanders and Johnson have already registered as candidates for the
>2009 municipal election. There does not appear to be a filing for a
>committee named "The Future is Here" and that would appear to be a
> > violation of NJ election law.
>
>Joe, are you saying there has to be a separate filing for the
>committee? I see that is the name of their ticket.

Just so we're clear. On Saturday morning I saw no filing on the NJ Election Law 
Enforcement Commission's website for "The Future Is Here." I did see filings 
for the individual 2009 municipal candidates: Bruno, Johnson, Loffredo and 
Sanders. Two other people -- who independently looked at the ELEC website from 
their own computers on Saturday -- confirmed that there was no entry for "The 
Future Is Here." That's why on Saturday morning I said: "There does not appear 
to be a filing for a committee named "The Future is Here" and that would appear 
to be a violation of NJ election law."

Since things aren't always what they appear to be, I took a look again this 
morning. Guess what... Now there is a filing for "The Future Is Here" on the 
ELEC website with a filing date on 10/17/2005.

Things that make you go "h"

~joe




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Re: [AsburyPark] STAGGER TERMS.... deep pockets?

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 6:52 AM -0500 11/6/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Joe,
>Thank you for your input, again.
>Jerry

I have been contacted by Jim Bruno on the issue of whether or not a candidate 
committee can spend campaign money on defeating a ballot question and he tells 
me that according to "the Election Office" the Future Is Here is "well within 
our right to spend our money" on the referendum. I have not verified this for 
myself. ~joe



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Re: [AsburyPark] STAGGER TERMS.... deep pockets?

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: Re: [AsburyPark] STAGGER TERMS deep
pockets?




At 11:46 PM -0500 11/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
APAC
supports a blue sign that
supports STAGGER TERMS.

AP|Action paid for the blue signs that bear our name and address
as required by New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission.

 
The
Future Started Here supports a
red sign that supports NO STAGGER TREMS.
  Does anybody know who
financed this campaign?

Look carefully my friend. This batch of red signs, as well as a
letter mailed to residents, are paid for "The Future IS
Here" -- note the slight variation in the name of the committee.
A review of NJ -ELEC website shows that the Bruno, Loffredo, Sanders
and Johnson committee "The Future Started Here" closed out
their 2005 campaign fund on July 15 and transferred $13,866.17 to
"new account". If you look further on that site, you'll see
that Bruno, Loffredo, Sanders and Johnson have already registered
as candidates for the 2009 municipal election. There does not
appear to be a filing for a committee named "The Future is Here"
and that would appear to be a violation of NJ election law. It would
also appear to be a violation of NJ Law for a candidate or candidate's
joint committee to spend money to promote or defeat a ballot question.
NJ statutes clearly delineate six acceptable categories of
expenditures that are allowed for candidates or candidate committees.
Aiding the passage or defeat of a ballot question is not one of
them.

 
A new
group is supporting a new
red NO STAGGER TERM
sign.
 
The sign
read STAGGER TERM = $$$
CORRUPTION
 no address, no treasurers'
name
 

Another apparent violation of election law. Sort of tells you
something about the people who are working so hard at the last minute
to attempt to defeat the will of the people to
self-determinance.







  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Who is helping who?

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 12:31 PM -0400 10/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...That is why it is important to go to as many meetings as possible to maybe 
>hear what the press does not have the space to write.

If people followed your advice to go to more meetings, Gerry, that have to hear 
you and Rita and the rest of your hate-filled bunch of clowns in the back row 
bad mouthing everything -- and I mean everything -- that anyone tries to do. 
Sooner or later she and you and the rest of the clowns will turn on everyone. 
She's already begin turning on Councilman Keady, a person she fought hard to 
elect. What magic do you hold Gerry that keeps her from turning on you? I'll 
bet she hasn't lined-up any replacement driver to chauffeur her around town or 
you'd be gone too. Do you really think no one see's the two of you driving 
around town snooping in everyone's business?

I couldn't help but notice that you didn't post this last tirade against Center 
House to the GLH list? What's the matter Gerry.. scared of the big bad muscle 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 8:49 PM + 10/3/05, bluebishop82 wrote:
> > Or why do we subsidize the airline industry? 
>
>Because they don't have a big enough commercial draw to sustain
>themselves.

Are you suggesting that we should halt the subsidy of the airlines? (it's a 
question, not an assertion.)

What about AmTrak? (Again, a question, not an assertion.)

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Re: [AsburyPark] Questions for Assembly Candidates

[Joe D'Andrea]

Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Questions for Assembly
Candidates




At 5:01 PM -0400 10/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... Since we gave them the topic areas
awhile ago, your question would have to fit one of the following
categories:  eminent domain, property taxes, political
corruption, campaign finance disclosure or housing. This
should be interesting to see what kind of input we get.

I'll bet the answers go something like this:

Eminent Domain: All four will be against it if a person's primary
residence will be taken.

Property Taxes: All four will be for lowering property
taxes.

Political Corruption: All four will be against political
corruption.

Campaign Finance Disclosure: All four will be in fave of campaign
finance disclosure.

Housing: Here's the one category of your limited categories where
they might disagree. You should ask them all about other
municipalities selling their RCA obligations to other towns,
specifically Asbury Park. I'll bet that all four have the wrong
answer. (Be sure to include your personal disclaimer on the issue of
RCA programs.)

Now if you really want to see a debate, you can ask them about
the one issue that they disagree on:  equal rights for everyone
including gays and lesbians. You can ask Kean and Coredemus how it can
be that they claim to have strong support in the gay and lesbian
community when they didn't even vote in favor of the state's domestic
partnership registration act. (Kean abstained and Coredemus voted no.)
Doherty and Reilly are advocates for equal rights for all citizens and
have made specific outreach to the gay and lesbian community including
a fund raiser this very afternoon at Club Paradise. Republicans Kean
and Coredemus' idea of reaching out to the gay community is having Tom
De Seno calling me on the phone.

Here's another question... Since Doherty and Reilly have
committed to opening their legislative office in Asbury Park once they
are elected, you can ask Kean and Coredemus if they will do the same.
Better yet... you can ask Kean why he moved his legislative office
out of Asbury Park in the first place.

~joe





  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Talking about C-8, Metro Homes & Trump

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 4:29 AM + 9/20/05, jerseyjohn99 wrote:
>I understood it, and chuckled.

Glad someone's paying attention.

>Which of the two pompous multi-millionaire liberals is AP/Action
>endorsing for governor this year?
>
>I'm following my heart this year instead of my head:
>http://www.pawlowski2005.org/

Woo-Hoo! Legalized pot smoking while driving 95 with no seat belts on, talking 
on the cell phone and shootin' stuff up! This guy sounds like just wha New 
Jersey needs. At least he's against eminent domain, except, apparently, in 
Asbury Park. (see his ISSUES page)

~joe


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[AsburyPark] Re: ATTENTION ASBURY PARTNERS

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 12:25 AM + 9/3/05, sandy wrote:
>Hey Joe, You don't know if im straight or gay, white or black or
>whatever or if im male or female.
>Now that I offended you again, I guess you'll go back to the other
>site and complain about me again. You don't know me. Grow up little
>man.

Your yahoo profile says you are a 21 year-old female. And you'd have to be 
either gay or lesbian to be a member of what you refer to as "the other site."  
Am I wrong?




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Re: [AsburyPark] ATTENTION ASBURY PARTNERS

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 9:58 PM + 9/2/05, Sharon G. Boone wrote:
>I'll bet! While the others roll their eyes at me and leer at my husband! He's 
>quite a hunk! My husband would never come there. He's homophobic and admits it!

Well if he's homophobic then it's best he doesn't come along with us. When do 
you want to go? The pool at Paradise is open during the day this weekend and 
the weather promises to be wonderful. Shall I pick you up or do you want to 
meet me there?  ~joe



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Re:(2) [AsburyPark] ATTENTION ASBURY PARTNERS

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 9:42 PM + 9/2/05, Sharon G. Boone wrote:
>Not vilifying anyone! Knew one of you would be offended though!

Oh, I see. You intentionally put a phrase in your message that you knew would 
be offensive to some people who are members of this Yahoo community. Nice one.  
~joe



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Re: [AsburyPark] ATTENTION ASBURY PARTNERS

[Joe D'Andrea]

I'll meet you at Paradise, or any "gay" club/bar anytime you want. I'll stand 
behind you at the bar and witness that they'll gladly take your money. (Your 
money is green, right?) Then you can turn around and tell me you're sorry for 
making the wild accusations you are making below.  ~joe


At 9:42 PM + 9/2/05, Sharon G. Boone wrote:
>Not vilifying anyone! Knew one of you would be offended though! You're like 
>Jews who think that the Holocaust gives you an excuse to do anything YOU want! 
>Blacks are STILL waiting to be liberated! You compare your cause with ours. I 
>think not! yours is a lifestyle, ours is a matte of race and access. You can 
>still be a white man if you want! I don't have a choice in being Black! Are 
>you tolerant? Bet if I come into the Club Paradise, by the beach, I'll be as 
>welcome as a sore thumb! No STRAIGHTS ALLOWED! Don't care if you're gay. 
>Doesn't bother me a bit! You want acceptance, Blacks want ACCESS and Equal 
>Rights, Fair Housing, Affordable housing and Education!
>
>
>Sharon Boone
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Re: [AsburyPark] ATTENTION ASBURY PARTNERS

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 9:11 PM + 9/2/05, Sharon G. Boone wrote:
>... All I can say is the Blacks will RE-TAKE their city! No Gays or Whites can 
>overcome THEM!

So now cities belong to specific races of people? Nice way to cooperate there 
Sharon... Happy to see it's still safe in your world to vilify gays!... You do 
know that your hero "sandy" is a gay person, right?




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[AsburyPark] Re: a change is gonna come

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 1:52 AM + 8/17/05, bluebishop82 wrote:
>Why should I Joe.  Gays don't vote in Asbury Park.  Your quotes to
>the AP Press today made that perfectly clear.

Nice try counselor... I'm not biting.

I can't help but notice that rather then deal with the question at hand -- why 
the 11th district republican candidates expect to seek the support of gays and 
lesbians when they did not vote in favor of DP benefits and to this day have 
not explained why -- you'd rather concentrate on the questioner.

Funny that it's frequently you who accuse others of avoiding the question at 
hand.


>--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At 8:07 PM -0400 8/16/05, traderdube wrote:
>> >http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/16/121312/900
>>
>> "In seeking re-election, we aim to reach out to all members of our
>community, including members of the gay community, and to seek their
>support."
>>
>> That is an excerpt from a joint press release by Kean and
>Corodemus. Well they can say they support gays and lesbians in their
>district. But the fact remains that neither of them voted in favor
>of the NJ Domestic Partnership bill when it was before the
>legislature last year. Maybe they can start to gain our support by
>explaining why.
>>
>> I'm sure some Republican apologist with a law degree will chime in
>here defending Sean and Steve.
>>
>> see also:
>> http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
>AID=/20050816/NEWS01/508160364/1004
>>
> > ~joe
>



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Re: [AsburyPark] a change is gonna come

[Joe D'Andrea]

At 8:07 PM -0400 8/16/05, traderdube wrote:
>http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/16/121312/900

"In seeking re-election, we aim to reach out to all members of our community, 
including members of the gay community, and to seek their support."

That is an excerpt from a joint press release by Kean and Corodemus. Well they 
can say they support gays and lesbians in their district. But the fact remains 
that neither of them voted in favor of the NJ Domestic Partnership bill when it 
was before the legislature last year. Maybe they can start to gain our support 
by explaining why.

I'm sure some Republican apologist with a law degree will chime in here 
defending Sean and Steve.

see also:
http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050816/NEWS01/508160364/1004

~joe



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[AsburyPark] Re: T-Dube's Ice Cream

[Joe D'Andrea]

>
>No kiss n' tell?

Let's just say it's a prominent, and often misunderstood,  attorney in town. 
And no, it's not Dan Jacobson. ~joe


 
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