[AsburyPark] Re: Thank you everyone who stood up for Asbury!
Is the property where the JDRM exempt from property tax? LMS Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Read it and weep
and we will aid the JSRM in their appeal... People of Faith must unite and protect our rights. The Staff Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] BREAKING NEWS: Court Affirms Religious Zoning Law - JSRM will win appeal
BREAKING NEWS: Court Affirms Religious Zoning Law by James D. Besser Washington Correspondent A federal appeals court in New York has upheld a law protecting religious institutions from undue interference by local zoning authorities in a case involving an Orthodox day school. The controversy, which has raged since 2001, involves the Westchester Day School's plans for a $12 million expansion and complaints by neighborhood residents that the expansion will worsen the area's traffic woes. The three-judge panel, supporting a lower court decision, ruled that Westchester authorities improperly denied a permit application by the school. The case is widely seen as an important test of the 2000 Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA). That law was passed in response to complaints by Orthodox groups and other religious communities that local authorities too often discriminate against religious schools and houses of worship in zoning rulings. The law also protects the religious rights of inmates in state and local prisons. The village of Mamaroneck has not indicated if it will appeal the decision. If it does, the stage could be set for the first major Supreme Court test of the land use provisions of the 2000 law. Orthodox Jewish groups hailed the ruling. "This is a very important decision not just for the Orthodox community, but for religious institutions in the Tri-State area and around the country," said Nathan Diament, public affairs director for the Orthodox Union. "We're pleased that the RLUIPA statute, which we worked so hard to pass, is being interpreted by the courts in the way we intended." Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jersey Shore Rescue Mission
Gabrielleobre, thank you for you frank and informative comment. So may I conclude that you would like for the Jersey Shore rescue Mission to remain in Asbury Park? Would you be opposed to the Lighthouse Mission, now in Long Branch, being forced to relocate, if they loose the litigation between them and the developer, would you be for, against or no position? Thank you M Rogers --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, gabrielle obre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, I guess you guys have been going at it for a > while. New to the list though I have been told about > the cretin mentality that exists here. > > Kevin, who ever you are, you don't have to be evolved > to be an attorney, and obviously you don't have to be > honest. The mission of course does not hate women or > gay people. I know this from direct experience. > > If I weren't a loving person I would describe the SUFA > folk like this; Angry, bitter, fearful, loveless and > low on the evolutionary scale. Think Golem... some of > them even resemble that hilarious pathetic creature. > The ones that don't have the artificial hair, fake > tans and wanna be vibe. They have been waiting > soo long to have valuable assets, because they > know of no other way to create joy than to grasp the > material world. > > > i saw people sleeping by the boat ramp three years > ago, the last man that asked me for money has lived > in ap for thirty years and is a vietnam vet. just say > no if it disturbs you so much, or go move to > middletown if you don't like the hookers. but i don't > think they like gay people there. > > I gotta ask, who do you really think has done more > harm to ap? the homeless or the terry weldons. the > terry weldons are still swimming in ap > > and i have to make one more comment...hopefully there > are some trinity church folks out there. while at gay > pride i actually witnessed a guy from trinity hiss > when he was asked to sign a petition supporting the > mission. as he walked away i saw that the back of his > shirt read "unconditional love" it was stunning, > totally baffling to me. unconditional is > UNCONDITIONAL, no conditions...not love if you have a > lot of money, or if you take a shower every day, or if > you don't ask me for money...unconditional. > > i would like to see them explain to me what Jesus > would say about the homeless shelter. > > cheers! > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New poll for AsburyPark
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to take part in your poll, but I don't see where I can > check either "hell no" or "over my dead body." > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > > AsburyPark group: > > > > Should the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission be allowed to provide > shelter services in Asbury Park? > > > > o Yes > > o No > > o I don't know > > o I don't care > > > > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/surveys?id=2579348 > > > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > > web site listed above. > > > > Thanks! > > > Justified Right Kevin just finished the bible study. He is here now and tells me you do not live in Asbury Park. Is this true? I am trying to collect data and it would be helpful to me, if only Asbury Park home owners make their feelings known. I am not for or against the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission, nor am I for or against the Lighthouse Mission relocating to Asbury Park. I have a short time to gather data for a report I am preparing. Thanks for your help. M Rogers Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: DC Firm Tried to Pan Rev Brown off on Asbury Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:09 PM, justifiedright wrote: > > > - > > Why does the "non-profit industrial complex" around here ignore the > > plight of the poor people of Toms River and insist on coming here? > > > > What really attracts you holy-roller church people to Asbury? The > > night life? Retaurants? The drug scene? The male review at Club > > Paradise? > > > > If your "Mission" passes on going to Toms River, where you are truly > > needed, and you open in Asbury instead, I'll have to conclude its to > > have fun, not religion. > > > > Now that's the best argument I've heard yet. Nice job Tommy. > > Notice people don't have to lie or create numbers that don't exist to > sway people, simply point out the truth. We've all probably seen the > stories of the homeless in the Toms River area. That area is of need > of a shelter more than Asbury Park is. > Hello Gary Wien. I agree that there are many areas in New Jersey as well as our country that need services for people in need. Those services would even be best, when they are not funded by tax payers dollars. How long have you been living in Asbury Park, and is it your opinion that The Jersey Shore Rescue Mission should close in Asbury Park? Are you also opposed to the Lighthouse Mission relocating to Asbury Park, under the threat of eminent domain from lower Broadway in Long Branch? Thank you for your responses. M Rogers Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: DC Firm Tried to Pan Rev Brown off on Asbury Park
Actually, the choice is not mine or yours, but I do understand where you are. You have made your feeling well known. I need to hear from more than a few people on this. So let other people have an opportunity. I know you are against "holy rollers" I also know you are against anymore churches, and non profits. As a resident of Asbury Park you are certainly entitled to your opinion. M Rogers Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: DC Firm Tried to Pan Rev Brown off on Asbury Park
Justified Right, I do not appreciate you making (me) your problem. I agree, there is a problem. I checked with Kevin before I posted this, so I am certain it's true from his perspective. There seems to be roughly 5 people at most who post on this yahoo group that do not get along with Kevin. It also appears your condemnation of Kevin is based on his support of the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission. I am going to buffer this situation as best as humanly possible. We made a decision to speak for the mission in addition to Kevin speaking for himself. Have a nice week end. M Rogers --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It was two years ago. Does that mean it didn't happen? > > The point is another outsider (DC Firm) tried again to dump another > problem (you) on Asbury Park. > > Stay away. You won't like it here. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Lighthouse Mission" > wrote: > > > > Justified Right would be so kind as to include the date on your > > article within your post. > > > > Thank you > > > > M Rogers > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > wrote: > > > > > > To further highlight what I've said for years, outsiders are > always > > > trying to move their problems to Asbury Park so they don't have > to > > > deal with them. > > > > > > Read below how this Washington DC firm trid to dump Kevin > Brown's > > > Mission on us poor unsuspecting Asbury Parkers (imagine him here > > > instead of Mattision Park. Good Lord!!!): > > > > > > > > > Developer reneges on offer, building swap off > > > Brown says he will keep up fight for church in Bwy arts district > > > > > > BY CHRISTINE VARNO > > > Staff Writer > > > > > > LONG BRANCH A local minister believed he was closer than ever > to > > > building a church, but now finds he hasn't got a prayer. > > > > > > Kevin Brown, Broadway, said he was given a list of 45 properties > to > > > look at by Patience O'Connor of O'Connor & Co., Washington, > D.C., > > > who is the developing manager for the redevelopment zone in > which > > > his property is located. > > > > > > He was told to decide whether he wanted to exchange one of the > 45 > > > properties for the building he owns on Broadway, where he has > been > > > trying to establish a place of worship for the past 10 years. > > > > > > There were 35 properties located in Asbury Park, seven in Long > > > Branch and three in Keyport. > > > > > > "I actually found one that I liked in Asbury Park," Brown > said. "I > > > viewed about seven or eight of the suggested properties." > > > > > > "The building I liked was a little smaller than what I own [on > > > Broadway] and it needed just as much work." > > > > > > The building that Brown said could have been the possible future > > > site of his church, The Lighthouse Mission, is located on Bond > > > Avenue and was once a bank. It is located on a 3,000-square- foot > > lot > > > with 6,000 square feet of occupancy space. > > > > > > "It is half of what I have on Broadway, but it was suitable," > Brown > > > said. > > > > > > The building that Brown owns is on a 5,000-square-foot lot with > > > 11,000 to 12,000 square feet of occupancy space. > > > > > > "The buildings I was viewing ranged in cost from $600,000 to > $1.2 > > > million," Brown said. "The building I liked was $850,000. Now > > > [O'Connor and the developers] are saying this is too much > money." > > > > > > Brown said that O'Connor was scheduled to meet with the > developer > > to > > > discuss the swap of properties. > > > > > > "I did not hear from them for two weeks," Brown said. > > > > > > "I got a call [May 4] and was told that the deal was off and > they > > > were going to have my property [on Broadway] appraised. That is > not > > > credible." > > > > > > Brown said this could be the beginning of eminent domain > > proceedings > > > for his property, but not the end of his fight to establish a > > > c
[AsburyPark] Re: DC Firm Tried to Pan Rev Brown off on Asbury Park
Justified Right would be so kind as to include the date on your article within your post. Thank you M Rogers --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To further highlight what I've said for years, outsiders are always > trying to move their problems to Asbury Park so they don't have to > deal with them. > > Read below how this Washington DC firm trid to dump Kevin Brown's > Mission on us poor unsuspecting Asbury Parkers (imagine him here > instead of Mattision Park. Good Lord!!!): > > > Developer reneges on offer, building swap off > Brown says he will keep up fight for church in Bwy arts district > > BY CHRISTINE VARNO > Staff Writer > > LONG BRANCH A local minister believed he was closer than ever to > building a church, but now finds he hasn't got a prayer. > > Kevin Brown, Broadway, said he was given a list of 45 properties to > look at by Patience O'Connor of O'Connor & Co., Washington, D.C., > who is the developing manager for the redevelopment zone in which > his property is located. > > He was told to decide whether he wanted to exchange one of the 45 > properties for the building he owns on Broadway, where he has been > trying to establish a place of worship for the past 10 years. > > There were 35 properties located in Asbury Park, seven in Long > Branch and three in Keyport. > > "I actually found one that I liked in Asbury Park," Brown said. "I > viewed about seven or eight of the suggested properties." > > "The building I liked was a little smaller than what I own [on > Broadway] and it needed just as much work." > > The building that Brown said could have been the possible future > site of his church, The Lighthouse Mission, is located on Bond > Avenue and was once a bank. It is located on a 3,000-square-foot lot > with 6,000 square feet of occupancy space. > > "It is half of what I have on Broadway, but it was suitable," Brown > said. > > The building that Brown owns is on a 5,000-square-foot lot with > 11,000 to 12,000 square feet of occupancy space. > > "The buildings I was viewing ranged in cost from $600,000 to $1.2 > million," Brown said. "The building I liked was $850,000. Now > [O'Connor and the developers] are saying this is too much money." > > Brown said that O'Connor was scheduled to meet with the developer to > discuss the swap of properties. > > "I did not hear from them for two weeks," Brown said. > > "I got a call [May 4] and was told that the deal was off and they > were going to have my property [on Broadway] appraised. That is not > credible." > > Brown said this could be the beginning of eminent domain proceedings > for his property, but not the end of his fight to establish a > church. > > Brown said he has been unsuccessful in establishing a church because > his building is located in the city's lower Broadway Arts and > Entertainment redevelopment zone, which does not permit church use. > > "They say worship is not permitted in the theater district," Brown > said. "What is a church if not a venue for assembly? > > "If you can assemble for theater, you should be able to assemble for > worship." > > In early April, Brown said he was offered the deal by O'Connor. > > "She suggested to me that it would be great if she could find a > place for me where I could be a minister rather than fighting to be > in a ministry," Brown said. > > According to Brown, O'Connor offered him a swap for his property, > which would call for the designated developers of the zone to > purchase property where a religious organization is permitted in > exchange for purchasing Brown's building. > > "She is not doing what she said she was going to do," Brown said in > an interview last week. > > "So I guess I am staying where I am and I am going to continue to > fight [to establish a place of worship on Broadway in the > redevelopment zone]." > > O'Connor could not be reached for comment by deadline, but confirmed > in an interview in early April that she was in discussions with > Brown. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Lighthouse Mission
Sorry you feel that way, JustifiedRight. However, it is what it is. M Rogers --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You aren't welcomed here. Look somewhere else. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Lighthouse Mission" > wrote: > > > > We are looking in Asbury Park for our relocation facility. > > > > Broadway Arts is aggressively pursueing acquisition of our Long > Branch > > Property. > > > > This is why, our Founder, Kevin Brown is interested in Asbury Park. > > > > M Rogers. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Lighthouse Mission
We are looking in Asbury Park for our relocation facility. Broadway Arts is aggressively pursueing acquisition of our Long Branch Property. This is why, our Founder, Kevin Brown is interested in Asbury Park. M Rogers. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
