Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
not just me, pretty sure the whole board yelled at you during those days. i posted i was done with the topic, beasue it was getting out of hand! it seemed like every message was saying the same thing, and dragging something i said into it. felt the need to reply. sorry about that. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"It was first announced on this board after the fact; and what would you suggest we'd have done to stop it? You think they'd listen to us?" i think i was the first to mention the mulch being installed on here, but could be wrong. the fact that it was going to be done was mentioned weeks before. who knows, it wouldnt have hurt to try. if you dont try, you 100 percent wont get it. i was mostly talking about the posts on here. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"Must have missed the announcement prior to the installation" after the MM "signing" everyone spoke of th things theyd be doing. cleaning up, mulching the open spaces, renovationg the ground flooor of hojo, new store front windows. it was posted a bunch on here, thats why im puzzled here. ahhh, no more mulch threads!!! haha - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
wow, sarcastic?? what exactly is wrong with you. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"Mulch doesn't break down in water. If it clogs the sewers, it needs to be removed. Furthermore, regardless of who paid for it, the point is the pattern of inneptitude on the part of the developers. If they make fundamental mistakes, guess what ?' agreeded. im sure if something happened down the road, the city would end up having to fix it somehow.well, im done with the mulch threads, haha. i think im saying the same thing over. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
" I am amazed how complacent people will be to just accept things > without question instead of wanting the best." me too. if i had such high water concerned like some people on here do, then i would have posted my thoughts on it, or talked to someone for a possiable change (with good reason to back it up). not wait till its done, then start my reasoning. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"totally agree with werner and hinge, their observations in my opinon are 100% correct, it shouldnt of been done, their concerns are legit, not negative, the attitude dont worry about it til it is to late is how we got in this mess, anything is better than nothing attitude is unaccepatable in any town except asbury, lets paint murals, no lets stop fooling ourselves and get on track, thank you' " ahh!! i agree too, it shouldnt have been done. but how do you expalin the fact that everyones talking about it now?? AFTER ITS DONE. "it shounldnt have been done" where were all the posts saying LETS NOT DO IT!?. ...becasue etc. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"Many artists understand the value of anticipating problems before they happen..." your right. i see things before they happen sometimes, haha. i should have a tv show. thats the part about all this mulch business i dont get! how come its all coming out now? after its done? if someone really had water issues, and it was at the top of their minds like this, shouldnt they have spoken up before the mucl was layed? or at least questioned it? and if anyone did, sorry in advance. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"Charlie has stated that he's an artist. Werner" all right? i dont follow. - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"For example - thinking that the boardwalk will be a year-round venue for retail business. Most of the year the Weather is pretty raw at the oceanfront. - Hello ??" i hope that never happens. however, if the boardwalk pavillions are made more ocean ave facing, or open to, anything can suceed i think. the establishments that use to line waterfront made it. the rainbow room, stone pony still, jimmys, netlanes. it has nothing do with being year round retail or year round bars and other facilities. listed above are not retail, yet people cleary attend (attended) them all year. if theres going to be any form of stores, its going to have to be in the casino. leave the boardwalk alone. we dont want "stores" on the boardwalk. not the high end type im picturing like in long branch at least. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"Speaking of art, there is a really cool piece of it on the side of the Stone Pony Annex building. It's a guy in a gas mask. Somebody really went to a bit of trouble to glue that thing up there. I respect that." that is pretty neat. look for more in the future. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"There You Go Again - labeling constructive critcism as "something bad"." constructive talking about something after its done??? thats like painting a car blue, having it leave the factory, then deciding you dont want it blue! constructive critcism is where you take something bad, point out its cons, and then somehow try and make it better!!the idea that grass would have been better was good, thats the right idea. not a constant picking apart of what is bad, with no atempts to make it better. where did anyone express their concerns that this might be a problem? no where! (this is a pretty basic example) remember when the plans for north beach were re designed, taking away some of the more complex features? it didnt fly, people talked about it, and made it stay the way it was orignaly designed. there was a negative problem, people talked, and it was changed. things dont alwasy work out that way, but an effort was made. not waiting till the building was built, then kicking and screaming saying it wasnt built right! anyway, no hard feelings to anyone! i agree grass would have been better for a number of reasons! but i guess the mulch doesnt need any upkeep. less work to maintain. if a problem happens indeed, MM will fix it, and realize their mistake. that was the only point i was making. i in no way ment it like you may have thought, or implyed. saying thats the reason asbury is the way it is. asbury is full of people who dont care, those are the ones that dont belong here. the city will never change as long as people walk around not caring. (on a side note, i agree, grass would have been better. looks better, and probably more usefull then the mulch for a number of reasons. - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"Oh, your not joking. Why am I not surprised. Your attitude reflects the many reasons why AP is in such a mess right now. Don't worry about it right now. If it makes a mess, they will clean it up. Right. I'm sorry, but planting something that would hold up to the elements like planting grass would've been a much better idea. Nobody is going to want to walk on mulch. I agree the mulch looks nice, but it also renders the area it's in off limits." all right, and your attitude also represents why asbury park has the problems it does. that can go both ways. picking apart everything in sight. of course grass would have been better, it would have looked better too. i dont think the mucl looks good at all, it doesnt look like it belongs at the beach. i didnt mean my comment in the way your taking it, but im sure you know that. if something makes a mess, you clean it up. its simple. MM probably didnt think of the posisable flooding that would shift the mulch around. that is their fualt, they didnt know. if the mulch system prooves to be a mess, they will most likely reconsider their ideas. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"No offense, but that really is pretty weak reasoning. There may NEVER be a problem with it, but to say go ahead and do something and only worry about it if it causes a problem down the road doesn't make much sense." of course it was weak. its also weak to think people are now thinking of this, after the fact. no one mentioned this concern once before! i guess they just thougth of it. if it was such a seroous thing, people should have spoken up about it. and if it was a big enough deal to post on this board, how come no one posted about it before the trucsk rolled in? you know, before, when there was a time frame to qeustion it, maybe stop it. ah, i dont know. the concerns are good. i just think its funny how people wait till things are done to speak up sometimes. - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
it was a little of both. i have a 5 foot wide puddle at the base of my driveway too. your not the only one with water problems. most areas tend to back up when it rains. it happsn everywhere. the mulch is a waste if it goes away, yes. the labor spent to put it ther is a waste, yes. however, that has nothing to do with it. you didnt spend your hours to apply it, and you didnt make it. i dont see those two comments fitting in well with all this. anyway, your points are clear, and valid. i think its funny how no one brought this up before. before it was acutally done. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"I am amazed how complacent people will be to just accept things without question instead of wanting the best." i didnt hear anyone once question or question the use of mulch when the idea was first announced. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
i knew someone would come up with something bad, over a potential good thing. (not that your reasoning isnt good. it is. but i wouldnt worry about it right now. if it makes a mess, they wil clean it up.) - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
goood point. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [AsburyPark] A thought about the mulch by the boardwalk.
"The mulch definitely makes the boardwalk area look better, but I wonder what's going to happen if we get hit with a huge hurricane style storm. That stuff is all gonna float away and make a huge mess." ... well, if it happens, worry about it then. not now. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Oldest Ferris Wheel in the United States Returns to Asbury Park
"who said it wont be open this summer?" good point. i guess there is no reason why it cant be re opened. unless that part of the building is now not safe to walk through. not sure how the back half and the hall were connected. is the hall effected? if not, sure it could be opened, if they choose to. theres no way to get to the eastern demolished section, or western construction zone from walking through it. we will see what happens. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Oldest Ferris Wheel in the United States Returns to Asbury Park
i dont think any developers or partys wanted to get invovled with the palace becasue there were too many things going on around it. unsure of what was going on, things changing. it may have been to big of a risk for most. no matter what kind of history or potential it had. the plan didnt call for anything like the palace, or any palace like settings in the area around it. the idea of the palace sitting in the mist of a residential setting may not have been something that sat high with potential investors. dont know. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] what ever happened to
no idea. there were posts from her, and about it. but dont remember the outcomet though. she doesnt post on here anymore either? - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
yes werner, ive noticed all these things before. i dont alwasy post on them, but i have alwasy seen them. i'm an artist, i notice everything! if it stays emtpy for too long, maybe it will catch on fire! isnt that what happeend to the finsihed condos that were there in 80s? they burned right after construction was finished? anyone have any pictures of what they looked like? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Oldest Ferris Wheel in the United States Returns to Asbury Park
the opening of the boardwalk through to ocean grove last summer didnt exactly do much for foot traffic either. and at this point, it doesnt matter if theirs foot traffic or no foot traffic. i guess if you enjoy seeing people, thats one thing. but the people walking around arnt going to do anything for business etc. theres nothing there. i think this summer the hojo pavillion will have things going on though. i do think there will be something in the ground floor of that space, along with a few other stores on the boardwalk (in the same hojo building). MM said there would be, and there has been hard work non stop over there everyday. their working for a goal or some sort, thats certain. the berkely hotel is privately owned, and has been for sometime now. you cant blame the buildings problems on the city. - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
well, its not going anywhere. thats for sure. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Oldest Ferris Wheel in the United States Returns to Asbury Park
"The sad part is that it could have been true if the Palace had not been destroyed. Werner" probably. i dont think it would have ever been used though. wasnt it noted that the steel most likely wouldnt be strong enough to use again? as a operational wheel? i use to follow the sitar farris wheel chronicals website. it was interesting. if MM were serious when they said rides on the open spaces on the boardwalk, then the wheel could be put together on a site, just for looks. maybe attached to a building somehow. its in pretty bad shape over at the golf course though, so who knows. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
i never saw so many pure white air vents on the front face of the building in my life. if they have to be there, thats fine, but why would you make them white if the building is not. isnt the idea to have them blend in? if its one, have it white. but when theres literlay about 300. dont get it. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Oldest Ferris Wheel in the United States Returns to Asbury Park
ha ha - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall - (was lights)
"It already happened, people came in '05, saw it wasn't ready (and won't be for some time), and stayed away in '06. I was there, I witnessed the decrease in foot traffic on the boards. Don't be surprised if there is a lack of publicity, because there is a lack of viable business. In the name of consistency, the developers will still not do it right; but are probably already to taking this season on the chin. Let's hope it's in the interest of rehabilitating things to make the '08 season viable." excatly. all the talk, then everyone came running. yet, nothing was there. it was too early. you can promoate the rise of asbury parks boardwalk, when nothing has risen. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall - (was lights)
"MM's deal in CH is not the same as the rest of the BW. Partners is still involved there." yes, i know. AP will probably alwasy been invovled there. but if MM comes in, even a little. i think things will change. youd think MM would want to be invovled, if they are truely going to be doing the other entertainment stuff. it could proove to be a usefull building for their future plans. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
the sidewalks on the western side are almost done. all the lights are in, benches, and trees should be coming soon. theres not going to much more "bussy work" left! we will see what happens. it will soon be more obvious that nothing is going on. there wont be any need for workes to be walking around outside, if theres nothing to do. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall - (was lights)
"Ture. Wires could have had to re run. Unless Werner was there, I don't see how he can insist he is right." he could very well be right. but unless he was there, then theres no way he knows for sure what happened! i doubt he was there, being he wasnt clear on what lights we were talking about at the begining of this thread. if he had been there during the "turning of the switch", then this topic should have been up front in his head. oh well, no offence anywhere. werners knowledge about the city is very good, and he knows a lot. its clear the city doenst want his imput too much, becasue they know the plan changes things, and he would be there protesting things if he were too connected. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Yes Werner -Thank You.
werner, you do have a lot of smarts. your usally right. sometimes people dont see what you see, or maybe its just that they dont want to. its obvious that the beachfront isnt going by the "rules" of how asbury was built and formed. things have changed. the flared avenues brought back the classic looking asbury park. although, i liked the big open roads full of blacktop. i could do without the grassy traingles in the middle. just my opinion though. it felt more open with the bigger roads. the closing of lake is the worst part so far. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall - (was lights)
"What about the general lack of publicity about this upcoming summer in general. I'd like to think that some kind've PR would be appropriate about everything that is "happening" in AP." i think its too soon to do any form of marketing. someone else said this awhile back too, but not sure who. market what? theres nothing there. you want to attrack people to teh beachfront, for what? people know there are things being built, and changes in effect. they read about it in the pappers, or online, so they come to check things out. this message group alone gives people a reason to come see whats going on. you need to market developers, and other partys about asbury park. give them ideas on what can be built, or what could be done. you dont really want people coming here in the way i think you mean. theyd come here, walk the boardwalk, and leave! the things that do exist on the beachfront people already know about. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall - (was lights)
"I thought I clarified that - No-one DID anything other than flip a switch. Werner" do you know that for a fact? if you do, perhaps im wrong, and sorry in advance. becasue the last times these lights were turned on, they were missing bulbs and not all were working right. this was a few years ago. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall - (was lights)
" I appreciate your optimism for the work of MM and hope that you are right in thinking that Asbury Park is on the right path because they're now in the picture. Just curious though... aren't you a little disappointed or upset that there really hasn't been much made of an official announcement between MM and Asbury Partners or MM and Asbury Park? If they really are running things now, why haven't they told people flat out? That's the thing that disturbs me." yes, that is a bit shady. not sure what to make of it. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall - (was lights)
all your points are clear, and true. i think convention hall will be changing in the near future though. how near? i dont know. i think MM will want to be invovled with the building more. everything being done these last few weeks are done with the hands of MM. not a big deal, but the idea that what MM said they'd do, they did. covering the fences for privacy, mulch in the open spaces on the boardwalk, hojo work (tempt, yes. but its making good for the failed job asbury partners did.). i suspect the paramount stairs were the work of MM too. i dont picture asbury partners doing it out of no where. i think the convention hall "crown lights" being operational were the work of MM too. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Paramount Entrance
a ha! yes, i noticed you didnt leave your views on it. interesting points, and true. they probably chose to work on it, so that whole courtyard area will be new looking. they said that whole area would be done with the same time that that hojo ground floor would be done. i guess they figured thats a straight view out of the hojo downstairs windows. makes sence kind of. i see your points though. the windows are on their way, arnt they? - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Entrance to Paramount Theater Demolished
the new entrance will probably be larger. i think it will give the paramount a more noticable entrance. for such a big important place, the previous set up didnt do much for it. who knows, we will see what happens. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Entrance to Paramount Theater Demolished
was that the orignal entrace to the paramount? whoever is behind it, probably MM, maybe they have better plans. i doubt asbury parnters did this on their own. it seems like more and more things are being worked on now that MM is invovled. ill check it out tomorrow. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [AsburyPark] convention hall lights
werner, the blinding modern lights you were talking about on conention hall. were you talking about the ones on the front, under the arches? that is the work of asbury partners though. maybe MM will replace them in time? - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [AsburyPark] An observation about negative vs. postive posting on this board
"Why is it that posts about positive things happening in AP rarely become a thread compared to things like posts about the Convention Hall lights? Of course, I started a thread about some successful music events etc but nobody has anything to add. Even though AP still has many things to deal with going forward, shouldn't we at least acknowledge that it's not all bad? " thats pretty much the exact same thing i said a few weeks ago. about how only negative things are mentioned, and rarley the postive. and the posts about the negative only seem to make the bad worse. i think it just depends on the topic, and the people reading it at the time. some things are of more interest then others. just depends what people are interested in at the time i guess. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [AsburyPark] convention hall lights
"The lights on Convention Hall have been on in the past. They were on about 5 years ago during the summer all of them. I also remember when they were on all the time in the summer growing up as a kid. During the boat shows back in the 80's they were on all the time." i dont know about the 80s, but i remember 5 years ago when a few were on. i posted on here about it i think. back then, a few on the front facade of the building were on. now all are on, around the whole building. even the side facing the ocean. - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall lights
"Naaa, just flip a switch on some new lights that have been there for years and get everyone all excited." the lights your talking about have been there for years, corrent. and their always on. nothing new. dont jump to conclusions next time. :-) - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall lights
"MM is serious about doing the restoration. They are hiring a plaster restoration mason for the Paramount." oh really? whered you hear this from? that sounds good. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury was rock city this weekend
someone had to have noticed. hopefully. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall lights
"The lights have been there for years !! Someone just flipped a switch." im not trying to debate you here, or argue, but if someone just flipped a switch, how come the ones on the front werent turned on too? im thinking becasue they didnt work right, just like 5 years ago in a sad attempt they tryed to turn the siwtch and only had 2 come on (barley). either way, they look good. reffering to the "crown shapped lights" on the points of the building. that was the first wording choice i chose to discribe them as. crowned, meaning a topping. everyone seemed to get what i was talking about. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall lights
werner, stop jumping to conclusions! were not talking about the same thing here! - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: convention hall lights
"Garden State Film Festival and MM." im leaning more towards MM. they probably said enough, things need to get done! wasnt the garden state film festival in asbury last year too? they didnt get the lights running for that year, so i pretty sure it was all MM. maybe MM did it for the GSFF though. who knows. it looks great either way. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: charms building
"Another example of how the WRP WAS VIOLATED. The plan held that there must be at least two variations of a facade along a single block. Look at Wesley Grove. No variation/ One monolithic facade." exactly. i think the building looks all right, westly grove. however, i would have liked to see it looking more like seperate buildings. i hope future buildings, like the phase two project accross the street, and the site just west will be different. i doubt it. but we will see. it cant cost hat much more to divide the front up to resemble different buildings.. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Golddigger - R.I.P.
yes, what you said is accurate. however, it makes more sence when you read the whole thing at once, and not leave off follow up sentences. the point was, asbury parnters arnt doing what they said they would. everyone knows that. if your sitting around waiting, or wondering why their not doing anything, my wording answers that (in my oppinoin). asbury parnters dont want to, they probably want nothing to do with it. their just waiting around untill the right people come along to take ove whatever land of accents they give them. "your right... there not. they own the land and sell it off to developers to develope. its clear now, and has been for a few yeares that asbury partners dont really plan on "doing anything" thats fine. as long as they sell of the land to developers who will. anyone whos still talking about asbury parnters arnt doing anything need to get with it.., of course their not. that wasnt part of their plan. look around. now we have MM doing things they said they would. whoever they pass the land off to, will take part in something asbury partners didnt do? " - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Golddigger - R.I.P.
"Charlie, How can you in good conscience post opinions like this? Its fine they haven't been doing anything? Critics need to get with it?" read more carefully werner. i never said it was ok to do so, i simply stated that is whats going on. didnt say it was ok. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Golddigger - R.I.P.
im sure MM will have a plan to follow. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Golddigger - R.I.P.
yeah, ignore that comment. i checked, its not listed. i could have sworn something was planned there. oh well. it lists a ground floor lounge area with fireplace. thats probably what i read before, but it was worded differenlty. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Golddigger - R.I.P.
"I ask you this. Have you ever dealt with them? Have you ever spoken directly with ANYONE who has? Anyone on that long list of disgruntled former associates? Nothing they do should surprise anyone." i know a few people that work there. what problems are you talking about? - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Golddigger - R.I.P.
"Too bad they aren't developers." your right... there not. they own the land and sell it off to developers to develope. its clear now, and has been for a few yeares that asbury partners dont really plan on "doing anything" thats fine. as long as they sell of the land to developers who will. anyone whos still talking about asbury parnters arnt doing anything need to get with it.., of course their not. that wasnt part of their plan. look around. now we have MM doing things they said they would. whoever they pass the land off to, will take part in something asbury partners didnt do? - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Golddigger - R.I.P.
the wont tear down the stone pony. im almost 100 percent sure of it. they claimed they never would. all the recent radio promotions claim "the pony is here to stay, were not going anywhere". aside from that, if something should ever happen, the most theyd do is move the building (in my mind). the "enterainment area" should be ocean ave, and at least over to the stone pony block. is ocean ave still designated as ground floor stores, etc?? north beach, and c8 site both do. but from the outside, youd never guess it. they have a bar and restarnate in the ground floors. the architects needs to make the ground floods look more like "something else" i think. not one building, where youd never guess something was downstairs for visotors. not just housing. do you really think their will be a sign outside showing the bar inside north beach? i doubt it. ocean ave will not have the feeling i thought it would. the ground flood, or whatevers inside the groudn floor of these housing units needs to be more visiable in future designs! theres only 1 or 2 blocks more left for ocean ave. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Golddigger - R.I.P.
"tick tock goes the pony clock poof" ha!! no way. even asbury parnters are not that stupid. thats one thing good they have going for them, and they are aware of it im sure. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chuck, why'd you dodge my question last night?
asburyparkpedaler, i tryed emialing you, your email doesnt work. it bounced back. if you can get it through to me, feel free to. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Level the Pavillions, Start Over, Build Fewer and Open Up the Views from O
the hojo renovation is moving pretty fast. they started hanging drywall today. no idea whats going on though. they appeared to have put up a wall blocking off the boardwalk entrance. yet they installed new doors there. it leands into a small room, with no where to go! maybe they didnt cut the door out yet. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [AsburyPark] Charlie, Where is you positive spin on the 4 prior posts?
"Maybe I used my supreme negative powers of telepathy to incite these people; just to prove you wrong? For those of you not following the thread from last night, Chuck can't understand the focus on the negative in Asbury Park with so many positive things going on here. Now I don't want to be the negative one here, just sharing what I saw in the news IN THE LAST 24 HOURS. " yeah, your one of those people. i figured. i dont know what your talknig about. do not mention my name, and assume you know what i do and what i dont understand. thet topic was redevelopment, not violence related. the point was, people tend to focus on the bad side of things, just for the sake of making bad worse. not for the cause of making the bad better. period. no need to go back and forth, if you want to talk to me, email me. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] Chuck, why'd you dodge my question last night?
asburyparkpedaler, whats your question? - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: steinbach building
"on a different brick topic. the pavillions on the boardwalk. i understand the theory behind painting the pavillions, to show change. Wrong Chuck, to save money." im talking about the first paint job, soon, or a year after asbury parnters took over. wasnt that to show that they were here, and to give a visiable sign of difference? there were no temp renovatioins done at this point. i dont even think anything was operating down there then. i dont know. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: steinbach building
"Charlie, without repeating your post I think you are missing the point about care of brick. Its not about "looks". There are technical reasons why painting brick is a bad idea. I'll catch up on this later." no, i understand the care of brick. i get you werner! i think maybe i was just mixing too many thoughts up under one topic. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: steinbach building
"on a different brick topic. the pavillions on the boardwalk. i understand the theory behind painting the pavillions, to show change. Wrong Chuck, to save money." im talking about the first paint job, soon, or a year after asbury parnters took over. wasnt that to show that they were here, and to give a visiable sign of difference? there were no temp renovatioins done at this point. i dont even think anything was operating down there then. i dont know. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
Re: [AsburyPark] The Golddigger - R.I.P.
"That Honour now rests with the Stone Pony, formerly known as Mrs. Jay's Resaurant. Circa 1933." now that the stone pony is all thats left on that block, i think its a good time to fight for an extended "entertainment zone" i could be wrong, but wasnt the stone pony site technicaly out of the "zone" but settled that it could remain where it was. i think another bar, music place somewhat like the stone pony (ironcily, exactly like the golddigger. ha!) should be placed there. both leading out to the outdoor stage area. could be a good thing. i went to the stone pony all through out highschool and still go. im 25. i dont want it to ever change or be anything then what it is right now. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: steinbach building
werner, ha! yes, i agree. not painting brick is good. i like brick. unless the brick is behond repair, and painting is the only option. some bricks look good painted too. but agreeed, if your trying to restore something, you wouldnt want to paint it. thats like restoring convetion hall and painting it in the process! i took another look at steinbach today, are you sure the outside was cleaned already? it looks pretty dirty and messed up in parts near the "front door". on a different brick topic. the pavillions on the boardwalk. i understand the theory behind painting the pavillions, to show change. i would not like to see painted brick pavillions on the boardwalk as an end result though! however, im pretty sure there are not, or were there ever, any plans to keep the pavillions as is. meaning, the bricks were never ment to be shown in the end result? is that how you see things going? i picture new bricks, or some other surface covering the new pavilloins. the pavillions now, with the exception of the hojo portion really have no interesting or valuable acents. do they? cut off from ocean ave. with the front needing work too. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Note Seasonal Business
"I heard MM isn't officially signed on yet; just unofficially for media reports. Still testing the waters?" i wouldnt doubt it if they were. who knows. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Note Seasonal Business
"That's because you don't have sources, I do." k.. anything you feel like sharing with the group? - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] steinbach building
yes werner! i know the buildnig is brick. i take back some of my past comments. i didnt mean to angle it towards painting was the way to go. i just noted the coloring of the brick. i didnt realize the outside was arleady cleaned? ive been watched it for years. i guess i missed the tiem period when it was cleaned. or it was so fast, i missed it. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Note Seasonal Business
"I am hoping for the best, but I think MM is in over its head. I don't like what I am hearing. I still want to know - where is the plan? Someone has to have a plan to see if it can be approved. I don;t think they have one. Why?" what have you heard? i havnt heard anything, just what MM spoke of at the city meeting a few weeks ago. i also over heard a conversation between one of the MM speakers and a private person. using ground floor of casino as a food markter. that was the only outside thing ive herad, other then what was spoke of during the meeting. have you heard things from people? like what? or from where? - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Terrible graffitti on the Howard Johnson pavillion
no idea what the pigs mean. i also see a lot of cheese blocks around the downtown. it could be any number of things. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Terrible graffitti on the Howard Johnson pavillion
"Charlie, Graffitti is not all over the city. Your being too negative. Ha! Just joking my friend. " rock, did you just join? it seems your name sprung out of no where. welcome.. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] Charlie are you going to be nice to Roman for his statements or should I?
rook782, what are you talking about? - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Note Seasonal Business
"I agree that piecemeal is not ideal...however regarding HoJo's aren't they now at the mercy of the timelines imposed by the agreement? My sense is Partners wasted so much time that now MM has no choice..." i think anything asbury parnters had agreeded to do, and hasn, MM will do. just because they know it has to be done, and dont want to be connected with any wrong doing. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: What the hell happened to this message board?
who knows. read what you want, deleate what you dont. it seems to work fine. the online world is not perfect. the board was better years ago though, when things didnt go so far off topic. i think it has to do with certain people that now post on the list. if you dont answer them... or reply comments back to them.. things will be all right. you know the type of comments im talking about, the ones YOU KNOW will inspire them to say more stupid things. why say it, if you know the outcome?!!? so you can complain about them later? after you inspired it! maybe "your" the problem! ha. (not directed to anyone, just general thinkings!) - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Still waiting
the colors are the same of the images that have been online for months, even before it was built? i didnt hear anyone talking about colors back then. it was obvious what the colors would be. - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Still waiting
i thought everyone was satisfyed with the way north beach was looking? or will look? no? i dont think it looks cheap in anyway. its also real stucco, not the stucco over foam board. you can tell the real from the fake, up close or far away. im glad they went with the real. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: My new neighbors?
also, there are a lot of people on here. they come and go. if you go back a year ago, different people were typing over the majority of the ones that are typing now. and go back to 99, well, they dont exist anymore! dont know where they went. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] My new neighbors?
welcome to the board jim. the board has its ups and downs. its mainly used to show different peoples views and ideas regarding different topics. its been up since 99' people come and go. just post your comments, yull be sure to get feed back. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"Good idea about calling. I'll do it tomorrow on my lunch break and report my findings here." ill stop into the office in person. we can compare our stories and see if we get the same one - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"do you have a job hingy? you need a new hobby...this board is consuming you..." its comments like that, that make me wonder about the world. what the hell happened. get a life. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
" It just seems strange to methat it's still not finished, and there is hardly any activity going on there at all." oh ok. i thought you were talkng about nyc, sorry. yes, it is strange that its not done. i strongly suspect their waiting on something. so now their working on outside things, the planters, sidewalks, lights, trees, benches, etc. they need to be done anyway, so its not useless work. and you dont need many workers for that, given why you dont see many. the inside hasnt been touched in a long time though. no drywall on any floors. thats the hold up! - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
i dont know. maybe its an asbury park thing maybe. now that i think about it, the new mariot (sp) hotel that went up near me. off route 66, near the home depot in neptune. that seemed to have gone up pretty fast. not sure how it was built, or maybe there werent as many underground tactics used. i dont remeber seeing any pileings drilled, or anything like that. so maybe its different circumstances. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"Why doesn't someone stop in the sales center and ask or call." a ha! good idea. istead of everyone spectulating whats going on, what isnt. i'll stop in tomororw, if i get a chance. i think its too late to call now. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"I absolutely have a place to say that. Prior to moving to AP, I lived in Edgewater, which is up north on the Hudson, directly across from NYC. I saw many many projects, most bigger, completed in much less time. I can't help but observe Weasley Grove. It's right outside my window." so your coparing asbury park to projects you watched go up in nyc? i somehow think projects in nyc go up faster, just because of where their located. along with other factors. but, i could be wrong. i picture a standard project in the suburbs being a lot different then a large project in the city. things take time in general. look how long its taken the c8 site to get going? im acutally surprised people didnt start complaining about how long its taking. its been months. maybe they learned their lesson once, from what happened with the north beach project. the groudn stages take time. its not something thats as visiable as other aspects of the projects. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"Hey, i'm just calling it like I see it. I've lived in AP in direct view of Weasley Grove for a year now. That project should've been completed by now. Every morning when I walk my dog near there, I see maybe a handful of workers, mostly doing nothing. For a project like that to take more then a year to be completed is pretty sad." you sound like an observer. do you really have a place to stand and say "that should have been done a year ago?" people said teh same thing about north beach. just a month or two ago. drastic changes come, and they come fast. north beach went from looking no where near being done, a month later, totally almost being completed. its understandable people want things done, and they want them done. but thats not how things work. ANYWHERE. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"Dan reports that there is a rumor they are looking to bail. Lets not forget how worng his sources are." oh ok, thats the answer to the question i just asked in my last post. i think its clear their waiting on a certain company to do the drywall and interior work. EVERYTHING else possiable is being done. meaing, everything else that can be done is being done. INSTEAD of waiting around doing nothing. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy work being done to give the impression that something is going on" interesting idea, but im not sure thats the case. new developer taking over, or the same one, i think the work is going as fast as it can. the whole thing is pretty much done, isnt it? drywall, lights and floors?thats pretty much it. i think their waiting on something. (waiting for someone else to take over, or for a certain company to have time to do it. who knows!) i dont think the work being done is a smoke screen, to keep busy work. thats work that needs to be done, and this is the time when it should be done. the project seems to be going in order. very slow though. who ever it was that said a posisable new developer is taking over. whered you get that possiable information from? just wondering. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
if its true that a new owner of operation is coming into the picture. it would be good to start over, haha. at lest the ocean grove side. but we all know that will never happen. no developer in their right mind would tear down something brand new like that. and i doubt theyd edit it any. theres not much you can do really. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over construction? Or do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again?" is that a joke? im guessing it is. clearly, the allegded buyer would continute the project. just like the c8 "buyers" started off with plans to reuse what they aquired. that still is a mystery to me. even after it was said that c8 couldnt be saved. they STILL used the plans for the current project that was based off the existing c8! if c8 was never there to begin with, i dont think it would have been designed the way we see it today. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: [AsburyPark] Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
"I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor weeks ago are still broken. " i agree, something is clearly causing the delay. it seems like most of the work is being focused on the outside though. there for sure is work being done on the western side. new planters, the western side of the buildings sidewalks are also being worked on. work in the courtyards and "driveway" courtyards also. nothing is drywalled on the inside. maybe their wiating for the drywall to be delivered? the broken window could be on order also, who knows. i had a problem with one of my newly installed windows and it took 3 weeks for that one window to get here. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: benches
bjc223 - good points. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: benches
just debating the facts with my other posts. trying not to lean one way or another. i think the benches are new and different. if they had backs on them id be happier though. all the lights in front of wesely grove seem to fade away into the building when you drive down the street. however, the ones on the avenues flowining onto ocean ave might not blend in as nicely, as werneer pointed out, about open views. the ones on ocean ave will also fade away i tihnk, once the pavillions are re done, giving your eye something else to graviate toawards. also when the "rides" fill in the empty space areas. i think all the lights give the area a more people friendly atmosphere. something i think was part of the goal. people level lights, in attempts to make the streets feel more welcoming to walkers. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: benches
when the new casino was built, did anyone question why it didnt resemble the old one? or at least build off from it? the new, current one, looked entirely different. were there no historians back then? or didnt anyone care. is today's historic attributions based more on nostalgics? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: benches
i do remember your name from all those years ago bjc223. now that i think about it! i think the "play ground by the sea" when it comes to asbury park was lost years ago. decades. it lingered on, but i think those were mosty memories sparked by what your eyes saw. what they saw that was left. i dont think any developer would have come in to return it to the exact same way it was before. now that a lot of the big projects have been started, and MM is on board. i think theres a chance that something will happen that might take it back to something most remember. i hope your not implying its unique sence was lost by the new lights and street lights! before it had the most standard highway lights of all! - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: benches
just debating the facts with my other posts. trying not to lean one way or another. i think the benches are new and different. if they had backs on them id be happier though. all the lights in front of wesely grove seem to fade away into the building when you drive down the street. however, the ones on the avenues flowining onto ocean ave might not blend in as nicely, as werneer pointed out, about open views. the ones on ocean ave will also fade away i tihnk, once the pavillions are re done, giving your eye something else to graviate toawards. also when the "rides" fill in the empty space areas. i think all the lights give the area a more people friendly atmosphere. something i think was part of the goal. people level lights, in attempts to make the streets feel more welcoming to walkers. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: benches
"This is exactly what I mean - It's not about what "I like" or what 'you like''. It should be about Asbury Park. I cant believe that this is such a difficult concept to grasp.: i dont think anyone missunderstands your thinking. a lot of people talked about it few weeks ago on here. so what bench would have been best then? pick a style from a past decade, one that held the highest sucsess for asbury park? isnt that kind of like saying, "i like this time period, because." things have always changed in asbury park, have they not? when designs changed in the 50s, no one wanted to reclaim, or keep the ones of the 20s did they? - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: benches
"And just what do you base this conclusion on ? Werner" not sure. no hard facts, just thikings. i think its safe to say when you look around the waterfront the general conclusion is "nothing". sure, the emptiness is nice, and their are some good buildings scattered around. but the general feeling is "nothing". when you add new features like benches or lights, they stand out. they stand out fo the good or bad, but they stand out becasue there is nothing of the same quality anywhere near them. take a look at westly grove, the side facing cookman. it looks like an almost completed city block. clealry it stands out, becasue everything else around is desolate/ incomplete or run down and falling apart. once everything is completed to the degree of the wesely grove, the area will feel whole and complete. your eye wont be drawing in on minor things like benches or lights. of course people will stll have their feelings on these things, good or bad. so it looks like your either going to hate asbury park or love it. however, once the whole area has the feeling of being "whole, or complete" i dont think the lights (for those that dont like them) will stand out as much as they do now once the feeling of complete is acheived (and for those that do like them). and if you like the lights, then they will just add to everything, but again, they wont stand out like they do now. there are quite a few of them though, so we will see. there are a lot on the old cookman too, but i think their spacing is greater by a few feet. still a lot though. they dont stand out though, maybe becasue their old, and adjusted with the eye. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: benches
"Do you how many seagulls are going to perch on those damned things and shat all over my car!!! " flat tops have nothing to do with it. every lamp post on the jersey shore has a seagull sitting on it at some point over the summer. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
