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It's interesting that two of the three main architects of the Redevelopment Agreement are under investigation. Lets see if Terry Reidy, Laura Jewels, John Lofferdo, Kate Malina and Kevin Sanders will still run up and embrace Faiella at the council meeting any more. Maybe they think the STAR-LEDGER made the stories up.
Ms. Nevin told the old council and Mr. Reidy a long time ago about Faiello track record in Newark. All Nevin got was blank looks and a smirking Faiella in the audience. The charismatic and shrewd Faiella knew he had the council and city manager eating out of his hand. Nancy Shield and the Press, as for as anybody knows did nothing to follow up on the story.
Will Laura Jewels or Terry Reidy cut Al Faiella from any lists just like they did to some taxpayers at the C-8 Implosion on May 3? Loffredo said at the following council meeting he personally happy that group of taxpayers where cut from the list. Jewels was not forth coming what she said about the cut list of taxpayers in front of 8 men at a C-8 demolition meeting.
Will Jimmy Arron head up a defense fund for Faiella soon?
Will John Lofferdo feel uncomfortable if Faiella show up at another campaign fund raiser. It interesting that Lofferdo and his running mates accepted and kept Faiello and his wife campaign donations till just a couple of weeks before the end of the last May election? Honest mistake? Lofferdo campaign accepted money from people all over the country according to an article in the press.
How come the Partners are not running thousands of dollars of ads in the Coaster this year like last year?

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Al Faiella - This is the Sort that AP Does Business with






In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:27:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I hate being unnecessarily positive, particularly when it comes to> Fishy business; however, ya gotta give Faiella some credit here, after> all, how many divorced couples do any of us know that continue to live> together for the sake of their children>I think you mean to say the financial sake of their children. BTW, I sent my post and the link to the Faiella story to the council. No answer as of yet.
Like the Letter that John wrote for the three stooges to the Press and the Coaster, Faiella or the Partners did not write the response (Script) for them.




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: House 4 Sale






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I would take that with a grain of salt of that neighbor is Loffredo. He said the same thingabout the Triangle but changed his mind the next week.
Loffredo is not the neighbor. But I'm sure J. L. will be glad to see this family move out of town. Seems John and Kate where only so happy to bad mouth him during the election, forgetting all the good thing the seller did for this town. Goes to show you the best qualified man does not always get elected for the council.
 
 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] House 4 Sale





This notice was posted on the other  AP list.   
I'm aware this is not a Bargain Hunter & Home Guide, but I believe someone on this list will ask why this house was not posted equally on both  AP list. 
 
Friend's of mind just put their house up for sale on Friday. 
It's located at 1514 3rd Ave. Sign on the lawn. (MLS 10082398)
It a nice center hall colonial, 3 bedroom plus a small room with a window used as a large walk-in closet. Corner lot, nice floor plan, full basement, and lots of real nice neighbors. Anybody looking for a great deal may want to look at this house. 
Their neighbor, who happens to be a local realtor told them the house was under priced @ ($465,000.00), he would have listed it for 500,000.00.
Next week the house is going to have a brokers open house. 
 
I only buy fixer uppers
 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] antagonists react to report on eminent domain

2006-05-19 Thread gtscarano212

Long Branch antagonists react to report on eminent domain
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/19/06BY CAROL GORGA WILLIAMSCOASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU
State Public Advocate Ronald K. Chen made friends when he came to Long Branch two weeks ago to tour the redevelopment areas and visit with those affected by eminent domain, the people he met say.
But opinions are divided on whether his report, released Thursday, goes far enough in addressing the controversial practice.
Mayor Adam Schneider said Chen's recommendations "sound reasonable."
But for Frances T. DeLuca, who lives in the Marine Terrace, Ocean Terrace and Seaview Avenue area commonly known as MTOTSA, any document that permits the continuing use of eminent domain, however limited, is problematic.
Chen makes two key points in his report.
One is: "Unfortunately, in New Jersey, the current laws governing the use of eminent domain for private redevelopment do not adequately protect the rights of tenants and property owners."
The other is: "The Department of the Public Advocate believes, however, that redevelopment of truly blighted areas is a legitimate public purpose that serves the greater good by helping revitalize communities and create more opportunities for residents."
Defining "blighted"
Bill Potter of the statewide Coalition Against Eminent Domain Abuse said Chen, a constitutional lawyer, did much to refocus the debate on constitutional arguments. Those arguments include what leaders meant by a very specific definition of blight in 1947 and in 1949 when the Legislature first attempted to define the term. In the 1992 Housing and Redevelopment Law, blight was changed to "an area in need of redevelopment" and the definition became vague.
"If the advocate's position were law today, or was being interpreted by courts that way, we wouldn't see all of this eminent domain abuse in Long Branch or Asbury Park or Lodi," Potter said.
He predicted lobbying by developers, the New Jersey League of Municipalities and local officials who don't want the law changed.
"I anticipate — what's the _expression_ — a long hot summer," he said.
Because of New Jersey's population density, aggressive land preservation and smart-growth policies and with efforts to channel growth into cities and towns that have already been developed, the prosperity of New Jersey's communities "is more reliant on redevelopment than perhaps any state in the nation," Chen writes.
But why should current residents have to suffer because of that, asked DeLuca, who supports Chen's call for better public notice when municipalities are attempting to declare an area a redevelopment zone.
"This is not done because you want space," DeLuca said. "This is done because the oceanfront is prime real estate . . . If we're running out of land, we should stop building."
On fair compensation
William Giordano, whose family owns a home in the MTOTSA community, also believes it is wrong to use eminent domain to take the property. But he was gratified to learn Chen's report includes provisions for increasing compensation for homes that are taken.
Schneider said Chen's proposals, while varying in some specifics, would not change in substance the way Long Branch approached redevelopment more than 10 years ago. Long Branch was in a unique position because its governing body had the staying power to see it through, which is unlikely to occur nowadays because of the controversy over eminent domain, he said. But except for the last three years, Long Branch's redevelopment has been without controversy, Schneider said.
"He's acknowledging, from the sound of it, revitalizing is for a public purpose," Schneider said of Chen. "Once you acknowledge that, most of the arguments that have been made against what we have been doing fail."
Assemblyman Michael Panter, D-Monmouth, said he was pleased Chen addressed eminent domain but said his recommendations didn't go far enough. Panter said his bill (A-537) would prohibit the use of eminent domain for redevelopment of all properties that are up to code.
Michelle Bobrow, whose seasonal home in Beachfront South could be seized by eminent domain, said she thinks the report is "a good start."
"It will level the playing field so that developers and municipal governments can no longer define the agenda," she said.
She wants to see the ethics reform that Chen proposed make it through the Assembly Commerce and Economic Development Committee.
"If we eliminate pay-to-play in allowing developers to make sweetheart deals with municipalities, I think we'll go a good way to remedying some of the ills of the situation," she said.
Bobrow is concerned, however, because some members of the Assembly are mayors who rely on the power of eminent domain in their hometowns.
"While they acknowledged a need to change the law, we were told in advance that not everyone would be happy," she said. "If they give us a fighting chance, I'll be happy."

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[AsburyPark] N.J. laws urged to end eminent domain abuse

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N.J. laws urged to end eminent domain abuse

State public advocate says owners need fair treatment
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/19/06BY GREGORY J. VOLPEGANNETT STATE BUREAU 
TRENTON — The state needs to make it more difficult for government to use eminent domain for redevelopment and require fairer compensation for those whose property is taken, state Public Advocate Ronald K. Chen said in a report released Thursday. 
The report — Chen's first charge as the state's first public advocate in more than a decade — says current eminent domain laws "do not adequately protect the rights of tenants and property owners." 
The way the law reads now, Chen said, even his Berkeley Heights home could be subject to eminent domain if township officials decided they could get more ratables. 
"We must ensure the rights of New Jersey families are protected," Chen told the Assembly Commerce and Economic Development Committee, adding that the state's eminent domain regulations need serious reform. 
The process "must be for redevelopment and must be limited to truly blighted areas," Chen said. "Under current laws, a family can have its property taken but the compensation it receives may not be enough to allow that family to ever own a house in their community again. This is unconscionable." 
A U.S. Supreme Court ruling last year in a lawsuit against New London, Conn., gave wide latitude to local governments wanting to seize private property to promote economic development. 
List of recommendations 
The report, issued in response to that ruling, recommended several legislative changes, including: 
More specific and objective definitions of the term "blighted." 
Clearly written notice to residents who may lose their property. 
An appeal process for residents whose property is deemed blighted. 
Offering residents the opportunity to rehabilitate their properties themselves. 
Relocation plans for displaced tenants. 
Compensating homeowners whose sites are taken by the amount it would cost to buy similar property elsewhere in town. 
Stricter pay-to-play laws limiting campaign donations by redevelopers. 
Chen released his report online, then presented it before the Assembly panel, which has been holding hearings this session on whether to change redevelopment laws. 
Both Sen. Ronald Rice, D-Essex, chairman of the Senate Community and Urban Affairs Committee, and Assemblyman John Burzichelli, D-Gloucester, committee chairman in the lower house, said they are preparing legislation to prevent abuse of eminent domain powers. 
Gov. Corzine, who was only briefed on the report, said he "probably had a more aggressive position" during the campaign than Chen advocates. He proposed limiting eminent domain to rare and exceptional circumstances. 
"I think there is hope" 
Michelle Bobrow, a Maplewood resident who owns a home in Long Branch and is concerned municipal government may take the latter house, was pleased with Chen and lawmakers. 
"I think there is hope," Bobrow said. "I certainly am optimistic that the process is moving fast enough to save my home and my neighbors' homes." 
Environmentalists, who want eminent domain restricted, said the report was a good solution to abuses of eminent domain. 
"The question will be whether the Legislature implements it," said Jeff Tittel, director of the New Jersey chapter of the Sierra Club. 
Assemblyman Guy Gregg, R-Morris, liked the proposal even though he prefers a public referendum to restrict eminent domain for private purposes. 
"We should put it on the ballot — extreme cases — and we should define it very tightly," Gregg said. 
Chen said he would not advocate abolishing eminent domain nor call for a moratorium until reform is enacted. He said his office will continue to monitor its use but is not yet planning to become involved in individual cases.

  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] City council meeting tonight

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City council meeting tonight. 

  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] FW: Town Meeting stop the violence

2006-05-17 Thread gtscarano212






Please read the attached and see below.  Please pass this on to every Asbury Park resident you know.
 
Asbury Park Town Meeting May 18, 2006
 
Salvation Army   605 Asbury Ave (plenty of parking)
 
Here is the event timetable:
    6:30 PM start time
    6:30 - 7:00 PMRegistration
(instructions will be given for questions to be written on pads of paper distributed)
7:00 PM  Intro Lawson June Jr APCJAB Chairperson.  Intro to
7:05 PM  DC Mark Kinmon  (then introduces Prosecutor)
7:15 PM  Monmouth County Prosecutor Valentin (who hopefully will stay)
7:30 PM  Officer Torres JJC presentation
8:15 PM  Dr Gunther  (introduced by Jerry Hamlin)
9:00 PM  Questions and Answers  (read by APCJAB Secretary)
 
It is the APCJAB's hope that the Prosecutor and Speakers will stay for questions and answers.  We think it is important.  What better way to get a "feel" for the community then to hear them and their concerns.  It will be a long night, but hopefully a productive one!
 
 any questions call Lawson June 732-988-3269  
GREETINGS FROM ASBURY PARK Pam 

  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Property owners need protection.........

2006-05-04 Thread gtscarano212





Property owners need protection
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/4/06Eminent domain — the taking of private property for public use — is as much about people as it is about property. 
It's about George Salamone, at 96 probably Neptune City's oldest taxpayer, worried about whether he will have to sell his home of 65 years because it is located in the borough's redevelopment zone. Or Grace Cangemi, whose four-family Long Branch house was lost to eminent domain for the new Pier Village parking garage. Her family is still challenging in court the "just compensation" awarded for the taking. 
It's also about municipalities luring development to increase the tax base and the town's commercial-residential mix, ostensibly for the economic good of all residents, and condemning properties that stand in the way. 
The use of eminent domain for economic development when it involves owner-occupied residences and businesses cannot be justified, philosophically or morally. Eminent domain should be primarily limited to its traditional purpose — acquiring property to build highways, bridges, schools, hospitals and other clearly public uses. 
Swift action is needed in Trenton. Lawmakers should overhaul the state's redevelopment law to ensure that blighted areas are clearly defined and that all parcels, such as the Salamone home, are considered individually when declaring an area in need of redevelopment. And they must ensure that satisfying the constitutional mandate of "just compensation" for people like the Cangemis goes beyond the value of the land at the time of the taking. It must consider the value of the property after it is redeveloped and allow the property owner to recoup the costs of relocating and any legal fees incurred in challenging the taking. 
Eminent domain abuses and efforts to correct them were the focus of the Press' series "Private Property/Public Gain: The Battle Over Eminent Domain," which ran Sunday through Tuesday. The issue has not escaped Gov. Corzine's attention, who said Tuesday that reforming eminent domain use is a top priority. He has told Public Advocate Ronald K. Chen to recommend reforms quickly, a report that will signal how aggressively Chen will advocate on behalf of the public. 
New Jersey is among 40 states considering eminent domain reform, so Chen and the legislators have many sources to draw upon. They should take a particularly close look at reforms approved recently in Indiana and Georgia. Indiana flatly prohibits the condemnation of private property for economic development. Georgia has tightly defined "blight" — primarily as a danger to public health or safety — and requires individual parcels, not just a whole area, be designated as "blighted" before being subject to condemnation for private development. 
Legislators in New Jersey are calling for a moratorium on eminent domain for redevelopment projects. Assemblyman Michael J. Panter, D-Monmouth, says he will introduce a bill for a 24-month halt while lawmakers consider reform. That's too long. A tighter time frame, perhaps a year, would put pressure on the legislators to act on their own or on Chen's recommendations. 
Corzine's ability to issue a moratorium is limited to "dire emergencies." Eminent domain, however important, doesn't qualify. But the governor can stop state government from exercising eminent domain for private development, which Panter said would send a message indicating how he feels about the practice to the municipalities, where most of the condemnations take place. Corzine should follow up on this suggestion. 
Property owners like Jo-Ann Kalaka-Adams must have a voice. Her furniture restoration business in Long Branch is threatened by eminent domain. "If someone doesn't want to sell their property, I don't understand why they are being forced to do it," she said. Neither do we. Trenton must put an immediate end to the abuse. 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Ordinance - Public Hearing - Exceed Budget "C A P "



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07:00 pm City Council Regular Meeting  
 
Public Hearing tonight - 2006 Municipal Budget




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Eminent domain "a tool of last resort"

must be bridled
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/3/06Lillian and Louis Anzalone have lived in their white bungalow on Ocean Terrace in Long Branch, a block away from the beach, for 46 years. Frances T. DeLuca's family has owned homes on the same street since 1918. Their residences are among 36 private properties Long Branch wants to seize -- using its power of eminent domain, taking property for public use - for redevelopment of the area into oceanfront condominiums.As highlighted in the Press' three-day series "Private Property/Public Gain: The Battle Over Eminent Domain," which concluded Tuesday, this property rights campaign is playing out most forcefully in Long Branch. Mayor Adam Schneider calls the use of eminent domain "a tool of last resort." But he says the area where the Anzalones and DeLucas live is blighted, one of the criteria under the state's developer-friendly redevelopment law. So, the city is seeking to condemn the properties of 24 of the 36 homeowners who have not agreed to sell to the developer of Beachfront North Phase II.The homes along Marine Terrace, Ocean Terrace and Seaview Avenue are not blighted. It is an area of small, well-kept houses. It is morally reprehensible for Long Branch to force the people who live there out of their homes. They have stayed with the city through good times and bad. Casting them aside is no way to say "thank you." Schneider should renegotiate the city's contract with the developer and see that the plan is redesigned so that the developer can maximize his profits without interfering with this established neighborhood.Eminent domain should not be applied for economic development at the expense of owner-occupied residences or businesses. It's not fair to residents or merchants -- taxpayers all - who have devoted their lives to the municipality.The battle that pits property rights against economic development is not isolated to Long Branch. It is a national issue. As detailed in the series, it is also being fought along the Jersey Shore in Asbury Park, Neptune and Neptune City.In Asbury Park, Araxy Gokberk fears that her three-story house on Sixth Avenue, which her parents bought 50 years ago, will be targeted for the city's waterfront redevelopment project. It would be just as wrong for master developer Asbury Partners to move against her home as it is for Long Branch to try to displace the Anzalones and DeLucas.Development advocates have been heartened by the U.S. Supreme Court ruling last year in a case from New London, Conn. That 5-to-4 ruling extended the traditional definition of public use under eminent domain -- generally roads, bridges, schools, hospitals -- to anything serving the greater public good, improving the economy and generating new tax revenue. That's far too broad.The New London ruling has put eminent domain on the national agenda, too. New Jersey is among 40 states that are considering or have enacted legislative reforms of eminent domain laws. The House of Representatives has passed a bill restricting federal funds to states or towns that use eminent domain for commercial development.New Jersey's Legislature must act to bring equity to the state's redevelopment law. The definition of blighted land must be clear. And the law must provide standards of "just compensation" to property owners whose homes are already targeted and in those rare occasions when eminent domain is justified.The tool of eminent domain cited by Schneider is really a hammer over the heads of the homeowners. Once their home is targeted, their property value is frozen. All they can do is negotiate with the developer based on the current use of the land. That, too, is unfair. It's unlikely they can find a replacement home for that price and they can't afford to buy one of the million-dollar condos that would rise on their property.For the Anzalones, the $304,000 appraised value of their oceanfront home won't go far. "I could not build a garage for a bicycle for that price," Louis Anzalone said, perhaps exaggerating to make a strong point. For DeLuca, the prospect of condemnation is an assault on the area's history. "You need to leave a little version of what the Jersey Shore looked like before they turn it into Staten Island," she said.These and the other threatened families in Long Branch, Asbury Park and elsewhere grew up there and deserve to remain there.

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[AsburyPark] local leader and activist




JOSEPH J. D'ANDREA JR., 52, of ASBURY PARK
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/3/06JOSEPH J. D'ANDREA JR., 52, of ASBURY PARK, died Sunday, April 30, at Jersey Shore University Medical Center, Neptune. He was an entrepreneur in several business ventures. He was a communicant of Trinity Episcopal Church, Asbury Park. He was a member of the board of directors of The Center, and the Jersey Shore Q-Spot, both Asbury Park. Mr. D'Andrea was born in White Plains, N.Y., and lived in Manhattan before moving to Asbury Park in 2001. 
His mother, Mary Tracey D'Andrea, died in 1997. Surviving are his father, Joseph J. D'Andrea, Gainesville, Va.; two brothers, Thomas D'Andrea of Jersey City, and Richard D'Andrea of Farmingdale, N.Y.; a sister, Mary Lou Capri of Green Brook; and his lifetime companion, Will Elliott. 
The Funeral Mass will be offered at 2 p.m. Saturday, May 20, from Trinity Episcopal Church, 503 Asbury Ave. at Grand Avenue, Asbury Park. There will be no visiting hours. Those wishing to remember him may make contributions in lieu of flowers to The Center, 1206 Main St., Asbury Park, NJ 07712. Woolley Funeral Home, 10 Morrell St. at Broadway, is in charge of the arrangements.

  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] mother of 2 of city bravest & local activest

Sorry to hear that 2 fine police officers mom has pasted away. She left a very good impression on me when she ran for city council. A very extraordinary women.
DOREEN G. MILLER TOWNSEND, of ASBURY PARK
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 05/3/06DOREEN G. MILLER TOWNSEND, of ASBURY PARK, died Monday, May 1, at Jersey Shore University Medical Center, Neptune. Born in Irvington, she lived in Middletown, Arlington, Texas, and Brandon, Miss., before moving to Asbury Park 15 years ago. Ms. Townsend served in the U.S. Air Force as an Airman Third Class and was stationed in Ramstein, Germany. She was a human resource specialist at Fort Monmouth for 16 years at the time of her death. A past deacon with the Presbyterian Church on the Hill, Ocean Township, she also was active in the Asbury Park community.
Ms. Townsend was predeceased by her brother, Charles Miller Jr., in 2005. Ms. Townsend is survived by her mother, Doris Mae Miller; three sons, Aaron Townsend and his wife Laura of Millstone Township, Brian Townsend and his wife Allyson of Jackson, and Nicholas Townsend of Asbury Park; her sister, Charleen Miller Frankie of Interlaken; her brother, Joseph Paul Miller of Green Mountain, N.C.; her four very special grandchildren, Morgan and Sydney Townsend, and Lesley and Garret Townsend; several nieces and nephews; and her former husband, A.J. Townsend.
Visitation will be from 3 to 5 p.m. and 7 to 9 p.m. Thursday at the Johnson-McGinley Funeral Home, 2652 Highway 138 (corner of Route 18 North Entrance), Wall. Funeral services will be held at 10 a.m. Friday at the funeral home, with Pastor Turner presiding. Interment with military honors will follow at Brig. Gen. William C. Doyle Veterans Memorial Cemetery, Arneytown.

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[AsburyPark] My deepest Sympathy

2006-05-02 Thread gtscarano212







Would have written sooner, but dsl is acting up...disonnecting 

I was sorry to hear about Joe. Even if you did not agree with him, I 
myself, always took the time to listen what he had to say on this forum. You did 
not have to be a personal friend of Joe to know how much he loved AP. He 
always had the time to get the facts straight. I'm glad I told him for 
years, I appreciated his input to this group and to the city. His many 
years of gay activism and journalism help propelled AP as a positive place 
to live in. As far as I knew he always had time and energy to pitch in to 
make things right.
When I had a car accident last summer, even when I told him it was OK 
to leave, he stay with me till the police arrived. He would remind me of 
that a few times and I always told him I would have done the 
same, Joe. Joe showed all of us that even if you disagree, it important to stick 
to the facts and listen what the other person has to say. I will miss your good 
points at the council meetings and driving around town.
 
My thoughts and prayers are with Will, his friends and family.
 
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JOE D'ANDREA: Dead at age 52 
BEFORE DEATH: Had chest pain
Leader of gay community mourned in Asbury Park
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 
05/2/06BY NANCY SHIELDSCOASTAL 
MONMOUTH BUREAU 
ASBURY PARK — From the outset 
after he and his partner, Will Elliott, moved to Asbury Park from Brooklyn six 
years ago, Joe D'Andrea buzzed around this city, working to make things right. 
His love for the gay community, of which he was a leader, and of the 
community-at-large, of which he also was a leader, did not end until he was 
rushed to the hospital with chest pains late Sunday afternoon. He died soon 
afterward at the age of 52, apparently of heart failure, touching off a wave of 
sadness in people who knew or had met him. 
D'Andrea maintained the city's Web site, was co-owner of the West21 Systems 
technology company, and was publisher of the gayasburypark.com Web site. 
"Joe's one of our hometown heroes," said Thomas Gilmour, the city's director 
of commerce. "Besides the fact that he worked so hard for the city, he was my 
friend. We had different opinions, but when we left each other, everything was 
settled." 
Gilmour was one of several people who said they saw D'Andrea downtown Sunday 
in the early afternoon the day he died. 
D'Andrea was a prime mover of AP Action, a political action group founded 
early in 2005 by members of the gay and lesbian community to educate people 
about issues and endorse candidates in the city. The group formed a viable 
voting block, and its endorsements won. 
He left the AP Action board of directors recently to focus on finding a home 
for a gay and lesbian community center to be located in the city. 
"He was still very supportive of us (AP Action) and maintained our Web site," 
said Rod Siberine, a board member, on Monday. "For me, it's amazing that all of 
these people who knew him but weren't the best of buddies with him are feeling 
this overwhelming sense of grief. I can only equate that to how you feel about 
people who do great things. He was such a positive force for this town. 
"He had a good sense of humor, and he didn't take himself too seriously," 
Siberine said. "Anybody who knew him, even if you didn't agree with him, you 
could never say he didn't have the best interests of Asbury Park at heart." 
During the past two months, D'Andrea experienced chest pain and told a 
reporter that he was treated at first for an ulcer, and then subsequently was 
found to have major blockage of his arteries. He said he was undergoing stent 
placement procedures and had the last two done on Thursday, said Kevin Russell, 
a close friend who served with D'Andrea on the board of The Center, which 
provides many services for people with HIV and AIDS. 
"He was feeling great until 4 p.m. Sunday when he had a really bad chest 
pain," Russell said. "He died at the hospital. Will was with him. He was joking 
with the ambulance drivers." 
"I always saw him as a very strong activist, always trying to have a strong 
voice for causes he believed in and absolutely 100 percent Asbury Park," said 
Robert DiSanto, president of the city's Board of Education. 
D'Andrea jumped into the fight when DiSanto, who is gay, came under attack by 
another school board member and her husband for his then-job as manager of Club 
Paradise at the Empress Hotel. The city backed 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Sunday APP

2006-04-30 Thread gtscarano212






In the Press today under the description of the Asbury 
plan, it says 6 lots owned by two property owners were acquired by eminent 
domain.  Does anyone know what lots these were and when?  I believe 
according to the plan if land is acquired then it must be developed within a 
year.
 
You are right..I was told by Rita that somebody in city hall 
told her place was on the agenda for Wednesday night. And not by the city 
manager, although why did he not call her?
 
Her and her lawyer response is that she believes that the partners did not 
follow the correct steps to take her place before the process taking them to 
eminent domain by the city?   Does the partners have a paper work to 
ask the city to make a motion? I wonder if the city even follows its own 
guidelines. 
One of her question is why her place and not all the lots on her block were 
brought up at the last meeting. Why could she not just sell her 
land directly to the company that wants to buy the whole block. Why does 
Larry have to be the middleman. Who are his real partners? Or  
puppets. 
She was already told, whom? who has the dibs or already wants to buy 
the whole block. Does this company not want to rock the boat 
(lawsuits) with the city or the partners?
Did the city or Larry find out she was talking to a developer 
directly? 
Are the negotiations in the works for months or just days or 
hours before the public gets the news? 
Maybe some on the council, some of the city employees and Larry feel their 
problems will go away if only the silence the detractors. Why not just 
give Rita and the other property owners the going rate for land and something 
reasonable for the time they paid taxes to the city while others did not. That 
part of my problem with Terry Weldon, the 3 stooges( they must think they 
are the Musketeers), and the Partners . 
New condos, 14 stories high with retail, according to the news will be 
sold for $400,000 - $4,000,000 each. So how valuable is the land that is in 
private hands?
Six years ago under the new plan, the public was told the condo would sell 
for $250,000.00 - $400,000.00 and owners of empty lot(s) may be worth 
$90,000 - $150,000 in the redevelopment zone. I would think if condo 
would now be listed for 10 times the value in six years the land value 
would be close to that or more. Building costs and fuel did not go up that 
much in 6 years? We even have the luck to have a real estate expert on the 
council. 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full story on REI's alleged Ponzi scheme

2006-04-20 Thread gtscarano212








In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey 
  Gerry how far back do these guys go?  I don't really know them.  
  You see the RDR guys around, Fasano everywhere, even Wilson from 
  Sachman is always present.  Gary Klein wasn't really out and about 
  around here. I met him a couple of times and he was really a nice 
  guy.  I liked him.  When you say they were part of the 
  "AP old days" can you be more specific?  Can you tell us more about 
  the things you say they did?Give us the scoop, 
man!

Try to sent you the scoop, and received a message that said it was 
undeliverable? Try calling me. I sent a copy to 
Dan.

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full story on REI's alleged Ponzi scheme

2006-04-20 Thread gtscarano212

I believe the sheriff dept will be handling the liquidation on the
individual properties( holdings).
For further information regarding Sheriff's Sales, call (732)
431-7141 or 7142 (Monday thru Friday from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm) http://www.visitmonmouth.com/sheriff/sale/index.asp or
www.visitmonmouth.com/sheriff or Sheriff Foreclosure Sales
No bargains in years, but up to a few years ago you usually could double
your investments in days when the paperwork was straighten out.
Homes, businesses, and properties in foreclosure
are subject to auction pursuant to court order. Sheriff's sales are held as an
open auction every Monday at 2:00 p.m. in the Hall of Records, 1 East Main
Street, (Freeholder's Meeting Room 2nd Floor) Freehold, NJ.
Is it possible that a company that practice refinancing poor
people mortgages and buying tax liens, a business that left some
poor people on the street may find themselves on the street?
Where will this investigation go since the principals were part of AP old
days and the recent housing boom in town.
It's to bad that this investigations may reassemble the Nancy's
big story years ago in the AP Press. ( House of Cards:
1996-7 ) about Welsh Securities in Parsippany, N. J.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Save the Baronet Theater

2006-04-18 Thread gtscarano212

In a message dated 4/18/2006 6:24:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" 
   wrote:> >> > > >> 
  >What I'm saying is that if we don't get big ratables in 2 years or so 
  I'll taxes will go through the roof and we who live here not vacation 
  here won't be able to afford it. Get it!

The AP Press mention in a recent article that the City 
of Long Branch, with all the new condos on the tax rolls, Long Branch taxes 
when down $0.01 ( one cent ). 
Keep believing in angels and the Partners!

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Save the Baronet Theater

2006-04-18 Thread gtscarano212

In a message dated 4/18/2006 4:30:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred"  
  wrote:Wasn't Rita's place on the market for $300,000 last 
  year?Paradise going to get the same amount of parking spaces in 
  > the > > parking garage that's going to be built on the same 
  lots?> > That would mitigate damages and be a horse of a 
  different color. But > if they have to pay for them or that is not 
  part of the > condemnation, then it does not make a difference. They 
  just have to > make sure that their appraisal values the entire 
  property (all > parcels) before and after otherwise it can be thrown 
  out of court.> >>

Where did you get that information from. Rita never had her property listed 
for any price yet. What bullshit fool like you would buy a small place with 
a eminent domain cloud over it?
In the real world (not AP) a developer would have to assemble lots to 
build. 
In AP Lofferdo, Saunders, Bruno, Malina, Aaron & Weldon sold the lots, 
city buildings & streets by the acres to the Partners, cheaper than 
were purchased in the Great Depression?
In Belmar, a council made of professionals, not 3 stooge like AP, 
encouraged private land owners to develop their own site.
Mr Cellophane, you are one very sick puppy. Please give up 
your government pension and stop minding everybody business. Go back into your 
movie (land) and develop a character . 

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Save the Baronet Theater

2006-04-18 Thread gtscarano212






In a message dated 4/18/2006 7:53:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In 
  AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Isn't Paradise 
  going to get the same amount of parking spaces in the parking garage 
  that's going to be built on the same lots? As for Rita isn't she going to 
  make good money and be relocated? Tell the whole truth Gerry. If Keady was 
  at the meeting his vote would have meant nothing. Can't you count yet? You 
  need 3 votes. Stick to flipping properties, boy that sounds familiar. I 
  guess some people are following your lead.The same old council 
  same Partners oh yes the same  AGREEMENT!

Re: 2nd Ave Property -  Eminent Domain
 
Purchased by the Orlando Family for $575,000.00
The city's appraiser wants the Partners to only pay about $325,000.00 
because their of the opinion that AP land only when up because of 
redevelopment. Remember, we have an expert on local real estate market on the 
council. I believe he made some wise investment during this real estate 
boom.
Maybe Mr. Lofferdo will enlighten the group.
 
Remember he was uncomfortable with me at a friend's house hosting his 
re-election fund raiser, but not upset when Fishman was at his first 
fund raiser. I gave to one of his running mate's campaign. 
   
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This story, if true, makes my stomach churn. Where is 
the constitutional principle of "just compensation" that the pro-ED 
people seem to focus on? These people are being bankrupted by the 
redeveloper.This story needs bigger national attention. At the very 
least, the mortgage company, or even the Mortgage Bankers Association, 
should be made aware that their investment in Asbury Park is being 
threatened. Imagine the loss to all residents and to the new units if 
major banks refuse to lend in Asbury because of the predatory practices of 
the developer. Although, that would be an interesting battle to have a major 
corporation with deep pockets fighting this.Does anyone have any markers 
to call in at 60 Minutes?
 
 


  
  
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See what I can do. But remember, it would be a limited number of 
property owners, that is only those whose property are to be condemned. 
It is most troubling in the case of those who own homes. At a prior council 
meeting, Bruno, in response to Mrs. K's plea not to condemn her home, he 
assured "long-time" APers that they would be protected. However, he went out 
of his way to say the same protection would not be afforded purchasers who 
bought in recent years, I asume after the MOU. I guess caveat emptor. What 
ever happened to equal protection under the law. I'll try to contact the 
homeowner and their attorney to verify the initial offer. I hear Moliver 
is doing appraisals on Sewall today.
 
 
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If he is using "their" numbers, he might as well sit in his office and 
write the reports. No sense in wasting the gas to drive 
by.
 

 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Save the Baronet Theater

2006-04-17 Thread gtscarano212







If you show up, maybe the council will not vote to give away the 
three businesses on 4th Ave to the Partners at 2001 prices. Yes, the appraisers 
for the Partners are saying AP's land values are directly related to the old 
council partnering with the Partners. What about the Real Estate 
Boom? 
Most of you missed the last meeting when Loffredo, Sanders, & 
Bruno voted to eminent domain Paradise's parking lot. The Stockholm syndrome, 
the old council and the Partners. 
It is said if you take away the Empress Hotel parking lot, the city is 
diminishing the value of Sheap's club, hotel & property. So much for 
the hot spot that help bring in so many investors & 
homesteaders to AP seven years ago, even before the Partners saved 
Asbury Park. How many of you became homesteaders and investors 
before redevelopment started?
Loffredo, Sanders, & Bruno could not even look at Rita when they vote 
yes to eminent domain her property. Johnson voted no 
on both votes. The city manager did not pick-up the phone when Keady called from 
San Francisco, to go on the record, to vote no on the two 
votes. Other times, other council members in the past, used the phone to vote at 
the meetings.
Did the Partners not get enough land and streets vacated at rock 
bottom prices and the luck the sell to real developers while real estate boom is 
in full swing?
 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] todays app - abbott lawsuit

2006-04-14 Thread gtscarano212






How much will the attorney fee be?In the eminent 
domain suit (city vs boe)  - how much did that cost each 
side?Piggybank.
 
 
 
 
Reminds me of inheritance lawsuits or divorce court. The lawyers collect 
the fees without budgets or cut-offs and nobody wins.
 
How much of your city tax dollars and state 
income tax dollars are paying the legal fees
on both sides?
 
Which law firm is Richard Shapiro is from. To many on the Internet. 
 So far nobody offered up how AP teamed up with Perth Amboy in this law 
suit.
 
If Attorney General Zulima V. Farber  wins, what is the city 
manager going to do?  Is there any thing else to bond? Are the SUV's 
returnable? And the abatements for the new condos?
 
 
 
~
 

Asbury, Perth Amboy challenge state on Abbott money
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 
04/14/06BY RICK MALWITZGANNETT NEW JERSEY 
In 1997, property taxpayers in 
Perth Amboy paid a school tax of $15,043,080. Taxpayers in Asbury Park paid 
$4,867,928. 
Eight years later, those figures remain the same. 
Now, with the state facing a budget deficit in excess of $4 billion, the 
administration of Gov. Corzine has asked the state Supreme Court to approve 
school tax hikes in eight of the state's poorer school districts. 
Eight of the state's 31 so-called Abbott Districts are affected. Perth Amboy 
and Asbury Park among them. But they are alone in challenging the governor. 
This week, in a brief submitted to the Supreme Court, attorney Richard 
Shapiro, who represents Perth Amboy and Asbury Park, stated, "The acting 
commissioner of education has no constitutional or legal authority, in the 
absence of enabling legislation, to direct local boards of education to increase 
their local tax levy." 
The Abbott Districts were created following a ruling by the state Supreme 
Court in 1981 that requires the state to provide extraordinary funding to poor 
districts. 
Twenty-five years after the ruling, the Abbott districts spend an average 
$3,000 per pupil higher than districts elsewhere in the state. 
Since 1997 local property taxpayers in the Abbott districts have paid about 
$2,000 per pupil, a figure that has been frozen. During that same period, 
taxpayers elsewhere have seen their per-pupil spending increase from $4,792 to 
$7,126. 
The court challenge by Perth Amboy and Asbury Park is a response to a brief 
filed last week by Attorney General Zulima V. Farber asking the court for its 
approval of the governor's 2007 budget on matters relating to the Abbott 
districts. 
The state argued, "The Abbott districts have not been required to exercise 
the fiscal discipline that the state and other school districts must undergo; 
instead they have been allowed to balance their budget through the virtually 
unlimited supplemental funding requests." 
Shapiro's brief on behalf of Per




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain

2006-03-24 Thread gtscarano212








In a message dated 3/24/2006 3:55:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The 
  selection of excluded properties certainly appears to have been 
  biased.Many of the "Bergh St Properties" had recently been 
  purchased by gay buyers. While other properties similarly situated on Webb 
  St but owned by hetero folks were slated for taking.The property 
  on 5th Avenue next to the former Salvation Army was excluded after having 
  been rehabed by a 'friend' of the Council.Werner 


I heard the people on Bergh St and the people on Webb St are all AC/DC 
because they live in AP. So by the Out Magazine definition every body who 
are AC/DC are really gay. So Werner every body got  favorable 
treatment except for you.
The houses on both sides of Bergh St are find examples of American 
Arts & Craftsman architecture in a viable neighborhood and complement the 
Brentwood Apts, The Jersey,The Virginia. Webb St on the other hand has empty 
lots and most houses left standing still need 
repair.  


  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain

2006-03-24 Thread gtscarano212








In a message dated 3/24/2006 7:08:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Werner 
  you forgot about the corner house. What councilman saved that? I don't 
  believe that owner has any clout.

That corner house was residual damage, the Partners lost one extra house/ 
lot in their land grab coarse set to destroy anything historical in the 
beachfront redevelopment.
 
I was told, the reason the houses where save because one of the 
owners convince the council he would sue the city because somebody 
gave building permits on his house in 2001. The house saved was beautifully 
restored and owned by a wonderful couple.The issue at the time is why would the 
city give new building permits (thousands in fees) if they knew the house 
to be renovate was in the redevelopment zone. Mike, the nice house you 
party at during Gay Pride. But Mike, you know it also helps to be a 
supporter of the council. If not you get finds like Werner, instead of 
removing permanent structures build in public right 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help

2006-03-23 Thread gtscarano212








1. While your at it, move the city garage off main 
street. And blow away that whole corner. Or just move the complex to the 
opposite corners - (south of current location, replacng the city yard) 
again, over the tracks to Memorial/springwood.
 
2. you need to convince Neptune, as part of their plan, 
to make the Rt. 35/Springwood corner an attractive "entrance".
 
3. I'll go back to the idea of "raising" Bradley Park 
so you get parking under it.
 
1. Extend Victoria Mall, then the mall will like it starts in Asbury 
Park.
Also remove all gas stations off Main St.
2. Also develop better road plan/ pattern so summer traffic can move 
easier in & out of A P
Use Neptune's Corllis & Springwood Ave Redevelopments to help 
AP revitalization. Talk to Neptune. AP should be a regional economic 
engine.
3. All the redevelopment 56 acres should be raised 12' or 
14' . Imagine 56 acres of parking and service routes? Only coping what 
was done in Paris & Orlando. Make new entrances for the few buildings that 
where not demolished on the new mezzanine level. Expensive for now, but truly a 
city for the future. 
Oh I forgot, people will be coming to AP to appreciate the beach and 
the new street lights that Joe likes. Or was he and Garrett only 
attacking me? Or not biting the hands of their friends that feed 
them?  
 
All theses ideas were brought up at council meetings, planing board 
meetings and  redevelopment meetings. If it was not the three 
greatest deal makers, Terry Wedlon (deals made behind closed doors), 
Duany, or Kate idea it was not a good or a feasible idea. I don't 
think Arron was involved with expanding Duany's theories. Most 
of the above city officials scraped almost every suggestion the planing 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Street lights & Streetscape Details

2006-03-21 Thread gtscarano212






At 12:24 PM -0500 3/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:> >Now is the time to stop the Planing Board from putting 
ultra modern lights through out the beachfront redevelopment/ Wesley Lake Area. 
They look like outdoor heating>lamps and are completely out of character 
for our city. Somebody needs to stop the purchase of the heat lamps. The city 
should consider lights that are more in keeping with>the history of this 
city.
At 6:51:49 PM 3/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As usual... you're uninformed and too late. Whatever 
one's opinion of the street lamp fixtures, that plan was presented, studied, 
re-studied and finally approved close to two years ago. When will the back row 
deal with current events?
 
Joe:  The sarcasm in your response to my posting undermines your 
sincerity  and makes you appear to have an axe to grind.  Everyone on 
the list is entitled to express his or her opinion.  Why do you feel that 
you have to attach people on a personal level when you don't agree with their 
ideas?  When I was in Bryan Grant's office, nobody said the lights 
were a done deal.  Even if it is, I believe that nothing is written in 
stone - If enough people express concern about the design of the lights, the 
board could reconsider its decision.  Over the past six years or so, you 
and I have both witnessed what appeared to be good ideas turn into bad 
investments for the city.  As to your comment about the "back row," I would 
only remind you that solutions to many problems came out of that  back row, 
so don't throw away the baby with the bath water!  Like yourself, at least 
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[AsburyPark] Cabaret on Cookman







Dear List Members -
This information is pasted 
along for the Asbury Park Historical 
Society latest fundraising event.  I hope to 
see you all there for what should be a great night of 
entertainment.
 
    

Cabaret 
on Cookman
 Presented by Red 
Fusion
 and the 
Asbury 
Park Historical 
Society
 
Bob 
Egan and other local talents 
play 
piano and sing standards
 
Buffet 
Included
 
Sunday 
April 2, 2006
4:00 
to 7:00
at
Red Fusion
 
$15.00 
in advance, $20.00 at the door
 
All 
proceeds benefit the 
Asbury 
Park 
Historical Society
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Gadfly Def.







In a message dated 3/5/2006 7:01:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
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If 
  people really care they would go see for themselves. They have something 
  you will never ever have and that's a life. Your life is breaking balls 
  just like Rita, that's why she recruited you. Like Tommy said the resident 
  gave their approval in May.

What is your twisted mind working overtime? Deal with the issues. 
I clear, you do not have a life, other wise you would not be worried about 
Rita or her friends. Time to look up the old 
newspapers? 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] 25% 50%25%






Just plain wrong...the reason the people do not come to meetings is 
because the old council either choose not to listen or not capable of thinking 
out side the box.
Most people who are regulars do not complain about the remarks from the 
audiences, but the faces and stares from the council. Most new comers cannot 
believe what happens in the meetings. Tape the meetings.
 
The city manager knows how to act professional. He never made noise or 
remarks to inflame the audiences. Even Keady and Johnson hold their cool. Keady 
and Johnson have excellent people skills. 
 
The council still needs to learn the Roberts Rules of Order. I 
used them. Follow the rules, everybody feels equal,and still be friends 
after the meetings. Respect goes both ways?
 
What does the council learn at the League of Municipalities 
Conference? The mayor goes to the Black Mayors Conference. Lofferdo went to 
the Gay Leaders Conferences. The truth be told the council is better now than 
ever. They look professional. Less disruptions than ever before. 
Most of the noise comes when the taxpayers are not getting a fair deal. 

Stop wasting tax dollars. 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] soliciting money specifically to be used






Try soliciting money specifically to be used to put computers in the police 
cars, then use extra money to help teenagers to get working papers and mentors 
for first jobs. Leave the water park alone, its a done deal. Should install 
cameras to keep the place safe from vandals. 
 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Gadfly Def.






Every town has a Rita, and it's not welcomed but you 
need a watchdog group or government would run wild. I just think if Rita and 
her group had more tact the council meetings wouldn't get so crazy. At 
the next meeting let's see who throws the first punch. Well maybe the 
meeting after that because that's deadline day and we know they  
won't be able to make them happy no matter what is agreed upon.So the 
first meeting in April we'll see.
 put it on cable, seeing is 
believing




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Those are Jerry's words.






With all your wining Joe, even I cannot tell if you are bring me 
up or down to your level.
This is a weird way to ask me out for a date?




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Question for the legal minds...

2006-03-04 Thread gtscarano212






a council gadfly
Leave it alone, its better than critic and because 
Tommy started it, she happy




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: happy now?

2006-03-04 Thread gtscarano212






Joe, you can sit wherever you want. Maybe there should 
be a sign in sheet for the Public so Jerry will know who's 
there.
 
Michael,
And what is your point? 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] happy now?

2006-03-04 Thread gtscarano212






If Nancy wasn't at the City Council 
meeting then how did she get the story so right in today's newspaper? 

 
Joe, you happy? I'm happy you're happy and smarter than I. You were 
blocking my view of Nancy at that time of that meeting. Next time, sit in your 
usual seat, so you could hear me say, I supported that water park at the 
meeting.
So when will the next council meeting be on 
cable?




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark]".carrying on your own meeting with "that white woma n" ...

2006-03-03 Thread gtscarano212






Who taking sides on a no win situation.
The mayor needs to learn the Roberts Rules of Orders and enforce them 
equally .
Joe and Tommy, keep defending your city funded 
livelihoods.




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: ".carrying on your own meeting with "that white woma n" ...

2006-03-03 Thread gtscarano212






You are wrong Joe, play the tape. I think all meetings should be taped for 
local cable. 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: ".carrying on your own meeting with "that white woma n" you adore.

2006-03-03 Thread gtscarano212






 Joe, to deny that the mayor showed 
favoritism to the woman who spoke against Rita by applauding her comments is, in 
fact, to deny the reality of what happened at the meeting.  Also, to deny 
that this was racist on his part is to deny the reality of what he does and has 
done at previous meetings.  
 
Case in point, the meeting where he allowed a woman in a 
red  dress to trash an older woman in working clothes.  We have also 
witnessed many times when certain people were allowed to go beyond the 3 minute 
limit at the mike and others were told to sit down or be removed from the 
room.
  
You have a short memory, my friend, or else you just don't 
want to see what is  in front of your nose.  My whole point is that as 
an elected official of the city, he owns it to his constituency to be fair to 
everyone regardless of his/her ethnic background.  As to your remark about 
my "constituency," need I remind you that I do not hold a public office and 
therefore am not held to the same standards of behavior as the mayor  of 
our city.  And not for nothing, Joe, you really need to watch your 
use  of the word "everyone"  as in "everyone in the room 
laughed."  Only three, maybe four people joined the mayor in what he 
thought (in his ignorance and theirs) to be a  "funny" comment. Only 
2 where clapping their hands.  
 
Really, Joe, for someone who claims to be so interested in the 
"facts," you leave a lot to be desired!




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: he should be setting an example for his constituency

2006-03-02 Thread gtscarano212







In a message dated 3/2/2006 9:35:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lets 
  hear your one sided story. Let me guess Rita was 
involved.

Michael,
Come back to the meetings.
Be three dimensional...you don't even have to say a word.
Seeing is believing.




  
  
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[AsburyPark] he should be setting an example for his constituency

2006-03-02 Thread gtscarano212






I don't usually comment on what goes on at a council meeting, but at the 
last council meeting our mayor showed his hand when a black woman in the 
audience went to the mike and made a derisive comment alluding to a white woman 
in the audience and our mayor laughed and applauded her remarks. 
As an elected official, he should be setting an example 
for his constituency; not overtly showing favoritism for one ethnic group over 
another.  Had Nancy Shields been in the audience, the incident would have 
appeared in the Asbury Press.
 
 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Firehouse issue

I think in the
spirit of what TOM and DAN said, Weldon was asked to return his pension and the
$65,000.00 of over payments to the city treasury. The press has run many
articles about cutting off pensions to civil servants caught breaking the law.
Weldon could afford to buy some redemption.
The Partners may want to pony up matching funds since,
according to Kate & Jimmy, Weldon was the clever negotiator at the
redevelopment contract talks, and perhaps Aaron can run a firehouse fund raiser
like the one he ran for Weldon’s defense a few years ago. If the firehouse is still short on
funds, the city manager can sell (bond) the air rights over city hall and the
streets to help pay for the new firehouse?

Then someone from the old boys club will, no doubt,
suggest that the firehouse should be dedicated to Weldon. After all it was his
political machine that helped get the old council elected (the future starts
here). This in turn helped the
Partners redefine A P’s future. Is Weldon’s vision still reshaping A
P?

Naming the building after Weldon is not a bad idea,
because the old boys club still don't think he did any thing wrong in A P. This
will also help the new beachfront community better remember the man that made
their new home possible.
~~
Ocean has 3. Wanamassa with (2) houses - the original
plus a nice new one they built - in the center of town, taking out
ratables (houses).
The new Wanamassa firehouse is great focal point for that
community. The building is excellent condition, well kept, and
location that represents community pride. Didn't Mr Weldon help secure that
building? Mr. Weldon still enjoys lots of support in Ocean Township. Others are
still asking when will he go to jail.
~~
> YOu gonna throw out a union? In AP?
> Doubt out.
Why pick on
unions, our standard of living is as high as it is because of collective
bargaining.
I'm not a union member. The fact is most union
workers have better work skills than most of the labor force. If you are
complaining about civil service workers, than you have to shift your focus
to the city officials. As for fire dept. and police
dept., their unions keep the standards high, for your
protection.
This small city needs a paid professional fire
department. It's the city officials lack of responsibility that
the firehouse happens to looks the way it does. AP firehouse is a handsome
building. Restoration and upgrading the building would best
define community spirit and pride. It's location is
fine.

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[AsburyPark] Out of the cyberspace closet?






You happy now?
 


Man of God "leads on" as times change 
around him
ATLANTIC HIGHLANDS — The trajectory of the Rev. Henry P. Davis Jr.'s life 
took him from his birthplace in Texas to Mississippi, Montgomery, Ala., and the 
battlefields of Korea before he found himself as the pastor of St. Paul's 
Baptist Church. 
Now a 33-year fixture of the unassuming, 105-year-old church, Davis is quick 
to emphasize to his congregation the importance of what helped him throughout 
his life: Education, education and more education. A college graduate at the 
young age of 19, Davis said he tries to instill a love of learning in every 
young person who walks through the doors of St. Paul's. 
And it's not just from the pulpit that Davis has had achance to touch the 
lives of others. 
Davis is the president of the Red Bank chapter of the NAACP, chairperson of 
the Monmouth County Board of Alcohol and Drug Abuse Services, moderator of the 
Seacoast Missionary Baptist Association of New Jersey, a member of the Monmouth 
County Youth Services Commission and of the Monmouth County Minority Youth 
Vicinage Committee. 
If that seems like an awful lot of balls to keep in the air at once, consider 
that Davis once managed to work full time teaching electronics at Fort Monmouth, 
attend classes at New Brunswick Seminary at night, and preach at the church in 
Atlantic Highlands — all while raising four children. 
How does he do it? Davis said he always leaves it up to God, and has always 
found a way. Davis likes to quote Psalm 118:23: "This is the Lord's doing, and 
it is marvelous in our eyes." 
"He is probably one of the nicest, most highly qualified individuals I have 
ever met," said Atlantic Highlands Borough Clerk Dwayne M. Harris. "As a man of 
God and a minister, he is most entertaining and educational." 
As the son of a public schoolteacher, Davis blossomed in the classroom. After 
completing a one-year tour in Korea, and living for a while in Montgomery, Davis 
decided to take a correspondence course on electronics. This would eventually 
lead him to move to Fort Monmouth in the early 1960s, where Davis taught 
electronics for 17 years before retiring in 1987. 
But there was another, more powerful calling in Davis' life. The minister 
said he felt drawn to the ministry in 1967, and almost wound up enrolling at the 
Princeton Seminary in 1968. But he decided to attend the New Brunswick Seminary 
at night instead, along with his son. Both graduated from the seminary on the 
same day. 
Much has changed from the days Davis spent as a youth in Texas. Even when he 
joined the Air Force in 1950, blacks and whites were kept separate — there was a 
black Noncommissioned Officers club and all-black squadrons even during the 
Korean War. 
"Dallas, for example, was extremely racist back then," Davis said. "You 
couldn't even shop at a Neiman Marcus at the time." 
But the times have certainly changed. Now, Davis' own niece is running for 
public office in Dallas. 
St. Paul's Baptist Church began from a tiny seed in 1899: A man named Vasser 
L. Peake came to Atlantic Highlands and started the church with a group of 13 
fellow blacks. The church has always been linked to the Quinn Chapel African 
Methodist Episcopal Church, which is about 150 years old. 
The black community surrounding the church, however, has diminished over the 
years, which Davis attributes to the shifting cultural demographics of the 
Bayshore. 
"It seems that every time a black family moves out of this area, a white 
family moves in faster than they can put up a for-sale sign," he said. "There's 
just an attraction to the area." 
Harris, who attends Quinn Chapel A.M.E. and has worked with Davis on the Red 
Bank NAACP, said the shrinking black community in the area poses problems for 
the future of mostly black churches like St. Paul's. But both Harris and Davis 
are confident that area churches will continue to thrive. In fact, St. Paul's 
now draws members from Red Bank and Tinton Falls, Davis said. 
"It's just the Lord's blessing — a small group of people trying to be 
faithful to his word," Davis said. 
Though the congregation may be smaller than other churches, St. Paul's is 
known as a place that inspires many of its members who get involved at an early 
age. An example is one boy who began attending services when he was 9 years old, 
who has since gone on to become a pastor of Good Hope church in Asbury Park. 
"It's because of him as a person, how he coaches people and treats people and 
mentors people," Harris said. "He's the kind of type who comes up and says, 
"This is what we need you to do, and this is how we're going to do it,' and he 
leads on. He doesn't leave room for procrastination, no hemming and hawing." 





  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Day labor?






I would trust Labor Ready for a lead on someone that can be vouched for. 
Most of the workers have a raptor with Kevin and his staff. His workers, for the 
most part spend their money in town and know local tradesmen that can speak 
English.  At some point, hire your new friend directly.
 
The best thing I do, when I buy a house somewhere, is eat at a local 
places.  You meet neighbors who will recommend  local tradesmen and 
workers. Somebody usually knows somebody who is honest and/or good helper. The 
hardware stores, local food stores, and plumbing places have lots of leads 
to follow up on. Your local friendly realtor may offer a  name of 
a handy man. 
You can negotiate the price and task(s) up front before the job 
starts. Do not use anybody who does not have any references. (you should 
know somebody who knows both of you)  Mistakes are expensive. A closet 
drunk could get hurt on the job. In Asbury Park, I usually hire neighbors. They 
become your friends and watch out for you.
 
If Spanish is your second language, do what you want. 
 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Structural problems found in firehouse







Group, 
Please just  copy and paste 
your references, I personally appreciate the time you pit in your postings (even 
if you are if you take the wrong side) Sometimes the httcom 
addresses are not correct. Even then, some the of reporters do not get the 
facts correct in the stories you/we talk about. I'm not as computer savoy as 
most of you.
 
~~~
 
Asbury firefighters in need of temporary shelter

Structural problems found in firehouse
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 
03/1/06BY A. SCOTT 
FERGUSONSTAFF WRITER 
ASBURY PARK — Temporary trailers 
to house the city's on-duty firefighters should be in place today as 
construction crews and engineers continue to address structural problems with 
the turn-of-the-century firehouse. 
The trailers will arrive two days after the state Office of Public Employees' 
Occupational Safety and Health forced the city's 42 paid firefighters to 
evacuate their three-story headquarters on Main Street and Asbury Avenue after a 
firefighter placed an anonymous call about a 3-inch gap in a second-story floor. 

On Tuesday, Fire Director John Murray emphasized that the city's emergency 
services will continue despite the fact that several parts of the building 
remain off-limits to firefighters. 
"We wanted to let everyone know that we have taken every avenue available to 
bring the people back to work here," Murray said at an afternoon press 
conference at fire headquarters. 
Despite the sign on the front door that said "Keep Out," Murray said much of 
the first floor, including the bay areas that house the department's vehicles, 
remains usable. 
In addition, the department's communications room has continued to function. 
The Monmouth County Sheriff's Office, Jersey Central Power & Light Co. 
and other city agencies have offered their services to help with emergency calls 
and other communication needs, Murray added. 
To show its commitment, Murray said, the department "had firefighters 
sleeping on the floor (Monday night) to make sure the city was covered." 
The problems with the Fire Department started last Wednesday, when the 
firefighters' union told Murray about a 3-inch gap on the second floor that was 
causing the floor to drop. 
During a tour Tuesday, Murray said it appeared that a staircase leading down 
from the second floor had been removed at one point, but the gap it left had not 
been properly repaired, which may have led to a sagging floor. 
Although Murray said the department and the city's engineer worked throughout 
the weekend on the problem, Monday's anonymous call to the state forced 
firefighters out of their headquarters by that afternoon. 
Since the city's firefighters work 24-hour shifts, trailers are to be brought 
in by today to give the firefighters a place to stay, Battalion Chief Kevin 
Keddy said. 
The department will contract with a Jackson company for the trailers. The 
South Orange Fire Department in Essex County has had similar problems, and the 
idea for the trailers came from firefighters there, Keddy added. 
By Tuesday, the second floor had been shored up with metal poles. 
Doru Tomas, a senior engineer with French and Parrello, a Wall engineering 
firm, said the building had a number of structural problems, but it would be 
some time before all of the defects could be found and examined. 
In the meantime, the Fire Department's business continued. On Tuesday, 
Inspector Garrett M. Giberson said fire officials returned to the site of the 
fire that destroyed the Atlantic and Belmont hotels on Asbury Avenue. So far, no 
cause has been determined.




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fwd: [AsburyParkGLH]

2006-02-28 Thread gtscarano212






Michael aka Fred wrote,
Pay that loser no mind, nobody else does. 
Who's going to listen to a "man" who turned his back on his Community. If he 
was a real "man" he would spill his guts. Wash your face 
Jerry.
 
and copied this post from the other list. Notice he did 
not post while he was away?
 
--- In AsburyPark GLH @yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:  There you go again Jerry spouting off at the mouth just 
like the rest of the > malcontents in this city. Talk, Talk, Talk, 
and nooo facts. Shame > shame shame. I am sure you know 
plenty of people you could call and get the facts > from.> 
There is no need to stir your pot on here when you can just pick up the 
> phone. Haven't you come to the fire house for information before? 
What stopped you > this time? The beach front topics! The city 
council has given deadlines as far > as the beach front is concerned 
why would a fire take away from that?> Stop the BS! > > 
Garrett Giberson Jr>
 
I respond this on the other group:
 
Garrett,
Your wrong on many of your points on your posting. I see you did not post 
your response on the other list. The shame is on you. On this list you feel 
safe?
 
One of the problem in AP, if you do not have the time to stop by city 
hall during the day to collect information, it may take all day to get a 
call into the building. How many of you tried to call into city hall and 
have nobody pick-up or get a busy signal?
Also was or was not the firehouse evacuated for the last 2 days?
Why did you say stop the BS, did you read in the papers that the city 
council has given deadlines as far as the beach front is concerned. On the other 
A P yahoo group, it was posted that renegotiations may not be going so well 
as of last week.
 
All I am doing is getting people to the council meetings. 
 
Garrett, if you were not being defensive about something, my posting would 
only have been read by a few people on the list. The last time you where 
concerned about my posting was about a fire on 3rd Ave. Something 
about water and working fire hydrants to put out a fire quickly. A year 
later a home owner said something on the list, that fire on 3rd 
cost her and her partner over a $100,000.00 out of pocket.
 
There you go again Jerry spouting off at 
the mouth 
just like the rest of the malcontents in 
this city.
 
Garrett as a city official, you have lots 
privilege information that only you need to know, which is not public 
information, yet. No one is asking you to share your facts. You did not 
offer any facts about a fire to the group. A fire? It was one of the 
biggest in recent times. TV coverage and all. Even the police are 
investigating the remains of the 2 hotels. So therefore, you should not be name 
calling on any list. The public should be able to ask questions without so 
much reaction. Drama? Passionate? Something is very 
wrong. 

  




  
  
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[AsburyPark] City Council Meeting: March 1st, Wednesday

2006-02-28 Thread gtscarano212






Tomorrow: 

  
  
4:00 PM City Council 
  Executive Session 

  
  
6:00 PM  City 
  Council Work Session  

  
  

  7:00 PM  
  City Council Regular Meeting 
   
  The hotel fires, what was the response time, where the blocked 
  and broken roads a factor in response time, and the fire departments 
  doing a great  job saving the near-by buildings on that bitter cold 
  day.  More facts will be forthcoming. 
  New ideas for what to do about the firehouse crisis.
  Will these 2 topics take away attention from  the beachfront 
  renegotiations.   
  All will be big topics and effect the way your tax dollars are 
  spent.
  The city needs grant writers, are you able to help?
   
   
   

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Some more photos

2006-02-28 Thread gtscarano212







In a message dated 2/28/2006 11:05:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
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http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/belfire/f3.htm

Powerful pictures.




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Firehouse Evacuated?






Wanting a new firehouse is nothing new. Others where knock down in the past 
or closed down.
Five years ago, the city officials and occupants of the building did 
nothing to stop the bricks from falling off the corner of the building. It was 
to show the world that the old building was falling apart brick by 
brick. 
For 4 months, at council meetings, I talk about the firehouse 
shabby appearance . Even the sidewalk was unsafe to walk on both sides of 
the firehouse. When the bricks were finally cemented back in place, Weiner said 
they did the repair job historically wrong at a council 
meeting.  
At the same time Terry Weldon was helping one of his buddies' assembly lots 
on Langford St. between 1st & 2nd Ave. A house on 1st Ave was 
knocked down without a permit by the buddy. That how the story 
broke. Terry's plan was to have his pal own the new firehouse and 
lease it back to the city someday. He was the city manager. The rest 
is history. The press did a small story about the need for a new 
firehouse.
Five years later the city officials and the same council did nothing to fix 
up the most handsome firehouse on RT 71. Brady Beach restored their firehouse 2 
years ago. 
Tom, do the taxpayers vote on a 
new firehouse? 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Belmont Atlantic useless?






In a message dated 2/27/2006 2:10:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.preservenys.org/programs/awards02.htm#AmericanSee 
  some pic of the "before" 
  here:http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel2.pnghttp://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel1.pngAnd 
  see Rachel Ray's visit 
  here:http://www.americanhotelny.com/publications.htm
could not find the article or the pictures, I did appreciate the 
research, like to follow up.
could you just put up the information in your post.

 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] It's more fun.







In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:26:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you 
  really think that last night's fire was a one-reporter story? Silly 
  boy.

Had nothing to do with the story, maybe because of redevelopment and other 
issues,  AP needs more than one reporter. Maybe  its better to 
be perceived as silly than one little angry man. Food for 
thought. 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] It's more fun.






In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:36:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's 
  more fun.
Did you really want to say; "It takes 2 reporters to work 
Nancy's beat."
I may agree with that.

 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Benefits for all






  
Good job  Donna & Kathy 
 

 
(STAFF PHOTO: MICHAEL SYPNIEWSKI)
Donna 
Harrison (left) and Kathy Ragauckas stand outside their Asbury Park home. 
Harrison says the fact that her employer lets her extend her health benefits to 
Ragauckas makes her feel welcomed.

Benefits for all

Even as the cost of benefits continues to soar, more employers are extending 
their benefits to gay and lesbian workers.
Posted by the Asbury 
Park Press on 02/27/06BY MICHAEL L. DIAMONDBUSINESS WRITER 
To Donna Harrison, a computer 
consultant from Asbury Park, her company's benefits program means much more than 
health insurance or a secure retirement: It tells her whether her employer truly 
embraces her. 
So when SunGard Data Systems bought her previous company three years ago and 
offered benefits to her and her partner, Kathy Ragauckas, a retired Monmouth 
County worker, it erased any hesitation she might have had in the corporate 
takeover. 
"It makes all the difference knowing you're working for a company that 
respects your lifestyle, your orientation and the people at home that help you 
do the job you need to do," said Harrison, 44. 
Ocean County freeholders recently engaged in an intense debate over offering 
domestic-partner benefits, and a growing number of private-sector companies are 
offering such benefits for their gay and lesbian employees. 
Company officials say the decision to extend benefits beyond traditional 
married couples boils down to their desire to attract talented workers 
regardless of their private lives. But experts say gays and lesbians have yet to 
participate without hesitation. 
"Employees who are gay and lesbian are often reluctant to reveal that to 
their employers," said Stephen Hyland, an attorney who specializes in estates, 
trusts and domestic partnership issues for Hill Wallack in Princeton. 
"Therefore, they choose not to obtain these benefits because, basically, they 
don't want to come out." 
The idea of offering benefits to domestic partners attracted the spotlight 
recently in Ocean County, where Laurel Hester, a law enforcement officer 
stricken with cancer, lobbied freeholders to allow her to leave her pension 
benefits to her domestic partner, just as heterosexual workers can leave their 
benefits to their spouses when they die. 
The freeholders at first resisted before changing their minds in the face of 
public pressure. Hester died shortly after. 
The private sector more frequently is extending the benefits it offers 
married employees — such as health insurance — to gay employees who certify they 
are in a committed relationship. A survey by the Society for Human Resource 
Management, an Alexandria, Va.-based trade group, found 32 percent of employers 
offered domestic partner benefits in 2005, up from just 16 percent in 2001. 
The sharp increase has come even though companies have tried to rein in the 
skyrocketing cost of benefits, ranging from health insurance to pensions. 
"You're obviously going to be at a disadvantage if you are going to recruit 
workers that might not look at a company that doesn't offer benefits like that," 
said Jen Jorgensen, a spokeswoman for the human resources group. 
Some New Jersey companies, such as Lucent Technologies Inc. have offered 
same-sex benefits for nearly a decade, while others expanded their benefits more 
recently. 
Newark-based Prudential Financial Inc. began offering domestic partner 
benefits in 2000 to help it stay competitive with other financial services 
companies and attract a diverse group of workers, said Ellen Borak, vice 
president of health and welfare benefits. 
She said gay and lesbian employees, like all employees, sign up for benefits 
online. They certify that they have lived with their partner for at least six 
months and are in a committed, serious relationship in which they are 
financially dependent on each other. 
The benefit has increased the company's health insurance costs by 2 percent, 
Borak said. But she said it also has sent a message to workers and customers 
alike that Prudential is an inclusive company. 
"I think it goes a long way to show what kind of company Prudential is: very 
diverse and attune to the diverse needs of the diverse work force," Borak said. 
"I've never heard of any business segment coming back saying we lost an account 
because Prudential is offering domestic partner benefits, but I have heard that 
it helps." 
Hyland said gay and lesbians still face hurdles, even when their employer 
offers same-sex benefits. For example, not all are comfortable disclosing their 
sexual orientation to their employers, so they don't participate. 
Additionally, employers can lawfully have a two-tiered system in which they 
pay the health-insurance premium of a spouse, but not a domestic partner. 
There are also different tax consequences. A married employee doesn't pay 
taxes on the money his employer pays for his spouse's health insurance premium. 
But a gay employee has to pay taxes fo

Re: [AsburyPark] Sale of Belmont and Atlantic






Looks like Asbury Park Press may have 2 new reporters for Asbury 
Park. MATT PORIO AND ALISON HERGET did the story about the 
fire. Guess 2 reporters from the N Y Times in town covering 
Asbury last week was too much for editors of the 
press.




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Belmont and Atlantic Fire

2006-02-26 Thread gtscarano212







In a message dated 2/26/2006 9:14:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A source 
  told me that AP Partners does not own that property. That block was sold 
  to Westminster. So I guess they burned it down, right Dan, 
Skip?

Was it one of the deeds that not filed for a year so nobody knows the 
selling price. If you check the county tax records it does not show a sale yet, 
even from Kathy to the Partners.
Your source on Sunday evening? Interesting? I do not remember Westminster 
ever admitting to owning any part of that block yet at the Planing Board 
meetings. That particular block, one or two homes on are still in private hands. 

 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Belmont and Atlantic Fire

2006-02-26 Thread gtscarano212






In a message dated 2/26/2006 7:43:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I 
  thought it was one block west of the triangle. Now you guys are acusing 
  Larry of setting the fire. If that's not slander I don't know what is. 
  Maybe I should send those statements to my brother Larry. My money is on a 
  homeless person trying to keep warm. Let's wait until the investigation 
  starts and finishes before you jump to these slanderist 
remarks.
 I place my bet on a comment from another A P list
 
 "Beautiful buildings, especially the Belmont. 
Sorry to see it go,  I guess Asbury Partners won't have to demolish them 
now there is so little left.  They say lighting is so unpredictable 
LOL"
 
Does anybody know when the fire was reported? My guess, even an 
investigation will not produce any results. The building burned very fast, 
a large part collapsed before 6:20 PM, turning  4 floors into 1 floor of 
burning wood.  Still could see flames at 9 PM from Sewall Ave. The building 
was used by the fire department for training drills for the last few 
months. At least the fire hydrants where working, protecting the near-by 
buildings. Hundreds of spectators. Lots of fire trucks parked by the firehouse 
and lots of firemen in the firehouse at 8:45 PM. Still lots of truck and men at 
the fire at 10:00 PM, this very cold night. At 10:00 PM you can hear the 
helicopter from one of the major news channels.  
 
Now, the fact is that the asbestos, if any,  will 
not have to hand removed, it went up with the smoke. In a few 
hours?
 
Last year, the hotel next to ANYBODY's had to have the 
asbestos removed by hand, cost the Partners lots of money, many delays and D E P 
inspections. Maybe a large  fine. Between the hotel and theater, the 
asbestos trailers where parked in front of ANYBODY'S on Cookman Ave, for months. 

 
During the early summer, the Ambassador on 3rd  had similar 
asbestos problems delays during it's demolition. Something that someone 
filled out the demolition reports wrong, stating  there was no 
asbestos in the huge commercial building. The police and state became 
involved. 
 
Wonder if the Press will have time to do an investigative report? 
 

 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] Fwd: Belmont-Atlantic Fire Sunday Night

2006-02-26 Thread gtscarano212






 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] specious attacks on those of courage

2006-02-22 Thread gtscarano212






 
    
skip writes...
"Those having the courage to stand behind 
their statements andpositions by identifying who they are, and the gutless, 
hiding behindvarious sobriquets having little or no connection to their 
individualidentity. "

   Dennis 
writes
That is simply not true, for me anyway. I 
have been on internet discussion groupsfrom the beginning. Do a google 
search and many of the things I said and thought back in '96 
are right there to be read. The only 
reason my name doesn't appear here is to keep from spreading more google 
fodder. Anyone who wants to know who I am can send me an emailoff digest and 
I will gladly respond.Hiding behind the anonymity of the internet is one 
thing, dragging down logical, thought out, and pertinent discussions with 
mindless BS, personal attacks and senseless rants is another.
 
    
Skip writes.
"This forum is degenerating to name 
calling. Not's its purpose.Hard to say what the forum's "purpose" may 
be; I think the product reflects the contribution, seems to me there 
are two universes represented here. Those having the courage to stand 
behind  their statements and positions by identifying who they 
are, and the gutless, hiding behind various sobriquets having little or no 
connection to their individual identity.  Stage set for an 
unequal game and playing field, the cowards, or black team, have license 
to state any gossip, slur or falsehood against the brave white team, 
resulting in falsehood   mimicking statement and bias posing 
as fact. 
 
 
Jerry writes.
Using aliases, comes with the territory of cowardice, may offers 
the black team the upper hand. I was taught Freedom of speech is a basic right. 
I did not think that the First Amendment protected cyber bandits 
who indulges in falsehood and slander. I'm glad the authorities 
read the postings supplied them. Our sources did their part 
to even playing field.
  Hopefully, in time, not holding my breath, one or 
two of the black team members names could become public record.  Told 
at first it was a civil matter, then somebody persevered. 
I was told it will take along time. Not sure how much money it 
will cost to pursue this. Sometimes you have put your money where your 
mouth is. On the other hand, it may cost the cyber bandits their own money to 
defend themselves.      
 
 
 
 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say i t ainâ€™t so!

2006-02-19 Thread gtscarano212






In a message dated 2/19/2006 6:00:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jerry 
  that is a terrible statement, think of it the next time you call a 
  fireman, policeman, or go into city hall and ask your questions where you 
  are treated with respect, you should apologize, but since you will not 
  even acknowledge joes question let alone answer it, i doubt you will admit 
  your mistake.hey werner is this better? sorry
 only slacker on the payroll would feel need to get respect from 
the public, the employees that are secure in their 
profession,  would not want a lurker with a brown 
nose speaking for them.  
 
 


 




  
  
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Fwd: [AsburyPark] Dipitro lied???









Jerry -
Would you please post this for me. The damn yahoo is acting up again.
Thanks,
Maureen
 
In a message dated 2/18/2006 4:11:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Restore881FM 
writes:

  
  
  In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1" 
   wrote:> >In a message dated 2/18/2006 11:22:55 
  AM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes:
  I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied 
in it, he didn't win anything last month, Metro  defunked what 
Depitro said about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of 
been a lot worse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not 
impressed.
  Dear s325run1 -
  I can see why you don't use your 
  name.
  At least the reporter spelled DePetro right. 
  
  The reporter did NOT quote DePetro regarding the 
  lawsuit. The statement is an error in the report. 
  I believe you mean, debunked, where you say 
  defunked (isn't that what Asbury Partners was supposed to do to the sewer 
  plant?) and where did Metro do that exactly? It read to me that Metro was 
  saying it didn't mind getting held up at gun point by Fishman. He certainly 
  doesn't say it's not true. What did you expect them to say? "Yeah, I really 
  got screwed on this deal. Question is, where the hell will I hide the $100 
  grand plus per unit that I have to make back somehow?" 
  Hmmm?
  Maureen Nevin
  Asbury Radio

 
Maureen NevinAsbury Radio -"The Radio Voice of Asbury 
Park"88.1FM - "5" Years on the Air!!Asbury's Own Live Talk Show601 
Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later 
on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call 
me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463Speak up - It's 
America!!-Forwarded Message: 

  
  

  


  Subj:
  Re: [AsburyPark] Dipitro lied??? 

  Date:
  2/18/2006 4:11:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

  From:
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  To:
  AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 



In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "s325run1"  wrote:> 
>In a message dated 2/18/2006 11:22:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes:
I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, 
  he didn't win anything last month, Metro  defunked what Depitro said 
  about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a lot 
  worse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not 
impressed.
Dear s325run1 -
I can see why you don't use your name.
At least the reporter spelled DePetro right. 
The reporter did NOT quote DePetro regarding the lawsuit. The 
statement is an error in the report. 
I believe you mean, debunked, where you say defunked (isn't that what 
Asbury Partners was supposed to do to the sewer plant?) and where did Metro do 
that exactly? It read to me that Metro was saying it didn't mind getting held up 
at gun point by Fishman. He certainly doesn't say it's not true. What did you 
expect them to say? "Yeah, I really got screwed on this deal. Question is, where 
the hell will I hide the $100 grand plus per unit that I have to make back 
somehow?" 
Hmmm?
Maureen Nevin
Asbury Radio
Maureen NevinAsbury Radio -"The Radio Voice of Asbury 
Park"88.1FM - "5" Years on the Air!!Asbury's Own Live Talk Show601 
Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later 
on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call 
me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463Speak up - It's 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say i t ain’t so!







In a message dated 2/18/2006 7:46:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If 
  the City doesn't get rid of the drugs, hookers and The Kingsley Deli some 
  people might walk. I have seen  some hookers and dealers going into 
  the Deli. If the Deli closes, where will Jerrys kids play? I Wonder if 
  Rita will have them playin her house. There goes that 
neighborhood

 
Fredy fish,
It's I good thing your a faceless sissy, or other wise Rita could 
smack that ridicules smirk of your face. I myself, was taught not to 
hit a girl. You should work as hard as she does, still has time to contribute to 
her community, and all without being a one note player. I guess you would like 
all her other customers to disappear too, so Larry could land bank some more. 
Your comments shows how afraid of the truth you are.
 
It's sad when even the sissies attack old ladies to help Larry. 
Perhaps you are on the city payroll, because anybody who had a real job would 
respect people who work everyday.
 
You could of wrote, if the city had a du diligent 
council that did not trust Weldon or hire Reidy, Jordon and Aaron, the 
city would not have Hookers, Drug Dealers, and the Partners on a dilapidated 
beachfront in 2006, that would have been a true statement. Then, I would know 
you were not a shill for Larry.
 
It is not necessary to mention and defame Rita's name or her 
business on this List, since she does not debate with us. If you want to 
say something to her say it to her face.  
 
You got shit on your face.




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again







  
The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed.
Could you explain to the group, what the reporter got wrong. The 
reporter talks about missed opportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to 
more council meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not 
a secret writer and take cheap shots like you. 
For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said what Nancy 
could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the word "critics" 
when people spoke up at the meetings about the missed 
deadlines in the redevelopment plan. 
Even the Press's Editorials Talk about missed opportunities and 
another summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and the 
rest of the city is picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people 
came to AP for the last 130 years. 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article







To 
   
I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, he 
   
didn't win anything last month, Metro  defunked what Depitro said 
   
about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a 
lot worse. 
The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed.
Could you explain  why you think Depitro lied, he  did win 
something(s) in court and still appealing other things in court that will 
actually help other land owners in the redevelopment zone. Are you spending any 
of your money in lawsuits to protect your property rights.
Could you explain why Glen Fishman could not connect with the the reporter. 
He connected well enough with Malina, Lofferdo, Saunders, Bruno, Weldon, and 
Aaron.
Do you think Dean Geibel 
was actually encouraged by the way in which Partners dealt with him about 
the C-8 site. You have not heard of any stories of other people doing 
business with the Partners in AP.
 I wonder what Dean will say about the Partners in a few months, in the 
next year, and what law suits will come between them in the next few 
years.
 
   In an interview, Asbury 
Partners' principals, Glen Fishman and Hugh Lamle, declined to   
discuss their dealings with subdevelopers like Mr. DePetro. Mr. Lamle, however, 
suggested that some of the criticism comes from those who sought to pay 
bargain-basement prices for development on prime real estate.
On the issue of the boardwalk buildings that 
they are supposed to develop under the plan, the two said they had conducted 
marketing studies, but they would not disclose the results. They said only that 
there was "great interest" among developers for the properties.
The builder of the Esperanza complex, Dean 
Geibel, president of Metro Homes, said he was satisfied that Asbury Partners had 
dealt fairly with him. He said that development fees and infrastructure fees, 
which affect the selling price of units, are commonly the subject of 
negotiations in such deals. He also said that he had agreed to deed over some of 
the commercial space in his planned buildings to Asbury Partners and that it was 
justified by the redevelopers' need to "control the type of retail and tone" of 
the area.
"It is the way for them to make sure that 
the beachfront area is what they want," he said. "I was actually encouraged by 
the way in which they dealt with this part."
 




  
  
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[AsburyPark] City Officials needs your Guidance

2006-02-16 Thread gtscarano212






I stopped by AP City Hall today after what was talked about last night at 
the council meeting.
 
1. Why would the city officials even consider selling of some of it's park 
land.
Does the state have any safe guards about selling or trading green space 
off without pubic bidding. What about the century old Brady 
restrictions. Who really cares about R D R, not the best redeveloper in 
town.
 
2. Is anybody aware the city manager wants to buy 
6 SUV's at $23,000,00 each @ a total of $138,000.00. From 
a dealer in the Morristown area. The Fire dept gets 2, police get 2, and 
the city engineer and building inspector each get one. Would you agreed 
SUV's are gas guzzlers and usually are the most expensive to 
repair than an average full size car. Was Morristown the cheapest and 
closest place to purchase vehicles. Personally, I would shop 
statewide, then hunt for a dealer close by to match the 
contract.  
(The city manager has 2 sectaries and a public relation person. It's no 
rumor that some city hall employees are complaining about the staff 
that got better pay raises than others this year. Who is busy on the 
computer, looking for a new  home. I said, tell the city 
manager.) 
Could some new SUV's be substituted with dealer's showroom 
demo's. What happen to the Gas Company used vehicles 
sold/gave the city a for a $1.00 each. 
So for it's only a purchase order. Maybe it is the best deal? Should 
taxpayers vote on it?
 
3. Should a small parcel of land on Memorial  Drive, by the train 
station, be sold to the Highest bidder before the transit 
village report is presented to the city? Something about a clear title 
problem, that works for AP this time. 
 
4. Should the talks between the Partners and the city officials be blocked 
from the public.
( could not download the AP article about the meeting last night. 
) 
 
5. A  lot of reporters where at the council meeting last night. 
The city pubic relations lady could not fall over one of the reporters 
fast enough. I mean stalk. Phony smiles. Is her gig worth $60.000.00? 
Remember Gail O'Reilly gig?
 
For the first time,last night, it looks like the ice between Loffredo 
& Keady could be melting. Maybe the election scares 
will finally fade away. A 
good thing.  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just curious - no greater than the least






 
That's 
  Metro's modus operandi. They are trying the same thing here. They went 
  ahead and spent money before they had approvals and when you balk, they 
  say that it's not fair. Some on the Council and this City think Metro is 
  the white knight. While I like their building, I say slam the door on them 
  unless they pay for the amendment.
Having been to every Planing Board meeting that pertained to 
the Metro Homes project, the public was assured by the investors and 
their lawyers that Metro understood the financial risks they were taking. I 
believe they said the where going by the P L A N.
 
No guarantees to rebuild a new C-8 if the steel frame was not safe. 
Plain and simple. No argument, no misunderstanding, its about steel above 
ground or in the ground. No guarantees from the Partners that Metro would even 
own C-8 if things went wrong or right, because of other paper work.
 
Terry Reidy repeated the whole discussion in summery before the P B voted 
to let Metro start the design process, so that  the whole room 
would understand what was about to happen. The pre-approval did not mean it was 
a slam done deal, only as to more things along, so Metro could start drawing 
while the structure inspection of C-8 site was completed by 
engineers.
 
Was the pubic lead to believe that the inspection reports would take 
months. I believe the Press at some of the meeting. Pictures in the paper. All 
this according to the P L A N. Then the report funked the footings and then 
city officials start making excuses. Pulled the official P L A N off the web 
site.
 
Who knows how many lawyers, architects, engineers, and planners 
 where at each of the meetings representing the city, the Partners, 
and Metro Homes looked at that Plan. What P L A N were they given to 
represent their respective clients. Nobody ever said C-8 could be rebuilt if it 
came down. Metro was entering this part of picture at it own risk. 
Reidy, Metro, and the lawyers said so.
   
Lofferdo, who is on the Planning Board offer up a different 
summery of the P B meetings at a council meeting. At Council 
public portion, he was call to task.  At the same council meeting 
Reidy said nothing about his own speech at the Planing Board 
meeting. Are there tapes or notes of the Planing Board 
meetings available? Our redevelopment attorney said we have no recourse. Go 
figure? 

 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Just curious






 
Henry is 
  going to implode it, captured on national TV
Also the implosion may used in a Soprano episode, talks are on going.
 

 




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Passing you by...






Sorry group
 
apoojo,
 
i agreed with BB and thought it appropriate to 
comment after listening to his babble that no one sticks up for him 

 
Looks like a silly cheerleader response, Tommy has no 
problem expressing himself.
 On the other hand I may. He defiantly does not need a lurker to 
agreed with him. Tommy like debating and has a lot of supporters who 
sign their real names. When is the last time you talked with Tommy at 
Frank's?
 
As for Joe, he knows more than I know. Unlike him, I do not read 
every posting. If I did I could become testy. I usually read Joe postings 
as they keep most people closer to the facts. As for the deli people I can 
debate them in person. 
 
I thought the public showers was less offensive than working the tearooms 
as I do not know real name. Like you, real names are not important when 
you enter those rooms.
 
 
i do not care about long branch or your personal 
crusade take it elsewhere
 
The fact is that Kevin Brown and his Long 
Branch are on the same crusade as some of the folks in AP and Neptune. 
I think he looking for help and develop a coalition in both 
towns.  
If you had a propriety threaten with Eminent Domain, the Rev. offers lots 
of information. He maybe long winded, but he is thinking outside the box. 
If  Eminent Domain is not an important issue to as it is to him, pass on 
his postings. 
 
 Kevin signs his real name, because has leader, not a 
cheerleader. 
 
 
 
 
 




  
  
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