[AsburyPark] Re: Could the city benefit by adding a blog to it's website?

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Gabrielle Obre" 
 wrote:
>
> Michael, 
> 
> My guess is Jack wasn't thinking of something like what is posted
> here. This seems to have evolved into a community of all sorts of
> discussion. Besides, there are plenty of free discussion sites that
> wouldn't cost the taxpayers anything. I am sure there are plenty of
> current costs that lots of taxpayers are not happy with.
> 
> Long Branch videotapes their council meetings. There is no reason 
that
> city docs are not available in PDF form on the city's site. It would
> cost the city less. When I got a copy of the Budget (in completely
> unaccessible form for the average person) they handed me a pack of
> paper that would have cost a decent amount to photocopy.
> 
> One of the reasons that I love the Center for Civic Responsibility 
is
> that they teach citizens to go through a checklist of areas to
> discover how open cities are with information.
> 
> A city that cares about open government would make information 
easily
> available. 
> 
> 
Actually, in Long Branch, the city refuses to video tape the 
meetings. For the last year the people at meetings have asked the 
Mayor & Council to cause Comcast to tape and view them as they are 
renegotiating the cable contract.

I have been taping them and putting them up at 
http://www.longbranch.tv myself.  For the last 4 plus years, except 
when I am out of town.  Then another volunteer has done it and gotten 
the tape to me to place on the site.  It has been at no one's cost 
but my own. (not complaining, it is my civic contribution)

Also, it is easy for me to do as I have all the equipment, the 
server, the software and I work on internet projects all day long.

Kevin Brown
www.jerseykev.com






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[AsburyPark] Re: Could the city benefit by adding a blog to it's website?

[Kevin Brown]

you can blog at http://www.asburyparknj.com - It was just set up and 
there is a category "AP Development" 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Due Process

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj"  
wrote:
>
> Last friday I appeared in court on the 19 summonses I've been 
issued. I can not afford a 
> lawyer since the proceedings against me have wiped out all my 
available money.
> 
> The Court refuses to assign a public defender stating that I should 
sell my home and hire a 
> lawyer. I was told that  "Your on your own" and will be going to 
trial without legal 
> representation.
> 
> In fact, a special "Werner Day" is gong to be scheduled where no 
other business is before 
> the court. Its my understanding that when faced with a "consequence 
of magnitude" one 
> has to be represented by counsel. 'They' obviously have other ideas.
> 
> I think 14.5 years in jail and a $38K fine is of consequence. I 
send this out in the hope that 
> someplace, somewhere there is a competent attorney or that someone 
reading this knows 
> of one that can help me.
> 
> I've been through 3 attorneys in the past 2 years, each one more 
useless than the previous.
> 
> Any leads would be appreciated.
> 
> Werner
>

I would go for the gusto on this one.

Contact The Department of Justice in Washington, DC.  Department 
of "Civil Right, Housing."  Wan Kim is the director, or was before 
the election of Obama.

Good luck.

Kevin




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[AsburyPark] Re: Oak's Ad

[Kevin Brown]

Being that your websites are starting to grow you may want to consider 
taking off my hands www.thejerseyshore.com & www.asburyparknj.com - 
make me an offer.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
 wrote:
>
> Oak on my website, one of the Google Ads that was generated was a 
> click to your website, AsburyBoardwalk.com.
> 
> How much do you pay for that?
>





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[AsburyPark] Council appointment recommendations...

[Kevin Brown]

I recommend they appoint Tom Deseno...

what say you?




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[AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
 wrote:
>
> That's because we live in the "Lite"-version of a fascist state,  
> thanks to Bush: The enabling media, the greedy corporations and a  
> neutered government, all synchronized.
> 
> On Dec 30, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote:
> 
> > I don't think the TCN is a real news paper. But the Press is a 
joke
> > and people consider it a news outlet which is disturbing. Can't 
say
> > much about the Coaster, everytime I look at it i see pretty 
vanilla,
> > PR type stories. our area is completely malnourished in terms of
> > thought provoking, taking the powers/people to task journalism. 
But
> > then again look at what is mainstream.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "traderdube"   
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Has any one of these pundits looked at the TCN? It is not a
> > newspaper. It has zero
> > > journalistic qualitities. For every ten ads there an opinion 
essay
> > by underpaid writers. This
> > > nonsense is an affront to the Caroll family and the Coaster 
which is
> > a true newspaper with
> > > real reporters and real news and real ad rates.
> > > This is a joke and should be dismissed as a joke.
> > > No offense to Dan, he should run with the publicity and kudos 
to him
> > for figuring out how to
> > > take advantage of of niche market but to compare him to other 
true
> > newspapers like the AP
> > > Press or the Coaster is blatantly wrong.
> > >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

ROFLOL...

Blaming President Bush for liberal manipulating media.  That's the 
funniest oxymoron I have ever heard...LOL

Wait, within one year, you will see how much you wish he was still 
keeping the "attack dog terrorists" at bsy.




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[AsburyPark] Happy Holidays From Rev Kev

[Kevin Brown]

I just wanted to take a moment to wish everyone a healthy, happy 
Holiday Season.

Kevin




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[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For ........

[Kevin Brown]

4Or are you [so blind as to] trifle with and presume upon and despise 
and underestimate the wealth of His kindness and forbearance and long-
suffering patience? Are you unmindful or actually ignorant [of the 
fact] that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repent ([a]to 
change your mind and inner man to accept God's will)?

The above is the amplified version of Romans 2:4

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:10:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> ... at the risk of reigniting this issue on this board, that  
> may be the greatest oversimplification of this situation I've 
seen.   
> There are always two sides to every argument and they are rarely 
as  
> simple as "the good one and the bad one"
>  
> 
>  
> I don't want to re-ignite or fight old wars either.  I did 
extensive  
> research in 2006 and 2007 and posted the results and my sources to 
this  group.  The 
> links below refer to just some of those in the archives.   In the 
main, I 
> didn't base my opposition to MSM's JSRM on perceived  misstatements 
from SUFA nor 
> on scripture which is easily misapplied.
>  
> I hope they come through wingding-less and with screwed up  
formatting.  If 
> they do, it might be easier to simply type the message  #  in the 
search box on 
> the main messages page.  For example #1 below  is message # 28804.
>  
> Again, I'm not looking for a renewed interminable game of Whack-a-
Mole  here, 
>  Just providing the info I found for those who may still be  
interested.  
>  
> 
>  
> Detailed side-by side analyses:
>  
> 1)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28804?
threaded=1&l=1  
> (contrasts 5 NJ homeless shelters)
>  
> 
> 2)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25733?
threaded=1&l=1   
> (contrasts between  mediocre MSM and top rates Homeless  Solutions)
>  
> 
> Other  significant issues:
>  
> 
> 3)  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/17353   
> (Analysis by disinterested parties)
>  
> 4)http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25274?
threaded=1&l=1  
> (tax exempts in AP)
>  
> 
> 5)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25756?
threaded=1&l=1  
> (transparency issues)
>  
> 6)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25761?
threaded=1&l=1  
> (non-profits and  disparities in homeless numbers in AP)
>  
> 7)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/25781?
threaded=1&l=1  
> (the competence issue)
>  
> 8)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28805?
threaded=1&l=1   
> (disappearing data  = no transparency)
>  
> 9)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28808?
threaded=1&l=1  
> (police: “Mission is not being truthful)
>  
> 10)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28838?
threaded=1&l=1   
> (proliferation of bogus credentials)
>  
> 11)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/28850?
threaded=1&l=1  
> ( the revolving door keeps the exploiters in business)
>  
> 12)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/29075?
threaded=1&l=1  
> (Cavalier about  not checking records.)
>  
> 13)   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/29137?
threaded=1&l=1  
> (City suffers  when the need for credentialed staff is scoffed  at)
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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[AsburyPark] Stand Up For ........

[Kevin Brown]

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy 
angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 

 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall 
separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from 
the goats: 

 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the 
left. 

 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye 
blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the 
foundation of the world: 

 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye 
gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 

 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in 
prison, and ye came unto me. 

 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we 
thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 

 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and 
clothed thee? 

 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 

 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto 
you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my 
brethren, ye have done it unto me. 

 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, 
ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his 
angels: 

 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and 
ye gave me no drink: 

 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me 
not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 

 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an 
hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, 
and did not minister unto thee? 

 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch 
as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 

 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the 
righteous into life eternal.






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[AsburyPark] "If I may" from Kevin Brown

[Kevin Brown]

I know I was not an active member of this list.  I also realize that 
many have challenged me and my credability, and that's alright.  As a 
matter of fact it's my point.

Many of us form our opinions based on issues we align with and not with 
the actual person, which in many cases is so different.

I have been out of my building for a few months now and have had plenty 
of time to contemplate life and where one lives and who they are.

I am fortunate in a way, that the very faith i possess has some 
thinking I am crazy, well it's that very faith that has kept me sane.

It does not matter who is elected in our councils, state and country if 
we remain united and focused we are the changeing force in our 
communities, our states our country.

Be united and benefit by positive change, cause when it is boiled down 
we all want the same things.  Peace, home, family, health and 
prosperity.

Let us all be the force of change no matter what one person sits on the 
throne for awhile.

God Bless you all.
God bless The Shore.
God bless America.

Kevin Brown






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[AsburyPark] The Conservative Representation - The House

[Kevin Brown]

I didn't realize this until I prepped my blog for the religious lists I 
subscribe too.

Tom I would be most interested in what you will say.

There is none!

Moderate republicans remain, yet all conservative voices in the House 
are now slienced.

I do not think this has ever occurred in the nation's history.

I think I will name the Ranch here "Goshen."

KB




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[AsburyPark] Re: Official!

[Kevin Brown]

I only have one observational comment, as for now other than taxing 
ammunition I am not going to be affected as much as urban dwellers.  I 
have decided to spend at least the next 4 years on 800 acres of good 
recreational grass lands and farm lands.

How did we get from the names, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin 
to Obama, before it being an Italian American?

If it get's that bad back there, I am subdividing some of the New 
Lighthouse Property into Ranchettes, homesteads and even building a 
historic western town complete with saloon and general store.  There 
will be special considerations made for jersey evacuees...

Don't miss out on our pre - swearing in sale!

God Bless America...

Kevin BROWN




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[AsburyPark] Eminent Vacation & Anti EDA Tour - and a woof!

[Kevin Brown]

Hello Asbury Park!  I thought someone on the board would be 
interested in hearing an update from me.  First me and my three 
mastiffs are fine and well and traveling the mid and south west.

Stopped in Bonner Springs, Kansas to see the new NASCAR track they 
built there.  Visited with my grand daughters and headed down into 
Texas to do a few dog shows.  I am in Houston after weekend in 
Lubbock.  Helping out the storm victims... There is always some thing 
to do no matter where one finds themselves.

I am also taking the opportunity to show my mastiffs in dog shows en 
route on my journey.  The case for the Broadway Building is still in 
Appealate and we shall see how that turns out.  I have had a few 
opportunities to speak out against EDA in different places where laws 
are being considered to remove private property owners from their 
property for development.  The American people are extremely 
concerned about eminent domain for private development gain!

The Presidential campaign better pick it up and a candidate needs to 
take a positive position for property rights and protection from the 
abuses we have seen in New Jersey.

I got to tell you, America is laughing at us for allowing it.  I of 
course miss home, however, this is what happens when government is 
allowed to pass laws that harm the good people under them.

I posted some new pictures I hope you are all well and enjoying your 
lives.  It is just too short to moan and groan too often.

God Bless The Jersey Shore.

Rev. Kevin Brown





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[AsburyPark] Re: bad luck building?

[Kevin Brown]

and here in is the major problem with the use (abuse) of eminent 
domain... They took the building not for a school or police station 
or a bridge, highway or hospital... they took it from one owner to 
give to another private non governmental owner, who will profit from 
it for many years...

Adding insult to injury, for less than the actual value and no where 
near the replacement value and with no consideration for the costs 
associated with the action or the relocation.

It's a simple and obvious failing of the intended use of eminent 
domain.

It needs to stop!

Rev. Kevin Brown
www.electricnews.com

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I don't know where you got your information from, but I would like 
to 
> see you validate it.  The auto parts store that was once there was 
not 
> the building owner.
> 
> As I understood it back in 1994 when we bought it.
> 
> The outright civil rights violation by Long Branch in the C 1 zone 
of 
> 1994 was a well thought out conspiracy. Unknown to me at the time, 
> people were making big plans for lower Broadway.  They were just 
> waiting till the proces went so low.  The present developer offered 
the 
> owners $10,000 in 1994.  I of course gave them what they wanted 
$40K.
> 
> All for $30,000 Katz has gone through developer hell with our 
challenge 
> and we are not done.  On Nov 27, 2007 the tide turned.  From 1994 
to 
> 11/2007 the city was ahead.  From 11/2007 until eternity they 
lose!!!  
> and lose big!
> 
> The building is not unlucky, it is blessed!
> 
> Kevin Brown
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "theshortsalepro"  
wrote:
> >
> > Years ago, before Kevin Brown purchased the building from which 
he 
> was 
> > asked to vacate, a previous owner faced with foreclosure on that 
> > building contacted me for assistance.  I seem to recall he 
operated a 
> > retail auto parts business. To guestimate the building's value, I 
was 
> > afforded a glimpse into the building's past  positioned on 
the 
> > second floor was a prizefighters' boxing ring complete with 
ringside 
> > seating.
> > 
> > That owner lost the property directly or indirectly to 
foreclosure.
> > 
> > Perhaps the new owners should burn the structure... then burn the 
> ashes 
> > twice.
> >
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: bad luck building?

[Kevin Brown]

I don't know where you got your information from, but I would like to 
see you validate it.  The auto parts store that was once there was not 
the building owner.

As I understood it back in 1994 when we bought it.

The outright civil rights violation by Long Branch in the C 1 zone of 
1994 was a well thought out conspiracy. Unknown to me at the time, 
people were making big plans for lower Broadway.  They were just 
waiting till the proces went so low.  The present developer offered the 
owners $10,000 in 1994.  I of course gave them what they wanted $40K.

All for $30,000 Katz has gone through developer hell with our challenge 
and we are not done.  On Nov 27, 2007 the tide turned.  From 1994 to 
11/2007 the city was ahead.  From 11/2007 until eternity they lose!!!  
and lose big!

The building is not unlucky, it is blessed!

Kevin Brown

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "theshortsalepro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Years ago, before Kevin Brown purchased the building from which he 
was 
> asked to vacate, a previous owner faced with foreclosure on that 
> building contacted me for assistance.  I seem to recall he operated a 
> retail auto parts business. To guestimate the building's value, I was 
> afforded a glimpse into the building's past  positioned on the 
> second floor was a prizefighters' boxing ring complete with ringside 
> seating.
> 
> That owner lost the property directly or indirectly to foreclosure.
> 
> Perhaps the new owners should burn the structure... then burn the 
ashes 
> twice.
>





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[AsburyPark] Long Branch Eminent Domain

[Kevin Brown]

Many you most likely know that I was evicted by Judge Lawson last 
Friday from my apartment in 162 Broadway.

Our appeal is working it's way through the court.  It took us all by 
surprise, because the blight report done for MTOTSA was also done on 
Broadway.  Our attorney is confident that it will fail as well.

I am looking for temporary residential housing.  I have three english 
mastiffs, so it is not going to be easy.  I need to stay in the area 
until the final determination is made by the higher court.

If anyone knows of a place I and my canine family can rent please let 
me know.

thanks

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[AsburyPark] Re: School Board Elections -- April 15th

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> With the Asbury Park Board of Education election coming up on Apri 
15th, who is running?
> 
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
>

AND WHAT IS THE DEADLINE
to file nominating petitions?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Maureen Nevin Joins the AP Press, For Sure

[Kevin Brown]

Thank God you have such a small audience.  The damage you can do is 
unbelievable, and so conflicting with the headlines you like to fish 
for.

KB

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Et tu, Maureen?  Et tu? :-)
> 
> When the Press started reporting about Cutis Sliwa and the Guardian 
> Angels coming to AP, every article was devoid of his trying this 
> before and failing here in the 1980's.  
> 
> The fact that he did is certainly news.  If not convinced of that, 
> imagine if Joe Carabetta showed up here with redevelopment plans, 
and 
> no mention was made of the 1980's.  Clearly his past failure would 
be 
> news and should be thoroughly vetted before we let him try again, 
> right?
> 
> The same should be true for Sliwa because it's more important - 
we're 
> talking violent crime and putting citizens in the way of it.  
Acutely 
> more important than what building goes where.  
> 
> None of the Press reports even mentioned Sliwa's past failure here.
> 
> I didn't just write a column about it, I gave it to the AP Press 
> first. I thought the issue too important for a small weekly like 
TCN. 
> I contacted the reporters, the editors, etc. by phone and email.  I 
> wanted them to ask questions of Sliwa about whether he was really 
> committed to making it work this time, or if he was just "headline 
> fishing" like last time.  If that's too pointed, get into why he 
> failed at least, and show both sides.
> 
> If you are new here and don't know, the folks that run the Press 
don't 
> like me.  It was my job when I used to write for TCN to keep track 
of 
> Asbury Park Press mistakes and bias and write about it.
> 
> That they don't like me isn't surmise on my part.  The Press has 
made 
> no bones about it and have told me to my face they won't cover any 
> news that gets referred by me.  If I were to cure cancer, they 
> wouldn't cover it.  Think what you will about what that says for 
> journalism and ethics on their part.
> 
> After I gave them the Sliwa material, they started one article with 
a 
> quote from him acknowledging he was here in the 1980's, but at the 
> same time he blamed the City of Asbury Park for it not working then.
> 
> So the Press felt no need to print the issue, just Sliwa's one 
> sentence dismissal of the issue.
> 
> In today's Press, in Maureen's column, Sliwa says this:
> 
> "Contrary to Sliwa's visit to Asbury Park in the '80s, when he says 
he 
> was run out on "an NJ rail," this time the city fathers "rolled out 
> the red carpet."
> 
> Horse shit.  Run out on a rail?  In the past I've called Sliwa a 
> failure in AP.  Now I'm calling him a liar.
> 
> Think about it.  How could the City fathers have "run him out?"  
You 
> don't need a license for what he does.  You don't need permission.  
> You don't need brick and mortar to work from.  You just do it.
> 
> The fact that he did set up here and the GA's were roaming the 
streets 
> here in the 1980's (for about a month) shows he didn't get "run 
out."  
> He's lying about that. He just didn't stay last time.  After he 
> grabbed the headlines, he didn't care if it worked or not.   The 
kids 
> that signed up got their asses kicked and Sliwa was gone.
> 
> There needs to be a public discussion on whether the Guardian Angel 
> format can work in a small suburban environment like Asbury Park, 
> particularly since it failed once.  It's more important now, 
because 
> the thugs don't just beat people up in Asbury Park like in the 
1980's; 
> now they shoot you dead.
> 
> The Press refuses to let the other side of the argument get any 
print 
> at all.  Just a bunch of Messiah-hero-savior tripe about Sliwa.
> 
> What do I suggest Maureen Nevin do about it?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! 
I 
> know what the Press does if you dare disagree with them.  Don Stine 
> knows what the Press does if you disagree with them.  If I recall 
> correctly, Maureen knows it too.
> 
> She just got this gig with the Press.  No way she should buck the 
> system now.  Just go with the flow, Mo.
> 
> Although I can't spread the word like the Press, I'll do my best.
> 
> Unlike everyone at the Asbury Park Press who has reported or opined 
on 
> this issue, I was an eyewitness to the events in Asbury Park in the 
> 1980's.  I know the true facts, and I know that Sliwa is lying.
> 
> I'm not saying I'd be against the GA in AP if Sliwa does it right.  
My 
> only wish is for the Press to engage in a conversation about the 
> issue. I even offered to them that I would stay out of it and say 
> nothing if they would just engage the issue (considering my 
> uncontrollable compulsion to opine, I thought it a pretty big offer 
on 
> my part :-)).  No dice from them.  So am I supposed to be silent 
now?
> 
> If some well meaning Asbury Park teenager in a GA uniform gets 
gunned 
> down thinking he can break up a drug bust - I'll hold the Press 
> accountable.  If they engage the discussion first, I won't.
>




 

[AsburyPark] Re: asburypark.com

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > I do have www.asburyparknj.com if you are interested I can give it 
to 
> > you for a reasonable price.
> > 
> > Kevin Brown
> > GuardiansByTheSea.com
> >
> 
> Thanks but no thanks.
> 
> As you know, asburypark.com is just parked now. Maybe I should offer 
> you religionstore.com I'm putting someone to work on it for major 
> makeover.
> 
> You know the biz.
>

I have

shopinasburypark.com & net
also
asburyparkvideo.com

I have a clearance sale!

storefrontwebschool.com for $250.00

Call 732.222.6224




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: asburypark.com

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> See it's registered at west21 now the site is pointing to a 
> standard "parking" site.
> 
> If you guys want to sell it, let me know.
>


I may have first right of refusal on that name I have to check the 
contract of sale.

I do have www.asburyparknj.com if you are interested I can give it to 
you for a reasonable price.

Kevin Brown
GuardiansByTheSea.com



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Monster Killing Kittens

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Debbie DeLisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> I am still extremely upset over the heartbreaking story which was 
released yesterday about the sadistic monster who has killed so many 
kittens, cats and God knows what else.  I was at the Monmouth County 
Jail yesterday with some of the poor people who had fallen prey to 
this sicko's con and given him cherished little friends who for some 
reason they could not keep or thought they were finding a good home 
for.  Even an investigator who has been caring for 3 colonies for 15 
years was almost tricked by this animal!!!
>  
> Someone had called us at Madison Marquette this week and warned us 
about a man named Anthony who was adopting cats and kittens from 
different people.  Thank God we did not fall into his scheme or I 
would be in jail myself for torture and murder of this P.O.S  I 
do not even want to call him an animal because he is not worthy of a 
name of a species I love.
>  
> Because of her lifelong experience with animals Irene Mottola was 
able to warn me of horrible human predators who might try and adopt 
one of our special Boardwalk friends. I am very lucky to have Irene 
and Gary as my friendsnot only have they made it financially 
possible to make a little difference in rescuing our unfortunate 
little orphans but they have given their heart and soul into loving 
and caring for them.  So many of you are also animal lovers and I 
want to thank you for all you do.  I am very blessed to have so many 
in my life who love and care about animals---To me this is the real 
meaning of Christmas---Giving of yourself for others.  Thank You and 
give your pets  or a friends pet or a lonely stray an extra little 
hug today---They can give you a very rare and special gift ---The 
best gift of all--Unconditional  Love!!!
>

"Amen"

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me 
how the concept of 
> Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
> I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world 
overseen by a god how 
> something like that could happen.

That's easy enough to answer.  God gave all authority over to Adam, 
the man, who was tricked by the woman, who was tricked by the snake.

So God gave it to a man - who lost it!  The world now is in the 
auspices of "The evil one."

Yet, be of good cheer, because a savior has been born on earth, and 
anew, into the hearts of those who believe.

This is a simple answer, I didn't really feel the need to get so 
complex.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

[Kevin Brown]

Coulter in Velvet!?
Now thats a traditional Christmas.

Now for the practical:

My prayer to God, and wish for all men and women of New Jersey this 
Christmas Season is simple.

That our taxes drop 75%
That Our Government shrink 80%
That Abstinance increase 75%
That Health improve 100%

With these 4 things alone it would be a better world.

Good Cheer To you all

Kevin Brown



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings - For Independents

[Kevin Brown]

Peace Out!



 
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[AsburyPark] Re:I Smell A (Big) Rat - Does it smell like chicken?

[Kevin Brown]

Dog owners who feed "raw prey" diet to their animals could help 
eliminate the invasion by these 20 pound rats.  Maybe a new industry, 
freeze dried rodent packs 5.95.  One adult mastiff can feed on it for 
4 days.

KB

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Linda Griggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> http://www.nutria.com/site14.php
> 
> *Heart Healthy 'Crock-Pot' Nutria*
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 2 hind saddle portions of nutria meat
> 1 small onion, sliced thin
> 1 tomato, cut into big wedges
> 2 potatoes, sliced thin
> 2 carrots, sliced thin
> 8 Brussels sprouts
> 1/2 cup white wine
> 1 cup water
> 2 teaspoons chopped garlic
> Salt and pepper to taste
> 1 cup demi-glace (optional)
> 
> Layer onion, tomato, potatoes, carrots and Brussels sprouts in 
crockpot. 
> Season nutria with salt, pepper and garlic, and place nutria over 
> vegetables. Add wine and water, set crockpot on low and let cook 
until 
> meat is tender (approximately 1-1/2 hours). Garnish with vegetables 
and 
> demi-glace. Makes four servings.
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[AsburyPark] Property Taxes should be declared unconstitutional

[Kevin Brown]

after all you buy the asset with monies after they have been taxed.  To 
tax what you buy with money that has already been taxed is wrong!

Death to Property tax.

Of course this would mean ending the over 600 school boards and 567 
Municipal governments.  New Jersey has more people working for the 
State than any other industry.

we need a New Jersey tea party!

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[AsburyPark] Re: Main Street Revitalized by Renovations of Old Theaters

[Kevin Brown]

How about a production company that balances out it's offerrings to 
the community.  Let's just say, on Sundays wholesome and holy things. 
Monday & Tuesday civic minded activities - Wednesday - Evil day.  
Thursday, all faiths flea market & Fridays Jewish activities and 
Saturdays a marathon of everything starting at Midnight to Midnight.

a little bit of everything.

afterall aren't we suppose to be a nation of equality.

as for your tax revenue concern, the new jersey politicians can't 
manage the taxes they get now, everyone should be spared property 
tax, let them operate on sales and income taxes and make the state 
property tax free!

KB

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
> >
> > The Barronette would make a nice contemporary church.  Livly 
worship 
> > pentecostal preaching and wonderful family oriented activities.
> > 
> > KB
> > 
> 
> 
> Actually, the Baronet would make a cool theatre.
> 
> Someone once thought a porn house would be good.
> 
> Leave what it was meant for.
> 
> On the tax roll.
> 
> There's other options for you
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Main Street Revitalized by Renovations of Old Theaters

[Kevin Brown]

The Barronette would make a nice contemporary church.  Livly worship 
pentecostal preaching and wonderful family oriented activities.

KB

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Meanwhile, theater owner Larry Fishman is letting The Baronet rot 
into
> the ground...
> 
> -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "theshortsalepro"  wrote:
> >
> > I recall a few years back a successful movie theater 
owner/manager was 
> > approached (I don't know who approached him) to renovate an 
> > underperforming/derelict theater in AP to restore it to its 
original 
> > stature.
> > 
> > The catch?  He would have to build, open and manage a movie 
theater in 
> > Niagra Falls, NY.
> > 
> > Netflix, Blockbuster, etc. has challenged the industry.
> >
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Is the Market Street Mission Location For sale?

[Kevin Brown]

Does anyone know?

kb



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Third Circuit Wrestles With Zoning Laws & City's Desire for Development

[Kevin Brown]

Actually Dan you are wrong in this matter.

.1 is for other than the normal liquor license holders, that covers a 
seperate category within all classes of liquor lisences.

In any event Long Branch C -1 Commercial Zone violated our 
constitutional rights.

I would imagine if the zoning laws violated us and the Federal Court 
reserved on the Redevelopment Plan, and now that the senate committee 
decided not to carry forward reforms at this time, the NJ Supreme 
Court will give us the second part of our victory striking down the 
plan of lower Broadway, for it's unconstitutional handling of 
assembly for religious purposes.  No matter what the liquor 
restrictions are, we were there first, and there is no beating down 
the city hall doors to open a club or bar or the like in the Katz 
area.

Anyway I am opening the store as a social club first thing December 
1, 2007.

Pets are welcome.

I will also be broadcasting the electric news from the electric news 
room downstairs as well.

Peace Out!



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Third Circuit Wrestles With Zoning Laws & City's Desire for Development

[Kevin Brown]

well than the court got ir wrong,cause they cite 1-76 not 76.1

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
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> > Dan with all due respects you need to read NJSA 33:1-76
> > 
> > KB
> 
> With all due respect I think you mean NJSA 33:1-76.1 which modified
> NJSA 33:1-76 in 1965.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Third Circuit Wrestles With Zoning Laws & City's Desire for Development

[Kevin Brown]

defussed = to make un fussy, Like is "Fussy wassy  was a bear, ...

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Mario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny"  wrote:
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> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" jerseykev@ wrote:  
> Easily defussed...
> 
> > You or no private entity has the right to waive what is in fact a
> public law.
> 
> 
> 
> What's "defussed" mean?
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Third Circuit Wrestles With Zoning Laws & City's Desire for Development

[Kevin Brown]

Dan with all due respects you need to read NJSA 33:1-76

KB

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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
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> > Easily defussed...
> > 
> > The Lighthouse Board of Trustees & Directors met this morning and 
> > will sanction a Binding Corporate Resolution to "waive" it's rights 
> > to hinder Liquor Licenses in the Broadway Development Zone.  
Allowing 
> > all the liquor licenses the City desires even right next store to 
the 
> > church owned building.  The Rev. Brown is so confident that he is 
> > planning on opening for church services right before Christmas.
> 
> You or no private entity has the right to waive what is in fact a
> public law.
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Third Circuit Wrestles With Zoning Laws & City's Desire for Development

[Kevin Brown]

Easily defussed...

The Lighthouse Board of Trustees & Directors met this morning and 
will sanction a Binding Corporate Resolution to "waive" it's rights 
to hinder Liquor Licenses in the Broadway Development Zone.  Allowing 
all the liquor licenses the City desires even right next store to the 
church owned building.  The Rev. Brown is so confident that he is 
planning on opening for church services right before Christmas.

The arguement which pursuaded only 2 of the three circuit court 
Judges in the decision, was the Cty's concern, that the power it 
would be giving the church to deny liquor licenses was power they did 
not constitutionally have.  

It was the only reason the Federal court favored the city's economic 
development plan over the religious rights of a church, who had it's 
religious civil rights violated from 1995 to the present, more than 
12 years.  The Panel also remanded the matter back to the district 
for the sole purposes of determining damages.  The church demand for 
damages was originally $ 18,777,777.00.  A jury trial could be 
conviened as early as Spring 2008.

The same panel agreed unanimously, that Long Branch's C - 1 Zone was 
illegal and violated the constituion and RLUIPA!

The move on the part of the church board, to profer a "Binding" 
corporate resolution to waive their right to object, is provided for 
in the State Statute, 33:1-76.  The Binding resolution was not a 
matter before the Panel, and could turn the entire controversy on 
it's merits in favor of the victim's of the Lighthouse Mission, in as 
much as the City has already been found guilty of civil rights 
violations.

The Binding corporate resolution, shows the church is very supportive 
of the economic revitalization of lower Broadway.  Interesting foot 
note, Rev. Kevin Brown, prior to becomeing a minister, owned and 
operated a retail liquor store in Brooklyn, New York.  On December 
11, 1981 a drunk driver struck and killed his mother on Coney Island 
Avenue, Brooklyn.  Brown walked away from the store immediately after 
her death.

Brown is joined in his eminent domain case by a retail liquor store 
owner at 141 Broadway, and a medical doctor, all three desire to 
remain in the development zone.

In the meantime the city is forgeing forward to attempt to take using 
State eminent domain.  Which means Judge Lawson will have a 
constituional issue before him on this matter. 

For now, The Lighthouse Mission and it's founder, Rev. Kevin Brown, 
are pleased that the negetive cloud placed above them by Adam 
Schnieder's Council and Administration, as they violated their 
religious liberty has been "blown" away by the panel of circuit court 
Judges, and he is enjoying clear skies for the first time in over a 
decade.

(portion of overall)

God Bless

Kevin




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> 
> The Third Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals issued a lengthy opinion
> <http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/061319p.pdf>  today regarding 
a
> challenge under RLUIPA. The Court ruled that an initial Long 
Branch, NJ
> land use ordinance did in fact violate RLUIPA's requirement that
> religious assemblies be treated on "equal terms" with non-religious
> assemblies.
> 
> An intervening development plan focused on building an economic 
center,
> however, does not violate RLUIPA.
> 
> The panel agreed with the city 2-1 that:
> ...churches are by their nature not likely to foster the kind of
> extended-hours traffic and synergetic spending it wishes to foster 
in
> the Broadway Corridor and that churches are different from the 
allowed
> secular assemblies because, by operation of a New Jersey statute
> prohibiting the issuance of liquor licenses in the vicinity of 
houses of
> worship, permitting churches into the Broadway Corridor would 
hinder the
> development of the kind of modern entertainment-oriented district 
that
> Long Branch envisages.
> ...
> It would be very difficult for Long Branch to create the kind of
> entertainment area envisaged by the Plan – one full of restaurants,
> bars, and clubs – if sizeable areas of the Broadway Corridor were
> not available for the issuance of liquor licenses. Lighthouse 
Mission is
> not entitled to any injunction for the earlier ordinance's 
violation,
> but is eligible for compensatory damages and attorney's fees 
covering
> the period of time it was in effect during the Mission's 
application.
> Blog from the Capital: Third Circuit Wrestles With Zoning Laws, 
City's
> Desire to Spur Economic Development
> <http://www.bjconline.org/cgi-
bin/2007/11/third_circuit_wrestles_with_zo\
> .html> Click on "lengthy opinion" for the lengthy opinion.
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Lighthouse V Long Branch - Federal Circuit Appeals Court rules

[Kevin Brown]

Oh and to those of you who have questioned our legitimacy.

Happy Holidays

The Reverend Kevin Brown
The Lighthouse Mission
162 Broadway
Long Branch, NJ 07740



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Thanksgiving!

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> To all my Yahoo! Asbury Park group friends, I wish you a safe and 
happy Thanksgiving!
> Jack
>

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.

I took my 6 month old Mastiff to Philadelphia for the Purina National 
Dog Show, I entered her in the Penn Treaty where she won three 
ribbons and in the Greater Philly KC where she one a fourth for Best 
Mastiff Puppy.  It was a great experience.

Baby Independence of Long Branch is named after the abandoned new 
born little girl that was found in the trash can of the LB Third Av 
Station July 4, 2005!

Just my way of keeping her memory alive!

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Condemnation Complaint - Eminent Domain Case To Heat Up

[Kevin Brown]

After 13 years at 162 Broadway and 3 before it at 159 Broadway in 
Long Branch, it looks like the final battle between The City and The 
Lighthouse Mission will be under way shortly.

"No matter what can be said about Kevin Brown, good, bad or 
indifferent, he was always there when someone truly needed 
assistance." "One day, the City will realise they lost a true and 
faithful activist."

The preacher came to town in the early part of 1990's, setting up an 
outreach ministry on the most depressed block in the business 
district of town.  Encouragement, prayer, soup and meals became his 
weapons as he battled against poverty.  His success was a thing to 
watch, as he rose in notierity and pessistence.

Always the pioneer, he openned the first freelunch program downtown 
in 1991 and then purchased an unused 10,000 square foot building in 
1994.  Between 1992 and 1996 he was a hero to many, then a political 
shift took place in the town of 30,000 which was sufferring since the 
fire at the pier less than a few short years before his arrival to 
the economically troubled town.

Some say, his interest in developing social programs for needy people 
who fell between the cracks, was the inspiration to attempt to 
redevelop lower Broadway and the beach area.  Which at that time was 
a nesting ground for down and outters.  Some say he was just a 
trouble maker.

Either way, he remained faithful to his vision of simply helping and 
fighting for the rights of those who had no voice, in a city plagued 
with political waring powers.

Some where along the way Brown became caught between the two 
political forces and suffered for it.  In 1992 the eminent domain 
laws were amended which allowed cities to use the power of 
condemnation more liberally.  The US Supreme Court's ruling on "Kelo 
v New London' in part affirmed the heavy handed tactic.

Brown's last 6 years has been supportive of those caught in Eminent 
Domain Abuse.  Traveling to Trenton with small groups of people to 
bring the message to the legislator, he became the pastor of the 
condemned.   Now he is one of the condemned, but will Reverend "Stone 
Cold" Brown come through his own condemnation, or will Long Branch 
push him out as well.

The City filed it's complaint to excercise eminent domain in early 
October, a negotiation for the forced sale of the mission's building 
is scheduled for mid November, 5 full years since the same action 
caused Mr. Bruce Mac Cloud to become homeless.

Brown has been quiet these last few weeks, having very little to say 
about the final episode of his ministry on the Jersey Shore.  Yet as 
we spoke to him, there was a little light in the corner of his eye, 
and a small smile on his lips, as he simply said; "If God is done 
with me here, so be it."

njeminentdomainabuse.com



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: a political rant

[Kevin Brown]

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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube  wrote:
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> > Is anybody else sick to death of the complete and utter bullshit 
being 
> > heaped upon America this election season?
> >
> 
> Vote for John Edwards!
>

Mars is looking pretty good to me.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: a political rant - with my slant!

[Kevin Brown]

If I was as strange as some think, I would start building a space 
ship and selected 2 of every kind of animal, 2 of every kind of plant 
and two breeding females (human of course) and learning how to 
seperate my fingers in a vulcan symbol and saying to New 
Jerseans; "Live long and prosper..." then I would "push the button" 
and off into space we would go...  of course i would leave my collar 
on the steps of the State House as a sign of my repulse!



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Is anybody else sick to death of the complete and utter bullshit 
being 
> heaped upon America this election season?
> 
> Here along the Jersey shore the assembly and senate have become 
> increasingly ugly. For instance, we have two woman running for 
senator.
> For all intents and purposes they are both extraordinary 
candidates. 
> Very sharp, hard working, and ethical woman. I really can't decide 
who 
> to vote for
> so I have made a point of reading up on them and trying to catch 
their 
> debates on ye olde boob toob. For those of you who don't know, NJ 
sets 
> the standard for political corruption. Along with corruption, we in 
> Monmouth County are now facing the closure of Fort Monmouth.
> 
> The closure of Fort Monmouth, 90 years old this year. The main 
defensive 
> and offensive facility to protect NY harbor, Fort Monmouth was 
> instrumental in our winning WWII. Radar and  the walkie Talkie were 
both 
> developed  at the fort. In fact, after the war, Bell Labs emerged  
from 
> fort personnel and our phone system was developed by these  
electronic 
> engineers.  When the BRAC Commission voted to  close the fort, 
CECOM, 
> the communications team at the the fort , were working on  a means 
of  
> detonating roadside bombs so that our soldiers in Iraq wouldn't die 
from 
> these incessant roadside bombings. Evidently, due to a  multitude 
of 
> reasons, one which was simply a reaction to the loss of jobs and 
the 
> impending decision to move to wherever they decide to relocate the 
fort. 
> Well, it's 2+ years after the decision and it has come out that the 
750 
> million dollars needed to close the fort is more like 1.5 billion. 
This 
> is not a slight error on a calculator. This is outright corruption 
at 
> the highest level. The 2 leaders of the BRAC Commission both had 
ties in 
> Maryland where a large chunk of the forts mission is supposed to 
> relocate to.
> 
> So, you would think that 2 state senate candidates would be hot to 
trot 
> over this issue. No way, instead the girls are sniping at one 
another 
> over traffic tickets and other seemingly mindless BS that means 
nothing. 
> One of the candidates has already spent 4 million dollars on her 
> campaign, most it toward mud slinging ads at her opponent.
> 
> How about last weeks Democratic debate and the furor over Hillary. 
Here 
> is a headline from today's NY Times:
> "OP-ED COLUMNIST
> Prostates and Prejudices
> By PAUL KRUGMAN
> Rudy Giuliani has a habit of saying things that are demonstrably 
untrue. 
> And the American people have a right to know that."
> 
> Now, no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, it 
is 
> plain as daylight that you could take out Rudy and insert Hillary.
> To think that these two are the front runners to succeed our 
president 
> is mind boggling. That these two can not utter the truth no matter 
what 
> is maddening.
> They will say whatever they have to in order to win the presidency. 
But 
> that is not the issue. The issue is that nobody seems to care. 
Let 'em 
> lie, let 'em cheat, let 'em steal.
> It's as if that has become the American Way. In the wake of  Bush 
and 
> Clinton, somebody needs to rise above this bullshit that is 
suffocating 
> The American Way of Life.
> 
> The 2 key issues facing our nation are terrorism and corruption. 
The war 
> being waged by the DOD against terrorism is so rife with corruption 
that 
> America stands no chance on winning either battle. That not one 
> candidate, from the locals to the nationals is standing up to this 
> challenge is evidence that we are in deep shit, er, make that deep 
> bullshit.
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: FBI's Monmouth County Corruption Targets

[Kevin Brown]

Where is Jack Westlake in that list?  Monmouth County Tax commissioner 
busted for tax evation and political corruption with former senator 
Lynch

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> Alphabetical list from Holmdel's  "Independent":
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>  
> _Click  here: From Abate to Zambrano: The FBI's recent Monmouth 
County 
> corruption  targets_ 
> (http://independent.gmnews.com/news/2007/1031/Front_Page/034.html)  
>  
>  
> 
> 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 11th District Assembly Candidates Debate.

[Kevin Brown]

and the gossip just gets thicker and thicker...



 
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[AsburyPark] The Funding Issue Is The Stronger Issue, anyway

[Kevin Brown]

I think the funding issue is the better retribution anyway.

If Asbury Park does not want to take in outside people, it should not 
take outside DOLLARS!

I will be in Trenton during the week seeing just how valid an 
arguement this may be.

There are 8 million people who are looking for ways to lower taxes.  
Funding towns that have not been able to fund themselves while they 
have assets like the beachfront to establish is something thatneeds 
to change.

Asbury has Stand Up For Asbury & Bruce, you guys should be funding 
the 7,983,000 of us.

"Laughter is a merry medicine."

"For every action there is a reaction"





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: THE PATHOLOGY OF THE VIDEO GAME MARIO THE PLUMBER

[Kevin Brown]

Tommy DeSeno, Esq - appointed to Asbury park City work say's;
"By the way, I don't see any Mosques in Long Branch."

How is this my doing.  I am just a little guy, in my town.  I am not 
an elected official, nor an appointed official, I am not a political 
hack lawyer either.

I am just the guy who has to explain to those people who are abused 
by government, "why God has let this happen?"

You, Tom are part of the problem politically, I am just the guy who 
has to attempt to clean up after the poliafia.

My suggestion of selling the JSRM to a Brooklyn or Queens Mosque was 
not a threat, it was a suggestion.  The "Respect For Life" storefront 
of Minister John does not qualify as a Muslim Mid Eastern Moasque.



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[AsburyPark] THE PATHOLOGY OF THE VIDEO GAME MARIO THE PLUMBER

[Kevin Brown]

This is about the most pathetic bit of logic I ever heard.

Law,my *&^*

The zoning board, cowardly succumb to the private rants of a gay 
funded campaign to thwart a bible based social service, because their 
view on homosexuality was different then theirs.

The zoning board, knew SUFA was funded and controlled votes in 
asbury.  The mission was largely out of towners, representing no 
voting substance within asbury.

The zoners are appointed political hacks!

To try to make this a treatese on a "legal issue" is the fool in the 
parade!

The gay movement in New Jersey is now become the very thing they 
cried for help from.  Facists, bigots and violent opponents!  Be not 
surprised or awed or shocked.  They are part of the leftist lunacy 
that is disrupting peaceful television audiences, college auditoriums 
and the like, with unruly shouts about 9/11 and their battle cry 
is "Don't tazz me bro."

This is pathetic.

I am advising not to fight to remain in Asbury park for the JSRM.
I have some new thoughts on the matter.

I think Asbury should be left alone to manage their own homeless 
problem, I also believe they should be mandated to manage themselves 
fiscally as well.  No more state, county or federal subsidies.  Throw 
them off the State bail out and hand out funds list.  Let the gangs 
move in and control the city.

Also as for the property.  I would sell it to a Brooklyn or Queens 
Muslim group to bring a Mosque into Asbury Park.

The later will most definitely balance out the former!





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
>  
> In a message dated 10/27/2007 11:13:50 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> I  think someone needs to buy mario a dictionary. Stand up for 
Asbury and  
> "magnanimity" can't possibly be in the same post
> 
> 
>  
> Sarcasm seems to be the last refuge after 2 1/2  years of agonizing 
> deliberation and debate don't turn out the way some folks  wanted.
>  
> The vote was neither misanthropic  nor cavalier regarding the 
plight of our 
> homeless.  The vote was  about some rather esoteric legal 
questions: "Who's in 
> charge here?"
>  
> There was not one iota of mean-spiritedness in  each of the zoning 
board 
> members comments prior to their votes.  Were you  there to hear 
them?
>  
> And that same spirit carried over to Paul's  outreach, on behalf of 
SUFA, to 
> the whole community.
>  
>  
>  
> "Magnanimous" suits all their  sentiments: eschewing resentment or 
revenge; 
> unselfish.
>  
>  
> Now, try looking up "demonizing," "ad hominem, and  "false-choice 
fallacy"  
> in your dictionary.
>  
> In a message dated 10/27/2007 11:13:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> I  think someone needs to buy mario a dictionary. Stand up for 
Asbury
> and  "magnanimity" can't possibly be in the same post
> 
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  
> MarioAPNJ@,  Ma
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated  10/26/2007 1:23:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight 
Time, 
> > vailpj@  writes:
> > 
> > This victory is an important milestone in our  struggle to bring
> hope and 
> > opportunity to the residents of Asbury  Park and to improve our 
> > quality of life much remains to be done  to ensure that 
> > Asbury's neediest reap the benefits of these new  opportunities. A
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "In victory,  magnanimity. 
> > 
> > Thanks Paul.
> 
>  
> Cordiali  saluti,
> 
> Mario
> 
> 
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[AsburyPark] Just a Reminder of how Asbury Park Handles their Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

A middle aged woman homeless and hungry wandered through an unlocked 
and open door at city hall there.

To was in a public place sitting on a couch and noticed an uneaten bit 
of food, she ate it.

They threw her in jail.

Good going.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Would web cams help?

[Kevin Brown]

Gather the cost to erect a pole and mount one camera in the park.  Get 
a few people to offer to donate that cost and see if the city would 
jump at the opportunity to test it out there.  It would make for a good 
private public partnership.

KB

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> If we can't wait for the city to install cameras, would web cams help?
> 
> Apart from the technical issues, there are the safety issues.  
> 
> If the footage is used in court, and there's a revolving door on
> prison, could the criminal figure out which house had the camera and
> come back for revenge?
> 
> Still, a ring of web cams and signs in the park saying, "This park is
> protected by video surveillance through Neighborhood Watch"
> 
> Could it help?
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here's the beginnings of my plan;
> 1) Contact Jim Keady. He already has a voice mail waiting for him 
tomorrow morning.
> 2) Meet with the mayor to discuss the situation. I may ask some of 
you to accompany me.
> 3) If it comes down to money, I am going to visit Madison 
Marquette, talk to them about 
> the situation, and see if they'd be willing to donate some money, 
or lighting for the park.
> 
> This whole plan may be a long shot. The PD is now aware of the 
problem. If I face 
> difficulties, I'll contact News 12 etc. and see if I can get them 
to do a story. 
> I'd love to hear any ideas that will help with this. 
> I'm going to get started with this tomorrow, with my phone call to 
the Mayor.
> I also sent an email to Reidy last Friday. Hopefully he'll respond 
as well.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple"  
wrote:
> >
> > Sign me up Jack.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I truly believe that we can use this cause as a wake up call on 
> > many levels. Who knows, 
> > > maybe saving one small park can have a broader effect if we can 
do 
> > it right. Who's with 
> > > me?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Heather"  
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the 
> > street from the
> > > > > park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church 
> > function the
> > > > > congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I 
feel 
> > safe
> > > > > going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around 
> > Christmas when
> > > > > there are a lot of night services, many members walk 
together 
> > in groups
> > > > > back to their cars because they are concerned about crime 
in 
> > the
> > > > > neighborhood.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > And the soup kitchen Trinity runs attracts some beauties.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Jack - This is just a suggestion - In addition to makeing it known 
what you do not wish to see th eparl used for, why not develop a 
series of community benfitting uses for the park.  If the park gets a 
positive name, the negitives will move away from it.

Maybe some regular uses for pet activities, organized walks, fenced 
area for offleash activity, a local mutt show in the evenings.  After 
work walks, etc etc etc.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Please visit the photo section to see photos I've what I've found, 
and reported on today.
>

You go Jack!!!

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Four Ballot Questions on Nov. 6th

[Kevin Brown]

Democrat Chairman demostrates why the insane word needs to be removed 
from the statutes.

Anyone other than a democrat could sue and disqualify all democrats 
votes, and allow me to tell you why.

1 - They are asking you to vote yes to approve a tax to reimburse you 
of another tax.

2 - They want to borrow 650 Million dollars for non essential 
research and more land grabbing, while they are forcasting a 3 
Billion dollar defeceit.

If thats not insane, than what is?

The 4 questions on the ballot are the platform of the Democratic 
Party for New Jersey.

The sane thing to do is give Independents and Republicans your vote 
on November 6, with a democrat as Governor of NJ this is wisest 
move.  It would balance the last 2 years of Corzine term, and give 
him the opportunity to finish the term completing his promises.

I would however emove him from all motocades, strip away his driving 
privledges, and give him a free bus & rail pass.  This way he will 
not injur himself anymore speedy along New Jersey Roads and highways.

Thank you very much

KEVIN BROWN



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Ballot Questions
> 
> New Jersey voters will decide four public questions during this 
November's election _ the most submitted to voters by the state since 
1995.
> 
> Voters will be asked whether to:
> 
> - Permanently dedicate all money earned from last year's sales tax 
increase to property tax relief.
> 
> - Approve borrowing $450 million for stem cell research.
> 
> - Approve borrowing $200 million for open space preservation.
> 
> - Revise language outlining when voting rights can be denied by 
deleting from the state Constitution the phrase "idiot or insane 
person" and replacing it with the phrase "person who has been 
adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction to lack the capacity 
to understand the act of voting."
> 
> Vote YES on all four!
> 
> Michael Brim
> Chairman, Asbury Park Democratic
> Executive Committee
> 
> Michael W. Brim
> 321 Sunset Ave. 5F
> Asbury Park NJ 07712
> Cell: 732-996-8160
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[AsburyPark] Re: Ballot Question #3

[Kevin Brown]

You wanna see open space, drive west on route 70 from Lakewood to 
route 206.  They want to keep these acres free from development at 
the cost of increasing urban development.  Long Branch and Asbury 
will be built out before Newark, Trenton & Jersey City at the rate 
development is going.  Question three will facilitate this agenda!  
Vote No on all questions.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, kerry butch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> PRESS RELEASE
>
>   For Immediate Release:
>  
>   Contact:  
>   October 18, 2007
> Jeff Tittel, Sierra Club, 609-558-9100
>   Dave Pringle, NJ Environment Federation, 732-996-4288
>   Joanna Wolaver, NJ Audubon Society, 609-712-3622
>   Alison Mitchell, NJ Conservation Foundation, 908-234-1225
>   Ed Wengryn, NJ Farm Bureau, 609-393-7163
>
>   Open Space Advocates Expose Falsehoods about Question #3,
>   Condemn Bogota Mayor Steve Lonegan's Radio Ads
>
>   Trenton , NJ - The passage of Ballot Question #3 is the most 
important issue facing the voters in this year's election.  Without 
Question #3, we will run out of money to preserve open space, 
farmland and historic properties, build new parks and playgrounds for 
our children, and voluntarily buy out flood-prone properties.  
Despite the important of this issue for the future of New Jersey , 
there are those who will distort, and even lie, about this ballot 
question.  We are all here today to set the record straight on Ballot 
Question #3 and what it means for New Jersey .
>
>   The Keep It Green coalition has learned that Bogota , New 
Jersey , Mayor Steve Lonegan and "Americans for Prosperity" are 
campaigning against question #3, the $200 million open space, 
farmland and historic preservation question on this November's 
ballot. 
>
>   "Halloween has come early.  Steve Lonegan is trying to trick the 
voters with deliberate lies and falsehoods," said Jeff Tittel, 
Director of the New Jersey Sierra Club.  "The only thing that's 
scarier than Steve Lonegan's lies is New Jersey losing its open space 
and farmland programs."
>
>   The advocates released a fact sheet (attached) exposing and 
debunking the myths and untruths Lonegan has been spreading about 
question #3 including that it will increase taxes, bring high density 
housing to New Jersey towns, and force homeowners to lose their 
property to eminent domain. In fact, a yes vote on #3 will prevent 
overdevelopment, save our threatened open spaces and farmland, and 
create playgrounds, green spaces and urban parks for our children. It 
in no way will authorize the use of eminent domain by the state 
taxes – on the contrary, the state legislature has specifically 
prohibited use of funds that will be made available from the approval 
of question # 3 for eminent domain by the state.
>
>   "The GSPT has been recognized as not only the largest land 
preservation program in the nation but also the most successful," 
said Assemblyman John F. McKeon, a primary bill sponsor.  "Supporting 
Ballot question #3 will ensure that New Jersey 's land preservation 
efforts will continue uninterrupted. The Blue Acres component allows 
willing sellers to voluntarily sell their properties for permanent 
preservation while avoiding future insurance costs and economic 
hardships. Anyone claiming the contrary is irresponsible and typical 
of the extreme right wing antics."
>
>
>
>   "Lonegan's ads and statements are uninformed at best and 
knowingly false at worst," said David Pringle of the NJ Environmental 
Federation. "While that might work in a state less educated, less 
environmental conscious, and filled with more ideological zealots 
than New Jersey, someone positioning himself to run for Governor 
should know better, but perhaps his thoughts are elsewhere." 
>
>   "To say a yes vote on question #3 is a vote for eminent domain is 
nothing more than a cheap scare tactic. The history of the state 
preservation programs demonstrates that the state as the buyer is 
providing fair value to willing sellers. The passage of public 
question #3 will ensure that those market-based and fair transactions 
can continue," said Ed Wengryn of New Jersey Farm Bureau. 
>
>   "We've already seen the tremendous benefits these preservation 
programs bring to New Jersey 's environment and its people, including 
tax stabilization. So we don't need to worry about what will happen 
if we pass Question # 3 - we need to worry about what will happen if 
we don't," said Alison Mitchell of New Jersey Conservation 
Foundation. 
>
>   " New Jersey loses over 40 acres each day to development making 
our remaining open spaces a precious asset. We must protect and 
preserve our remaining natural and historic resources to insure 
future generations can enjoy a high quality of life. I am confident 
that voters will overwhelmingly approve this question, just as they 
have approved similar measures dating back to 1961," said State 
Senator L

[AsburyPark] VOTE NO ON QUESTION THREE, AND ALL THIS NOVEMBER

[Kevin Brown]

TRENTON â€" The coalition pushing voters to approve the state 
borrowing $200 million to preserve land in the state said yesterday 
that recent ads railing against the ballot question were "deliberate 
lies" and "vicious, false attacks."

The Keep it Green Campaign, made up of 90 pro-preservation 
organizations, looked to debunk claims made by Bogota Mayor Steve 
Lonegan in recent ads and columns saying the program would take 
property from homeowners unwillingly, replace single-family home 
construction with high density housing and raise taxes.

While the funding would have the state add more debt, Jeff Tittel, 
director of the state chapter of the Sierra Club, said local towns 
looking to buy land to preserve rely on state money for reimbursement.

"Without the state match, local property taxes would have to go up 
higher to buy those pieces of open space those towns want to buy," 
said Tittel.

After learning of the coalition's statements, Lonegan responded, "To 
say that it won't raise taxes is an insult to the taxpayers of the 
state."

"The state's at a breaking point, we can't afford any of this 
nonsense anymore," said Lonegan, who lost a bid for the Republican 
nomination for governor in 2005 and now heads the state chapter of 
Americans for Prosperity. " . . . When it comes to land use, we have 
to let the free market decide and not the government, not the 
planners of Trenton."

If approved, the measure provides stopgap funding for one year of 
purchases, state fiscal year 2009, which begins next July. It would 
provide $109 million for open space, $73 million for farmland 
preservation, $12 million to buy flood-prone areas and $6 million for 
historic site preservation. The state, which the group says loses 40 
acres per day to development, has about $170 million left to last 
until then. The Legislature is expected to look for a longer source 
of funding in the upcoming lame-duck session.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Ballot Question #3 - VOTE NO ON ALL QUESTIONS

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, kerry butch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> PRESS RELEASE
>
>   For Immediate Release:
>  
>   Contact:  
>   October 18, 2007
> Jeff Tittel, Sierra Club, 
>   Dave Pringle, NJ Environment Federation, 

Within the act it says, "Eminent Domain" will be allowed to condemn 
and sieze private property.

Tittel & Pringle did absolutly nothing with their Trenton power to 
help the victims of Eminent Domain Abuse get a moratorium.

These guys are paid lobbyists.  Lonegan is a mayor.

These guys are democrats, Lonegan is a republican.

Tax payers can not afford any more state spending for pet projects, 
especially where eminent domain can be applied in an abusive manner.

Read question three for yourself.

I am not only asking you to vote no on three, but all questions this 
November.  They are want to bond and spend more money.  Some items of 
interest are viable, however I would like a new car, a boat and a 
better vacation.  These things are great to have, but if I can't 
afford them, at this time, I have to wait till I can.

The State can not afford any more spending.

see my previous post where I post the paragraph on eminent domain in 
this issue.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: groupies

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "maubddny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> I thought that you had to be educated to be a reverend?. If that's 
the 
> case, why cant Rev. "close up" Brown spell?

On the spelling I will take a page out of justified right's page.
Oh and dear heart, I would improve your grammer, before pointing out my 
spelling errors.

Kb
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[AsburyPark] groupies

[Kevin Brown]

ing to be 
allowed the same freedom to express my faith!

This ends my good night message.  Oh and by the way, cutting and 
pasteing this late night post and contending with me, don't waste 
your time.  I won't engage in anyones, foolish twists and spins on 
this one.

I was glad to meet Jack tonight, and surprising you Dan, well that 
just goes to show you, I can punk out with the best of them.

My father is on town this week, with his best friend.  Father Mike, 
who is a priest from Ireland.  If you think I a radical minister, you 
should have been out with us earlier tonight - he had some wonderful 
counsel for me.

Now I have to put my two pooches to sleep and get my father and his 
buddy from the Celtic Cottage before they drink up all the beer in 
Long Branch.

Good night.

God Bless Joe Torre!

Reverend Kevin Brown
Damn proud to be.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Mario Got What He was Out for...

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/18/2007 9:30:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Well,  that's a valid point, but honestly, we aren't in high 
school  here
> Hinge, you just took the bait to continue what you  wanted to stop.
> 
> In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  "Kevin 
> Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hinge:  ...  For mario to continue to bring it up, 
> =
> I made a veiled reference, after kb's "I have only  one question 
for mario. 
> Are you gay?"  
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30946_ 
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30946) 
>  
> My 5 word response: "Never been  arrested.  And you?"
>  _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30948_ 
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30948) 
>  
> That led to 54 posts with the word "gay": 20 by  kb, 4 by me.
>  
> "The first rule of holes:  When you're in  one, stop digging."  
Molly Ivins
>  
> Sorry Hinge, et al.  But the implication that  a restraining order 
is in line 
> for me is...well, out of order.
>  
> I will reset my mail preferences to dump all kb's  posts to a spam 
folder.  
> So the only time I'll see them is  if someone  else responds to 
them, as Hinge 
> just did.  And if a see "that's a valid  point," I'll look closer 
to see if it 
> applies to me and if it is truly  justified.
> 
> 
> 
> ** See what's new at 
http://www.aol.com
>
You had an opportunity to end it, but you elected to push push push.
I guess you just have no choice in the matter... or maybe you were 
born that way, a pusher that is.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/28/scotus.gay.boyscouts/

I'll pick this back up after the show, or maybe even during the show 
I'll have my laptop and my sat link.  There is a lot of sitting 
around at dog shows waiting for our scheduled ring times.  I'll use 
the "mario" as my time killing diversion at the show.

silentium est rutilus
Founder Brown




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Kumbaya

[Kevin Brown]

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/28/scotus.gay.boyscouts/ 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: group

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Kevin.
> I will try my best to stay out of battles that don't involve me, but 
I will try and defend 
> common sense decency.
> I appreciate your comments below.
> Hopefully, this will turn over a new leaf for both of us.
> Jack
> 
Jack

well it should be pretty quiet from me over the next day or so.

I'll be in south jersey at a dog show.

Kevin



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: group

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Your right Kevin. Silence is golden. And when I extended an olive 
branch of friendship 
> because of our common love of dogs, you chose to remain silent.
> And when somebody says I'm out of line, such as you've been lately, 
I do some self 
> examination, and adjust my behaviour.
> 
> > "Silence is golden."
> > 
> > For a while there it was kosher, but then you solicite a little 
> > sympathy by saying, "Whaaa, I am gonna leave..." then you pick up 
> > your old balliwyck and start inflaming the whole thing all over 
again.
> > 
> > Do the 390 silent members of this group a big favor and go off to 
> > your political group where you are the moderator.
> > 
> > KB
> >
>

Hello Jack, nice to meet you.  I appreciate you filling in your 
profile.  Now that you are a real person to me.  I apologise to you 
that I get defensive, and downright awnry when people like to use the 
tactics that were employed against me years ago.

If I personally offended you Jack, I apologise.  I too think you 
should stay here in this group, because when you are not defending 
your buddies, who are in combat with me, I have always appreciated 
your issues and your passion.

Kevin Brown




 
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[AsburyPark] Board Members Have some courtesy - Fill In your profile

[Kevin Brown]

Please fill in your profiles.

There seems to be so many blank unidentified profiles, and it should be 
a simple responsible action to at minimum let folks know who you are.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: group

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sharon and Mario.
> I'm going to find a way to focus on the things  about AP that I am 
most passionate about, 
> such as making the park a safer, cleaner place, and continuing to 
push the issue of 
> surveillence cameras. I really care about public perception (from 
outsiders) about this city.
> I may still go ahead with creating a more efficient city message 
board as i've previously 
> discussed, with it's own domain name. Obviously, there are some 
people here which will 
> have absolutely no interest in checking it out because they think 
it will be restrictive. I'd 
> just like it to be a cordial place. A good example is the political 
group I created. There has 
> been no need for moderation there at all, and there's been some 
great, heated 
> discussions. The difference between that group and this one is that 
people make an effort 
> to keep it a functional place to hold discussions  without making 
ugly, personal attacks. 
> Yesterday, somebody wrote that the posters here are ambassadors for 
the city. I agree 
> with that completely. The last two days corrupt that ideal and hurt 
our effectiveness.
> 
> 
> 
> -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u"  wrote:
> >
> > Mario,
> > Couldn't help chuckling at the names of these NEW groups!  I like 
SUS,
> > over the other, which makes me, HOWL!  I giggle at the least 
little
> > thing!  
> > 
> > Hinge,
> > Don't go!  You are my eyes!  We do appreciate you too!  Well, I do
> > anyway.  You stand for something and it isn't funny, when you 
request
> > something that is reasonable, such as lights in a park.  What a 
little
> > thing to ask for and it goes unheeded.  Woe to the City, when
> > something happens, that didn't have to.  Makes you wonder if the 
horse
> > patrol is more important than safety, when they're not around.  
Things
> > that make you go, H!
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 10/18/2007 7:08:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight 
Time,  
> > > dfsavgny@ writes:
> > > 
> > > All  are free to skip over certain posts and posters. Quite 
frankly
> > there is 
> > > too  much talk and no action about the same things 
> > > 
> > > Mayb we can all coalesce around what most here agree on.  
Surveillance  
> > > Cameras.
> > >  
> > > Stand Up for Surveillance.SUS?   Stand Up for  Cameras 
won't do.
> > >  
> > > I know the city council is working on this, but we can show up 
en
> > masse to  
> > > indicate that the issue needs to be fats tracked.
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ** See what's new at
> > http://www.aol.com
> > >
> >
>

"Silence is golden."

For a while there it was kosher, but then you solicite a little 
sympathy by saying, "Whaaa, I am gonna leave..." then you pick up 
your old balliwyck and start inflaming the whole thing all over again.

Do the 390 silent members of this group a big favor and go off to 
your political group where you are the moderator.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Violation Of Attorney Ethics

[Kevin Brown]

Some people post just to irrate others.

Some folks who are Professionally sanctioned by the state have a 
whole different level of ethics to follow.

A lawyer, can in no way, assert a negetive claim against an 
individual when a grand jury has refused to indict.

The entire matter as it was reported in the press, and other media 
venues, 4 years ago, was a consideration in the process.  The process 
cleared me.

To use any element to subsequently harrass, assail or attack the 
credability of the person formerly charged, and subsequently 
exonerated is behaviour that all attorney's should refrain from, 
under color of the privledge and the knowledge that they supposedly 
have.

Now, I am not a thinned skin person.  I also understand the JSRM is a 
very hot button issue as well the gay community's fight to gain 
marriage rights is as well a hot button issue.

I am not expecting, people will automatically embrace the 
oppossition.  However I do respect that all of us here need to check 
our ego's at the door when we pick up the keyboard.

Just know one thing, I am not easily intimidated.  I will speak up no 
matter who decides to post I wet my bed when I was three.

The style to eliminate the opposition by negetive remarks is immature 
and non professional.  It should stop.  Now let's see who draws first 
blood again.

Kevin Brown
"Founder Brown"





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Hypocricy Of Asbury Position On The Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  
> wrote:
> 
> > My 
> > bedroom was the scene of a false episode, that went no where.  
> 
> I pointed out your hypocrisy, not the allegation against you.
> 
> Besides, its YOUR FAULT that your arrest is being spoken of here.  
> 
> When Mario said, "Lights, Cameras, Actions!" I thought he was 
> referring to your video show.  I bet everyone else did too.
> 
> It wasn't until you asked him 15 times to explain the reference 
that 
> it came out that the police found lights and cameras pointing at 
> your bed.  It's like you wanted us to know about it.  Otherwise, 
you 
> wouldn't have demanded it be explained.
> 
> While you weren't indicted for the rape, you don't deny the cops 
> found lights and camera's pointed at your bed, do you Mr. Freaky.  
> How dare you condemn anyone else's preferences.
> 
> > I am sorry 
> > to hear you are in a quandry about your sexual preference, 
however 
> > thats to be expected now that you no longer act accordingly to 
> >God's 
> > will for all His children.
> 
> If you think I'm going to be insulted by your insinuation that I 
> might be Gay, forget it.
> 
> Since I find nothing wrong with being gay, there is nothing wrong 
> with being called that.  Fire away; its not true, of me, but it's 
> certainly not an insult.
> 
> As for me not following God's will, well, as a Catholic, I don't 
> think I have to.  God's greatest gift to me was free will.  He 
> judges me by me picking the right path - he won't throw me on it.  
I 
> certinly don't pretend such vision that I would even know his will.
> 
> If you are looking for the job on this board of "right-wing 
> christian conservative"  let me assure you the position is filled.
> 
> One of the jobs of true "right-wing christian conservatives" is to 
> expose the guys who claim to be, but who are doing it wrong.
> 
> One of my favorite vidoes ever is of a fellow "right wing christian 
> conservative" who got nailed doing it wrong.
> 
> Enjoy, everyone:
> 
> http://gorillamask.net/colbert10c.shtml
>

While you weren't indicted for the rape, you don't deny the cops
found lights and camera's pointed at your bed, do you Mr. Freaky.
How dare you condemn anyone else's preferences.


that detail was not in the mario reference, but now that you want to 
bring it out, the grand jury laughed at it.

The police had no cameras or lights or anything in evidence, becasue 
they didnt find any.  That was made up for the press.

Again, establishing just how much damage has been done by that event 
is sometimes difficult in a court of law.  You are just making it a 
lot easier for me to proove the damage.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Hypocricy Of Asbury Position On The Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  
> wrote:
> 
> > My 
> > bedroom was the scene of a false episode, that went no where.  
> 
> I pointed out your hypocrisy, not the allegation against you.
> 
> Besides, its YOUR FAULT that your arrest is being spoken of here.  
> 
> When Mario said, "Lights, Cameras, Actions!" I thought he was 
> referring to your video show.  I bet everyone else did too.
> 
> It wasn't until you asked him 15 times to explain the reference 
that 
> it came out that the police found lights and cameras pointing at 
> your bed.  It's like you wanted us to know about it.  Otherwise, 
you 
> wouldn't have demanded it be explained.
> 
> While you weren't indicted for the rape, you don't deny the cops 
> found lights and camera's pointed at your bed, do you Mr. Freaky.  
> How dare you condemn anyone else's preferences.
> 
> > I am sorry 
> > to hear you are in a quandry about your sexual preference, 
however 
> > thats to be expected now that you no longer act accordingly to 
> >God's 
> > will for all His children.
> 
> If you think I'm going to be insulted by your insinuation that I 
> might be Gay, forget it.
> 
> Since I find nothing wrong with being gay, there is nothing wrong 
> with being called that.  Fire away; its not true, of me, but it's 
> certainly not an insult.
> 
> As for me not following God's will, well, as a Catholic, I don't 
> think I have to.  God's greatest gift to me was free will.  He 
> judges me by me picking the right path - he won't throw me on it.  
I 
> certinly don't pretend such vision that I would even know his will.
> 
> If you are looking for the job on this board of "right-wing 
> christian conservative"  let me assure you the position is filled.
> 
> One of the jobs of true "right-wing christian conservatives" is to 
> expose the guys who claim to be, but who are doing it wrong.
> 
> One of my favorite vidoes ever is of a fellow "right wing christian 
> conservative" who got nailed doing it wrong.
> 
> Enjoy, everyone:
> 
> http://gorillamask.net/colbert10c.shtml
>

actually you have all done me a great service.  I won't have a 
difficult time proving how much damage has been done by the false 
arrest.  Thank you.

KB





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Hypocricy Of Asbury Position On The Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "maubddny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Kevin... you truly are a loser.
>

Well, we shall see.  In the meantime, I love you in the love of the 
Lord, and you need to repent and be converted.

Romans 10:9:10



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Hypocricy Of Asbury Position On The Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "maubddny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Kevin Brown is NOT a holy man... either in deeds or thoughts. 

Your post is an oximoron.

Exodus 18:22 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 
by The Lockman Foundation

 22"Let them judge the people at all times; and let it be (A)that every 
major dispute they will bring to you, but every minor dispute they 
themselves will judge So it will be easier for you, and (B)they will 
bear the burden with you. 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Hypocricy Of Asbury Position On The Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "maubddny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Kevin Brown is NOT a holy man... either in deeds or thoughts.  He 
> should re-reading the Bible and start with Mathew 7.1 
> 
> Once he get's that verse digested, he will be one step closer to 
> the "man" he wants to be.  
> 
> Until then Kevin, please don't bother praying for me You have 
your 
> own dirty laundry to worry about... and much vice and sin in your 
own 
> back yard!
>

Matthew 7
Judging Others 
 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you 
judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it 
will be measured to you. 
 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and 
pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to 
your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the 
time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the 
plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove 
the speck from your brother's eye. 

 6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. 
If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and 
tear you to pieces.

as for your request - I accept it as it too is covered under 6.

There is a big difference in judgeing sin and judgeing sinners.  I am 
not judgeing sinners, that for God to do.  However, I can judge what 
is sin and what is not.

There seems to be a lot of interest in my back yard.  There is 
nothing in my life or back yard that I have not brought to the thrown 
room of grace and asked God to forgive.  Many things I have even had 
deliverance from.

Now if you are calculating the malicious gossip of people - I wouldnt 
count on any of it being assessed against me. God knows my entire 
life, and everything in it, and I do not make wrong right before 
him.  No one is judged for sin, they are judged for not admitting it 
is sin. That's called grace.





 
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[AsburyPark] Hypocricy confirmed - You can't even keep your convictions

[Kevin Brown]

You have wavering minds, you undeciseness reveals you.

I thought you were ignoring me, so please ignor me and keep one thing 
about yourself consistent.

Remember Founder Bradley opposed all manner of evil.

I am honored to continue on with his legacy for the Jersey Shore.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton on RLUIPA v. Bohlin on Homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
>  
> In a message dated 10/18/2007 1:04:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> That's  the problem with society today, and why gangs are growing 
and 
> politicians are  corrupt. People like Mario, Asbury Couple, fight 
with those that  
> promote God's word and His teachings. I love these people so much, 
that I  
> decided to dedicate some time every day to "bring Christ to  them."
> 
> 
>  
> Ditto to Dan's comment, "Seriously Tom, good replies.
>  
> But I too am weak too, so...
>  
> The Christian Brothers of Ireland and the Jesuits  taught me reason 
and 
> critical thinking well, so I need neither your forgiveness,  
your "love,"  nor your 
> "christ."
> In fact I may have a bilious attack if you  approach with either.
>  
> History of some of those who "bring Christ"  tonight on TV for 
those who 
> never learned it:
> ==
> Root Out Heretics The Church of Rome proclaims itself the one  
true 
> religion; the Inquisition takes hostage the village of Montaillou,  
France.  21 
> WHYY Thu 10/18 9:00  PM 
> =
> _The Tears of Spain_ 
> (http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCProgram.do?
method=getDetail&pgmId=EP008062250002&stn=11537&chn=21&sch=11927592000
00&popup=) 
>  The Spanish live in religious harmony until Roman  Catholic 
zealots begin 
> attacking Jews. 
> 21 WHYY Thu 10/18 10:00  PM
> 
> ===
> Look also for the next Salem Witch Trials on TV,  or read Arthur 
Miller's 
> "The Crucible."  Rent the movie "Marjoe" which was  never shown in 
the South but 
> which has been just released on DVD.  Or any  of the following:
>  
> _The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture:  The Effect of Early 
Christological 
> Controversies on the Text of the New  Testament_ 
> (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195102797/ref=wl_it_dp/102-
6896512-3656910?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2JPC2CNBJG8HC&co
> lid=2UZG39KHUXSLD)  by Bart D.  Ehrman 
>  
> _The Holy Vote: The Politics of Faith in  America_ 
> (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060829974/ref=wl_it_dp/102-
6896512-3656910?ie=UTF8&coliid=IFHQ3TOSDX03
> T&colid=2UZG39KHUXSLD)  by Ray Suarez 
>  
> _Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed  the Bible and Why_ 
> (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060738170/ref=wl_it_dp/102-
6896512-3656910?ie=UTF8&co
> liid=I1IIZYR32QNPYD&colid=2UZG39KHUXSLD)  by Bart D. Ehrman
>  
> _American Fascists: The Christian Right and the  War On America_ 
> (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743284437/ref=wl_it_dp/102-
6896512-3656910?ie=UTF8&colii
> d=I357AK2I0BG2BB&colid=2UZG39KHUXSLD)  by Chris  Hedges
>  
> _Letters to a Young Evangelical (Art of  Mentoring)_ 
> (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465008313/ref=wl_it_dp/102-
6896512-3656910?ie=UTF8&coliid=I50R6J9XOI
> JD8&colid=2UZG39KHUXSLD)  by Tony  Campolo
> 
==

> ===
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Lord, save me from your  followers!
> 
> 
> 
> ** See what's new at 
http://www.aol.com
>

What those people did in their ignorance is not an excuse for any of 
us to ignor, God's will.  Man is ignorant, the organized church in 
the early history has to answer for their error.  Even in a municipal 
court your defence, based upon - well I didn't listen to the police 
officer, becasue a red bank police officer was convicted of police 
corruption, will not excuse your ticket.

Nor will you pointing to the error of early church groups, in doing 
so, you actually put yourself in a more horrible position with God.  
Their wrong will be judged by God, you are trying to judge their 
wrong to justify your wrong, as if you were God.  won't work!

Repent, and asked God to send you His Holy Spirit.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton on RLUIPA v. Bohlin on Homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
> >
> > I also think homosexuality is 
> > wrong.  It's immoral!
> 
> 
> Did you reach that conclusion on your own or did God tell you that?
>


actually science and medicine confirmed what I already knew.
The sexual act between two men is repulsive, un natural, unhealthy, 
and degrading to all men everywhere.

I won't get anymore grafic than that.

Besides, if it was a good sexual act, why is it the most feared event 
of terror in a prison!

LOL - pleae, don't get deluded, or confused.  Protect 
a gay man from secular abuse, but you won't have time to advocate on 
their behalf in judgement, we all will be too busy advocating our own 
butts!

Repent and be saved, I am calling out in a wilderness of perverse 
people.  God help us all!

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Hypocricy Of Asbury Position On The Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Look whose talking. No one else's bedroom has been in the news.
Just yours.

VV

Tommy as you resort to evil comments to defend yourself and your 
opine, I have nothing but love for you.  Because God loves you.  My 
bedroom was the scene of a false episode, that went no where.  The 
system does work.  The Grand Jurists pondered the events, read the 
news stories, looked at the evidence and realized just what a fiction 
my enemies were trying play out against me.

I wonder how all you would do, if a grand jury was assembled for some 
of things you all do in secret, and think you have gotten away with 
it.  I was judged not innocent in a trial, but that there were no 
substances to event he claims made against me.  It was "No Billed"  
you are a lawyer, you know what that means, yet you attempt to draw 
wrath from me by posting the episode again.

Well, the love of God keeps me, as you try to dull the light within 
me, the Holy Spirit will notch it up.  Tommy you can not be a 
believer in God, because you just attacked one of his children, with 
no more evidence than the other evil minded men whom I have contended 
with for close to 2 decades.

Be it known, that where the spirit of the Lord is is liberty, and 
that man's corruption is always revealed by God's light.  I am sorry 
to hear you are in a quandry about your sexual preference, however 
thats to be expected now that you no longer act accordingly to God's 
will for all His children.

I am sending you a bag of marshmellows as a jesture of my forgiveness 
towards your remarks.

Be it known, you all may point to that episode, because I have no 
shame, I was not guilty of any wrong doing.  I hope that is true of 
you all in the grand jury of judgement day!

God's Love Is Love

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Hypocricy Of Asbury Position On The Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lord help me, I've tried to ignore him, but I am weak and can not.
> 
Here is your help:

Unbelief and Its Consequences
 18For (AJ)the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all 
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who (AK)suppress the truth in 
unrighteousness, 
 19because (AL)that which is known about God is evident within them; 
for God made it evident to them. 

 20For (AM)since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, 
His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, (AN)
being understood through what has been made, so that they are without 
excuse. 

 21For even though they knew God, they did not [c]honor Him as God or 
give thanks, but they became (AO)futile in their speculations, and 
their foolish heart was darkened. 

 22(AP)Professing to be wise, they became fools, 

 23and (AQ)exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image 
in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals 
and [d]crawling creatures. 

 24Therefore (AR)God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to 
impurity, so that their bodies would be (AS)dishonored among them. 

 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a (AT)lie, and worshiped 
and served the creature rather than the Creator, (AU)who is blessed 
forever. Amen. 

 26For this reason (AV)God gave them over to (AW)degrading passions; 
for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is 
unnatural, 

 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of 
the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, (AX)men with 
men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the 
due penalty of their error. 

 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, 
(AY)God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which 
are not proper, 

 29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; 
full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are (AZ)gossips, 

 30slanderers, (BA)haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, 
inventors of evil, (BB)disobedient to parents, 

 31without understanding, untrustworthy, (BC)unloving, unmerciful; 

 32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who 
practice such things are worthy of (BD)death, they not only do the 
same, but also (BE)give hearty approval to those who practice them. 

REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NEAR, AND IT IS NOT TRENTON, NJ
All one need do is what Founder Bradley fought so hard for in Asbury 
park, accept the Lord and be reborn.
Kevin Brown
Lighthouse Mission




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The County and State aren't doing enough.

[Kevin Brown]

>  
> Sometimes that wisdom bubbles up to the politicians. I suspect that  
> sometimes happens to discussions here.  I prefer "bubble up" 
to "trickle  down."   
> 
>  
> It think that's the way it's supposed to work in the good 'ol  USA.
> 
> 
> 
> ** See what's new at 
http://www.aol.com
>

The above remark is a "Boothism"

Keep the faith

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: On Homeless, Homosexuals, and the divide in Asbury Park

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Roger;
> > 
> > Is poulard your real name?
> > 
> > I was thinking about an old SNL show many years ago, where one of 
the 
> > actors was doing a skit about a famous english cook.
> > 
> > She was preparing the "poulard"
> > 
> > It made me laugh.
> > 
> > Thanks for the laugh.
> > 
> > KB
> >
> who ever said off his meds was being kind, cmon guy give us a 
break, 
> you made your point lets move on
>


Fair enough.



 
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[AsburyPark] Mario's developed quite a rep in both posting enviorments

[Kevin Brown]

Re: [allthingsasbury] LYSOL 101 


Yeah, sure, but you two guys continue to bait one another as if your 
in
a tavern hanging out, only your not and so much gets lost between the
cyber world and the real world that you are making idiots of one
another.it is so obvious that both of you are intelligent and good
guys, somehow you have to wrap your selves around the idea that 
posting
to an internet group like yahoo is not the same as hanging out and
arguing. The reality is that once you post something, everyone who 
reads
it more often than not moves on, except you and tommie, you guys argue
what you said ad nauseum and eventually, the whole point is gone...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/9/2007 12:45:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Stop wasting your time debating bullshit Mario...
>
> *Thanks for the advice.*
> **
> *But these days a lot of bullshit sticks after it dries.*
> *Just wanted to wipe the record clean while the shitake was still 
fresh.*
>
> *And disinfect it with some facts:*
>
> *1. A hell of a lot more praising et al. than complaining.*
>
> *2. /Pro Bono/ is best kept private.*
>
> *And avoid endless debate by posting it here, rather than there.*
>
> *Thanks again.*
>
> **
>
> In a message dated 10/9/2007 12:45:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Stop wasting your time debating bullshit Mario...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:14:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
> >
> > What about YOU? Where have I seen you with your sleeves rolled up
> > and working as a volunteer in AP?
> >
> > *The one time I know of when J Right didn't personally tout his
> > services occurred when code violations resulted in what most of
> us saw
> > as an outrageous jail sentence.*
> >
> > *For the record:*
> >
> > *I have chosen to keep private _all_ my caretaker and "pro bono"
> > services in this community and elsewhere.*
> >
> > What fundraisors[sic] have I seen you supporting? ZERO.
> > NOTHING. ZILCH.
> >
> >
> > *An impotent charge.*
> > **
> > *J Right is neither omnipotent, nor omniscient. And *
> > **
> > *he is also not omnipresent to "see" all fundraising activities in
> > this city.*
> > **
> > *If J Right doesn't "see" it, does that mean it doesn't occur?*
>
>
>
>
> 

> See what's new at AOL.com
>  and Make AOL Your
> Homepage .
>
> 

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[AsburyPark] Re: On Homeless, Homosexuals, and the divide in Asbury Park

[Kevin Brown]

Hello Roger;

Is poulard your real name?

I was thinking about an old SNL show many years ago, where one of the 
actors was doing a skit about a famous english cook.

She was preparing the "poulard"

It made me laugh.

Thanks for the laugh.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Read it and weep

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> That All Things Asbury moderated site is starting to look better every
> day folks.
>

I find it rather interesting that one would opt to go to a forum where 
the opposing view point would not be allowed to participate.  
Interesting, but not shocking or surprising.  The left has become 
facists in their attempt to control the conversation.  They ignor the 
basic rights of free speech.

Dan is the moderator, I hope to God his italian blood lines don't run 
to closely to the facists of yesteryear.

If you disavow the opposition, don't ever complain about the patriot 
act again.  So President Bush was right, to suspend rights for certain 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Read it and weep

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Lighthouse Mission"
>  wrote:
> >
> > and we will aid the JSRM in their appeal...
> > 
> > People of Faith must unite and protect our rights.
> > 
> > The Staff
> >
> 
> Maybe we can bankrupt you too. Read the decision (I did yesterday).
> The actions of the town were arbitrary. Not our zoning board.
>

Dan:

I read it also, I posted it as a file.  If it wasn't arbitrary, then 
it was capricious and defintely descriminatory.  The three pronges 
don't necessisarily need to be evident.  I expect the high court will 
see the pressure of the anti- religious - political group forcing the 
zoning board to make such a decision for their political survival, 
after all the zoning board members are appointed.

They went through the motions outlined by them from the Aaron, Zaro, 
Grimm, Falvo law firm.  Each bit of advise, each memo, was built by 
lawyers not for justice sake, but for case building purposes and 
political ends.

If the decision to close JSRM stands after appeal then all the 
religious facilities in town must be shut down!  You can not 
arbitrarily shut down JSRM and leave open the others, thats 
descrimination.  To decide no, we only do not want JSRM open, but the 
Church of Whatever can remain, then thats arbitrary.

Dan, I respect you, because you do not play dirty like Mario does, 
and because you're from Brooklyn.  and I am bias in that vain.

The issue, is in the hands of the courts, so enjoy your day.

Kevin



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Read it and weep

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Lighthouse Mission"
>  wrote:
> >
> > and we will aid the JSRM in their appeal...
> > 
> > People of Faith must unite and protect our rights.
> > 
> > The Staff
> >
> 
> Maybe we can bankrupt you too. Read the decision (I did yesterday).
> The actions of the town were arbitrary. Not our zoning board.
>

No one bankrupts me.  and the actions of the Asbury park zoning board 
will be scrutinised by the third district.  Remember, the RLUIPA 
gives us our legal fees and damages.  Why not simply take a look at 
older cases like Ephiphany house.  This is a repeat of what was 
corrected by the DOJ, in the 70's.

Again, I am not here to change your mind, which quite frankly can 
never be done.  It would have been easier for me to raise the dead 
than to change a secular progressives mind.  My position is not to 
change your mind, but to keep my side of the issue as out there as 
others.

Let everyone, not be fooled by name calling and reputation bashing.  
Look at the true issues in the arguement and decide for yourself.  I 
have allowed the leftists to get my goat up at times, but thats 
passed now.  Now we concentrate on the issue.  Fair and Balanced, 
presenting information, I'll let the leftists rip it up.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Read it and weep

[Kevin Brown]

Your missing the point:
First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, 
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of 
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to 
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

additionally, your arguements where also raised in the Marmaroneck 
case and failed!! Twice I may add, at the lower court and the 
appealate.

Your comparison between a religious entity and a Mac Donald's is the 
very violation that RLUIPA rectifies.  Religious entities are 
protected and are liberated from those restrictions that do not 
mandate as necessary for the government.

But you know what, you and your supporters will never change your 
minds, nor will those on my side of this issue.  So instead of even 
attempting to pursuade each other, I ll just let the court prove my 
point, as it seems to be doing in all my issues.  Eminent Domain, 
Religious Land Use, moral respectability and protection of children 
from immoral and perverse predators.

When the government is invaded by political power bosses and their 
political blocks of voters, the courts are the check and the balance.

Obviously, New Jerseans have given up and are moving out leaving a 
great void for the illegals and the immorals to fill.

What makes me relevent in this forum, is the simple fact that the 
Founder of The Park was "famous as a foe of liquor traffic, Mr. 
Bradley was also was known as a consistent opponent of all manner of 
vice."  Here in lies my strength - a consitent opponent of vice!

I attended a funeral of a young person this morning.  The teen died 
from drug abuse.  I am friends of the parents.  As I stood there 
beside my friends, I knew the surviving parents loved the deceased 
child.  However, the child was still gone, and love could not make 
what was life threatening any better.  The mourning for that lost 
child was harder because of the love.

Many times people stuck in spiritual corruption will die in their 
corruption, they were always loved by God no matter what, but they 
are still dead in their moral tresspass.  Those who are refusing to 
accept that spiritual fact just make our grief greater, it does not 
make the "wrong" - right!

I'll admit that when in a debate such as the sky is blue, and some 
group is supporting, no, it's yellow.  I do tend to dismiss the 
yellow supporters abruptly.  Reason being, is that I know the sky is 
blue, all they can do is attempt to manipulate me to ignor the blue.  
So when I say, "You need to have your eyes checked."  If they want to 
get adamant because I said that so be it.

The political philosophy, "agree to dissagree" is no longer 
beneficial in today's society.  Those who are promoting liberal 
attitudes in social ills are destroying the fabric of our lives.

It's time for the conservative majority to act.

Christianity, is not a political issue, it is a religious right.

so be it
KB

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> you still have to meet the basics rules of zoning-  
> 
> like if you need parking, bus lanes, fire lanes or whatever the 
> building and zoning laws call for.
> 
> It all depends on how many people use a facility and what zone the 
> building or land is in. People aren't worried so much about 
religion, 
> more so how a facility will be used, what hours and if they provide 
> for the people they attract. Just like if a McDonalds wants to come 
> to town. What if Burget King wants the same spot? What if McDonalds 
> gets shot down and Burger King prevails?? Was McDonalds 
discriminated 
> against or did BK have better lawyers or do the planners prefer BK 
> over McDs?
> 
> A zoning board HAS to have control over the towns MASTER PLAN and 
try 
> its best to see that new businesses (as in religion) fits that plan.
> 
> I think the INTENT of the act was to preserve the right for 
worship - 
> not to run childcare, adult care, rehab or whatever - "the prmiary 
> purpose of the facility is religion.." not a quickie service 
designed 
> to "meet" the definition of the law.
> 
> How about when these people walk out the door every morning, you 
are 
> there before they go out and make sure they look presentable on the 
> street. 
> 
> Maybe TD will those Zenga suits that don't fit any more over there.
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[AsburyPark] Read it and weep

[Kevin Brown]

BREAKING NEWS: Court Affirms Religious Zoning Law
by James D. Besser
Washington Correspondent

A federal appeals court in New York has upheld a law protecting 
religious institutions from undue interference by local zoning 
authorities in a case involving an Orthodox day school.

The controversy, which has raged since 2001, involves the Westchester 
Day School's plans for a $12 million expansion and complaints by 
neighborhood residents that the expansion will worsen the area's 
traffic woes.

The three-judge panel, supporting a lower court decision, ruled that 
Westchester authorities improperly denied a permit application by 
the school.

The case is widely seen as an important test of the 2000 Religious 
Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA). That law was 
passed in response to complaints by Orthodox groups and other 
religious communities that local authorities too often discriminate 
against religious schools and houses of worship in zoning rulings.

The law also protects the religious rights of inmates in state and 
local prisons.

The village of Mamaroneck has not indicated if it will appeal the 
decision. If it does, the stage could be set for the first major 
Supreme Court test of the land use provisions of the 2000 law.

Orthodox Jewish groups hailed the ruling.
 
"This is a very important decision not just for the Orthodox 
community, but for religious institutions in the Tri-State area and 
around the country," said Nathan Diament, public affairs director for 
the Orthodox Union. "We're pleased that the RLUIPA statute, which we 
worked so hard to pass, is being interpreted by the courts in the way 
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[AsburyPark] FYI: NJ's LAD Re: Students & Teachers. Also Please Support WPP

[Kevin Brown]

well when secular progressive come to power in any government, the 
decay occurs.

Frankly that is where the State's problem are.  This is why 100,000 
people have left the state.

I blame the Independent Conservatives, because they are the ones who 
are being silent, not voting and running out of the state.

This prooves my point.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] The Hypocricy Of Asbury Position On The Homeless

[Kevin Brown]

It has been stated time and time again, that Asbury park's problem is 
not because they are a religious group believing homosexuality is a 
sin of moral decay, but that Asbury Park does enough already for 
thier homeless.  They also argue that homeless people from outside 
the imediate asbury park area are flooding into asbury park.  This 
isolationist defence is flawed.

They take financial assistance from the State of New Jersey.  Trenton 
gives them mucho bucks.  When you get State aid, which is the taxes 
of everyone in New Jersey, then you must be a team player.

Their arguement is soiled by their lusts for immoral behaviour.  
Everyone knows that the gay community took the opportunity to go to 
Asbury Park because of it's run down condition.  They bought in 
cheap, and they convinced others to come and build a gay utopia.  In 
and of itself, a safe haven for people is a good idea.  Even though I 
disagree with the lifestyle, I agree anyone in New Jersey has the 
right to live as they see fit.  The Kingdom of Heaven is not located 
in Trenton, NJ.

However, now that a large political force is assembled in Asbury Park 
they are flexing their bias against other institutional communities 
such as "right wing" religious fanatics.  This is to be expected, 
afterall it is the Left Wing Loonies who have collected together 
under the Gay Banner.

The Jersey Shore Rescue Mission, and other, same sex relationships 
are immoral and against the religious teachings & preaching, groups 
will not be welcomed in Asbury Park, no matter what service they wish 
to perform.

The Asbury Gay community has become they very thing they were 
victimed by, intolerant and militant hate mongers.  Those that use to 
be sympathizers to their plight are now conspirators in their hate 
mongering.

Don't miss the obvious.  Asbury Park is part of New Jersey, and if 
takes like a sponge financial assistance from the rest of the tax 
payers in the state, at a very high rate.  If they want to shun, the 
homeless neighbors from outside their borders, let them refund the 
state aid they enjoy from our taxes.

Kevin Brown
Son of Joseph A. Brown*, an Irish fisherman

PS: *who better learn to post on his account when on my computer



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park zoners vote against christianity and for homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
> 
> my father is a scientist and has probably read or is still reading
> everybook ever written on religion.
> 
> however, as a scientist, he always told us that when you die and if
> should choose to be placed in the ground or placed in a box, you are
> dead and then nature takes it's course.
> 
> What you believe in is what you believe in, whatever you're taught, 
i
> any religion or variation of. No religion is perfect and each has 
it's
> own values and more so, problems.
> 
> So we are gathered here to say a prayer for Asbury Park, may it be
> resurrected in some or fashion that we can all love and criticize, 
for
> that it is.
> 
> East side, West side, gay and straight, rich and poor, residents and
> tourists and most of all, the Yahoo Group.
> 
> Have a Naughty Night. May we all sin.
> 
> PS. No soup. The place was dead.
>

Cheers, I know I am new in this chitty chitty chat room. So I'll keep 
it civil.  My heart goes out to you - when I go to a pub for a soup 
and a smits, I expect to have me soup and me smits.  There is nothing 
worse than not getting what you yearn for.  Especially after a hard 
day's work.

Not knowing many of you here, it seems to me, this Mario blout should 
have not brought up the dead story long buried.

The Reverend lost his cool, however, I like a passionate priest.  In 
Ireland Mario would have gotten a holy fist over the matter, but 
that's Ireland.

I did note one interesting development.  Someone prayed, I guess the 
Lord moved somewhat.

Now to the Lord, please God fix my boat quickly, the smithwick's here 
is expensive and these folks are fighting with each other over you.

Irish Joe
Fisherman make better beer drinkers.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Kevin Brown, this is God speaking

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You are embarassing me.
> > > Please stop immediately.
> > >
> > 
> > Stand thee behind me HINGE...
> >
> 
> I could make a really, really bad joke right now, but I won't.
> Goodnight.
> Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.
>

Hay Hinge, me thinks you got away easy.  The Reverend could have 
damned you as a liar, because I know you are not God.  Cause He is 
right here having a Smithwick's with me.

Irish Joe
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[AsburyPark] Re: Kevin Brown, this is God speaking

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You are embarassing me.
> > > Please stop immediately.
> > >
> > 
> > Stand thee behind me HINGE...
> >
> 
> I could make a really, really bad joke right now, but I won't.
> Goodnight.
> Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.
>
The original is; "Stand thee behind me satan."
I thought I would be nice and drop the satan, you took a biblical 
remark and turned it into a seedy thought.

You have confirmed, just how important it is for me to "Preach Christ 
and His teachings to this forum."

Perverse and immoral behaviour has been tolerated for too long.  I 
talking spiritually, and the weapons of my warfare are not carnal, 
but mighty to the pulling down of strongholds.

With all the controversy I have been in in the last 20 years, I might 
as well be in the midst of controversy for Christ's message of love 
and repentance and changeing the way we live our lives here and now.

I have chosen to forgive mario for broadcasting an event that 
occurred close to 4 years ago, that had no foundation in truth to 
begin with.  Just to harass me and undermine my credibility today.

God see all, and knows all.  God will not be mocked what a man sows 
so shall he reap.

Good night hinge.

Good night Asbury, tomorrow we begin a new day and hope is on the way.

Praise The Lord...

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Kevin Brown, this is God speaking

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> You are embarassing me.
> Please stop immediately.
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Stand thee behind me HINGE...



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Mario Got What He was Out for...

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> When did the Unabomber get internet privelages?
> 

You have used the above remark before, get some new material.

Yawn



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park zoners vote against christianity and for homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> -believe what you want and keep it there your church. 
> I'm trying to remain a lurker.
> 
> The bible(s) is/are a story.
> 
> This is the real world. 
> 
> 
> Off to Raffs for some tomato soup.
> 
> then back to work,
>

So how was the tomatoe soup?



 
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[AsburyPark] Christianity and the American Commonwealth

[Kevin Brown]

Christianity and the American Commonwealth  

By Charles B. Galloway, D.D., LL.D. 



--
--

Originally published in 1898, "Christianity and the American 
Commonwealth" is one of the best summaries of the impact of 
Christianity on America. 

Galloway leaves no historical fact unturned in his demonstration that 
America was founded as a Christian nation. Furthermore, he proves 
that without the Gospel and the application of all of God's Word to 
all of life, civilizations turn despotic and crumble. 

In a day when Christian leaders call for the abandonment of politics, 
Galloway's book is a breath of fresh air. In many ways this book was 
prophetic. He saw what would happen if America rejected her Biblical 
foundations or if Christians retreated from their engagement in 
society. 

Although written more than 100 years ago, Galloway's arguments are 
persuasively modern and must be heeded by today's church. There's no 
doubt that the ACLU will be terrified when this book gets back into 
circulation! Over one hundred images have been added in this newly 
republished version. 

Hardcover, 192 pages. 

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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton on RLUIPA v. Bohlin on Homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > so now you are saying God can not communicate to man through man.
> > there is absolutely no canon, or theology to support your 
position.
> 
> The jackals that flew planes into the WTC thought God was 
comminicating through them. The inquisitors thought they were doing 
Gods will. 
> 
> The Gospels themselves prove every word cannot be true since they 
contradict each other at parts. Thus any part is might be wrong. 
> 
> Do not take the Gospels as gospel. Written by men with all their 
foibles and prejudices. 
> 
> Then all works inspired by God are equally true or equally false. 
The Gospels, the Book of Mormon, the Koran. 
> 
> Many will speak in my name. The sheep know the voice of the 
sheperd. But one mans truth is anothers lie.
>

I agree wth much of what you said Dan.  I also think homosexuality is 
wrong.  It's immoral!  So as the gay and lesbian community started 
attacking communion in a san francisco catholic church, and in New 
Jersey attacking Ocean Grove.  I just decided to make a stand for 
basic christian family values.

I will never bash or sympathise with violence against any sinners.  I 
will love the sinner, but I am not gonna just agree for the sake of 
lull

The day of atonement is at hand.  Judgement is upon us all, even me.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Mario Got What He was Out for...

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "steveguyrx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> Is Kevin Brown really a man of the cloth?  I thought men of the 
cloth had compassion.  Does he really think that if a teacher happens 
to be gay that our children will become gay or be molested.  I think 
I need to stop reading Kevin's remarks.  He is making me sick.
> 
> Steve
> 920 Monroe
>   - Original Message - 

Wrong, I don't think a gay teacher will produce gay students.  What 
actually discredits Mario from teaching students is that he likes to 
remind people of what happenned in their lives years ago, when in 
fact they did nothing wrong.  A teacher, is suppose to be supportive 
of children, especially when many of those in our schools may have 
fallen into a bad crowd or have been manipulated by gangs on the 
streets.

Mario's behaviour need be above all's reproach.  If the way he 
handles adults is suspect, what would make any of us think he deals 
with similar circumstances with the children.  If a student had a 
problem that he or she was cleared of, and it was years later, should 
mario be allowed to re victimise the student by throwing it into his 
or her face just because Mario is promoting his issue of the day.

I don't think children need to be exposed to such irratic and 
demeaning behaviour from teacher.

He already, admitted he knew many teen agers sufferring from 
depression and who'se to say, if his volatile remarks wouldn't 
trigger a harmful episode in a school.

I just couldn't stand by and let someone who likes to bash innocent 
people and harrass them about them being arrested, in a threatening 
manner as if he was going to tell everyone, like Mario actually did!!!

Could you imagine him turning on a school child this way?

My concerns are well founded, and I am not the only one who is 
concerned.

A teacher of young children needs to be able to display control from 
malicious attacks unfounded and for no purpose.

Besides sexual pervertion is moral failure.  You want your children 
being tought by morally failing people?

Sick, you better be sick of this issue, cause it is sickening.

I hope he changes his ways and apologises for his lack of control.

KB




 
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[AsburyPark] Violation Of The Holy Sacrement

[Kevin Brown]

See who's receiving Communion in San Francisco
'I doubt even Judas would have done such a perverse thing'

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A Catholic parish in San Francisco has been classified alongside 
graphic San Francisco sex-fest sponsor Miller Brewing after officials 
served Communion to members of the ultra anti-Catholic "Sisters of 
Perpetual Indulgence," whose mockery of Christianity is legend in the 
city. 

The service was captured on video by a member of the Catholic group 
St. Joseph's Men Society, and it has been made available Catholic 
blogsite Quamdiu Domine. 


Two "sisters" at Holy Redeemer church in San Franscico 


"I doubt that even Judas would have done such a perverse thing as 
this," said Anthony Gonzales, president of the men's 
organization. "Not only did [Archbishop George] Niederauer sell out 
our Lord for human respect but deliberately crucified Him again 
within the very sanctuary of the church that he was consecrated to 
protect. If Rome does not remove him immediately from his position 
and excommunicate him for this evil, then Rome itself becomes 
complicit in the crime. Enough is enough!" 

The archbishop, in an diocese newspaper editorial scheduled for 
publication next week, apologizes for serving the two "Sisters," 
explaining he didn't recognize who they were. 


'Sisters' receiving Communion 


He described the Oct. 7 event has routine. "The congregation was 
devout and the liturgy was celebrated with reverence. I noticed no 
demonstration, no protest, no disruption of the Eucharist," he writes 
for the coming explanation. 

"At Communion time, toward the end of the line, two strangely dressed 
persons came to receive Communion. As I recall one of them wore a 
large flowered hat or garland. I did not recognize either of them as 
wearing mock religious garb," he said. 

"Afterward it was made clear to me that these two people were members 
of the organization 'Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence,' who have long 
made a practice of mocking the Catholic Church in general and 
religious women in particular," he said. 

"Although I had often seen photographs of members of the Sisters of 
Perpetual Indulgence, I had never encountered them in person until 
October 7th. I did not recognize who these people were when they 
approached me. After the event, I realized that they were members of 
this particular organization and that giving them Holy Communion had 
been a mistake. I apologize to the Catholics of the Archdiocese of 
San Francisco and to Catholics at large for doing so," he said. 

"The manner of dress and public comportment of the Sisters of 
Perpetual Indulgence is deeply offensive to women religious and to 
the witness of holiness and Christian service that women religious 
have offered to the Church and to the world for centuries. The 
citizens of San Francisco have ample reason to be grateful to women 
religious for their unfailing support of those most in need, and to 
be deeply offended when that service is belittled so outrageously and 
offensively. 

"Someone who dresses in a mock religious habit to attend Mass does so 
to make a point. If people dress in a manner clearly intended to mock 
what we hold sacred, they place themselves in an objective situation 
in which it is not appropriate for them to receive Holy Communion, 
much less for a minister of the Church to give the Sacrament to them. 

"Therefore I conclude that the presence of the Sisters of Perpetual 
Indulgence at the Mass on October 7th was intended as a provocative 
gesture. In that moment I failed to recognize it as such, and for 
that, as I have said, I must apologize," he writes. 

The service was held just days after downtown San Francisco was 
flooded with open nudity, public acts of sex and other activities 
related to the Folsom Street homosexual sex fair. 

Catholics earlier reacted to the event itself by calling for a 
boycott of the Miller Brewing Co. after the beer giant failed to have 
its logo removed from a "gay"-festival promo mocking the iconic Last 
Supper scene of Jesus Christ and his disciples. 

Now a number of groups, including Americans for Truth about 
Homosexuality, have been publicizing the stunt. 

(Story continues below) 


"Just when you thought it couldn't get any wackier: on Sunday, just a 
week after the depraved, nudity-filled 'Folsom Street Fair' in San 
Francisco, the city's Archbishop, George Niederauer, has been 
photographed giving Communion to two Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence 
in their mock 'nun' outfits," said a statement from AFTAH. 

AFTAH chief Peter LaBarbera explained that the "Sisters" are men who 
dress up in outlandish outfits and white make-up to mock Catholic 
nuns. They adopt sexualized names including "Sister Porn Again" and 
their motto is "Go forth and sin some more." 

LaBarbera reported at this year's event one, "novice" was "Sister 
Bambi Dextrous" who wore a T-shirt with the slogan "Bot

[AsburyPark] Re: Mario Got What He was Out for...

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Or, you could leave our group!  Just leave!  We're here to discuss
> Asbury Park!  We are NOT here, to judge who is, or is not Gay,
> Straight or Other!  Just leave..!
> 
> 
I agree, asbury park needs to be rebuilt, much like the ancient cities 
that lay in ruin as recounted in the scriptures.

That will be my contribution.  Providing biblical accounts of 
rebuilding cities, that once had glory and lost it, now trying to 
rebuild it.

I have made this my mission field, and the field is ripe, and the 
laborers are few...

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Mario Got What He was Out for...

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Mario, are you a homosexual or not?
> > 
> > And if you are teaching children I think I have a right to know.  
> > 
> > KB
> 
> Kevin, you have lost all credibility with me and I think most on this
> site. While you are certainly free to post here, you are not welcomed.
>

I understand Dan.

Peace to you

Kevin Brown



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton on RLUIPA v. Bohlin on Homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Reverend Brown,
> 
> I am a Christian and I do not believe one word of what you wrote.  
But
> here is what really puzzles me.
> 
> Even if you are correct (which you are not), frankly, why does it 
even
> matter?  As Christians we are taught to love everyone, even 
sinners. 
> You are a sinner Reverend Brown and so am I...yet as Christians we 
are
> taught to love each other.
> 
> I don't really care what sins you are guilty of...or whether or not 
you
> have a clear definiton of what your sins are... or even whether you
> understand how much of a sinner you are.  My only Christian 
response to
> your humanity is supposed to be love.
> 
> So i don't understand why you spend so much time and energy trying 
to
> define the nature of sin...shouldn't you be spending your efforts 
just
> trying to love others?
> 

Greetings:

The wrods of this post are not mine, they are Sue Bohlin's and they 
are based on scripture.  I love sinners, I love for God first loved 
me, and yet while I was lost in my sin his love sent his son to die 
for me.  Yet while I was ungodly, Christ shed his own blood to save 
me and all who believe.

But as a father of three children, I love and I don't just look at 
them every day, in love.  I teach them, I nuture them, I do many more 
things than just sit back and smile a lovely smile at them.

That's the problem with society today, and why gangs are growing and 
politicians are corrupt.  People like Mario, Asbury Couple, fight 
with those that promote God's word and His teachings.  I love these 
people so much, that I decided to dedicate some time every day 
to "bring Christ to them."

God love you brother.

Kevin Brown.

Sin is not final, God's love washes away all sin.
Even my own.
The issue should not be sin, but righteousness.




 
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[AsburyPark] Rebuilding Asbury Park - A model lesson from the Good Book

[Kevin Brown]

The lesson for the day:

Nehemiah 1 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 
1995 by The Lockman Foundation



Nehemiah 1
Nehemiah's Grief for the Exiles
 1The words of (A)Nehemiah the son of Hacaliah Now it happened in (B)
the month Chislev, (C)in the twentieth year, while I was in (D)Susa 
the [a]capitol, 
 2that (E)Hanani, one of my brothers, and some men from Judah came; 
and I asked them concerning the Jews who had escaped and had survived 
the captivity, and about Jerusalem. 

 3They said to me, "The remnant there in the (F)province who survived 
the captivity are in great distress and (G)reproach, and (H)the wall 
of Jerusalem is broken down and (I)its gates are burned with fire." 

 4When I heard these words, (J)I sat down and wept and mourned for 
days; and I was fasting and praying before (K)the God of heaven. 

 5I said, "I beseech You, O LORD God of heaven, (L)the great and 
awesome God, (M)who preserves the covenant and lovingkindness for 
those who love Him and keep His commandments, 

 6(N)let Your ear now be attentive and Your eyes open to hear the 
prayer of Your servant which I am praying before You now, day and 
night, on behalf of the sons of Israel Your servants, (O)confessing 
the sins of the sons of Israel which we have sinned against You; (P)I 
and my father's house have sinned. 

 7"(Q)We have acted very corruptly against You and have not kept the 
commandments, nor the statutes, nor the ordinances (R)which You 
commanded Your servant Moses. 

 8"Remember the word which You commanded Your servant Moses, 
saying, '(S)If you are unfaithful I will scatter you among the 
peoples; 

 9(T)but if you return to Me and keep My commandments and do them, 
though those of you who have been scattered were in the most remote 
part of the heavens, I (U)will gather them from there and will bring 
them (V)to the place where I have chosen to cause My name to dwell.' 

 10"(W)They are Your servants and Your people whom You redeemed by 
Your great power and by Your strong hand. 

 11"O Lord, I beseech You, (X)may Your ear be attentive to the prayer 
of Your servant and the prayer of Your servants who delight to revere 
Your name, and make Your servant successful today and grant him 
compassion before this man " Now I was the (Y)cupbearer to the king. 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park zoners vote against christianity and for homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

well I have been persecuted by you all so I may as well preach at you.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for 
theirs is the kingdom of heaven.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Hamilton on RLUIPA v. Bohlin on Homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseykev@ wrote:
> >
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> > A. Our standard can only be what God says. In Romans 1 we read,
> 
> 
> Written by men. When God writes a book, send me a copy.
>

so now you are saying God can not communicate to man through man.
there is absolutely no canon, or theology to support your position.

But I don't need scripture to tell me homosexuality is wrong.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Asbury Park zoners vote against christianity and for homosexuality

[Kevin Brown]

God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged 
natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also 
abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for 
one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received 
in themselves the due penalty for their perversion (Rom 1:26-27).
 
So even though homosexual desires feel natural, they are actually 
unnatural, because God says they are. He also calls all sexual 
involvement outside of marriage immoral. (There are 44 references to 
fornication--sexual immorality--in the Bible.) Therefore, any form of 
homosexual activity, whether a one-night stand or a long-term 
monogamous relationship, is by definition immoral--just as any abuse of 
heterosexuality outside of marriage is immoral. 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Religious Liberty and Limits of morality

[Kevin Brown]

Homosexuality: Questions and Answers
Sue Bohlin

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Q. Some people say homosexuality is natural and moral; others say it 
is unnatural and immoral. How do we know? 


A. Our standard can only be what God says. In Romans 1 we read, 



God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged 
natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also 
abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust 
for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and 
received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion (Rom 1:26-
27). 
So even though homosexual desires feel natural, they are actually 
unnatural, because God says they are. He also calls all sexual 
involvement outside of marriage immoral. (There are 44 references to 
fornication--sexual immorality--in the Bible.) Therefore, any form of 
homosexual activity, whether a one-night stand or a long-term 
monogamous relationship, is by definition immoral--just as any abuse 
of heterosexuality outside of marriage is immoral. 



Q. Is homosexuality an orientation God intended for some people, or 
is it a perversion of normal sexuality? 


A. If God had intended homosexuality to be a viable sexual 
alternative for some people, He would not have condemned it as an 
abomination. It is never mentioned in Scripture in anything but 
negative terms, and nowhere does the Bible even hint at approving or 
giving instruction for homosexual relationships. Some theologians 
have argued that David and Jonathan's relationship was a homosexual 
one, but this claim has no basis in Scripture. David and Jonathan's 
deep friendship was not sexual; it was one of godly emotional 
intimacy that truly glorified the Lord. 


Homosexuality is a manifestation of the sin nature that all people 
share. At the fall of man (Gen 3), God's perfect creation was 
spoiled, and the taint of sin affected us physically, emotionally, 
intellectually, spiritually--and sexually. Homosexuality is a 
perversion of heterosexuality, which is God's plan for His creation. 
The Lord Jesus said, 




In the beginning the Creator made them male and female. For this 
reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his 
wife, and the two will become one flesh (Matt 19:4, 5). 
Homosexual activity and pre-marital or extra-marital heterosexual 
activity are all sinful attempts to find sexual and emotional 
expression in ways God never intended. God's desire for the person 
caught in the trap of homosexuality is the same as for every other 
person caught in the trap of the sin nature; that we submit every 
area of our lives to Him and be transformed from the inside out by 
the renewing of our minds and the purifying of our hearts. 



Q. What causes a homosexual orientation? 


A. This is a complex issue, and it is unfair to give simplistic 
answers or explanations. Some people start out as heterosexuals, but 
they rebel against God with such passionate self-indulgence that they 
end up embracing the gay lifestyle as another form of sexual 
expression. As one entertainer put it, "I'm not going to go through 
life with one arm tied behind my back!" 


But the majority of gays sense they are "different" from very early 
in life, and at some point they are encouraged to identify this 
difference as being gay. These people may be the victims of "pre-
conditions" that dispose them toward homosexuality. One such pre-
condition may be a genetic predisposition for homosexuality. There is 
a huge difference, however, between a genetic predisposition that 
affects gender identity, and the choices we make in how we handle a 
predisposition. Although their work is far from conclusive, 
researchers such as Simon LeVay, Michael Bailey, and Richard Pillard 
have argued that homosexual tendencies may be indicated even before 
birth. But they will not go so far as to say that homosexual behavior 
is determined. Another pre-condition for some people is the presence 
of childhood or adolescent abuse, either emotional or sexual. It is 
very difficult to find a homosexual who did not experience the trauma 
of intense rejection, the horror of being molested, or the shock of 
an early sexual experience. 



Q. Wouldn't the presence of pre-conditions let homosexuals "off the 
hook," so to speak? 


A. Preconditions make it easier to sin in a particular area. They do 
not excuse the sin. We can draw a parallel with alcoholism. 
Alcoholics often experience a genetic or environmental pre-condition, 
which makes it easier for them to fall into the sin of drunkenness. 
Is it a sin to want a drink? No. It's a sin to drink to excess. 


All of us experience various predispositions that make it easier for 
us to fall into certain sins. For example, highly intelligent people 
find it easier to fall into the sin of intellectual pride. People who 
were physically abused as children may fall into the sins of