[AsburyPark] Nextdoor....
Just wondering how many folks here have been using that 'new' Asbury Park forum Nextdoor and what you think of it. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Garbage location
I posted this in the new Nextdoor group and thought it would be of interest here. I've been following the comments about dumpster/garbage storage location and see an increase in improper location of trash containers. Trash containers are not permitted in front yards. A front yard is defined as the area between the wall of the building and the property line. In the oldest parts of the City that distance is 25 feet. which is known as the front yard setback. Front yard setback is consistent with the age of the neighborhoods. Corner properties are considered to have 2 'front yards'. Porches are not considered the front of the building, they are within the front yard. The point of all that is trash containers are to be out of sight. There are exceptions when planning board approvals of developments are granted, but screening/enclosures are usually required. If you see containers at a typical residential property it is probably a violation. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Need a roofer
I have a lot of experience tracking down and fixing leaks.. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "newguysinasbury" wrote: > > Can anyone recommend someone to help with roof repair. Recent rain > caused a leak. Thanks > Jim HestonPatrick Reihing > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Our Yahoo Group is archived for public access and searchable!!!
Perhaps you misunderstood your membership here. This group is a public forum with no restriction on readability. Anyone can read the discussions here No membership needed not even a yahoo id is needed... Its been that way since the begining. Anyone can readhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypark The mail-archive mirror is a back-up to preserve the information here in case yahoo decided to terminate the groups feature or the group expired from non-use. Unfortunately, If you did not want a public record of your contributions - you should not have posted anything. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "boludoamericano" wrote: > > Dear all list members, > > I googled myself and found my postings to this list on > http://www.mail-archive.com which included my address, since that is how we > are supposed to sign our posts. > > I went to http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#privacy to see how to remove > the entries and it says the forum's administrator must request individual > post removal or the entire group, not an individual member. > > I am publicly requesting all my posts be removed from > http://www.mail-archive.com and any similar service that allows public access > to our conversations. I also requesting the entire group's posts archived and > future posts be removed. > > Please let our administrator know how you feel about this issue as well. > > Tom Arana-Wolfe > (Address withheld for privacy issues due to worldwide public access to our > list's postings) > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Wild , Dangerous Beachfront
I took a drive along the beachfront a few minutes ago and am very concerned about public safety with so many people visiting. It is very hazardous down there. Traffic control officers at Asbury Ave and Kingsley St are standing in traffic with no reflective vests making them virtually invisible. Compounding the risk is the installation of industrual flood lights creating blinding glare. One light at the foot of Asbury Ave shines directly West into oncoming traffic ... blinding motorists and making it very difficult to see pedestrians crossing and walking in the streets. Which begs the question .. why are people allowed to jaywalk in the first place with so much activity there? Who is running the show ? Police should have reflective gear on to be visible... Flood lights should not be directed at motorists... People should be on the sidewalks not in the streets... Its dangerous and chaotic down there... not a good impression for visitors to come away with. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Outbreak.... !
I have what must be millions of mosquitos around my property and have never seen such an outbreak in over 30 years that I have been here. Has anyone heard of a mosquito problem or have an unusual number at their place ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Congratulations...
...to all the folks who spent their time and efforts for a council seat. It will be interesting to see what the 'final' totals are from the County Clerk.. Winning positions may change I'm surprised there is so little discussion about this election on this and other forums Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Correction Re: State Inspections
Splitting hairs with exceptions... ? A Multiple Dwelling covered by State regulation is 3 or more units in one structure. Def: (k) The term "multiple dwelling" shall mean any building or structure of one or more stories and any land appurtenant thereto, and any portion thereof, in which three or more units of dwelling space are occupied, or are intended to be occupied by three or more persons who live independently of each other. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > Thank you Werner - we are both kind of right and wrong... > > See the "exceptions" which should be eliminated anyway. If one unit is owner > occupied, then they change. > > It was 1-4 as a rule. Better to own a 3 family or less, then you avoid the > mess. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Correction Re: State Inspections
Oak, State registration and inspection is required for buildings with 3 or more units. Not "...over 4 units..." as you wrote. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: >... > ADDITIONALLY: > > - STATE INSPECTIONS required for over 4 units > > ... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Henry Vaccaro Sr on FB April 9 -
The taxpayers and residents of this City are tasting debt that has increased from $6M, when the current political party took over, to $60M. I think most rational people would find that 'pudding' hard to swallow Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > I like Henry but he's wrong and bitter. Back the City n this and dump MM. It > soon became Fishmanlike after a while. iStar will take over eventually. There > is no love lost betwixt them. I like iStar, and if I could vote, it would be > for Forward Asbury. The proof of the pudding is in the tasting. The City has > improved and weathered a terrible recession. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > copied from there... > > > > > > Henry Vaccaro Sr.9:55am Apr 9 > > I have nothing but utter contempt for the comments made by the city over > > their demands to take over 3 private parking lots on the beachfront . Their > > real agenda is to create more bureaucracy and set up a Parking Authority .I > > would not let them run a doghouse .Look at the screw ups with the parking > > meters The first meters turned out to be the wrong type we still owe > > several hundred thousand on them .The meters have ruined the downtown > > businesses .Look at the money wasted in the Hurricane cleanup .The city for > > over 3 months rented a front end loader for $1800 a day while the city > > loader sat in the city yard. They even paid for "Phantom Machines" and > > employees for the cleanup. Now look at the temporary boardwalk in front of > > Convention Hall which all must be removed in the fall and reinstalled the > > right way .We pay twice for a" Quick Fix ' Belmar had worse problems yet is > > doing it right .Now for Convention Hall It was never maintained by the city > > it didn't get that way over night .Madison Marquette did not cause the > > problems Why didn't the city install sprinklers while they owned it. I have > > a pretty good memory when the roof over the hall and Paramount leaked the > > city's solution paint the ceiling and lay plastic on top of the ceiling to > > catch the water as it came in. Another "Quick Fix" don't address the > > problem just kick it down stream. As far as sprinklers they are demanding > > sprinklers in a unused sub basement under the concrete seating on the first > > level of the Paramount. The floor is concrete the ceiling is concrete and > > the walls are concrete. Simple solution put a fire watch each time a show > > is scheduled after all we have a "Paid Fire Department" Now Madison > > Marquette ,the city should kiss their ass they invested over 70 million of > > private money to rehab all the buildings when nobody and I mean nobody > > would touch Asbury Park. Where would the city be right now without all the > > millions generated in revenue from beach fees and parking if not for > > Madison Marquette It's the same old story with this city "What have you > > done for me lately" > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ID's and IP's
If you re-read that email you will find you misinterpeted the content --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Brian Watkins wrote: > > he sent me an email directly > > > On 10 April 2013 07:28, wernerapnj wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Thank you for the respect, however you are mistaken... in spite of your > > opinion. Some info regarding the 'fessing-up' you refer to ...? > > > > Thanks - > > > > Werner > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Brian Watkins > > wrote: > > > > > > With all due respect Werner...Glen fessed up about the DougTheDope ID > > last > > > year. > > > > > > And you will also see my IP come through as Norcross GA sometimes...even > > > while I reply right down the street from you on 5th Ave, so that poibt is > > > moot > > > > > > So while I respect everything you say about our beloved city and your > > > friendship with GlennI do not believe for one second it is not him > > > under both IDs > > > > > > Thanks > > > Brian > > > On Apr 9, 2013 7:43 PM, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glen is not Doug... > > > > Glen is not Edith... > > > > Doug is not Edith... > > > > > > > > Doug is in Denville NJ > > > > Edith is in Toms River NJ > > > > Glen is in Carmel NY > > > > > > > > Glen's Duck (D4) Died... R.I.P > > > > > > > > Hope that clears things up > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > *- C. Brian Watkins* > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Henry Vaccaro Sr on FB April 9 -
The simple reality is, parking is not a permitted use on the land in question. A special temporary permit was issued that has expired - and a short extension was granted. The City is not 'taking over' private lots. In fact those parking lots are there only due to the special permission granted by the City. The owner - iStar - has no intrinsic right to build and operate parking lots on those sites. Aside from that, Henry does make some good points. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > copied from there... > > > Henry Vaccaro Sr. 9:55am Apr 9 > I have nothing but utter contempt for the comments made by the city over > their demands to take over 3 private parking lots on the beachfront . Their > real agenda is to create more bureaucracy and set up a Parking Authority .I > would not let them run a doghouse .Look at the screw ups with the parking > meters The first meters turned out to be the wrong type we still owe several > hundred thousand on them .The meters have ruined the downtown businesses > .Look at the money wasted in the Hurricane cleanup .The city for over 3 > months rented a front end loader for $1800 a day while the city loader sat in > the city yard. They even paid for "Phantom Machines" and employees for the > cleanup. Now look at the temporary boardwalk in front of Convention Hall > which all must be removed in the fall and reinstalled the right way .We pay > twice for a" Quick Fix ' Belmar had worse problems yet is doing it right .Now > for Convention Hall It was never maintained by the city it didn't get that > way over night .Madison Marquette did not cause the problems Why didn't the > city install sprinklers while they owned it. I have a pretty good memory when > the roof over the hall and Paramount leaked the city's solution paint the > ceiling and lay plastic on top of the ceiling to catch the water as it came > in. Another "Quick Fix" don't address the problem just kick it down stream. > As far as sprinklers they are demanding sprinklers in a unused sub basement > under the concrete seating on the first level of the Paramount. The floor is > concrete the ceiling is concrete and the walls are concrete. Simple solution > put a fire watch each time a show is scheduled after all we have a "Paid Fire > Department" Now Madison Marquette ,the city should kiss their ass they > invested over 70 million of private money to rehab all the buildings when > nobody and I mean nobody would touch Asbury Park. Where would the city be > right now without all the millions generated in revenue from beach fees and > parking if not for Madison Marquette It's the same old story with this city > "What have you done for me lately" > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Werner and Brian stop fighting.......You are both.....
Very kind of you - Whoever you are Fight.. Where ? I see no fight here... Simply opinions vs facts. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dougthedope12345" wrote: > > tremendous assets to the city of Asbury Park. I greatly enjoy your postings. > I have learned a great deal from both of you. What I would really enjoy is if > you guys made a list of suggestions as to how you think this city can best be > turned around and post them for all the candidates to read. I respect both > your insights and I think a balanced viewpoint is necessary. There are pros > and cons to all issues in the city. You should all recall, unlike Edith, I am > a huge supporter of Ed Johnson and John Loffredo and questioned the motives > of last years recall. Governing Asbury Park is difficult. Like Edith, I agree > that people have a right to not be cajoled into who to vote for and everyone > deserves the right to state their political platform. Oh, and to tell the > absolute truth, I do really like Amy Quinn, a lot. Unlike Edith, I have in > the past been a huge supporter of Terry and Chief Mark. Its a shame, in this > large town (15,000) that there is so much avarice. I hope it stops soon. Try > and treat everyone fairly, and as President Obama has so clearly stated, 'Try > and put yourselves in the shoes of the other person.' And most of all, look > in the mirror and don't take yourselves too seriously. Let me give everyone a > predictionAsbury Park's future is very bright. And what a great place to > be. Black, white, latino...gay and straight, Asbury Park can be the model for > how municipalities throughout America can live and love. YES WE CAN..and > we will! > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ID's and IP's
Thank you for the respect, however you are mistaken... in spite of your opinion. Some info regarding the 'fessing-up' you refer to ...? Thanks - Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Brian Watkins wrote: > > With all due respect Werner...Glen fessed up about the DougTheDope ID last > year. > > And you will also see my IP come through as Norcross GA sometimes...even > while I reply right down the street from you on 5th Ave, so that poibt is > moot > > So while I respect everything you say about our beloved city and your > friendship with GlennI do not believe for one second it is not him > under both IDs > > Thanks > Brian > On Apr 9, 2013 7:43 PM, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > > Glen is not Doug... > > Glen is not Edith... > > Doug is not Edith... > > > > Doug is in Denville NJ > > Edith is in Toms River NJ > > Glen is in Carmel NY > > > > Glen's Duck (D4) Died... R.I.P > > > > Hope that clears things up > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] ID's and IP's
Glen is not Doug... Glen is not Edith... Doug is not Edith... Doug is in Denville NJ Edith is in Toms River NJ Glen is in Carmel NY Glen's Duck (D4) Died... R.I.P Hope that clears things up Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM pays $188,000 in taxes on CH - can they PAY ZERO?
3,356,000 Total 188,000 taxes 17.85 per 1000 assessed valuation Appears that they are paying the full tax rate... Any figures - assessment, taxes - on the Casino and pavilions ? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > 456,000 land 2,900,000 building. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > What is the assessed value of ConHall... > > > > Land ? > > Building ? > > > > Werner > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > > Looked at Count Basie and Two River - they pay ZERO ($0.00) in taxes. > > > > > > So if MM moves the whole thing to a non-profit > > > > > > or can they pay less in taxes - with some smarter tax setup? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: MM pays $188,000 in taxes on CH - can they PAY ZERO?
What is the assessed value of ConHall... Land ? Building ? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > Looked at Count Basie and Two River - they pay ZERO ($0.00) in taxes. > > So if MM moves the whole thing to a non-profit > > or can they pay less in taxes - with some smarter tax setup? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pickelball anyone?
Better Hurry up and make a presentation to City Council... or beter yet to the School Board (its their property) The Tennis Courts at the Middle School are not used for tennis ... But... A presentation was made tonight by an organized Skateboard group to use the courts for skateboarding... Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > Looking for anyone looking to learn and okay. Trying to get a league organized > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > Age is no barrier. Met a few guys in florida who return to the shore for > > the summer looking to get together. Might be in spring lake area. I need to > > find unused tennis courts and or towns willing to convert a few to > > pickelball. Half the size of a tennis court and fun. Fb page coming as the > > web site. Interested let me know. Anyone any age welcome. > > Id love to use ch > > > > Let me know. Anyone has their own tennis court...? > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Mottola resigns
DoH ! ---LOL ---LOL ROTFL... etc I Missed that completely... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Doug M" wrote: > > The date, April 1, should have said it all. Very funny post! > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > Typical for Asbury Park... making stuff up > > Some sources for all this news would be helpful > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > > 1. Mm to replace GM > > > > > > 2. Parking fees to rise by .50 per hour > > > > > > 3. Liquor 1% city liquor tax in AP > > > > > > > > > 4. Metro homes to return and begin construction. > > > > > > 5. New firehouse finally approved > > > > > > 6. Carousel plans released > > > > > > 7. Sixth Ave pavilion to become hard rock a few and Beach club > > > > > > 8. Pizza will be sold on the boardwalk > > > > > > 9. Beer to be sold on Beach. > > > . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Mottola resigns
Typical for Asbury Park... making stuff up Some sources for all this news would be helpful --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > 1. Mm to replace GM > > 2. Parking fees to rise by .50 per hour > > 3. Liquor 1% city liquor tax in AP > > > 4. Metro homes to return and begin construction. > > 5. New firehouse finally approved > > 6. Carousel plans released > > 7. Sixth Ave pavilion to become hard rock a few and Beach club > > 8. Pizza will be sold on the boardwalk > > 9. Beer to be sold on Beach. > . > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Disclosure
I replied to a post from TDA732 on the Star Ledger site about the Sprinkler fiasco - I repeat it here TDA732 It astounds me that, no matter what, people can turn a positive into a negative. Asbury Park has completely revived itself. As a woman in her mid-twenties I frequent AP often with friends. I'll be honest, the first time it was mentioned, I thought my friends had lost their minds AP does not have the best reputation, but the city has completely revitalized itself. The people in office should be rewarded with cheers of gratitude, but all I see is grief that it is not being done fast enough. 50 Minutes Ago · Reply · Like · Flag Werner Your experience and conclusions are very common of those who have a limited view of what is going on in Asbury Park. Yes - there have been improvements - the common reaction is to declare 'It's better than it was' - which is also true. However, that is not the correct way to measure the success of a redevelopment project. That is the issue - A declaration of a redevelopment area allows the taking of private property and turning it over to a redeveloper, this is a very serious power of the government and should not be taken lightly. In return for this exercise of government power the developer commits to develop according to an adopted plan. Asbury Park gave many concessions to attract development. For example, Allowing $12M in tax liens to be paid off with $6M - Leaving the City still in debt by $6M. The City also sold ALL its public property along the beachfront for a very undervalued price. That includes the Convention Hall, Paramount Theater, Casino Arena, Casino Carousel House, Central Heating Plant, 5 existing Pavilions, Building sites of 4 additional Pavilions, Public street and blocks of public property. That was 10 years ago and at this time the Development was to have been completed with all the former public properties restored (CH, CAS, HP, PAVS, etc), 400,000 square feet of retail space and 3000 condominium units. Please note that none of this had happened. Instead the City is now $60M in debt instead of $6M. But visually - "It's better than it was" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Saturday Star-Ledger
Here's a link to the online version http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2013/03/impasse_convention_hall_asbury.html Interesting comments Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A Poor Match
Good to see the group come back to life... Several posters have noticed that perhaps MM has not managed the ConHall in the best way. I agree, and will add it is becoming evident the business model of MM and the needs of Asbury Park are not a good match. A look at MM as a company and the projects they engage in shows they are very experienced with retail shopping malls, which are the core of their business. Residential development appears to be secondary only as a means to create retail traffic by way of 'shoppers' in close proximity. "lifestyle Centers" is the buzz word. While this business model would seem to fit the current redevelopment plan as adopted - it is failing since the 3000+ condos have never become a reality - which they should have at this point in the project timeline. It has been 10 years of --- redevelopment? This may be a blessing for Asbury Park since the adopted plan has never been appropriate for Asbury Park - which I have been saying for the past decade. The Plan needs to be amended to address our strength, that of a heritage, entertainment, resort destination. Which brings us to the ConHall (and Casino, Pavilions, Hotels, etc). MM has no experience, that I can find, managing entertainment venues such as the Paramount and ConHall. It is no surprise that they are under utilized - it does not fit their business model. Nor does the remnants of the Casino In addition - being a National Historic Site brings its own set of assets and responsibilities which they have difficulty dealing with. A large scale shift must be adopted by MM and iStar to embrace development of a historic year round entertainment destination. That is what Asbury Park needs and is designed for. Shopping and residential uses should be a secondary consideration. Werner City Historian in Exle Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Another Whitewash
Ironic - shortly after my prior post regarding the defacing of our classic buildings I see a report about the Asbury Lanes... Note the before and after photos... what a shame. http://asburyparksun.com/new-color-new-coat-of-paint-at-asbury-lanes/ http://asburyparksun.com/new-management-takes-over-at-asbury-lanes/ I have heard the ... 'cleaning it up'... explaination far to often over the years. Poorly informed management. A brick building is supposed to have visual interest... texture, patina,.. a natural appearance. Painting brick is a bad idea on many levels, aesthetics, maintainance issues, moisture retention.not at all preservation minded. :-( Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Defacing of Asbury Park
Reading a post on the Asbury Park Sun today reminded me of a threat the City has been facing for decades... The defacement of its vintage and historic structures. The damage is incremental and hardly noticed until it reaches a critical mass and adversely effects the character of the community. Some notable examples. - A classic brick residential/commercial building at 6th and Main; painted. - The former North Asbury Park RR Station at Memorial Dr. of brick and exposed wood beams; painted. - A brick building at Summerfield and Emory; painted - The Windor Building at Main and Bangs, a historic site; painted, antenna dishes, inappropriate commercial facades. - The Arthur Pryor Pavilion; stuccoed over, painted, remodeled. - Many classic brick Main St. buildings; stuccoed over, painted, inappropriate storefronts, etc... Stucco, paint, inappropriate storefronts, remodeling The clasic, historic look and feel of Asbury Park is being erased in a slow steady assault. The Sun posting has a photo of a beautiful brick commercial building with inappropriate signage covering what should be transom windows, a character defining feature of the building. http://asburyparksun.com/rebearth-art-supply-and-lifestyle-to-close/ This board has been inactive for so long, but at least my concerns are now part of public record... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Istar-city tax deal...it's all about the kids
What is "broken" about it ? Tax abatement is a legally permitted process to encourage development. It reduces the property tax bill and if crafted properly increases or at least is equal to the City receiving what it would have without an abatement. I was very outspoken when abatements were being formalized to inform the Council that the City should get its fair share or more for allowing the abatement. The school system has enough money to throw away, don't you think ? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > ...The county will receive five percent of the payment, as required by law, > and the school district will not receive payment. > > A broken system. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How others see Asbury Park....
Thanks, If that is the case, why are the students doing so poorly if they are so involved in sports ? Why are they allowed to play ? To your comment about 'Inner City/crime ridden/low scored schools'... If sports is so positive why are they that why. Your assertions do not make sense. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: > > State laws mandate that student athletes maintain an above passing grade to > play sportsyou don't pass, you don't play > > Take the time to do the research on Inner City/crime ridden/low scored > schools and how athletics play a role, you'll be surprised how positive it is > > > > Thank you, > > C. Brian Watkins > cbrianwatkins@... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How others see Asbury Park....
Is participation in athletics contingent upon maintaining a set standard of academic performance ? I would think that is the case - sports should be a reward for good grades. However I cant help but wonder how the sports performance can be so good and the academic performance so bad... perhaps there is no such requirement ? If that is the case - then that is the root of the problem - Astro-Turf, Blue Paint and a (bastardized) historic stadium is not the solution. My vision - CLOSE THE HIGH SHOOL - send the students to adjacent high schools. Re-open the building as a Regional Vocational Education Center.. Automotive, Building Trades, Culinary (already exists), Arts, Law, Sports, Business etc. This would be a magnet location for all of Monmouth County and the 'reward' for performing well at local High Schools. The State $$$ currently being spent would be put to better use in this direction. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Educating for Justice wrote: > > Werner, > > Thanks for posting the article about the football field. I just posted a > response on the APP website to those who were critical of this project. > > Here is what I wrote > > ### > Let me preface my comments by saying that I am a former City Councilman in > Asbury Park and that I coached for one season at the high school. > > For people who do not live in Asbury Park and do not work with the kids in > the city, I think it is difficult to grasp how little leverage teachers and > community leaders have over kids here. Basically, many of the kids in town > feel they have nothing to lose, thus the poor graduation rates, crime, > gangs, etc. To turn this tide, that leverage has to be created. Now, some > might say, "it has to start with the families." If this is your response, I > would say that you are very much out of touch with the reality that we face. > Too many families here are horrifically dysfunctional at best (i.e. this is > not a starting point). > > So, why does having a good athletic facility make sense to address the > broader social and economic concerns that have been raised by critics here? > > 1. You create a first class football program and now the kids have a shot > at something through football - college. They do not want to lose this. > They love the game. The game can carry them beyond Asbury Park. They now > have something to lose - thus, we adults have leverage. Go to class, get > good grades, don't get arrested, etc. This all starts to make sense to them > when they have something to lose. > > 2. You keep those good athletes engaged and passing their classes, now they > are eligible for other sports - basketball, wrestling, baseball. Now you > have them locked into positive activities year-round. Keeps them off the > streets. > > 3. These kids are natural leaders. They are either going to lead in > something positive or something negative. Once they start leading in the > positive stuff, the other kids will follow, now you start to build real > momentum and you have a shot at turning the ship around. > > So, while a $700k outlay for a field may seem like a lot at first glance, > it must be seen as an investment in turning around decades of crime, failure > and neglect. Would you rather spend the $700k up front with a plan in place > like the above or would you rather keep the cycle going and pay $50-100k per > year per kid to have them locked up at Jamesburg? > > I could go on with the positive potential of this facility and will if > asked, but I think readers should get a sense of why this is a very good > thing for the AP community and for state taxpayers that are underwriting > much of the school and municipal budgets in Asbury Park. I, like many > others, want AP to become fiscally self-sufficient, this field, as strange > as it may seem, can be a catalyst to move the city in that direction. > > Peace, Jim Keady > ### > -- > Jim Keady, Director > Educating for Justice, Inc. > jim@... > 732.988.7322 > www.educatingforjustice.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Check out New bike racks cruising into downtown â¹ Asbury Park Sun
I find it interesting that the article plays up that the business owners were asked for input on the locations of the racks. I am predicting that the placement will in fact not take into account the public. I predict that they will be placed such that they cause obstruction of the sidewalk for pedestrians and passengers exiting parked vehicles. I base this on the past track record of 'improvements' in Asbury Park. I hope I am proved wrong... Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@... wrote: > > _New bike racks cruising into downtown â¹ Asbury Park Sun_ > (http://asburyparksun.com/new-bike-racks-cruising-into-downtown/) > > Steve Herman, 805 6th ave, AP > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] How others see Asbury Park....
Regarding the School Athletic Field... http://www.app.com/comments/article/20120903/NJNEWS/309030010/Asbury-Park-High-School-unveil-new-football-field And to think they wanted a BLUE field... The use of blue color is already overwealming... http://www.app.com/article/20120903/NJNEWS/309030010/Asbury-Park-High-School-unveil-new-football-field Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bone of Contention
Good idea... I've forwarded my question to her. There are however board members on this group also... Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: > > The person best suited for these questions is probably Molly Mulshine > > You've seen with your own eyes there is little to no activity in this group > anymore. > > > Thank you, > > C. Brian Watkins > cbrianwatkins@... > > -Original Message- > From: "wernerapnj" > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:43:17 > To: > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AsburyPark] Bone of Contention > > Is this report misleading ? > > http://asburyparksun.com/dog-park-a-bone-of-contention-for-historical-society/ > > Was the membership polled ? I have heard nothing of a question being posed to > the members on the dog park issue. > > I suspect that the comments and contention referred to in the report are > within the 'Board of Trustees' and not the membership at large. > > Clarification? > > Also where can I get a copy of the proposed dogpark design ? > > Werner > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bone of Contention
Is this report misleading ? http://asburyparksun.com/dog-park-a-bone-of-contention-for-historical-society/ Was the membership polled ? I have heard nothing of a question being posed to the members on the dog park issue. I suspect that the comments and contention referred to in the report are within the 'Board of Trustees' and not the membership at large. Clarification? Also where can I get a copy of the proposed dogpark design ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Downtown Gas Regulators
??? Well ??? I had thought there were folks from Downtown on this group This issue certainly seemed to upset the business community when it was reported as taking place in Asbury Park. As a related observation - it appears that participation in this group had gone to 'next-to-zero'. What forum, if any, is being used to discuss Asbury Park related news and concerns ? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > Several months ago there was a controversy regarding the installation of > equipment by NJ Natural Gas along the sidewalks downtown. > > Apparantly Red Bank had the same issue but challanged it in court... > > http://www.redbankgreen.com/2012/06/red-bank-scores-first-in-gas-meter-suit.html > > So... What happened in Asbury Park regarding this ? > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Downtown Gas Regulators
Several months ago there was a controversy regarding the installation of equipment by NJ Natural Gas along the sidewalks downtown. Apparantly Red Bank had the same issue but challanged it in court... http://www.redbankgreen.com/2012/06/red-bank-scores-first-in-gas-meter-suit.html So... What happened in Asbury Park regarding this ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Moving Company
A friend of mine used Lowy's to move to Maryland as part of the Ft Monmouth relocation and was very happy with the service given - Note that they are agents for Wheaton Van Lines. "...While Wheaton agents are individually owned and operated businesses, each one has met the service and quality standards set to become an agent for Wheaton World Wide Moving. So when you're dealing with a Wheaton agent on your interstate relocation, you're dealing with Wheaton. ..." Lowy's does local moves also. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "cjlowell" wrote: > > Lowy's is good. Local & very nice people. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Frank Danieli wrote: > > > > Any recommendations on a moving company? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Yesterday in Review
There was very little foot traffic and few vehicles on 5th Ave east of Grand. I walked down to the Wonderbar around 6pm and things were busy, fun and orderly. Very young crowd in general. The flow of people North along the boardwalk was constant and I headed South toward the Casino. There were very few patrons in any of the boardwalk businesses. Perhaps they did better earlier in the day or after the event ? As I headed down Cookman toward downtown it became obvious that the new sidewalks are painfully undersized. Constantly being bunped into as I stayed my course westbound. The only comfortable area was along Wesley Grove with 10+ feet of walking area. I was looking forward to the Kennedy Park party but is was deserted... as was the entire downtown. Headed back home along Grand uneventfully with just a Police Officer at each cross street going East and little activity. Got home and finaly heard the fireworks start - grabbed my camera and caught a few shotsWoope Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Bamboozle Meeting
Apparently a meeting at the Paramount Theater last night... Not a single comment yet - did anyone on the board attend? if so please give a report. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Vive
I just read an article regarding the development to be constructed at Asbury Ave and Kingsley St called Vive. It was written that final site plan approval was given on March 12. I saw no announcements of Planning Board or TRC Committee hearings on this project. Does anyone here recall being aware of the hearings? Did anyone here attend? Does anyone have a copy of the facade renderings? My gut feeling, (having no information at this time) is that this project likely violates the Redevelopment Plan design standards. Can anyone give some details about this project? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
That is good news... The same issue exists for Kingsley Street - The plan currently makes retail optional. Considering that the seasonal weather has such a large effect on Ocean Ave it would be prudent to mandate retail/ entertainment uses along Kingley which is sheltered from the harshness of the oceanfront in the off season. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" wrote: > > > > > > As many have said, Wesley Grove's biggest flaw is the lack of retail on > > Cookman. Sounds like this problem has been realized and will be addressed > > come time to start building again. I would safely assume at the time it > > was designed, they didn't feel they would be able to lease enough retail to > > fill out a block, so they designed without it. Much of Cookman (and the > > boardwalk) was still vacant at the time and it wouldn't have made sense for > > them to build retail they couldn't lease. They did place one small retail > > bay at the corner of Cookman and Heck. > > > > Which is why I was adamant on the waterfront redevelopment advisory committee > to have a mandatory requirement of a minimum percentage of frontage on > Cookman as retail. All wanted pedestrians to be drawn along Cookman to > betwixt Downtown and the BW but the mandatory requirement was being fought. > Eventually I was able to make the committee see (thanks to Terry) that the > only way to ensure some retail on Cookman was to make it mandatory. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
I attended the planning board presentations on the project and Phase 2 is to be a duplicate of Phase 1 except for a retail component along Grand Ave, with different architecture. Hopefully the Phase 2 design will be revisited. My point was that the Redevelopment Plan was largely ignored. A creative design that works with the diagonal cut throughs could have been developed. Yes it would have been more difficult, but having view corridors to the Lake and allowing light and air through the block would have been better than the monolithic barrier that resulted. The intent was not to make them vehicular paths - they were proposed as pedestrian walks with residences fronting on them. Clearly the developers interests are to maximize unit count and develop a repetitive design that can be 'mass-produced' to reduce costs. Hence - the homogeneous facade and duplicated floor plans and site plans. As it is, the Lake Ave side has no interface with the street - all the units face interior court yards. The sidewalks are extremely narrow and the entire look and feel is one of a closed / private development instead of a vibrant part of the City streetscape that encourages outdoor activities and interfaces with the lake. Community centric design that embraces public spaces and natural assets such as the lake would have been a better direction. The Phase 3 (north side of Cookman) proposal was also very poor from a community design perspective - Blank facades facing the street/sidewalk with residential units facing the interior of the block. Certainly the missing retail on Cookman is an issue - the thought at the time was to not compete with the resurgence of downtown as you commented. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" wrote: > > I wouldn't go as far as to say the design of the stump field will be the > same. Just because the foundations are layed out a certain way doesn't mean > the building that gets put up has to look or function the same way. The > stumps site will almost certainly contain retail on Cookman (too lucrative a > location now) and will likely have a different facade design then the current > building. > > The diagonal street grids are a nightmare for planning and design, and those > streets didn't do much in terms of pedestrial flow to the lake. If anything, > they make the walk to the lake longer but taking you diagonally through the > site. The layout now is no different than how the business district of > Cookman Ave works, and much less confusion to car traffic and pedestrian flow. > > As many have said, Wesley Grove's biggest flaw is the lack of retail on > Cookman. Sounds like this problem has been realized and will be addressed > come time to start building again. I would safely assume at the time it was > designed, they didn't feel they would be able to lease enough retail to fill > out a block, so they designed without it. Much of Cookman (and the > boardwalk) was still vacant at the time and it wouldn't have made sense for > them to build retail they couldn't lease. They did place one small retail > bay at the corner of Cookman and Heck. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Wesley Grove
Some facts about Wesley Grove that folks may find interesting. The design of the complex does not conform to the design intent of the Redevelopment Plan. Recall that there was a diagonal street across that block originally - The plan recommended that it be retained as a public / pedestrian thoroughfare to provide walkability between Cookman and Lake Ave and a neighborhood feel. The plan also specifies that a 'block-face' should incorporate differing architecture to alleviate visual monotony in favor of visual interest and better scale. Neither of those 2 important design criteria were met in the final product. Wesley Lake has been 'walled-off' by a building with homogeneous features. Typical of suburban development. An opportunity has been lost to use important character defining features of Asbury Park in favor of high density construction that is easy to build. The specs of the redevelopment plan were ignored. Note also that Phase 2 (the stump field) will be a replica of Phase 1. I wonder if any residents of Wesley Grove have experienced problems with mold / mildew ? During construction the project was halted and exposed to the elements for a considerable time unprotected from the weather. The exterior sheathing turned black... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Convention Hall
The primary problem is a poorly crafted redevelopment plan and contract that gave inadequate protections to the City and public. An unwillingness/inability to fix those mistakes going forward virtually assures further erosion of what remains of the City's heritage. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > Convention Hall is technically private property sold to Asbury Partners and I > assume transferred to the Madison Asbury entity. Yes it is under state > preservation guidelines, but in reality there is little the city or anyone > else can do. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Convention Hall
Several Months ago the City settled its arbitration case and I recall reading in the document that they were 'off-the-hook' regarding any further repairs to ConHall. The wording was something to the effect that all work done to date satisfies their obligation and no additional restoration was required. As to ownership, adding to Jim's comments - Unfortunately the building was sold to Asbury Partners and subsequently placed under the control of Madison Asbury Retail LLC. It is private property with minimal ability for public oversight. I will say that if the City acknowledged my appointment as City Historian, losses like this would be far less likely and I would make certain that preservation and heritage were a part of all City dealings as I did when my position was in good standing. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jwkeady" wrote: > > I am not sure about that Dan. > > As I recall (and I would have to go back into my files to be sure) there is a > clear timeline of deliverables for Convention Hall as per the Dispute > Resolution Agreement that was negotiated between the City and Asbury > Partners. Part of those deliverables deals with the rehabilitation of > Convention Hall. I am not sure if the panels in question are under the > purview of that agreement, but it is worth a look. > > Also, there is always the ability of the City to utilize a quid pro quo in > their negotiations and the replacement of the copper panels could most > definitely be part of any future negotiations. The problem has been, and you > know this as well as I do, that the negotiations to date have tended to be > quid, quid, quid with no quo for the City. > > Peace, Jim Keady > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > Convention Hall is technically private property sold to Asbury Partners and > > I assume transferred to the Madison Asbury entity. Yes it is under state > > preservation guidelines, but in reality there is little the city or anyone > > else can do. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tree Butchering
"One Texas homeowner pulled a gun on a utility tree trimming crew during a storm last winter. Another parked his Hummer under a tree so crews couldn't trim it. "We've had to get restraining orders," says Jeamy Molina, spokeswoman for Oncor, the state's largest power company" http://www.angieslist.com/articles/utility-tree-trimming-policies-outrage-homeowners.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tree Butchering
It's that time again - when the Power Company Tree Butchers roam the streets of Asbury Park hacking and slashing at our at one time beautiful treescape. Ironic that the City received the coveted Tree City designation from the State while the objects of the award (the TREES) are systematically killed by year after year of butchering. I have watched this circus show for decades and can assure anyone that this has not been good for the trees. They become stressed with open wounds and slowly die as malformed shadows of their former beauty. One need not look far to compare blocks of unbutchered London Planes (a Sycamore) to the decimated remains of those that have gotten the 'treatment'. Very sad - Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tidbit of History
An attribution as to the source of this please. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > Milton Rosenberg was not related to Julius Rosenberg, whom he had never met. > The child of struggling Orthodox Jews who had fled Eastern Europe, he was a > staunch anti-communist, a Republican and a civilian Air Force employee since > 1941. So he was shocked, when an Air Force officer entered his office and > told him that he was being dismissedwithout payas a security threat. His > dismissal, based on Executive Order 9835, the loyalty program President Harry > Truman authorized in 1947, was effective immediately. Rosenberg was escorted > from the building to his car. > > By the time he arrived at his apartment in nearby Asbury Park, he was ashen, > says his widow, Eva Rosenberg, now 93 and living near Cleveland, Ohio. "We > had young children," she recalls. "Paula was seven and Stuart was four. Karen > was an infant." Her mother cried, recalls her daughter Paula Hecker, who now > lives in Tucson, Arizona. "I remember a lot of hysteria." > Rosenberg was given no explanation for his dismissal. "For 30 days we didn't > know why," says Eva Rosenberg. On October 12 he received a letter from the > Central Loyalty-Security Board, detailing the charges: > > 1. "On all the evidence, reasonable grounds exist for the belief that your > immediate removal is warranted by the demands of national security. The > evidence indicates that: During the period from 1945 to May 1950, at or near > Washington Village, Asbury Park, NJ, you associated to a close and habitual > degree with Louis Kaplan, who, evidence in the files of the Air Force > indicates, has been active in the affairs of the Civil Rights Congress and of > the Communist Party. The Civil Rights Congress has been designated by the > Attorney General of the United States as communist. The Communist Party has > been designated by the Attorney General of the United States as communist, > subversive and seeking to alter the form of government of the United States > by unconstitutional means. > > 2. The foregoing reported association, and all the evidence related thereto, > indicates that you have been and are a member, close affiliate or sympathetic > associate to the Communist Party." > > Until earlier that year, Milton Rosenberg and his family had lived on one end > of a two-block-long garden apartment project called Washington Village. The > aforementioined Louis Kaplanknown for writing "communist-sympathetic" > letters to the editor of the local newspaper, The Asbury Park Evening > Presslived at the other end. The Rosenbergs had never associated socially or > politically with Kaplan, a stout, balding man who had left his job at the > Fort Monmouth Standards Agency in 1947. He had become a chicken farmer, and > his wife Ruth sold eggs to neighbors. > > Executive Order 9835 protected the confidentiality of informants, so > Rosenberg was in the dark as to the source of the information that had led to > his dismissal, but he did have a right to an administrative hearing before > the loyalty board. Sidney Meistrich, a friend, prominent local attorney and a > leader at Asbury Park's Congregation Sons of Israel, the Orthodox synagogue > where the Rosenbergs' two older children attended religious school, counseled > Rosenberg to hire a non-Jewish lawyer. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Government / Politics
For decades I have been an observer of the local antics, attempting to stay out of such matters and focus of advocating for what is in the best interests of the City. My efforts resulted in my becoming a 'political prisoner' in the most literal sense. Allow me to share my observations The current system of 5 Council Members being elected simultaneously has been the downfall of Asbury Park. It has led to 2 typical scenarios. - When the majority is replaced - there is no continuity of policy and transferable knowledge base to keep the City stable. - When the Majority stays in office - there is stagnation and a lack of new ideas to stimulate progress and innovation. Clearly the solution would be to stagger terms and have term limits which would promote both continuity and new ideas. The current system is more a popularity contest of special interest groups instead of a vetting of City management credentials among the candidates. (has anyone ever seem the current Council Members Resumes?) Take note that the current power base had promised to do just that when first coming to power in 2000 - Curious how once in power that campaign issue seems to have been forgotten about. Holding power seems to overshadowed doing what is best for the City. Ideally the current form of Government should be changed to that of the Commission Form of Government where each elected member is the head of a department: 1. Department of Public Affairs 2. Department of Public Safety 3. Department of Public Works 4. Department of Parks and Public Property 5. Department of Revenue and Finance Candidates would be elected based upon their resumes and capabilities instead of popularity and get busy with fixing what is wrong with Asbury Park. The law allows the appointment of an overall Administrator but each elected official would be held accountable for his/her area of responsibility. In a City such as Asbury park where most problems are one of basic management and City services this form of government would be particularly useful. If there is lack of performance, the next election will make a change. I hope this all gives pause for thought. Werner City Historian Emeritus Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City Council Meeting Tonight
WHAT ! - Agendas and Minutes not posted ! - I am shocked... Well, not really On that topic - There is no legal requirement that Agendas and Minutes be posted on the Web, however one would think that if there is a website heading or page, that the information would be there... I doubt that Minutes even exist for most of the Boards, Commissions and Committees, as required by law... Can't disclose what doesn't exist. :-( Is anyone interested in a project to request such documents officially to see what is produced ? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Educating for Justice wrote: > > Friends of AP: > > I just checked the City¹s website to confirm that there is a City Council > meeting tonight. > > There is. > > However, there are no agendas posted for preview under the header - ³CITY > COUNSEL MEETING AGENDA & MINUTES.² Also, note the spelling error - it is > ³Council² NOT ³Counsel.² > > Peace, JWK > -- > Jim Keady, Director > Educating for Justice, Inc. > jim@... > 732.988.7322 > www.educatingforjustice.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] To Band Shell,or Not to Band Shell, that.....
Well the answer is, the roof of the Band Shell has been neglected for so long that it has become a hazard with lumber being blown off in high winds onto the Boardwalk and Ocean Avenue. The roof surface deteriorated to such a degree that the underlying roof deck (wood) is rotting. Keep in mind that about a million dollars was spent on remodeling the Pavilion... and not a penny spent on the Band Shell roof... Hm. The City has ordered that the hazard be mitigated, hence the current work to remove loose and rotting parts. Stay tuned to see if it is rebuilt or removed entirely. The Casino Arena, The Metropolitan Hotel, The Elks Lodge and others all come to mind... demolition by neglect. :-( Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Band Shell
If there were any intention of complying with the Redevelopment Plan to preserve and restore the 5th Avenue Pavilion it would have been done by now instead of having spent significant resources on an inappropriate (non-conforming) remodeling. I hereby publicly predict that the 5th Avenue Pavilion will NEVER be properly restored to the architectural marvel it was when originally designed and constructed. I hope I am wrong. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Parking Meter Fiasco + Rafferty's
Went to Rafferty's last night and used the 'meter' for the first time. My experience and impressions- - can not see the keypad well - is is not lit up ! - No light in the panel to illuminate it from the exterior and no back lighting within the keys. This is ridiculous - Basic human factors engineering - If you cant reliably see and read the input device it will be a problem using it. - the receipt is not obvious - it drops into a closed compartment at the bottom of the unit at about crotch level - again no light or indication that it's there. Delivering it out a slot in plain sight would make more sense - more on this later. - the screen dialogue is flawed - one has to select a time first and then insert the money for just that time - I wanted an hour and a half and could only pay for 1 hour. Tried to 'Add Time' but the dialogue would not accept 30 minutes additional as input. - more on this later. Had a great meal at Rafferty's - they have never disappointed. Watching the clock indicated a need to feed-the-meter. Went out and purchased another hour, grabbed the receipt (now that I could find the delivery chamber) and returned to my meal. My companion looks at the receipt and notices that it's for 30 minutes - I know I put a dollar in - so we look at the original receipt - oh sh*t a different space, number 5276 instead of 5279 - must have misdialed (no lighting - remember) She runs out to take care of it and comes back with 2 receipts... ??? Seems that my receipt was still on the machine - I reached in and grabbed someone else's receipt that they had left behind (likely because they had no idea it was there). Now we are looking at 3 receipts for our transactions... original transaction - 6:18 - 1 dollar - good to 7:18 I add 1 hour- 7:16 - add 1 dollar - good to 8:16 She adds 30 minutes - 7:22 - add 50 cents - good to 7:52 ??? WTF we just lost time .. paid $2.50 and got 1 hour 34 minutes instead of 2 hours 30 minutes. Both being engineers we spend all of desert time trying to figure out what happened.. Well is seems that purchasing time on a space does NOT add it to the existing balance it deletes the existing time and resets the clock to zero - !!! Further examination reveals that there is a code on the ticket labeled 'Add Time' - An ah-ha moment - the add dialogue that would not accept 30 minutes as input was actually asking for this code. - Not obvious. This is not mentioned anywhere on the machine that we could find and the dialogue question is not clear - 'Add Time Code:' should read as ' Add Time Code From Ticket:' All-in-all ... the meal was great the meters suck. no lighting , receipt in a hidden compartment, faulty instructions. Think how much easier it would be if all you had to do was enter a space number and start feeding in money to the time you wanted ??? Good design and human engineering continue to decline in this day and age. Happy New Year - Ba-Humbug.. etc Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: bamboozle.....
A 'nice' thought .. but unfortunately, completely unrealistic. The building has be remodeled and butchered up to such an extent that it will likely never be the landmark it deserves to be. All the concrete walkways/awnings have been removed... seating has been removed... air handling equipment has been installed... the bandstand roof is collapsing..etc. If there were any intent to preserve and restore the building as the redevelopment plan dictated ... it would have been done by now instead of the remodeling. A great example of 1960s futurist architecture is lost to Asbury Park... You figure out why Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" wrote: > > Great, great, great for the city. It's going to be incredible. > > Since there are going to be so many smaller stages set up on the > beach/boardwalk, if somehow they could get that Arthur Pryor Bandshell up and > running it would be a nice way to re-inaugurate it as a city landmark. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Dentist... ?
I cracked a tooth and need recommendations for a dentist. Unfortunately cost is an issue. Free/clinic would be great since I have not recovered from my "treatment" by the City. Or perhaps a practitioner that allows installment payments. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Grass... ?
I can relate... I was also a 'science geek' - still am - LOL. As I recall, in those days the term may have been nerd. The problem with sports these days is it seems to have superseded getting an education instead of being an extracurricular activity ... remember those ? ... baseball, track, chess club, debate team... etc. Participation being contingent upon doing well academically. As far as spending that level of money in a educationally failing district - someone has their priorities screwed up. The facilities we currently have are underused with public parks being destroyed instead. Are there any examples of a school district locally that has successfully implemented such a plan and reduced their costs substantially? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > I'll just defer to you guys. I'm not a sports fan. I was a science geek in > high school. I built my own Heathkit computer when I was 17 and studied > music. I turned what I learned about music, electronics and technology into > the careers that I have today. > > I'm also not a financial person, so if it's a good deal for the city, then > I'm fine with that. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > > those kids probably have a better handle on computing than you and me. > > phones are computers. tons of funds have been thrown into the school > > already. the field, at the right price, and if there is the money, is a > > good investment. I love seeing kids in team jackets. better than gang > > colors. I give them a buck anytime when they have the bucket out. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > > > I think I'm having a hard time understanding how a failing school can > > > spend $1.1 million on astroturf to serve the approx 50 players, helpers > > > and cheerleaders out of approx. 600 students. How does this serve the > > > other 550 students? > > > > > > Why not spend that money on laptops and technology, and make a push > > > toward widespread computer literacy? > > > > > > Give each student a laptop and make getting good grades the incentive to > > > use them. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fast4u" wrote: > > > > > > > > I surmise that if a coach can teach a kid how to > > > > play football/basketball/baseball or any of the popular > > > > European/Caribbean futbol/soccer, there are rules, principles > > > > and penalty infringements that even a disadvantaged youth > > > > seem to grasp extraordinarily well. A certain structure. > > > > Children look up to coaches, ideally as a father or mother > > > > figure, they seem to lack otherwise. I wasn't talking about > > > > the yelling and abusive language some coaches seem to engage > > > > in. Nobody wants a "Bear Bryant" type in their face. They may > > > > be getting enough of that at home. > > > > > > > > No, today's teacher has to be a life coach and mentor to get > > > > through to these kids, even if their living conditions may be > > > > afoul, it's no reason for them to not be given the opportunity > > > > of a "basic" education. Basic education does prepare one for > > > > higher education, if wanted. When Jim mentioned that one youth > > > > said he couldn't read, I thought,why not? Who gave up on him? > > > > I blame the parents and the system that allows a child to be > > > > "passed" through because someone refused to follow through on > > > > this kid and wasted taxpayer money. > > > > > > > > He might have been dyslexic, sight problems, hearing problems, > > > > or hungry! I'm not a teacher, but unless a kid can see and hear > > > > properly, someone is dropping the ball and passing kids to the next > > > > grade illegally and depriving him/her of a thorough and efficient > > > > education and that teacher and school should come under scrutiny > > > > by the local, county and state boards of education. > > > > > > > > At a club I frequent, a man was trying to choose songs on the jukebox. > > > > He came over to me and asked me for assistance. My regular glasses > > > > had to be replaced, so I was wearing reading glasses. I realized > > > > he couldn't make out the print on the machine, so I said, "here, try > > > > these". He did. To his surprise, he realized his sight had > > > > changed making it difficult for him to read small/fine print. > > > > > > > > He began laughing because he thought he was going blind. I suggested > > > > he see an eye doctor right away. In the meantime, I gave him the > > > > glasses. He was overjoyed that he could still read. They were > > > > steel-rimmed, so a man or woman could look the same. I had other > > > > readers > > > > at home, so it was no biggy to me to give them away. > > > > > > > > I realize that doctors may not always be able to do pro bono work > > > > but that's what the guidance office is for. If a teacher just take > > > > a little time recognizing that kids may have hearing/s
[AsburyPark] Grass... ?
I've also read the turf vs grass comments with great interest. Sports is highly overrated Shouldn't getting a basic education be paramount ? As mentioned, sports should be used as an incentive to achieve intellectually not as a goal unto itself. On a related note - Atlantic Square Park is currently being destroyed by being misused for athletic purposes. 6 years ago the west side was ground down to dirt by soccer players. That damage is still evident as the lawn has never recovered. This year the south side has been turned into a muddy strip, complete with car tires for goal posts and orange cones on permanent display. This is a significant misuse of the park - it is not intended nor designed to be an athletic field. It will take significant $$$ to restore the lawn, if the City ever does. Since we have such a large and specifically purposed athletic facility that is where soccer, etc should be played. Several months ago I witnessed a group throwing javelins in Bradley Park with pedestrians and vehicles within range. How they could think that was a good idea escapes me. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A Bit of History...
The wheel was sold and transported to Phoenixville Pennsylvania, where it was originally built by the Phoenix Iron Works. It is being restored as a static display to honor the heritage of the community as part or their redevelopment project. In spite of my enormous disappointment that the Palace, Wheel and Carousel were not given a chance to make Asbury Park a better place, I am thankful that the oldest vertical wheel in the United States will survive to be seen instead of sold for scrape. As far as I know the Carousel is still in storage. Years ago, Mr. Sitar and myself determined that it would fit inside the Casino Carousel House. A tight fit considering it is a 4 row machine compared to the Casino's original 3 rows. It would need a lot of restoration, which is why I recently suggested that a 'work in progress' carousel would be appropriate for the Casino House. Which, by-the-way, it recognized as the finest such facility in the country. There is a lot of misunderstanding regarding amusement rides on the boardwalk. They would be very inappropriate from a historic context as well as being expensive to maintain, too seasonal, expensive to insure, etc. Other boardwalks have evolved with a critical mass of such entertainments that lowers the overall operating costs relative to the cash flow generated.. Point Pleasant, Seaside, Wildwood.. are defined by their amusement park atmosphere. Asbury Park would do well to embrace classic/historic amusements such as the Pinball Museum, Carousel, Wesley Lake boat rides, etc... Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jenni" wrote: > > Very interesting, thanks for sharing!!! > > The big question now, is: are these two amusements still being stored? > Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Ferris Wheel could be installed along the > boardwalk, and the original Palace carousel could be installed in the > Carousel House at the Casino? Wow. > > Jenni > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A Bit of History...
or... Missed Opportunities... 1888 Carousel House and Palace Recent History By G. DOROTHY SABATINI June 8, 2004 In the summer of 1998, a hundred years after the carousel house within the Palace Amusements building was constructed, a story broke of its eminent demolition. A vast curiosity caught hold of some prior residents and visitors to the Jersey Shore regarding this 1888 treasure. Due to a quote in an article about the pending demolition, Asbury Park Historical Society founder, Werner Baumgartner, was contacted by a number of individuals who were interested in doing whatever they could to help save one of the last pieces of the history of Asbury Park. Greg Raymer, of Colorado, was one of the interested parties. In speaking with Baumgartner, he said he had been in contact with the Mississippi theme park owners who purchased the Ferris wheel from Henry Vaccaro. According to Raymer, the park was closing and selling the Ferris wheel. It was being sold for $5,000 and the theme park had a possible purchaser willing to pay $4,000." Raymer was a frequent visitor to the shore area, and especially to Asbury Park. He loved the shore so much that he created a Jersey Shore themed pizza restaurant in Colorado. On a trip to the theme park in Mississippi where the Ferris wheel and carousel were being dismantled and sold, he made a videotape of the still-standing Ferris wheel, which he forwarded to Baumgartner. The Ferris wheel, along with the original carousel, had been sold to the park in 1989. Raymer said because the park was closing, the items needed to remove by October 30, 1998. Another interested party, a Long Branch resident, who contacted Baumgartner after he heard the Ferris wheel was up for sale, said he was willing to donate $2,500 to the historical society for the repurchasing of the Ferris wheel because he "would like to see Asbury Park have a part of its history returned." In the meantime, an unnamed benefactor, who had serious resources, came forward and contacted Baumgartner about saving the Ferris wheel, and possibly the Palace Amusements building itself. Baumgartner showed the videotape Raymer made to this businessman and he became very interested in preserving these historical landmarks of Asbury Park. The, aforementioned, benefactor sent representatives to the site to assess what needed to be done in order to dismantle and pack up the Ferris wheel for transport. After which Mr. Benefactor began serious negotiations with the owner, Mr. Williams, to purchase the wheel. Williams informed him he also had the original carousel up for sale. At the time, the benefactor did not want any publicity interfering in the situation, so he asked Baumgartner not to reveal his name, until he was able to secure the purchases. Williams and Mr. Benefactor agreed on a purchase price for both items. Mr. Benefactor wanted to store them at one of his properties in Monmouth County until he could find a suitable place to erect them in Asbury Park where they belonged. Of course, the most suitable place would be the Palace Amusements Building. Though the fate of the building was still precarious, Mr. Benefactor was also considering negotiating with Mr. Carabetta (owner at the time), and the City, regarding purchasing the building. During the first week in December 1998, Mr. William Sitar, the CEO of Sitar Company, came forward and announced that his efforts of the previous several months to bring Asbury Park's Ferris wheel, and carousel, back to New Jersey had finally paid off. It took four tractor-trailers to load all the parts, and within a week the convoy arrived in Tinton Falls with the items, where they have been stored on the site of one of Mr. Sitar's properties, the Twin Brooks Golf Center. Through the combined efforts of these individuals, William Sitar, owner of a large real estate company, as well as other businesses in NJ, Gregory Raymer, owner of the "Boardwalk Cafe and Pizzeria," a Jersey Shore themed business in Colorado, Werner Baumgartner, historian, and founder of the Asbury Park Historical Society, the original Ferris Wheel and carousel, which once stood inside the Palace Amusements building for almost 100 years returned to the Jersey Shore, after ten years in a Mississippi Theme Park. Speaking of the wheel, it isn't really a "Ferris" wheel. The original carousel pavilion, a 100 foot square structure part of the Palace Amusements building, was built to house the Kingsley St. Merry-Go-Round, in 1888 by Ernest Schnitzler, the original proprietor of the carousel. In 1895 Schnitzler constructed a giant vertical moving wheel and observatory. This "Round About and Observatory" has since become known as a "Ferris" Wheel after George W. Ferris who built the largest one in the world two years earlier for the 1893 Columbian Exposition in Chicago. Ernest Schnitzler wanted everyone to have a chance to see the City from the highest point possibl
[AsburyPark] Re: Values
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > Your comments to the recommendations are well thought out and expressed. > Thank you - If anyone is imterested they are at: http://ols12.com/wernerapnj/AsburyPark/WaterfrontComments.pdf Unfortunately my computer crashed while drafting my thoughts and I was only able to recover a partial document. :-( Hopfully I will be permitted to submit the remainder when I reconstruct it. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Values
Why does an otherwise intelligent person with a prominent business resort to name calling and denigrating other people ? What a chilling effect this has had on peoples participation in discussions here - Notice the silence, as if waiting for hostilities to unfold. Perhaps member are afraid of also being marginalized if one speaks up... being called a 'cry baby'... an 'ass' ... a 'complainer'... etc. What purpose do ad homonym attacks, with no relation to the discussions at hand, have - other than diverting attention from the real issues. When did proper nomenclature and technical detail become things to hate? Asserting that one's financial state or property condition is cause to discredit the person or the value of information presented is a last resort when no cogent response is available. Fortunately, the discussions here are archived and available for review to reveal the true nature of participants values and credibility. Werner ... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Art superstar Shepard Fairey is currently decorating the 8th Ave. pavillion
Where is this happening... There is no 8th Ave Pavilion Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > As part of this weekends ATP festival, artist Shepard Fairey is going to be > working around the city. He's currently working at the 8th Ave. pavillion. > > If you don't recognize the name, he's the person behind the iconic red and > blue Obama posters. He got his start doing "Andre The Giant Has a Posse" > stickers and street art. He's also done many album covers, including one for > a band called "Super Heavy" which is a Mick Jagger project. > > Go check it out if you are interested. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Classic. The play ground bully. beating up the smart kids... - doesn't like facts and truth - would rather put lash out with put downs. I wasn't going to follow up on this astonishing feat of mental agility... However, the bar has been lowered - and since you're so bothered by me... - If I'm the "biggest pain in the ass.." - Then you are the biggest ass hole that was ever born. Frightening that you are actually on the committee, who did you suck-up to ? Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > You are the biggest pain in the ass that was ever born. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > This posting is inaccurate... > > > > The document referred to is.. the Advisory Committee Recommendations. > > > > Not the Redevelopment Plan > > > > The Redevelopment Plan is at > > > > http://cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/March_15_Redevelopment_Plan_Amended_120105.pdf > > > > Werner > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "larrybertorelli" > > wrote: > > > > > > Comments are due by September 30th. > > > > > > Redevelopment Plan: > > > http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/DRAFT_WRP_Committee_landuse_Sept2011.pdf > > > > > > Powerpoint Presentation: > > > http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/Waterfront_Committee_Presentation_Sept2011.pdf > > > > > > Submit Comments via Email to: > > > asburyplanning@ > > > > > > Submit Comments via Mail to: > > > Asbury Park Dept. of Planning and Redevelopment > > > ATTN: WRP Committee > > > One Municipal Plaza > > > Asbury Park, NJ 07712 > > > > > > Additional information can be found courtesy of Joe Woerner and the > > > Surfrider Foundation: www.saveasburypark.com > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks, where can mail/email be sent specifically? Once again, pardon > > > > my ignorance on this point. > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking > > > > > about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. > > > > > > > > > > You are all wasting your time commenting here. Written comments will > > > > > be accepted by the city till September 30. Get cracking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, I have not been an active part of this group in quite some > > > > > > time. There were more important things in my life that became a > > > > > > priority but one thing that never changed is my growing love for > > > > > > the reborn city of Asbury Park. But after reading over the proposal > > > > > > today I felt the need to jump back in the conversation. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a planner/architect by profession, my personal opinion is that > > > > > > there is one major flaw in the Committee's report. I read over the > > > > > > entire report tonight and one thing that was not addressed is the > > > > > > chaning needs of a city that has grown since the redevelopment plan > > > > > > was drafted over a decade ago. No longer are tear downs necessary, > > > > > > the "blight" that plagued the city in the late 90s/early 2000s has > > > > > > all but dissappeared for most areas of the redevelopment zone. > > > > > > Nowhere is infill and rehab mentioned. It should be. Had it been > > > > > > implimented on existing structures 10 years ago, the beachfront > > > > > > would look like the downtown does. There was plenty of land for > > > > > > condos too, just like the developers desire. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd also like to say the fact that the Stone Pony is being allowed > > > > > > to be threatened so easily is a joke. As some of you may remember, > > > > > > I originally joined this group years ago with an ambitious but > > > > > >
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > > > > Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking > > > > about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. > > > > While this group may be discussing the outdoor stage ... That is NOT what is being referred to in the Recommendations document or the Redevelopment Plan. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
This posting is inaccurate... The document referred to is.. the Advisory Committee Recommendations. Not the Redevelopment Plan The Redevelopment Plan is at http://cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/March_15_Redevelopment_Plan_Amended_120105.pdf Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "larrybertorelli" wrote: > > Comments are due by September 30th. > > Redevelopment Plan: > http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/DRAFT_WRP_Committee_landuse_Sept2011.pdf > > Powerpoint Presentation: > http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/Waterfront_Committee_Presentation_Sept2011.pdf > > Submit Comments via Email to: > asburyplanning@... > > Submit Comments via Mail to: > Asbury Park Dept. of Planning and Redevelopment > ATTN: WRP Committee > One Municipal Plaza > Asbury Park, NJ 07712 > > Additional information can be found courtesy of Joe Woerner and the Surfrider > Foundation: www.saveasburypark.com > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" wrote: > > > > Thanks, where can mail/email be sent specifically? Once again, pardon my > > ignorance on this point. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > > Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking about > > > is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. > > > > > > You are all wasting your time commenting here. Written comments will be > > > accepted by the city till September 30. Get cracking. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, I have not been an active part of this group in quite some > > > > time. There were more important things in my life that became a > > > > priority but one thing that never changed is my growing love for the > > > > reborn city of Asbury Park. But after reading over the proposal today I > > > > felt the need to jump back in the conversation. > > > > > > > > As a planner/architect by profession, my personal opinion is that there > > > > is one major flaw in the Committee's report. I read over the entire > > > > report tonight and one thing that was not addressed is the chaning > > > > needs of a city that has grown since the redevelopment plan was drafted > > > > over a decade ago. No longer are tear downs necessary, the "blight" > > > > that plagued the city in the late 90s/early 2000s has all but > > > > dissappeared for most areas of the redevelopment zone. Nowhere is > > > > infill and rehab mentioned. It should be. Had it been implimented on > > > > existing structures 10 years ago, the beachfront would look like the > > > > downtown does. There was plenty of land for condos too, just like the > > > > developers desire. > > > > > > > > I'd also like to say the fact that the Stone Pony is being allowed to > > > > be threatened so easily is a joke. As some of you may remember, I > > > > originally joined this group years ago with an ambitious but perhaps > > > > unrealistic plan to incorporate the Stone Pony into a NJ music > > > > museum/hof and possible hotel. While just a vision of mine and perhaps > > > > pipe dream on my part (one that I'm sure is shared with countless > > > > others) I still submit this is the best possible use for the site. I > > > > even still have some rough sketches/plans saved... as time allows, I > > > > hope to be able to revive and improve upon them, even if just as a > > > > personal venture. > > > > > > > > Also, the Cookman Avenue closure proposal is ridiculous from a planning > > > > standpoint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "fancypaaantz" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom > > > > > > duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give > > > > > > more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they > > > > > > planning? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, the proposal involve
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
There are numerous reasons why that is impractical. Foremost being that State CAFRA policy limits construction on the ocenfront which is intended to minimize threats to life and property from hurricane and flood conditions. If a hotel were allowed it would likely be cost prohibitive to build to the required standards on that site. The only reason the Arena is being allowed to be rebuilt at all is that it was an existing building and historically significant. The Plan and Developer agreement specify that the Arena portion of the Casino Complex be rebuilt in like kind to the original as far as the exterior goes. - - -Balconies would not make the grade, nor would any fenestration (windows,doors) that is not consistent with the original design. There were plans produced that show a hotel on the inland side of the Casino between the Carousel House and former Palace Amusements. The current recommendations appear to support that concept of building heights and massing. Frankly the best use of that space would be as a Public Plaza/Market space. That would be consistent with the original design of Asbury Park's street grid providing a beautiful interface to Wesley Lake and Ocean Grove. A Hotel should be inserted at the Esperanza (C-8) site. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote: > > I think the old Casino shell that extends over the water would be a great > place for a boutique hotel. With other uses in the Casino building and part > that connects with the Carousel. > > 3 Floor high - Each room could have a balcony with an ocean view. Something > like the hotel tides feeling but with a much better location, more rooms and > a place to hold weddings, cocktail hours on the roof overlooking the ocean > etc... > with an up and coming AP in the background and the quaint and charming Ocean > Grove to the other side. That place would be fully booked all summer and my > guess is for most of the winter as well. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
That depends on what its used for. ConHall was not designed for modern sound systems and concerts. The building materials, shape and acoustics are terrible for contemporary productions. That's because ConHall is part of an instrument designed into the building, a Theater Organ. If you've never heard the organ played you really missed an experience. The sound is amazing, that's what it excels at. Silent film festival comes to mind (live organ) or Organ concerts with dancing ? It is also designed to show 35mm film. My heart sank when I witnessed the destruction of the arc lamp power systems from 1930. ConHall is not used to take advantage of its design, - A Convention Center... Trying to use it as contemporary concert venue is doomed to failure. The real gem is the Paramount Theater. Again, due to its design for live performances you can hear a whisper in the last row. It has the best acoustics of any venue around here. Also set up for 35mm film projection. There appears to be no philosophy in place to make the best use of what Asbury Park venues currently offer let alone their full potential.. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > Unfortunately, Convention Hall is one of the worst sounding concert venues in > the country. That's probably the main reason for the sparse amount of shows > presented there. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > That would not be the best option. > > > > ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. > > > > Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken > > up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for > > use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater > > > > The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty > > shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed > > multifunction venue currently lacking. > > > > An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating > > ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the > > beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. > > > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner > > > > It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. > > > > Werner > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > > music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, > > > new SP stage etc... > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new > SP stage etc... > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Will it Stay or Will it Go...
I'm concerned by some misinterpretations that have cropped up in the discussion of the Stone Pony. As the Plan and Contract currently stand, the Stone Pony is flagged as a building to be retained on a Conditional basis. That being - it continues to remain open and used as an entertainment venue. As I recall (don't have the docs in front of me) the condition was also predicated on a 6 month window of disuse prior to allowing a demolition. Note that this refers only to the Stone Pony building itself not the adjacent outdoor spaces. Those were acquired by Asbury Partners and effectively integrated into the Pony operations but are not part of the parcel referred to in the current plan. The outdoor 'Stage' is and has always been zoned for Residential development so discussing that in the context of 'recommending' it be moved is meaningless. The Stone Pony Building however is another matter - the recommendation of the committee to remove its conditional status for preservation opens the door to its demolition. The value of a venue like the Pony is in its authenticity - it IS the Stone Pony in look and feel, I was the restoration consultant under Dominic Santana's ownership. (although I do not know what it looks like today). Also significant is the location at Ocean and Second - the experience of waiting in line to see a show, having the same view as prior generations, the photo opps, the traffic and street scene (having Ocean Ave one-way North would add to the experience i.e. The Circuit) The stone Pony is a significant destination and for entertainment and heritage tourism. Not expanding on that is very short sighted and is one of the intrinsic flaws of the Plan. Moving residential zoning off of that block to accommodate an expanded Stone Pony would be far more beneficial to Asbury Park. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Jones Beach v Casino
Having grown up on Long Island and been a 'rail-rat' at Central Mall of Jones Beach during my youth, I have to comment on how ridiculous it is to propose that the Stone Pony could be like the Jones Beach Theater. Jones Beach State Park is 10,000 acres of mostly wilderness with the Theater being 2.8 miles from the nearest residential development. The capacity of the Theater is 15,000. This remote location makes an open-air venue of that magnitude possible. Clearly Asbury Park and its surroundings have nothing in common with Jones Beach other than fronting on the Atlantic Ocean. I suspect the comparison was prompted by a document that the Committee reviewed proposing recommendations for the redevelopment of Asbury Park after the damage caused by the Hurricane of 1944. The connection being, that the consulting team was but together by Robert Moses, the planner of Jones Beach. However, bathing and recreation were the focus of that effort. In any case the Stone Pony is a mere 500 feet from the nearest residential property and the Casino is likewise 750 feet. In addition the Casino Arena capacity is clearly limited both in its present form as a bare concrete pad or as a rebuilt facility. By comparison, Convention Hall's capacity is 3.500 with the floor being standing room general admission. I suspect a rebuilt Casino Arena would be on par with that due to similar size, perhaps a bit less actually. The Jones Beach Theater is a very inappropriate model for Asbury Park. However we do have our own unique facilities to capitalize upon - The Stone Pony, Convention Hall, Paramount Theater, Casino Carousel House and hopefully a reconstructed Casino Arena. (I'll even throw in the Wonder Bar due to uniqueness:-) Those are the character defining features that make Asbury Park what it is and should be embraced as the core of any entertainment / heritage tourism development. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
No - the implication is that the Pony would not be at that location at all - it would be relocated. And the Townhome project is recommended to be killed in favor of a park. There was an attempt to make the meeting a rally against the Townhomes. You should read the proposal. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "fancypaaantz" wrote: > > Demolish the Stone Pony so they can build it back in the same spot just with > a new building? Bc why would they ever want to just demolish one of the best > attractions in Asbury??? When I say why I like Asbury, going to see a show at > the Pony is usually one of the first positive I list! > > The townhomes by North Beach? Yes- that is another winning idea! (sarcasm) > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "fancypaaantz" wrote: > > > > > > I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties > > > generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an > > > overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? > > > > > > > In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and > > types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several > > specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, > > allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of > > Cookman Ave, among others. > > > > It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City > > Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. > > > > Comments are being accepted by mail and email. > > > > Werner > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "fancypaaantz" wrote: > > I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties > generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview > of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? > In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Duany, Clark, etc..
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > When you look up condescending in the dictionary it has your photo. You spoke > as if only you knew things. Duany, Clarke, etc. There were some good things > to think about proffered by folks. It was an initial airing of comments. We > are looking forward to more. > The fact is - I do have experience that is unique and unmatched. Through my research of Asbury Park and decades of public service as both a volunteer and as a City Official. My meetings and discussions with 'Duany, Clark, etc..' gave me a unique insight to the crafting of the Redevelopment Plan. You may not like that, you may be intimidated by that - I dont know - why such an aversion to learning things? I know you were not at those meetings - Neither was anyone else on your committee. In my background as a researcher/scientist - knowledge is respected and sought out. Quality and attention to detail to achieve the best results called for cooperation in spite of personality quirks or eccentricities. Its very unfortunate that those values are lacking in Asbury Park. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
This is what I asked... '...State policies encourage Open Government - thats a fact, not theories of 'boogeymen'. What exactly was the fear (in your mind or the committee's) to having the public witness your deliberations? Since the public was excluded from 'sitting-in' how does that instill confidence in the process? Were minutes taken? Are they available? Why do you think keeping the public out as observers was in the best interests of Asbury Park? Was something confidential discussed? Did you have to sign a confidentiality agreement?...' And your answer is --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > When you look up condescending in the dictionary it has your photo. You spoke > as if only you knew things. Duany, Clarke, etc. There were some good things > to think about proffered by folks. It was an initial airing of comments. We > are looking forward to more. > Well - that clears things up, thank you for such a reasoned and relevant response. Werner PS - Yes I am being condescending and sarcastic how about real answers to real questions ? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
The turn-out last night was fairly large - I am however disappointed for several reasons. - Very few people spoke at the public portion.. I realize that the document was not a quick read - but I did expect more questions... - The ethnic diversity of Asbury Park was certainly not represented. It would appear that the waterfront is thought to be unrelated to the rest of the City. - Once again the proposals are developer centric instead of public amenity oriented. I am interested in the reactions of anyone else that attended... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
The one off base is you - condescending attitude ("please"), making up
motivations ("boogeymen") and attributing them to me,
State policies encourage Open Government - thats a fact, not theories of
'boogeymen'. What exactly was the fear (in your mind or the committee's) to
having the public witness your deliberations?
Since the public was excluded from 'sitting-in' how does that instill
confidence in the process? Were minutes taken? Are they available?
Why do you think keeping the public out as observers was in the best interests
of Asbury Park? Was something confidential discussed? Did you have to sign a
confidentiality agreement?
Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote:
>
> Werner please, I can tell you personally that opening up to the public was at
> the forefront of every meeting of the committee. First we had to come to our
> own consensus of where we thought we should go before we opened it up to the
> public. We have and now its time to hear the public. And I personally was of
> the opinion that opening it up to the public before this point was premature
> and I have made a record in the past as being very critical. You are way,
> way, way off base open open records act etc. Stop seeing boogeymen in every
> corner. Public input will be taken via mail and email afterwards I believe so
> this has been from the very start mindful that its an open process.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote:
> >
> >
> > The City's Waterfront Advisory Committee is giving it's public presentation
> > tonight ( 15th ) at 6pm. It is my understanding that public comment and
> > input will be solicited.
> >
> > This is very important... everyone who cares about Asbury Park should be
> > interested and attend. To date this entire process has been held in secret
> > without public observation (a possible violation of the Open Public
> > Meetings Act)
> >
> > I have asked for minutes and an attendee list - none have been provided...I
> > have asked for the proposal to be presented so as to prepare some
> > commentary - I was denied. (a possible violation of the Open Public Records
> > Act)
> >
> > There should be serious concerns about how this process was held... and how
> > the public, who this ultimately effects the most, has been excluded. Take
> > note that the current Waterfront Redevelopment Plan (which has failed) was
> > also negotiated in private and presented to the public after the fact.
> >
> > Its nice to talk about parking.. the food.. the beach... the boards...etc
> > etc But here's a chance to have a real impact, in spite of how we got to
> > this point, to make Asbury Park the best it can be. Comments will be
> > officially on the record... please plan to attend.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > BTW - There is no mention of this meeting on the City's website Municipal
> > Calendar... Hmm ???
> >
>
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[AsburyPark] Committee Meeting
The City's Waterfront Advisory Committee is giving it's public presentation tonight ( 15th ) at 6pm. It is my understanding that public comment and input will be solicited. This is very important... everyone who cares about Asbury Park should be interested and attend. To date this entire process has been held in secret without public observation (a possible violation of the Open Public Meetings Act) I have asked for minutes and an attendee list - none have been provided...I have asked for the proposal to be presented so as to prepare some commentary - I was denied. (a possible violation of the Open Public Records Act) There should be serious concerns about how this process was held... and how the public, who this ultimately effects the most, has been excluded. Take note that the current Waterfront Redevelopment Plan (which has failed) was also negotiated in private and presented to the public after the fact. Its nice to talk about parking.. the food.. the beach... the boards...etc etc But here's a chance to have a real impact, in spite of how we got to this point, to make Asbury Park the best it can be. Comments will be officially on the record... please plan to attend. Werner BTW - There is no mention of this meeting on the City's website Municipal Calendar... Hmm ??? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hurricane Irene
Typical misinformation and distortion of the truth. No - He does not own the boardwalk. -- details do matter Werner BTW - There is another 7 hours of rain from the west coming along. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fast4u" wrote: > > CBS Channel 2 broadcasting live from Asbury > Park, since 6:00 AM, with updates, directly > from the Boardwalk. Mottola, introduced as > "owner" of the boardwalk. Really? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Status Report
Midnight Saturday Gusts of wind and waves of rain assault the 5th Ave command post... The facility creaks and shutters under the strain. Access roads appear impassible. Provisions adequate. Utilities functioning. We shall return. Over and out Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: my bitch point....no street lights...
Please explain why, exactly, you are mentioning me with regard to your issue with street lights. Why should I be happy that they are broken and you are unhappy with them ? Regards - Wb --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > While it may make Werner happy - > > what's the story with the STREET LIGHTS? > > Who's responsible for fixing them along ocean Ave, 1st ave etc. > > Saturday night they weren't lit again when we went around 10pm to Cubacon.. > > some are out and missing along O Avenue and the rest of the streets. > > Makes for some dark streets. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Complaints
When did complaints become a negative thing? I recall that many places had a "Complaint Box".. Businesses routinely encourage feedback from customers... How do things improve if no one complains?... Process Quality Management (PQM) - It was discovered that fixing a problem in a product after it has been made is expensive and time consuming. Preventing a problem from getting into the product is much more desirable. Thinking through all the contingencies in the Process and assuring a Quality Product before it is released is good business sense. 'Complaints' are nothing more than notifications of flaws or problems and should be encouraged to get better quality output by changing the process. Applies to many things in life and planning... except, apparently, in Asbury Park. Here it's - 'Shut up and Drink the Cool-Aid or move out'. :-( Wb Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Parking Permits
Hmmm What's wrong with this picture? You purchase your $30 parking permit to park in front of your home ... or so you think. All the spaces are taken and you end up parking a block away in any case... ... making your $30 permit moot. - Note: Many communities that have high usage parking needs adjacent to residential areas (such as train stations, theaters, etc) will issue "resident permits" AND create a parking area for Resident Permit Only usage. Which guarantees that residents (tax payers) are not inconvenienced. Clearly the parking NEEDS and PROCESS have not been completely thought through regarding the beachfront. Wb Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Now this is more like it - Quotes, vision, etc
My fear that this forum had died an untimely death had been dispelled with the recent heated yet welcome discussions. Some observations - Lack of attention to details continues to be a serious problem and appears to be the root cause of most dysfunctional processes observed in the City. - Folks with resources/money tend to focus on money... instead of the process. - Bringing flaws in a process to light will still get one labeled as a 'complainer'. - There is no long term vision for Asbury Parks future. :-( As to collecting quotes "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Wb Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] and Speaking of Schools..
The Asbury Park High School Building should be a regional vocational training center... The Culinary Arts School is already there. Just add an Automotive School, Plumbing/Pipe Fitting School, Carpentry/Construction School, Internet/IT School, Business School...etc. A great building with a great heritage that could turn out skilled graduates from the region. http://blog.nj.com/perspective/2011/03/wonders_and_blunders_some_stud.html Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Does anyone care ?
Several weeks ago I attempted to stimulate some interest and discussion regarding the process started by the City to modify the Redevelopment Plan. Sadly, The response has been less than encouraging considering that the Plan is the most significant document effecting success or failure of the Waterfront Redevelopment Are (WRA) as the process moves forward. Several items of interest/concern come to mind The City has already created its 'Vision' of a reworked Plan, the Advisory Committee (AC) lacks significant public representation, there are specific skills and knowledge base that are not represented, the AC has had its first meeting without public notice This last item should be of particular concern considering the State regulation known as the Open Public Meetings Act (OPMA) which mandates the public having access to observe its governmental bodies at work. "N.J.S.A. 10:4-7. Legislative findings and declaration The Legislature finds and declares that the right of the public to be present at all meetings of public bodies, and to witness in full detail all phases of the deliberation, policy formulation, and decision making of public bodies, is vital to the enhancement and proper functioning of the democratic process; that secrecy in public affairs undermines the faith of the public in government and the public's effectiveness in fulfilling its role in a democratic society, and hereby declares it to be the public policy of this State to insure the right of its citizens to have adequate advance notice of and the right to attend all meetings of public bodies at which any business affecting the public is discussed or acted upon in any way except only in those circumstances where otherwise the public interest would be clearly endangered or the personal privacy or guaranteed rights of individuals would be clearly in danger of unwarranted invasion..." Please recall that the current state of affairs is a direct result of planning decisions having been made behind closed doors and out of public view a full decade ago. Let's not make the same mistake... Does anyone care ? Werner Baumgartner City Historian Emeritus Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Property
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > Ok - > > First file uploaded. 83 properties under "Asbury Partners LLC" > > Go to files section > -- Thanks I'll have to fire up my Windows PC to access it. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Property Ownership
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > On the files section looks like I did this in 2003 > > Exactly what are the boundries you want to see. > > --- Boundaries would be the Redevelopment Area (the 'blighted area') which is called the Prime Renewal Area in the current Redevelopment Plan. Starting at Deal Lake Drive and Ocean Ave South on Ocean to Lake, West on Lake to Grand, North on Grand to Sewall, East on Sewall to Heck, North on Heck to Asbury, East on Asbury to Bergh, North on Bergh to 5th, East on 5th to Webb, North on Webb to Deal LkDr, East on Deal LkDr to start. Also of interest is all property East of Ocean Ave (block 227), which was formerly public property. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Property Ownership
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > As litigation and the Advisory Committee move forward it will be very > > useful to know the ownership of properties, in particular how much > > property, are they contiguous lots, are they individuals or corporations, > > can Eminent Domain be invoked... etc. > > > > I suspet that has already been done, and if not will be. > > > > Can anyone else can help out? Perhaps divide up the project into specific > > blocks or owners once a name comes up. > > > > Information is always useful > > > > Werner > > > > I gave you the link, why are you asking others to do it? > --- Because one of the pervasive problems in Asbury Park has been the rejection of vital information and advice based upon who the messenger is. Having other people in involved is a team building exercise and the results are more likely to be accepted when the information is compiled from various sources. Having interested people take part in a process leads to a sense of 'ownership' and responsibility. Advocacy is increased and the information gathered becomes more widely distributed. Spreading the task out among several participants leads to less work for any one individual with greater benefit overall. Werner Baumgartner City Historian Emeritus :-) PS -if you think property ownership data (has been/will be) compiled, perhaps you can get a copy and share it.. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Property Ownership
Dan, Oak... I thought it was fairly obvious what the intent and usefulness of baselining property ownership in the Waterfront Redevelopment Area (WRA) is. You are both involved in real estate so I am surprised by your brushing off the issue as a paperchase. Clearly everything is paper from a legal and tracking perspective regardless of whether the property is owned by an individual or an LLC. That does not diminish the significance of who owns what property. The use of LLCs without transparency to the public has obfuscated responsibility for many things in the WRA. In addition it has been difficult if not impossible to determine if 'developers' have the financial ability to more forward. So yes unraveling LLCs will be another important phase. As litigation and the Advisory Committee move forward it will be very useful to know the ownership of properties, in particular how much property, are they contiguous lots, are they individuals or corporations, can Eminent Domain be invoked... etc. One can not intelligently discuss the future of the WRA without knowing the parties involved and the parcels involved. To think that istar is the only one with property rights is short-sighted. Yes, Oak I would love to see what you have. At minimum a listing that includes block/lot and owner. Lot size, tax assessment, recent sale price... etc, is usually included in such records. Can anyone else can help out? Perhaps divide up the project into specific blocks or owners once a name comes up. Information is always useful Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rights...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > Many issues here. As I've said - We need to know who we are dealing with > > and what property/rights they hold... some factual data collection. > > > > Volunteers? > > > > Werner > > > > You can do it. Public records are available online > > http://oprs.co.monmouth.nj.us/oprs/index.aspx > -- My intent is to get people interested and engaged in this besides me. I have spent over 30 years researching and advocating for this City. Some others need to step-up and lend a hand. How about you since you know the link ? Also, I t is reported that you are named as a member of the Advisory Committee - if that is so - would you kindly post the complete membership of that committee for us? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rights...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" wrote: > Even so, it seems to me that MM (and hopefully iStar) already see that > entertainment and taking advantage of our architectural assets is the best > way forward versus just tons of condos. > Some clarification on your perception about MM. Their treatment of our historic landmarks has been abysmal. The 5th Ave Pavilion and Arthur Pryor Bandshell are a case in point. The Casino and Heating Plant are a disgrace. Why is key property such as those allowed to stay blighted? Clearly MM has other motives than moving forward and making the beachfront a success. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rights...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" wrote: > > I heard the city was forming a committee to re-look at the waterfront > redevelopment and potentially recommend something new and more appropriate to > this decade. I though that was a wise idea. Does the WRA only have a chance > for change if the town wins back the rights? I guess that makes sense. > > Even so, it seems to me that MM (and hopefully iStar) already see that > entertainment and taking advantage of our architectural assets is the best > way forward versus just tons of condos. > --- Advisory Committee has been selected, Maureen has a note about it in her latest report. An alternative to taking back the development rights would be to gain the cooperation of iStar to modify the Plan. Some issues to think about, What effect does a Plan Modification have on existing development rights holder that are just 'sub-developers'. For example if MM has purchased the subsequent phases of Wesley Grove is their consent required for a re-zoning? Many issues here. As I've said - We need to know who we are dealing with and what property/rights they hold... some factual data collection. Volunteers? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rights...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > The biggest asset which is one mile long is the beach. > > The biggest building on the bw was pretty quiet on entertainment last year. > If mm also bought the rights to the phase two and three of wesleygriove how > come no one is yelling at them. And im sure someone may relook at the > drawings again. > > The biggest asset of a community are the people. > - The beachfront is certainly the most valuable piece of real estate. That is why I was so adamant that the City not sell all the public property. The steal of the century was Asbury Partners claiming they were really not interested in commercial development, but they would 'take it-off-the-Cities'-hands' to clean up and facilitate condo sale interest. Let's find out exactly what interests MM has at this point with regard to Wesley Grove. Oak, I've asked several times if you could post some facts about property ownership. You have made no comment about that at all and you are in the real estate business. If you are not interested, just say so , perhaps someone else will step up to the plate. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rights...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arhythmick" wrote: > > It seems to be at least part of the objective of taking iStar to court was to > get their attention, and get them moving. the city claimed there were > developers ready, willing and able to move forward right now...that those > developers approached the city directly. perhaps, this action will get iStar > to talk to the town, find out who the developers are and get one or more > signed up. That would be great progress and a positive outcome of the city's > decision to litigate. > > It is also good to have Werner back and engaged in things...makes me feel > that the 2 year lull of inacitivity may really be over > --- While litigating with iStar to jump-start them appears to be a sound tactic the fatal flaw of the Waterfront Redevelopment Area (WRA) would remain. The plan itself is one of the greatest obstacles to success and should be completely re-examined. That may be impossible if iStar retains its status as 'Master Developer' since the Redeveloper Agreement (RA) requires their consent to modifications. This issue relates to Oak's comments about 'hanging-on' to development rights simply as an economic hedge. The value to iStar is unit count and density. That is completely at odds with what would be an appropriately modified Plan that embraces sound planning and diversified land use, so they are unlikely to entertain that request. Regardless of who the developers are... a bad plan... is a bad plan. Thank you for the acknowledgment - I re-enter these discussions with great caution considering the treatment I have been subjected to by the City in the past 4 years. Regards - Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Skill Set ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > fyi on the skills question: > > about a year ago I started a linkedin.com group titled "Asbury Park". > > About 58 people have joined so far. --- What are the topics of discussion there ? Are they aware of, or members of, this group ? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: rights...
Oak - I'm having a hard time following/relating to your train of thought. Could you narrow it down to Who owns What ? You are in the real estate business.. right? Could you kindly look up the property ownership of various parcels in the Waterfront Redevelopment Area (WRA)? For example who owns the North Beach development and how many units are there... who owns Wesley Grove and how many units are there... etc. I'd like to get a database together that anyone can look at and see who owns what and how much. iStar is only a part of the puzzle Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > ok. > > So about 246 homes were built / rights to 3,000 +/-. > > That is worth something - even $30k per unit is $90m. Maybe not today -but > someday. > > And who knows if the "sale" of those rights reverted back to the master > developer when not exercised in "x" years or with payment not made in "x" > time. I thought in the past Paramount gave it up - but then, I heard they > didn't. > > when it goes back to arbitration, they will both litigate hard. > > I find, and always have, the system is like a coin toss. You can go to trial > and spends hundreds of thousands, or agree to terms that you can both live > with and save hundreds of thousands that can be put to better use. Maybe a > rec center. > > Because in the end, that's all that's going to happen. You're going to > settle. If not, most of us who post here will be dead. > > You can't build unless who have someone with money that's wants to build and > pays the owner of the land for that right to build. > > I work with a number of landowners/property owners that simply own too much > land or buildings. Some can afford to leave it vacant. Others like to spend > alot of money "developing" on paper. What if.. what if...and you wind up with > lots of pretty pictures from architects and planners and no building. > > The avg joe like us, wouldn't think twice about losing a dime on an > investment or can afford to come up with a better idea or design. > > From my perspective, The "new" section of pier village - at least they > landscaped around the road on buildings. Wesley grove was blown by trying to > keep cookman and lake ave as it is. So you wound up with a wall between two > roads. > > With all those creative people in town, someone should take a paintbrush and > come up with a better paint scheme. It would go along way. > > Now back to Joomla! (asburyboardwalk.com will be updated...) > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Skill Set ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Vinnie" wrote: > > I would love to get involved - open to ideas. > > What exactly is the purpose of arbitration - does it boil down to an arbiter > deciding whether Asbury Partners is in default? Are we at a point where we > potentially wait 6 months for a yes or no on default. And if it's a no, then > what? > What is your skill set? Professional, personal, hobby interests? A comprehensive discussion of Redevelopment needs all sorts of input and fact finding. We need 'fresh eyes' on all this. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Wesley Grove ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > 1. The "original" plan/sketch for "wesley grove" looks nothing like what was > built. A cheap version. And not to offend anyone that is happy that they made > it a home. Some got in high and are happy and some got in "low" and are happy. > > Personally I think and have always said it's one of the ugliest creations. > THAT was approved by an architectural review and whatever other committees > had to review. For some reason, govt planning or oversight had blinders on. > My thoughts. > It may interest you to know that the design of Wesley Grove violates the plan and development standards in several key areas. Accessibility to the Lake, Walkability, Facade differentiation... You are right to place blame with the Planning board and Technical Review Committee (TRC). It is "big-box" repetitive design favored by developers for ease of construction, density and repeatability (look at long branch ?). Not what was envisioned by our Redevelopment Plan The rush to 'be nice' with developers and ignore public responsibilities. The greater error occurred what that area was zoned for primarily residential use in the first place. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: > > I don't view from the side of the developer, I look at things objectively > from both sides, that's the logical way > > In fact, I'm on board with 99% of YOUR views > Woo-Hoo good to know As I recall you are involved in the business world.. no ? Any FACTS about property/development rights ownership you can come up with ? As I said - starting a list of who we are dealing with is critical. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > Show me a developer where their primary purpose is NOT profits > > every govt project. > Redevelopment IS a government project... Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: > > Actually you said.. > "Certainly there needs to be a 'profit' motive to interest developers but > that is not the primary purpose" > > For a developer it in fact the primary purpose > > Show me a developer where their primary purpose is NOT profits I speak, as I always do, as a advocate for the public and the City of Asbury Park as an entity. For the CITY, developer profit is NOT the primary motive... Apparently you, and others view this from the other side, that of the developer. Until that general mind set changes in a majority of the stake holders, The City will continue to be held hostage instead of working for the public good. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Redevelopment ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > That's my point. IStar owns the redevelopment rights to build 3,000 units > plus retail. > > Those rights, I think, are worth at least $70m. Then they onw the land. > Just a few corrections.. iStar does not own the rights to 3000+ units. Hundreds of units in density have already been sold off to the the 3 initial sub-developers that moved forward with North Beach, Esperanza, and Wesley Grove. Madison Marquette (MM) subsequently purchased the Wesley Grove rights (currently built and phase II and III) There are other complexities to get to the truth such as.. Did Paramount homes acquire the rights to their proposed phase II ? What independent LLC's were created and what do they 'own' (such as Stone Pony LLc, or Convention Hall LLc, Madison-Asbury LLc, etc. I think one of the first tasks to tackle, is determining Exactly who has their hands in the pot and to what degree. I urge any members with access to real-estate/public records to start posting the facts. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
