[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park, Europe & the future

[colonialjohn]

Yep ... good post. Upward and onward. The lifeguards are much busier now than 
five years ago ...  ... what did the Captain bark at me once when I was on 
the beach about two years ago in July ... ASBURY IS BACK! . Yep it is ... 
if all we can do know is cry about some copper panels on some buidling ... this 
is good ... if this is the main issue this week ... . 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Dave"  wrote:
>
> With all due respect to Hinge and Werner (both of whom i respect for their 
> posts, intelligence, knowledge and passion about the town, particularly 
> werner who is extremely knowledgable on a number of topics), it is important 
> that we realize that Asbury is not continental Europe and that ironically is 
> a good thing.  While gorgeous in architecture and history, the socialistic 
> aspects of Europe have effectively brought the continent to its knees in a 
> terrible financial crisis that in many ways is far worse than the housing 
> situation that we went through here.  The crisis in that content will 
> continue to plague them for years to come and while all of us love Europe for 
> its splendor, it is unfortunately a great place to visit but one who's future 
> is troubled by its financial situation which will be an albatross for years 
> to come.  
> 
> I too wish that Asbury could be completely restored to its former splendor.  
> However, i am also aware that i have to balance that desire with the 
> pragmatic aspects of the current and the future.  Both in regard to economics 
> and social change.  While historic theatre's are romantic and whimsical to 
> think about, we live in a world of iPod's and Facebook.  Sometimes change is 
> scary but it is a part of moving forward in history.  Just like Asbury was 
> transformative in its beginning, it should be so again.  When reading the 
> history books, the town was forward thinking with indoor air conditioning in 
> the paramount or a train line over sunset bridge that took patrons downtown 
> for shopping.  in the 1920's this was futuristic stuff.  We need to think 
> about what is forward thinking now and attempt to tie it appropriately to our 
> past.  One size does not fit all.  
> 
> I for one think the town is on a very promising path of resurgence.  Asbury 
> has done extremely well though a brutal economic downturn.  With no help from 
> a very failed redevelopment plan, the town has found a way to claw itself 
> further along house by house, business by business.  Crime is obviously a 
> very serious problem and one that needs to be addressed.  So where do we go 
> from here.  Importantly, the economy is starting to rebound and the housing 
> market has found its bottom although their is likely to be a shallow upturn 
> rather than a resurgence.  As werner has talked about i think the town's 
> resurgence has its roots in music and entertainment.  I'm glad bamboozle is 
> coming to Asbury and anything we can do to promote both music and 
> entertainment should be applauded
> 
> how can we blend the past and the future?  While i agree with Werner that the 
> loss of some of the historical treasures are a tragedy, i also realize that 
> the economic realities made it so.  that being said, i think the historical 
> artifacts and building that are left such as convention hall or the beautiful 
> casino building should be brought back to their historical glory.  This is an 
> enormous economic undertaking and needs to be considered in light of 
> reformation in the context of a return on invested capital.  Even back in the 
> 1920's, the architects of the buildings did not think they were going to be 
> built for beauty alone without form of purpose.  
> 
> I am a bit discouraged regarding the posts i read on this site.  I find that 
> every post is castigating madison marquette for all of their transgressions.  
> I want to say that i have zero affiliation with madison marquette and only 
> have spoken to their representatives over an errant vodka soda one summer 
> evening.  i agree they have made some mistakes but as a homeowner in this 
> town i am thrilled that they are here, undertaking an enormous monetary  
> investment and trying to bring the town back in spite of its challenges.  I 
> know that given the circumstances most people would have cut bait at this 
> point considering the investment and I for one am glad MM has not.  I'm not 
> sure what the alternative is.  It's always easy to criticize but always more 
> difficult to offer solutions.  
> 
> I'm not sure if anyone from Madison marquette reads this board.  Or if any of 
> the more involved citizens of Asbury would be willing to get involved.  I 
> think it would be a great idea to bring together an ad hoc group to discuss 
> potential improvements to the redevelopment and or town under the concept of 
> cooperation and not attack...  effectively a brain storming group where no 
> idea was stupid and attacks on the past, future or status quo were avoided in 
>

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park does not need a new form of government!!!!!!!

[Mark D]

This has to do with the petition from the Southwest side. The petition had 
sought to divide the city into six wards with nine council members, one to be 
elected from each ward and three to be elected at large. The mayor would be 
elected directly by voters

People are still walking around town trying to get more signatures.

A better option would be staggered terms. However, the council does not want 
this. It was brought up at the last election, and died once they took office. 
 

ASBURY PARK — A petition initiated by a resident to change the city's form of 
government to a ward system was found to be insufficient by 335 signatures, 
officials announced Monday.

City Clerk Stephen Kay reported 950 of the 2,225 signatures were disqualified 
for several reasons. The principal reason was 497 signers were discovered to 
not be registered voters. Kay also found many signatures invalid because of 
questions of addresses. For example, 50 signatures were rejected because the 
signers resided outside of Asbury Park. Two petitions were also found to be 
signed by juveniles.

The end result was that only 1,275 of the petition's 2,225 signatures were 
found to be valid. According to state law, 20 percent of city voters must sign 
the petition to change the government. In the case of Asbury Park, where there 
are 8,050 registered voters, the petition required 1,610 valid signatures and 
fell 335 short.

Kay also reported that the petition failed to specify whether the proposed 
government will be subject to nonpartisan or partisan elections. In a 
statement, Kay wrote that the designation of nonpartisan or partisan elections 
is a crucial piece of information necessary to clearly inform the voters the 
true purpose of the matter being put before them.

The petition had sought to divide the city into six wards with nine council 
members, one to be elected from each ward and three to be elected at large. The 
mayor would be elected directly by voters.

Currently, the city has five council members elected at large every four years 
with the council electing one of the five members to be mayor.

The petition was initiated by Duanne Small, 42, who said it is necessary 
because the city residents need better representation. Small said he was 
informed he had 10 days to resubmit the petition to the city.

"We will continue to get more signatures to meet the 335 (number) that is 
needed. We have 10 days from (Tuesday). We're also going to look over the ones 
that were found invalid because we believe some of them might be good," Small 
said.

Mayor Ed Johnson was not available for comment.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> Can you elaborate on what you're talking about?
> 
> You can see why I am slightly confused right?
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> C. Brian Watkins
> cbrianwatkins@...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "dougthedope12345" 
> Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:59:21 
> To: 
> Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park does not need a new form of 
> government!!!
> 
> Five elected councilhighest vote getter becomes MayorCity Manager 
> runs day-to-day operations... is good!!!...This council is not 
> awful.Johnson and Loffredo are credible.Bruno, Sanders and Henderson 
> are basically basketcases who stay out of the wayThe state is really 
> running thingsYou do not abide...no aid!!! What was this really about? A 
> group of Westsiders out to make a political powergrab...to enrich 
> themselves!!!Its about kickbacks; no bid contracts and under-the-table 
> envelopes stuffed with moneyfor themselves..Same old urban crap.I 
> don't believe Governor Christie is going to tolerate any more urban 
> nonsenseand I am sure the powers that be are watching closely.My 
> advise to these budding politicosrethink your position!The only 
> other suggestion I have..term limits 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bartender Mix-Off

[hmelissar]

Thanks for letting me know. That's too bad- my bartender friend was looking 
forward to competing again.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "joeybea...@yahoo.com"  
wrote:
>
> 
> I called MM and they are not having it this year.
> 
> It was a surprise to me as well.
> 
> Joey Schweigert
> 1306 Monroe
> Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
> 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bartender Mix-Off

[joeybea...@yahoo.com]

I called MM and they are not having it this year.

It was a surprise to me as well.

Joey Schweigert
1306 Monroe
Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park High's football team

[cbrianwatkins]

The team is OFFICIALLY a CNJ Group 1 dynasty

I didn't miss a home game this year, got to 1 away game. I have watched their 
games since they won the first one with Coach Don, and I didn't think this 
years team would do it, but man did they look crisp against a good Florence team
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Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park High's football team

 My lasy sentence was cut off..it should have read "Our city can be proud 
of kids like Corey who turned it aound in the classroom and made a difference 
on the field."

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mkdown13"  wrote:
>
> Just wanted to put this out there for the AP Group –
> 
> I think we all agree that Asbury Park is a city in transition and that many 
> improvements are needed on a number of fronts.  But some times we get so 
> focused on which restaurants are opening and closing, crime, the parking 
> issues, the city government, etc, that we miss little news stories that 
> highlight some of the good things that happen in town.  On Saturday, Asbury 
> Park High's football team beat Florence 42-18 to win the Group 1 championship 
> – our team may be smaller than most others it plays against and usually 
> outnumbered, but the heart, soul, and passion of this team is incredible (it 
> was especially touching to see the kids holding up the photo of John Key – 
> their coach who was killed earlier this season – out of love and respect for 
> someone who tried to make a difference with these kids).  Our city can be 
> proud of kids like Corey who turned it around in the classroom and made a 
> difference on the field.
> 
> 
> http://www.app.com/article/20111203/NJSPORTS0110/312030047/Goodson-makes-up-missed-time
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park High's football team

[mkdown13]

 My lasy sentence was cut off..it should have read "Our city can be proud 
of kids like Corey who turned it aound in the classroom and made a difference 
on the field."

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mkdown13"  wrote:
>
> Just wanted to put this out there for the AP Group –
> 
> I think we all agree that Asbury Park is a city in transition and that many 
> improvements are needed on a number of fronts.  But some times we get so 
> focused on which restaurants are opening and closing, crime, the parking 
> issues, the city government, etc, that we miss little news stories that 
> highlight some of the good things that happen in town.  On Saturday, Asbury 
> Park High's football team beat Florence 42-18 to win the Group 1 championship 
> – our team may be smaller than most others it plays against and usually 
> outnumbered, but the heart, soul, and passion of this team is incredible (it 
> was especially touching to see the kids holding up the photo of John Key – 
> their coach who was killed earlier this season – out of love and respect for 
> someone who tried to make a difference with these kids).  Our city can be 
> proud of kids like Corey who turned it around in the classroom and made a 
> difference on the field.
> 
> 
> http://www.app.com/article/20111203/NJSPORTS0110/312030047/Goodson-makes-up-missed-time
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

[dfsavgny]

Look at these animales chopping down a tree to get a bike.


http://youtu.be/PcV4LVhSRLg

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
>
> H :)
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the 
> > > process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in 
> > > broad daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit 
> > > heard us coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. 
> > > He ran away before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group 
> > > of three other kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the 
> > > APPD and they confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That 
> > > being said, be vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes.
> > >
> > 
> > be nice to run a hidden wire to a decoy bike and shock the f$ckers.
> >
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

[Hinge]

H :)

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
> >
> > Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the 
> > process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in 
> > broad daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit 
> > heard us coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. 
> > He ran away before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group of 
> > three other kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the APPD 
> > and they confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That being 
> > said, be vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes.
> >
> 
> be nice to run a hidden wire to a decoy bike and shock the f$ckers.
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> Huge problem right now? That's what they told me 3yrs ago when I had 3bikes 
> stolen in 8days (recovered 2 of the 3, one bike the following day in front of 
> my house, and my vintage rat rod 5 MONTHS LATER)
> 
> 
> A teacher in APHS who lives down the street from, has told us on several 
> occasions these kids consider any bike in AP theirs. She also told us 90% of 
> the bikes we see these kids on are stolen
> 
> I have had a kid tell me to my face while on my vintage 1970 ross apollo that 
> he "was gonna take that shit right from me"
> 
> 

That happened to me on the BW after fireworks a couple of years ago. I told him 
no problem, you can have it, just bend over and I'll stick the bike up your ass.







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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"  wrote:
>
> Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the 
> process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in broad 
> daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit heard us 
> coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. He ran away 
> before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group of three other 
> kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the APPD and they 
> confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That being said, be 
> vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes.
>

be nice to run a hidden wire to a decoy bike and shock the f$ckers.





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

[cbrianwatkins]

You basically hit the nail on the head

The parenting in our city (or lack thereof) I truly believe is the root cause 
of many many social problems in AP, from education in schools to crime and 
everything in between



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-Original Message-
From: "Hinge" 
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:54:53 
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Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

Doesn't it all come back to inattentive parenting? If you kid has 10 bikes in 
their backyard and you don't question you child about it, then something is 
wrong. I see boys riding girls bikes and big kids riding bikes that are way to 
small for them all the time. One time when I was working at Second Life Bikes, 
and kid came in with a bike freshly painted with black spray paint. I asked him 
where he got it. He said it was sitting on the curb, so he just took it. I told 
him that a spray painted bike is a tell-tale sign of it being stolen. He acted 
nervous and would not look me in the eye. Repeat that over and over in our 
city. Parents are casting a blind eye to their kids unlawful behavior. 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> One measure we, (as the potential victims) can take is to make sure we write 
> down the bikes serial numbers
> 
> I have all of my bikes serial numbers along with corresponding pictures of 
> them as well
> 
> I would never leave a bike locked up outside of a fence on your property, 2 
> of ours were locked up to our deck prior to having our fence put up, we came 
> home to find a cut lock and no bikes
> 
> The police keep great records of bikes reported stolen, and its a THICK book
> 
> The one thing I will say, is if you see a kid riding your stolen bike, they 
> will give it back quickly if you approach them
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Hinge" 
> Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:17:25 
> To: 
> Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves
> 
> Yeah, I had parts stolen off my bike a few years ago. Last night, a neighbor 
> of mine who constantly makes the mistake of locking her bike to a telephone 
> pole also had her front wheel stolen, and it's her only transportation.
> What can be done about this? Obviously parents aren't wondering where their 
> kids are getting all of their bikes and bike parts.
> Maybe the city should require everybody to register their bikes, just like 
> they do with dog licenses. If a kid is caught riding a bike without a 
> sticker, impound it. If it's found to be stolen, arrest the little shit heads.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote:
> >
> > Huge problem right now? That's what they told me 3yrs ago when I had 3bikes 
> > stolen in 8days (recovered 2 of the 3, one bike the following day in front 
> > of my house, and my vintage rat rod 5 MONTHS LATER)
> > 
> > 
> > A teacher in APHS who lives down the street from, has told us on several 
> > occasions these kids consider any bike in AP theirs. She also told us 90% 
> > of the bikes we see these kids on are stolen
> > 
> > I have had a kid tell me to my face while on my vintage 1970 ross apollo 
> > that he "was gonna take that shit right from me"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Hinge" 
> > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:05:48 
> > To: 
> > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park bicycle thieves
> > 
> > Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the 
> > process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in 
> > broad daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit 
> > heard us coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. 
> > He ran away before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group of 
> > three other kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the APPD 
> > and they confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That being 
> > said, be vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

[Hinge]

Doesn't it all come back to inattentive parenting? If you kid has 10 bikes in 
their backyard and you don't question you child about it, then something is 
wrong. I see boys riding girls bikes and big kids riding bikes that are way to 
small for them all the time. One time when I was working at Second Life Bikes, 
and kid came in with a bike freshly painted with black spray paint. I asked him 
where he got it. He said it was sitting on the curb, so he just took it. I told 
him that a spray painted bike is a tell-tale sign of it being stolen. He acted 
nervous and would not look me in the eye. Repeat that over and over in our 
city. Parents are casting a blind eye to their kids unlawful behavior. 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> One measure we, (as the potential victims) can take is to make sure we write 
> down the bikes serial numbers
> 
> I have all of my bikes serial numbers along with corresponding pictures of 
> them as well
> 
> I would never leave a bike locked up outside of a fence on your property, 2 
> of ours were locked up to our deck prior to having our fence put up, we came 
> home to find a cut lock and no bikes
> 
> The police keep great records of bikes reported stolen, and its a THICK book
> 
> The one thing I will say, is if you see a kid riding your stolen bike, they 
> will give it back quickly if you approach them
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Hinge" 
> Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:17:25 
> To: 
> Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves
> 
> Yeah, I had parts stolen off my bike a few years ago. Last night, a neighbor 
> of mine who constantly makes the mistake of locking her bike to a telephone 
> pole also had her front wheel stolen, and it's her only transportation.
> What can be done about this? Obviously parents aren't wondering where their 
> kids are getting all of their bikes and bike parts.
> Maybe the city should require everybody to register their bikes, just like 
> they do with dog licenses. If a kid is caught riding a bike without a 
> sticker, impound it. If it's found to be stolen, arrest the little shit heads.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote:
> >
> > Huge problem right now? That's what they told me 3yrs ago when I had 3bikes 
> > stolen in 8days (recovered 2 of the 3, one bike the following day in front 
> > of my house, and my vintage rat rod 5 MONTHS LATER)
> > 
> > 
> > A teacher in APHS who lives down the street from, has told us on several 
> > occasions these kids consider any bike in AP theirs. She also told us 90% 
> > of the bikes we see these kids on are stolen
> > 
> > I have had a kid tell me to my face while on my vintage 1970 ross apollo 
> > that he "was gonna take that shit right from me"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Hinge" 
> > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:05:48 
> > To: 
> > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park bicycle thieves
> > 
> > Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the 
> > process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in 
> > broad daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit 
> > heard us coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. 
> > He ran away before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group of 
> > three other kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the APPD 
> > and they confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That being 
> > said, be vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

[cbrianwatkins]

One measure we, (as the potential victims) can take is to make sure we write 
down the bikes serial numbers

I have all of my bikes serial numbers along with corresponding pictures of them 
as well

I would never leave a bike locked up outside of a fence on your property, 2 of 
ours were locked up to our deck prior to having our fence put up, we came home 
to find a cut lock and no bikes

The police keep great records of bikes reported stolen, and its a THICK book

The one thing I will say, is if you see a kid riding your stolen bike, they 
will give it back quickly if you approach them



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From: "Hinge" 
Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:17:25 
To: 
Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

Yeah, I had parts stolen off my bike a few years ago. Last night, a neighbor of 
mine who constantly makes the mistake of locking her bike to a telephone pole 
also had her front wheel stolen, and it's her only transportation.
What can be done about this? Obviously parents aren't wondering where their 
kids are getting all of their bikes and bike parts.
Maybe the city should require everybody to register their bikes, just like they 
do with dog licenses. If a kid is caught riding a bike without a sticker, 
impound it. If it's found to be stolen, arrest the little shit heads.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> Huge problem right now? That's what they told me 3yrs ago when I had 3bikes 
> stolen in 8days (recovered 2 of the 3, one bike the following day in front of 
> my house, and my vintage rat rod 5 MONTHS LATER)
> 
> 
> A teacher in APHS who lives down the street from, has told us on several 
> occasions these kids consider any bike in AP theirs. She also told us 90% of 
> the bikes we see these kids on are stolen
> 
> I have had a kid tell me to my face while on my vintage 1970 ross apollo that 
> he "was gonna take that shit right from me"
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Hinge" 
> Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:05:48 
> To: 
> Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park bicycle thieves
> 
> Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the 
> process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in broad 
> daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit heard us 
> coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. He ran away 
> before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group of three other 
> kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the APPD and they 
> confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That being said, be 
> vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park bicycle thieves

[Hinge]

Yeah, I had parts stolen off my bike a few years ago. Last night, a neighbor of 
mine who constantly makes the mistake of locking her bike to a telephone pole 
also had her front wheel stolen, and it's her only transportation.
What can be done about this? Obviously parents aren't wondering where their 
kids are getting all of their bikes and bike parts.
Maybe the city should require everybody to register their bikes, just like they 
do with dog licenses. If a kid is caught riding a bike without a sticker, 
impound it. If it's found to be stolen, arrest the little shit heads.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> Huge problem right now? That's what they told me 3yrs ago when I had 3bikes 
> stolen in 8days (recovered 2 of the 3, one bike the following day in front of 
> my house, and my vintage rat rod 5 MONTHS LATER)
> 
> 
> A teacher in APHS who lives down the street from, has told us on several 
> occasions these kids consider any bike in AP theirs. She also told us 90% of 
> the bikes we see these kids on are stolen
> 
> I have had a kid tell me to my face while on my vintage 1970 ross apollo that 
> he "was gonna take that shit right from me"
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Hinge" 
> Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:05:48 
> To: 
> Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park bicycle thieves
> 
> Last night at 7 pm I surprised a would be bicycle thief who was in the 
> process of trying to steal my bicycle seat/seat post. This happened in broad 
> daylight. I was leaving my apt with my dog when this little shit heard us 
> coming down the stairs, and I saw him with his hands on my bike. He ran away 
> before I could see his face, but I did see him join a group of three other 
> kids on BMX bikes, and they all sped away. I called the APPD and they 
> confirmed that this is a huge problem in AP right now. That being said, be 
> vigilant about anything you leave outside of your homes. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park historical society pushes to salvage Baronet Theater artifacts

[cathrynbe2002]

Interesting, thanks for posting.

Did anyone go inside during 2006 when it was open? Seems like if "extensive 
renovations" were done in 2005-2006, that, in four years, it wouldn't have 
fallen apart...

Cathryn.

>From the article:

During the two decades under then-owners Walter Burns and Maurice Roberson, the 
theater opened intermittently starting in 1986. Developers Dennis Dubrow and 
Patrick Fasano bought the theater in December 2005 and reopened it for the 
summer after extensive renovations in July 2006. The following summer Fasano 
and Dubrow sold it to the city’s master redeveloper.

The theater never opened again. Years of decay took its toll on the art deco 
building that stood neglected and underutilized while the city limped along in 
a stalled oceanfront redevelopment.

"I liked the Baronet because it was the oldest theater in town," Crawford said. 
"It was just a nice comfortable theater."

The Baronet, Stine said, is one of many historically significant buildings the 
city continues to lose to redevelopment and neglect. "This has been an ongoing 
problem in the city for decades actually â€" demolition through neglect," Stine 
said.

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> _Asbury  Park historical society pushes to salvage Baronet Theater 
> artifacts | NJ.com_ 
> (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/asbury_park_historical_society.html)
>   
>  
>  
> _http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/asbury_park_historical_society.htm
> l_ 
> (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/asbury_park_historical_society.html)
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Roastery for Christmas Gifts.

[oakdorf]

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> I love plugging the Asbury Park Roastery.

thanks for the reminder

http://asburyparkroastery.com/our_coffees.html




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park 14 Winston-Salem Yet to Score

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Update: Blue Bishops advance at Pop Warner Super Bowl, 14-0
> SARAH WEBSTER STAFF WRITER � December 7, 2008
> 
> LAKE BUENA VISTA, FLA � T

Are you reporting from down in Florida? ):






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[sharon_b283]

No problem, with it being your country, but "our" is more collective
since, you're speaking to ALL of us, I hope!  We're not foreigners,
you know.  Don't get me started!  I hope ALL of you enjoy the Holiday
tomorrow in OUR City by the Sea!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283"  
> wrote:
> >
> > In "YOUR" country?  
> 
> Yes Sharon this is where I was born and live.  Is it not my country?
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[justifiedright]

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> In "YOUR" country?  

Yes Sharon this is where I was born and live.  Is it not my country?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[sharon_b283]

...And on the 12th Day of Christmas, the Cajuns and the Creoles,
officially roll out that "other" season; Mardi Gras and culminates on
Ash Wednesday!  Laissez La Bon Ton Rouler!  No fooling!  Mardi Gras
begins on the 12th Night of Christmas and ends at midnight on Fat
Tuesday and all Catholics, hung over or not, go to Mass and received
their ashes!


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hmmm  I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first 
> question would be:
> 
> Should we really be out there singing: "On the First Day of 
> Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car-Rou-
> Sel?
> 
> Shouldn't this be a CITY activity, not a DEVELOPER activity?
> 
> Happy Festival of Lights, Tommy!  Yep, I get it.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> > STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> > 
> > ASBURY PARK — Madison Marquette will hold this year's holiday tree 
> lighting at 6 p.m. 
> > Sunday, Nov. 30, at the Convention Hall Arcade on the boardwalk.
> > 
> > Earlier at 3 p.m. Sunday, a free screening of the 1954 movie "White 
> Christmas'' with Bing 
> > Crosby will be shown in the Paramount Theatre, followed by a 
> performance of Tim McLoone 
> > and the Shirleys outside the arcade from 5 to 6 p.m.
> > 
> > Madison Marquette's marketing director, Courtney Johnson, said the 
> boardwalk's holiday 
> > bazaar officially starts Friday, Nov. 28, with all stores open from 
> 11 a.m. to 8 p.m. Thursday 
> > through Monday and live performances throughout the month.
> > 
> > This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands will be sold in 
> the Carousel and the arcade 
> > will feature a concierge greeting booth and a "100 Fabulous Gifts'' 
> shop featuring gifts from 
> > all the shops on the boardwalk. For more information, call (732) 
> 897-8810.
> >
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[sharon_b283]

In "YOUR" country?  What are we, "chopped liver"?

Yes, Germany was first and Queen Victoria introduced it to the Brits
through her German husband Prince Albert, later introduced into the
United States, during the Victorian period.  However the "customs" of
Christmas evolved, the overcommercialization of one of the Churches
most sacred days cannot be overemphasized.  For me, Good Friday, is
the most sacred of all Holy Days.  "For God so gave the world, His
only begotten Son".  Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter Sunday,
ring true for me, followed by Pentecost.

No need to argue over who started what, because like a child, I still
believe in Santa Claus or the very idea of him.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Interesting historical perspective about other parts of the world.
> 
> In my country, a christmas tree has been accepted as a part of the 
> American celebration.
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Because they aren't holiday trees.  They are Christmas trees.
> > > 
> > > Truth in advertising.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > There has historically been opposition to the custom of the 
> Christmas
> > tree because of its alleged pagan origins. Thus, Oliver Cromwell
> > preached against "the heathen traditions" of Christmas carols and
> > decorated trees. As pastor Henry Schwan of Cleveland OH in 1851
> > decorating what was likely the first Christmas tree in an American
> > church. His parishioners condemned the idea as a Pagan practice.
> > 
> > There are various legends regarding the origin of the Christmas 
> tree,
> > often relating to Saint Boniface. Thus, in one version, Boniface
> > disrupted a pagan child sacrifice at an oak tree, flattening the 
> oak
> > with a blow of his fist. A small fir sprang up in place of the oak,
> > which Boniface told the pagans represented Christ.[1] In some
> > accounts, Martin Luther is credited with adding lights and 
> decoration
> > to fir branches traditionally hung from ceilings.[2]
> > 
> > Condemnation of the Christmas tree as pagan has been based on a
> > passage in Jeremiah,
> > 
> > "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be 
> not
> > dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at 
> them.
> > For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out 
> of
> > the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 
> They
> > deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and 
> with
> > hammers, that it move not." (Jeremiah 10:2-4, KJV).
> > 
> > Christmas traditions in general have often been associated with
> > paganism in 19th century scholarship. Robert Chambers in his 1832 
> Book
> > of Days notes that the festivities of Christmas originally derived
> > from the Roman Saturnalia , had afterwards been intermingled with 
> the
> > ceremonies observed by the British Druids at the period of
> > winter-solstice, and at a subsequent period became incorporated 
> with
> > the grim mythology of the ancient Saxons. Two popular observances
> > belonging to Christmas are more especially derived from the 
> worship of
> > our pagan ancestors—the hanging up of the mistletoe and the 
> burning of
> > the Yule log. Regarding the Christmas tree itself, Chambers notes 
> that
> > it seems to be a very ancient custom in Germany, and is probably a
> > remnant of the splendid and fanciful pageants of the middle ages.
> > Other traditions relating to Christmas that may derive from 
> Germanic
> > pagan practices include the Christmas ham, Yule Goat, stuffing
> > stockings, elements of Santa Claus and his nocturnal ride through 
> the
> > sky, and elements of Alpine folklore.[3]
> > 
> > There are also some accounts that place the earliest Christmas 
> trees
> > in the Baltic (variously Estonia or Lativa), while in actuality the
> > custom was introduced there in the 1920s.
> >
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[dapawprint]

Yep, Oak, I get it... I lost site of the ownership.  Man, I was just 
trying to stand on Tommy's side for once!  Thank you for putting the 
ownership into perspective.

Glenn


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint"  wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm  I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first 
> > question would be:
> > 
> > Should we really be out there singing: "On the First Day of 
> > Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car-
Rou-
> > Sel?
> > 
> >
> 
> it's on the owner's property, not public.
> 
> 
> It's the season and real smart they can turn the arcade into a
> shopping/entertainment center - in December.
> 
> And it should be good for downtown, who has to learn and take
> advantage of the boardwalk draw and feed off of it.
> 
> That's FREE marketing for the downtown and the rest of the city.
> 
> Learn to capitalize on it.
> 
> A guy once had a pizzeria. He first complained that McDonalds moved
> across the street (must of meant he was in a good spot, right). He
> thought it would hurt his business.
> 
> In the long run, his business increased and he gained additional
> parking from the lot and additional traffic
> 
> get it?
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hmmm  I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first 
> question would be:
> 
> Should we really be out there singing: "On the First Day of 
> Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car-Rou-
> Sel?
> 
>

it's on the owner's property, not public.


It's the season and real smart they can turn the arcade into a
shopping/entertainment center - in December.

And it should be good for downtown, who has to learn and take
advantage of the boardwalk draw and feed off of it.

That's FREE marketing for the downtown and the rest of the city.

Learn to capitalize on it.

A guy once had a pizzeria. He first complained that McDonalds moved
across the street (must of meant he was in a good spot, right). He
thought it would hurt his business.

In the long run, his business increased and he gained additional
parking from the lot and additional traffic

get it?








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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[dapawprint]

Hmmm  I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first 
question would be:

Should we really be out there singing: "On the First Day of 
Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car-Rou-
Sel?

Shouldn't this be a CITY activity, not a DEVELOPER activity?

Happy Festival of Lights, Tommy!  Yep, I get it.

Glenn

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> 
> ASBURY PARK — Madison Marquette will hold this year's holiday tree 
lighting at 6 p.m. 
> Sunday, Nov. 30, at the Convention Hall Arcade on the boardwalk.
> 
> Earlier at 3 p.m. Sunday, a free screening of the 1954 movie "White 
Christmas'' with Bing 
> Crosby will be shown in the Paramount Theatre, followed by a 
performance of Tim McLoone 
> and the Shirleys outside the arcade from 5 to 6 p.m.
> 
> Madison Marquette's marketing director, Courtney Johnson, said the 
boardwalk's holiday 
> bazaar officially starts Friday, Nov. 28, with all stores open from 
11 a.m. to 8 p.m. Thursday 
> through Monday and live performances throughout the month.
> 
> This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands will be sold in 
the Carousel and the arcade 
> will feature a concierge greeting booth and a "100 Fabulous Gifts'' 
shop featuring gifts from 
> all the shops on the boardwalk. For more information, call (732) 
897-8810.
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[justifiedright]

I assume your question is to Jack since the seller is calling them 
Christmas trees and Jack wonders why he doesn't change it.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And can't a manufacturer/merchant call his product what he wants 
to  
> call them?
> 
> On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote:
> 
> > But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just  
> > because they like them?
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"  
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees.
> > >
> > > Truth in advertising.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing 
perspective, to
> > > just call them "Holiday
> > > > trees, wreaths, and garlands"
> > > > If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of 
Christmas, I
> > > doubt that people who
> > > > are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus
> > > when they are surrounded
> > > > by decorations.
> > > > Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd
> > > probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise 
sold in
> > > his name.
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> > > > > > STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands
> > > > >
> > > > > and and and
> > > > >
> > > > > move over tommy.
> > > > >
> > > > > What would a johnson know about hanukkah...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[Jersey Shore John]

They do all the time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah_bush

On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:05 PM, justifiedright wrote:

> Yes - Christmas Trees.
>
> You see, Christmas is also a cultural part of America. A recognized
> federal holiday. Many Jews who are proud of their American Culture
> take part fully in the American tradition of Christmas, without the
> religious part of the celebration.
>
> They wouldn't dream of casting an insult by changing the name of
> Christmas.
>
> Better to be inclusive and be part of the American holiday.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just
> because they like them?
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees.
> > >
> > > Truth in advertising.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective,
> to
> > > just call them "Holiday
> > > > trees, wreaths, and garlands"
> > > > If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of
> Christmas, I
> > > doubt that people who
> > > > are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus
> > > when they are surrounded
> > > > by decorations.
> > > > Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd
> > > probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold
> in
> > > his name.
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> > > > > > STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands
> > > > >
> > > > > and and and
> > > > >
> > > > > move over tommy.
> > > > >
> > > > > What would a johnson know about hanukkah...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> 



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[Jersey Shore John]

And can't a manufacturer/merchant call his product what he wants to  
call them?

On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote:

> But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just  
> because they like them?
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees.
> >
> > Truth in advertising.
> >
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to
> > just call them "Holiday
> > > trees, wreaths, and garlands"
> > > If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I
> > doubt that people who
> > > are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus
> > when they are surrounded
> > > by decorations.
> > > Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd
> > probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in
> > his name.
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> > > > > STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> > > > >>
> > > > > This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands
> > > >
> > > > and and and
> > > >
> > > > move over tommy.
> > > >
> > > > What would a johnson know about hanukkah...
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[oakdorf]

--- 


Christmas is good for the Jews who are in the retail and manufacturing
business

so yes it's a jewish holiday







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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[justifiedright]

Interesting historical perspective about other parts of the world.

In my country, a christmas tree has been accepted as a part of the 
American celebration.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Because they aren't holiday trees.  They are Christmas trees.
> > 
> > Truth in advertising.
> > 
> > 
> 
> There has historically been opposition to the custom of the 
Christmas
> tree because of its alleged pagan origins. Thus, Oliver Cromwell
> preached against "the heathen traditions" of Christmas carols and
> decorated trees. As pastor Henry Schwan of Cleveland OH in 1851
> decorating what was likely the first Christmas tree in an American
> church. His parishioners condemned the idea as a Pagan practice.
> 
> There are various legends regarding the origin of the Christmas 
tree,
> often relating to Saint Boniface. Thus, in one version, Boniface
> disrupted a pagan child sacrifice at an oak tree, flattening the 
oak
> with a blow of his fist. A small fir sprang up in place of the oak,
> which Boniface told the pagans represented Christ.[1] In some
> accounts, Martin Luther is credited with adding lights and 
decoration
> to fir branches traditionally hung from ceilings.[2]
> 
> Condemnation of the Christmas tree as pagan has been based on a
> passage in Jeremiah,
> 
> "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be 
not
> dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at 
them.
> For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out 
of
> the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 
They
> deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and 
with
> hammers, that it move not." (Jeremiah 10:2-4, KJV).
> 
> Christmas traditions in general have often been associated with
> paganism in 19th century scholarship. Robert Chambers in his 1832 
Book
> of Days notes that the festivities of Christmas originally derived
> from the Roman Saturnalia , had afterwards been intermingled with 
the
> ceremonies observed by the British Druids at the period of
> winter-solstice, and at a subsequent period became incorporated 
with
> the grim mythology of the ancient Saxons. Two popular observances
> belonging to Christmas are more especially derived from the 
worship of
> our pagan ancestors—the hanging up of the mistletoe and the 
burning of
> the Yule log. Regarding the Christmas tree itself, Chambers notes 
that
> it seems to be a very ancient custom in Germany, and is probably a
> remnant of the splendid and fanciful pageants of the middle ages.
> Other traditions relating to Christmas that may derive from 
Germanic
> pagan practices include the Christmas ham, Yule Goat, stuffing
> stockings, elements of Santa Claus and his nocturnal ride through 
the
> sky, and elements of Alpine folklore.[3]
> 
> There are also some accounts that place the earliest Christmas 
trees
> in the Baltic (variously Estonia or Lativa), while in actuality the
> custom was introduced there in the 1920s.
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[justifiedright]

Yes - Christmas Trees.

You see, Christmas is also a cultural part of America. A recognized 
federal holiday. Many Jews who are proud of their American Culture 
take part fully in the American tradition of Christmas, without the 
religious part of the celebration.

They wouldn't dream of casting an insult by changing the name of 
Christmas.

Better to be inclusive and be part of the American holiday.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just 
because they like them?
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
 wrote:
> >
> > Because they aren't holiday trees.  They are Christmas trees.
> > 
> > Truth in advertising.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, 
to 
> > just call them "Holiday 
> > > trees, wreaths, and garlands"
> > > If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of 
Christmas, I 
> > doubt that people who 
> > > are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus 
> > when they are surrounded 
> > > by decorations.
> > > Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd 
> > probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold 
in 
> > his name.
> > > 
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> > > > > STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> > > > >> 
> > > > > This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands 
> > > > 
> > > > and and and
> > > > 
> > > > move over tommy.
> > > > 
> > > > What would a johnson know about hanukkah...
> > > >
> > >
> >
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Because they aren't holiday trees.  They are Christmas trees.
> 
> Truth in advertising.
> 
> 

There has historically been opposition to the custom of the Christmas
tree because of its alleged pagan origins. Thus, Oliver Cromwell
preached against "the heathen traditions" of Christmas carols and
decorated trees. As pastor Henry Schwan of Cleveland OH in 1851
decorating what was likely the first Christmas tree in an American
church. His parishioners condemned the idea as a Pagan practice.

There are various legends regarding the origin of the Christmas tree,
often relating to Saint Boniface. Thus, in one version, Boniface
disrupted a pagan child sacrifice at an oak tree, flattening the oak
with a blow of his fist. A small fir sprang up in place of the oak,
which Boniface told the pagans represented Christ.[1] In some
accounts, Martin Luther is credited with adding lights and decoration
to fir branches traditionally hung from ceilings.[2]

Condemnation of the Christmas tree as pagan has been based on a
passage in Jeremiah,

"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not
dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of
the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They
deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with
hammers, that it move not." (Jeremiah 10:2-4, KJV).

Christmas traditions in general have often been associated with
paganism in 19th century scholarship. Robert Chambers in his 1832 Book
of Days notes that the festivities of Christmas originally derived
from the Roman Saturnalia , had afterwards been intermingled with the
ceremonies observed by the British Druids at the period of
winter-solstice, and at a subsequent period became incorporated with
the grim mythology of the ancient Saxons. Two popular observances
belonging to Christmas are more especially derived from the worship of
our pagan ancestors—the hanging up of the mistletoe and the burning of
the Yule log. Regarding the Christmas tree itself, Chambers notes that
it seems to be a very ancient custom in Germany, and is probably a
remnant of the splendid and fanciful pageants of the middle ages.
Other traditions relating to Christmas that may derive from Germanic
pagan practices include the Christmas ham, Yule Goat, stuffing
stockings, elements of Santa Claus and his nocturnal ride through the
sky, and elements of Alpine folklore.[3]

There are also some accounts that place the earliest Christmas trees
in the Baltic (variously Estonia or Lativa), while in actuality the
custom was introduced there in the 1920s.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[Jack Pitzer]

But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like 
them?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Because they aren't holiday trees.  They are Christmas trees.
> 
> Truth in advertising.
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to 
> just call them "Holiday 
> > trees, wreaths, and garlands"
> > If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I 
> doubt that people who 
> > are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus 
> when they are surrounded 
> > by decorations.
> > Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd 
> probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in 
> his name.
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> > > > STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> > > >> 
> > > > This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands 
> > > 
> > > and and and
> > > 
> > > move over tommy.
> > > 
> > > What would a johnson know about hanukkah...
> > >
> >
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[justifiedright]

Because they aren't holiday trees.  They are Christmas trees.

Truth in advertising.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to 
just call them "Holiday 
> trees, wreaths, and garlands"
> If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I 
doubt that people who 
> are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus 
when they are surrounded 
> by decorations.
> Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd 
probably want to collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in 
his name.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> > > STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> > >> 
> > > This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands 
> > 
> > and and and
> > 
> > move over tommy.
> > 
> > What would a johnson know about hanukkah...
> >
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[justifiedright]

On Friday night at 6 in the Grand Arcade between Paramount and CH 
there will be a performance by the NJ Rock n Roll Chorus.

Try to find the nice young lady from Howell singing 1st Soprano.

I imagine they will be singing Christmas songs, but they just 
recorded an a copella verson of Born to Run.  Considering the venue, 
I'm guessing they will sneak it in.

I hope you enjoy.





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> 
> ASBURY PARK — Madison Marquette will hold this year's holiday tree 
lighting at 6 p.m. 
> Sunday, Nov. 30, at the Convention Hall Arcade on the boardwalk.
> 
> Earlier at 3 p.m. Sunday, a free screening of the 1954 
movie "White Christmas'' with Bing 
> Crosby will be shown in the Paramount Theatre, followed by a 
performance of Tim McLoone 
> and the Shirleys outside the arcade from 5 to 6 p.m.
> 
> Madison Marquette's marketing director, Courtney Johnson, said the 
boardwalk's holiday 
> bazaar officially starts Friday, Nov. 28, with all stores open 
from 11 a.m. to 8 p.m. Thursday 
> through Monday and live performances throughout the month.
> 
> This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands will be sold in 
the Carousel and the arcade 
> will feature a concierge greeting booth and a "100 Fabulous 
Gifts'' shop featuring gifts from 
> all the shops on the boardwalk. For more information, call (732) 
897-8810.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[Jack Pitzer]

Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to just call 
them "Holiday 
trees, wreaths, and garlands"
If you think about the overwhelming retail aspect of Christmas, I doubt that 
people who 
are trolling around the mall are thinking about the baby jesus when they are 
surrounded 
by decorations.
Actually, if there were a Jesus, and he were alive today, he'd probably want to 
collect royalties from all the merchandise sold in his name.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> > STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
> >> 
> > This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands 
> 
> and and and
> 
> move over tommy.
> 
> What would a johnson know about hanukkah...
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
> STAFF REPORT • NOVEMBER 25, 2008
>> 
> This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands 

and and and

move over tommy.

What would a johnson know about hanukkah...




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Flexes Political Muscle

[sharon_b283]

You're a piece of work!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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> Hope you enjoy this post-election analysis that focuses on Asbury Park.
> 
> Brim will enjoy it the most.  Nice job, Michael.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/5dgbt9
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Flexes Political Muscle

[justifiedright]

Your modesty is appealing Michael, but Democrat voter turnout in
Asbury Park is ultimately your responsibility.

You deserve to have the credit.  Job very well done.

Besides, if Democrat voter turnout had been small, you know I'd be
blowing you up right now ;-)


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Brim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Thanks, Tommy, but it was more than just me!
> 
>  
> 
> Michael
> 
>  
> 
> From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of justifiedright
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:28 AM
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park Flexes Political Muscle
> 
>  
> 
> Hope you enjoy this post-election analysis that focuses on Asbury Park.
> 
> Brim will enjoy it the most. Nice job, Michael.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/5dgbt9
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park v Howell

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Howell - 20.
> Asbury Park - 12.
> 
> 
> This is Howard Cosell signing off
>

Of course you're tying in his real education as an attorney...







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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park v Howell

[justifiedright]

Howell - 20.
Asbury Park - 12.

Great game.

They may play again in a post season game in AP;  I'll let you all 
know if it happends.

After the 1st kick-off there were 4 officials on the field, and they 
were going to keep time there.  The coach of AP objected and wanted 
official time kept on the scoreboard, which takes an official off the 
field.  It's his right to insist, but it does take a pair of eyes away.

The next play when there was 3 officials, there was a Howell TD. 
Looked to me like he was out of bounds (AP players all pointing to the 
spot I saw), and ironically, the official keeping time would have been 
in position to catch it were he down there.

Howell was leading 14-0 right before the half.  Ran some plays when he 
could have sat on it (probably trying to get kids plays).  Lost the 
ball and AP scored.  Very exciting.

Late in the forth it was 14-12 with Howell drinving.  4th down and 8 
to go at mid field.  Most would have punted.  Howell completed a pass 
play for the 1st that eventually led to a TD.

Game ended exciting too, with AP driving.  Could have tied the game.  
Pass intercepted by Howell with short time left.

This is Howard Cosell signing off






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park v Howell

[justifiedright]

No thank you


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Anyway, Howell also has an undefeated team (not sure if it is pee 
wee 
> > or jr midget).   They happen to be playing an Asbury team on 
Sunday.
> >
> 
> $20 on AP.
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park v Howell

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
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> 
> Anyway, Howell also has an undefeated team (not sure if it is pee wee 
> or jr midget).   They happen to be playing an Asbury team on Sunday.
>

$20 on AP.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park v Howell

[sharon_b283]

Don't have a clue!  One of Neptune's former players is playing for
Marlboro.  Don't know which team was discontinued.  I did attend
Neptune's Homecoming last Saturday.  The Class of 1976, was being
honored.  I notice Asbury Park Pop Warner kids out on the street with
buckets, asking for donations.  What's up with that?  3 of my kids
live in Neptune, which is why I know.  Received a call during the
Marlboro game that the parents from Marlboro were fighting with the
refs!  When I was coaching they were doing the same thing, (80's)!
Overzealous parents complaining that their kids weren't getting into
the game!  What can I say?  No sportsmanship?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Very intriguing Pop Warner game on Sunday afternoon at 4:30 if you 
> are interested. 
> 
> PLEASE READ THIS (particularly the bottom!):
> 
> Don't know if you've heard about Asbury Park's Pop Warner this year.  
> 
> At one point in the season, not only was every team at every level 
> (mighty might, jr pee wee, pee wee, jr midget and midget) undefeated, 
> BUT EVERY GAME AT EVERY LEVEL WAS A SHUT OUT. Wow.  Not sure if 
> that's even changed.
> 
> For some reason, many kids from Neptune are playing for Asbury.  
> Neptune's program seems decimated.  I heard they had to drop one 
> level completely, and when the mighty might team I coach in Howell 
> went to play them, Neptune forfieted for not having enough players.  
> Anyone know what's up with that?   Sharon??
> 
> Anyway, Howell also has an undefeated team (not sure if it is pee wee 
> or jr midget).   They happen to be playing an Asbury team on Sunday.
> 
> I'll be spotting the game for the announcer.  The announcer will be 
> Mike Clark, who graduated APHS with me and coaches with me here in 
> Howell.
> 
> HOWELL WILL BE PACKED WITH FANS!  They moved this game from Saturday 
> because Saturday is "Howell Day" and the fear was so many people were 
> going to the game that Howell Day would be a bust.
> 
> Accordingly, to keep Howells "12th man" off the field, the Asbury 
> Park kids are going to need many people to come cheer for them, so 
> pass this around and come if you can.  
> 
> Show some Asbury spirit and come support the kids.
> 
> Everyone's welcome.
> 
> Should be fun and a great game.
> 
> Here's where:
> 
> Howell Pop Warner Complex
> 
> GSP (N)/(S) Exit 98 Route 138 West, which turns into Interstate 195 
> West. Continue 2 miles to Exit 31A, Monmouth County Route 547 South. 
> Go 1000 feet to the traffic light and turn right onto Old Tavern 
> Road. The complex will be approx. 500 feet after the railroad 
> crossing, across from the Law Enforcement Center, and Library.
> 
> Route 9 (Optional) (N)/(S) to Aldrich Road East, and continue to the 
> end. At the yield sign, bear right on Windler Road, and continue 500 
> feet to Oak Glen Road, turn left. Around the 1st curve, turns into 
> Old Tavern Road. Proceed ½ miles, and just past Preventorium Road, 
> field will be on the right, across from Law Enforcement Center.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[Jack Pitzer]

I have to agree with Gary. The parking meters would be good for the city if 
they were 
properly implemented, but they weren't. It was confusing. And it's even more 
confusing 
that you can park in a lot for free, but you can also park in a confusing paid 
parking space  
, potentially screw up and wind up with a $26 ticket.
This whole situation is just bad PR for AP.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't think it's wrong to be critical of the way the system was 
> implemented.This is a system, which people have shown quite a bit of 
> confusion in using - one that had at least one local town (Belmar) 
> eliminate the system for that very reason.   The meters also run a good 
> 5 hours longer than any of the nearby towns.
> 
> I think those two points are definitely worth discussing and debating.
> 
> dfsavgny wrote:
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> > , nnjallans1@ wrote:
> > >
> > > True I don't get that. The city buys these units and then MM opens
> > free lots. The city should explain to us tax payers
> >
> > The lots will not be free but MM cannot charge to park there until
> > they recieve COs. The city asked MM to open them up free in the
> > interim to help the parking situation. Some of you are too critical
> > even when the city tries to do something good. Damend ifyou do and
> > damned if you don't. The parking meters are good for this city. The
> > implementation was not perfect. People hate change. They will learn to
> > use the system. Parking is never free. There is always a cost. Time
> > for people to grow up. Its not your uncle's AP anymore.
> >
> >
>






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[lightgrw]

I don't think it's wrong to be critical of the way the system was 
implemented.This is a system, which people have shown quite a bit of 
confusion in using - one that had at least one local town (Belmar) 
eliminate the system for that very reason.   The meters also run a good 
5 hours longer than any of the nearby towns.

I think those two points are definitely worth discussing and debating.

dfsavgny wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > True I don't get that. The city buys these units and then MM opens
> free lots. The city should explain to us tax payers
>
> The lots will not be free but MM cannot charge to park there until
> they recieve COs. The city asked MM to open them up free in the
> interim to help the parking situation. Some of you are too critical
> even when the city tries to do something good. Damend ifyou do and
> damned if you don't. The parking meters are good for this city. The
> implementation was not perfect. People hate change. They will learn to
> use the system. Parking is never free. There is always a cost. Time
> for people to grow up. Its not your uncle's AP anymore.
>
>  




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> True I don't get that.  The city buys these units and then MM opens
free lots. The city should explain to us tax payers

The lots will not be free but MM cannot charge to park there until
they recieve COs. The city asked MM to open them up free in the
interim to help the parking situation. Some of you are too critical
even when the city tries to do something good. Damend ifyou do and
damned if you don't. The parking meters are good for this city. The
implementation was not perfect. People hate change. They will learn to
use the system. Parking is never free. There is always a cost. Time
for people to grow up. Its not your uncle's AP anymore.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[sharon_b283]

Who approved this system?  Did the PEOPLE know?  How many other issues
go under the radar?  Where did those parking lots come form?  They
were filled to capacity, but I didn't see any signs with price, entry
or whatever it takes to get into one of these lots, in addition to the
one over on Kingsley?  and Ocean Ave. by the Casino.  I don't know
this Asbury Park.  Oh and upon exiting this lot, they think THEY have
the right of way!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two
but 
> removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because
too 
> many people complained about not understanding where they should be 
> paying for their spot.
> 
> New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you 
> really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay.
> 
> Jack Pitzer wrote:
> >
> > To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but 
> > they are confused by the
> > new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning
curve.
> > Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which 
> > aren't being
> > monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the 
> > SP and by the
> > Casino.
> > Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it.
> > This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise 
> > positive summer.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> > , "sharon_b283"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Better than a "speed trap", huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From
> > > Asbury Park! Park here and get an "instant" discount of $26.00!
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> > , "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> > > > Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay
stations
> > > > BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post
> > > larger signs — perhaps
> > > > 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay
> > > stations at each
> > > > intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered
parking spot
> > > they parked in.
> > > >
> > > > Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park
> > > began enforcing metered
> > > > parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for
> > > not paying to park is
> > > > $26.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> True I don't get that.  The city buys these units and then MM opens
free lots. The city should explain to us tax payers
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 

Well, tonight and the other day, the free lots were filled by the WB/
Tonight, I paid .80 to park by north beach.

Went to Teak in Red Bank last night. Parked for free. I think it ended
at six pm the fees. 

I only had one ticket in red b - parking in a stall backward - uts
illegal in RB. Make that 2 - I read ended someone.

Years ago, the lot behind the pony and the old triangle lot were
privately owned and the city had meters.

Lots of things could be done - like making one of those lots or
portions of employee parking only or better yet - don't let the
employees drive in.

The pay stations are hard to read at night unless they are under a
street light. I was at the one tonight at the north corner of the
sunset ave pav/ 6th ave. The person on front of me couldn;t pay cuase
the machine was having troublr ccepting her paper money. They were
trying to pay 2.50 for five hours. 

It's not just AP, unless the pay stations are in enclosed garage or
lot, its hard to know how to, if you and how much.
But, I think its a great idea. 




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[nnjallans1]

True I don't get that.  The city buys these units and then MM opens free lots. 
The city should explain to us tax payers
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:14:20 
To: 
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets


The city failed with this parking system on so many different levels.
First off, they should've waited till next summer, or until more of the 
renovation is 
complete.
Secondly, it's confusing people left and right. And if you park too far away 
from the 
machines, and don't know that you have to pay to park, and didn't note the 
space number, 
you have to walk all the way back to your car. Strike 2.
Finally, there is no communication between the city and MM, because MM has free 
lots at 
the SP, Casino and the Wonder Bar. People seems to be parking in those, rather 
then use 
the pay spaces. I'd do the same thing. Nobody is watching those lots.
This is already generating lots of brand new bad publicity for our city. It 
should. If you get 
a $26 ticket because the system is confusing, you are gonna tell all your 
friends about it.
I think the city should cancel all of those tickets that were issued and fix 
things.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This system works in NY.  However there are a few signs per block that give 
> direction.  If 
so many tickets are. Being issued then the problem is how the city launched this
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:00:11 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> 
> 
> Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two but 
> removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because too 
> many people complained about not understanding where they should be 
> paying for their spot.
> 
> New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you 
> really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay.
> 
> Jack Pitzer wrote:
> >
> > To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but 
> > they are confused by the
> > new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve.
> > Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which 
> > aren't being
> > monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the 
> > SP and by the
> > Casino.
> > Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it.
> > This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise 
> > positive summer.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com>, "sharon_b283"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Better than a "speed trap", huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From
> > > Asbury Park! Park here and get an "instant" discount of $26.00!
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com>, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> > > > Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations
> > > > BY NANCY SHIELDS � COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU � AUGUST 30, 2008
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ASBURY PARK � City officials Friday said they will order and post
> > > larger signs � perhaps
> > > > 12 by 18 inches � directing people to the new beachfront pay
> > > stations at each
> > > > intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot
> > > they parked in.
> > > >
> > > > Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park
> > > began enforcing metered
> > > > parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for
> > > not paying to park is
> > > > $26.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[Jack Pitzer]

The city failed with this parking system on so many different levels.
First off, they should've waited till next summer, or until more of the 
renovation is 
complete.
Secondly, it's confusing people left and right. And if you park too far away 
from the 
machines, and don't know that you have to pay to park, and didn't note the 
space number, 
you have to walk all the way back to your car. Strike 2.
Finally, there is no communication between the city and MM, because MM has free 
lots at 
the SP, Casino and the Wonder Bar. People seems to be parking in those, rather 
then use 
the pay spaces. I'd do the same thing. Nobody is watching those lots.
This is already generating lots of brand new bad publicity for our city. It 
should. If you get 
a $26 ticket because the system is confusing, you are gonna tell all your 
friends about it.
I think the city should cancel all of those tickets that were issued and fix 
things.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This system works in NY.  However there are a few signs per block that give 
> direction.  If 
so many tickets are. Being issued then the problem is how the city launched this
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:00:11 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> 
> 
> Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two but 
> removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because too 
> many people complained about not understanding where they should be 
> paying for their spot.
> 
> New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you 
> really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay.
> 
> Jack Pitzer wrote:
> >
> > To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but 
> > they are confused by the
> > new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve.
> > Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which 
> > aren't being
> > monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the 
> > SP and by the
> > Casino.
> > Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it.
> > This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise 
> > positive summer.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com>, "sharon_b283"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Better than a "speed trap", huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From
> > > Asbury Park! Park here and get an "instant" discount of $26.00!
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> > <mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com>, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> > > > Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations
> > > > BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post
> > > larger signs — perhaps
> > > > 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay
> > > stations at each
> > > > intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot
> > > they parked in.
> > > >
> > > > Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park
> > > began enforcing metered
> > > > parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for
> > > not paying to park is
> > > > $26.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[nnjallans1]

This system works in NY.  However there are a few signs per block that give 
direction.  If so many tickets are. Being issued then the problem is how the 
city launched this
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:00:11 
To: 
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets


Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two but 
removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because too 
many people complained about not understanding where they should be 
paying for their spot.

New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you 
really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay.

Jack Pitzer wrote:
>
> To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but 
> they are confused by the
> new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve.
> Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which 
> aren't being
> monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the 
> SP and by the
> Casino.
> Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it.
> This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise 
> positive summer.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com>, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Better than a "speed trap", huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From
> > Asbury Park! Park here and get an "instant" discount of $26.00!
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com>, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> > > Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations
> > > BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008
> > >
> > >
> > > ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post
> > larger signs — perhaps
> > > 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay
> > stations at each
> > > intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot
> > they parked in.
> > >
> > > Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park
> > began enforcing metered
> > > parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for
> > not paying to park is
> > > $26.
> > >
> >
>
>  




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[lightgrw]

Belmar actually tried a parking meter system like that a year or two but 
removed it in favor of the old system of one meter per space because too 
many people complained about not understanding where they should be 
paying for their spot.

New signs would definitely be helpful as there are areas where you 
really have to look quite a distance to find the machine to pay.

Jack Pitzer wrote:
>
> To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but 
> they are confused by the
> new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve.
> Also, why pay when you can park in the new lot's that MM built which 
> aren't being
> monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the 
> SP and by the
> Casino.
> Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it.
> This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise 
> positive summer.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> , "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Better than a "speed trap", huh? I get it, don't you? Greetings From
> > Asbury Park! Park here and get an "instant" discount of $26.00!
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> , "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> > > Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations
> > > BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008
> > >
> > >
> > > ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post
> > larger signs — perhaps
> > > 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay
> > stations at each
> > > intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot
> > they parked in.
> > >
> > > Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park
> > began enforcing metered
> > > parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for
> > not paying to park is
> > > $26.
> > >
> >
>
>  




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[Jack Pitzer]

To top it all off, not only are people getting ticketed all over, but they are 
confused by the 
new parking system. A parking system should not require a learning curve.
Also, why pay when you can park in the  new lot's that MM built which aren't 
being 
monitored at all? Tons of people are, behind the WB, across from the SP and by 
the 
Casino.
Makes no sense at all, and we are paying the price for it.
This parking fiasco is a terrible way for AP to end an otherwise positive 
summer.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Better than a "speed trap", huh?  I get it, don't you?  Greetings From
> Asbury Park!  Park here and get an  "instant"  discount of $26.00!
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> > Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations
> > BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008
> > 
> > 
> > ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post
> larger signs — perhaps 
> > 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay
> stations at each 
> > intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot
> they parked in.
> > 
> > Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park
> began enforcing metered 
> > parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for
> not paying to park is 
> > $26.
> >
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets

[sharon_b283]

Better than a "speed trap", huh?  I get it, don't you?  Greetings From
Asbury Park!  Park here and get an  "instant"  discount of $26.00!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Asbury Park court swamped by parking tickets
> Larger signs ordered to acclimate beachfront visitors to pay stations
> BY NANCY SHIELDS • COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU • AUGUST 30, 2008
> 
> 
> ASBURY PARK — City officials Friday said they will order and post
larger signs — perhaps 
> 12 by 18 inches — directing people to the new beachfront pay
stations at each 
> intersection, where they can pay for the newly numbered parking spot
they parked in.
> 
> Police have issued hundreds of parking tickets since Asbury Park
began enforcing metered 
> parking on the beachfront two weeks ago. The cost of a ticket for
not paying to park is 
> $26.
> 





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Magic

[justifiedright]

I know what you mean.

My boys never forget the night I took them to Asbury in the winter and 
we spent the night throwing snowballs at Tillie.

Memories.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was at the Stone Pony with my kid Wed night and the Fireworks on 
the 
> beach were awsome. Thank you Asbury Park. I love sharing moments like 
> that with my kids. Its a memory you never forget.
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Boardwalk and Olympic Baseball in article....

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Interesting commentary in this article the other day.
> 
> ...

as a follow-up to that previous post about that- the writer must not have been 
in AP recently 
- or for a long time, but while in Bejing, SOMETHING reminded him AP.

I sent him an email to find out what.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Hotel and Conference Center......

[arcman210]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> A couple interesting notes.
> 
> 1. Anyone ever see the concepts of the BW on diplay at North Beach? By
> GP ARchitects
> 
> Then this one - the Asbury PArk Hotel and Conference Center
> http://www.diguiseppe.com/design/images/projects/hotels/Asbury%
20Park/Title%20Page%20-%20Asbury%20Park.html
>

Is this a current concept or a previous one?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Art: Fourth Avenue and Main Street

[sharon_b283]

It's beautiful, like the artist!  Thanks, Linda

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Linda Griggs (http://lindagriggs.com  ) obtained
> permission from the property owner of the old fueling station on the
> corner of Main Street and Fourth Avenue to create a mural.
> 
> Here are some pictures of Linda's work in progress, these pictures have
> been provided to me by Linda with permission to post them. Please note
> that the mural is removeable and may disappear at any time, so, grab
> your own photos quickly! Linda will continue enhancing the mural for as
> long as it remains:
> 
> BEFORE:
> 
>   [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] 
> 
> 
> AFTER:
> 
>   [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] 
>  After
> 
> AFTER With Detail:
> 
>   [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] 
> 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Art: Fourth Avenue and Main Street

[njshoregirlap]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Linda Griggs (http://lindagriggs.com  ) obtained
> permission from the property owner of the old fueling station on the
> corner of Main Street and Fourth Avenue to create a mural.
> 
> Here are some pictures of Linda's work in progress, these pictures have
> been provided to me by Linda with permission to post them. Please note
> that the mural is removeable and may disappear at any time, so, grab
> your own photos quickly! Linda will continue enhancing the mural for as
> long as it remains:
> 
> BEFORE:
> 
>   [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] 
> 
> 
> AFTER:
> 
>   [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] 
>  After
> 
> AFTER With Detail:
> 
>   [Asbury Art, 4th. Ave. and Main] 
> 
>
I'll be sure to get my camera and get some shots of this beautiful
mural!  Excellent work!!!




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops

[New Beetoap]

There are places that protect scenic and historic views. Didn't 
anyone think of that before putting up those shacks?

I've always appreciated when I have good photo opportunities. That 
fortune teller place is known around the world and certainly should 
have been protected.

Its changed for the worse. It used to be a white building and the 
one nextdoor (bandstand) was orange. A great classic Asbury image 
from the boardwalk. Now its blue with a yellow building behind it as 
viewed looking NW.

 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Your point about taking that picture is a good one.
> People from all over the world who are Bruce fans come to Asbury 
to take pictures like the 
> one you mentioned. I met one of these people once in Germany, and 
she has a photo 
> album with a pic of her standing next to Madam Marie's. An entire 
side of that building is 
> now obscured by a shipping container.
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap"  
wrote:
> >
> > That was my impression too, they are awful. This was brought up 
here 
> > before they were even put in. Seems really cheap and tasteless. 
They 
> > block the views down the street too.
> > 
> > Madam Marie is really squeezed in now so I cant get a good 
classic 
> > picture anymore.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "njshoregirlap" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > I'm going to Rant so be prepared folks!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I haven't printed pics yet, but who ever heard of using 
shipping
> > > containers painted white as "storefronts"?  My God they are
> > > hideous!!!  They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions 
(which
> > > are looking great by the way)
> > > I am not sure how much the rent is for these hideous containers
> > > whatever it may be is too much. 
> > >
> >
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops

[Jack Pitzer]

Your point about taking that picture is a good one.
People from all over the world who are Bruce fans come to Asbury to take 
pictures like the 
one you mentioned. I met one of these people once in Germany, and she has a 
photo 
album with a pic of her standing next to Madam Marie's. An entire side of that 
building is 
now obscured by a shipping container.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That was my impression too, they are awful. This was brought up here 
> before they were even put in. Seems really cheap and tasteless. They 
> block the views down the street too.
> 
> Madam Marie is really squeezed in now so I cant get a good classic 
> picture anymore.
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "njshoregirlap" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I'm going to Rant so be prepared folks!
> > 
> > 
> > I haven't printed pics yet, but who ever heard of using shipping
> > containers painted white as "storefronts"?  My God they are
> > hideous!!!  They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which
> > are looking great by the way)
> > I am not sure how much the rent is for these hideous containers
> > whatever it may be is too much. 
> >
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops

[New Beetoap]

That was my impression too, they are awful. This was brought up here 
before they were even put in. Seems really cheap and tasteless. They 
block the views down the street too.

Madam Marie is really squeezed in now so I cant get a good classic 
picture anymore.


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> 
> I'm going to Rant so be prepared folks!
> 
> 
> I haven't printed pics yet, but who ever heard of using shipping
> containers painted white as "storefronts"?  My God they are
> hideous!!!  They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which
> are looking great by the way)
> I am not sure how much the rent is for these hideous containers
> whatever it may be is too much. 
> 





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops

[Jack Pitzer]

Zanadu looks like it should be moved to Port Newark. It'd fit in perfectly 
there with the stack 
upon stack of containers.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "njshoregirlap"
>  wrote:
> > 
> > I haven't printed pics yet, but who ever heard of using shipping
> > containers painted white as "storefronts"?  My God they are
> > hideous!!!  They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which
> > are looking great by the way)
> > I am not sure how much the rent is for these hideous containers
> > whatever it may be is too much. 
> >
> 
> David Rockwell's latest design phase. Xanadu has a similar look.
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "njshoregirlap"
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> 
> I haven't printed pics yet, but who ever heard of using shipping
> containers painted white as "storefronts"?  My God they are
> hideous!!!  They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which
> are looking great by the way)
> I am not sure how much the rent is for these hideous containers
> whatever it may be is too much. 
>

David Rockwell's latest design phase. Xanadu has a similar look.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops

[oakdorf]

-
> in Long Branch you can see what extreme building conveysthe beach
> is only for some people...for example.  
>

While the shops in LB (and AP) may be for "some people" - the beaches
aren't and won't be.

I've sat in the middle of Pier village on the beach - and it's
probably the most diversified beach in M county. And if you want to
see how the women from South America wear a bikini - that's the place
to go. 

Drive through Sea Bright - now that's really excluding some people.
And I'm one of the some (unless some other "one" invites me...then I
have to decide if I realy feel like being proper all day...or if I
want to hear about someone else
s "problems"...)




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "njshoregirlap" 
>  wrote:
> >I am a City Planner by education. I took many classes
> > on Architecture and Urban Design . 
> 
> >They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which
> > are looking great by the way)
> 
> As a city planner what are your thoughts on having anything in those 
> spaces, regardless of how they look? I'm sure you know the history and 
> reasoning behind the flared streets between Ocean and Kingsley that 
> correspond to those spaces. Is it worth it lose that air flow and those 
> sightlines in order to gain whatever rent they're making on those 
> containers?
>

That's another point altogether!  I think that the thought that went
into the initial design of the street plan was visionary.  You have to
admit that the wide streets at the oceanside do allow some great
circulation to the uppper blocks in town,(of which I'm a beneficiary!)
If you compare Asbury design to say the obstruction of the oceanfront
in Long Branch you can see what extreme building conveysthe beach
is only for some people...for example.  

You raise some good points. I had only been thinking about the facade
factor when I initially posted.  Open spaces between the pavillions
does make sense if you are keeping with historical design standards.
It makes additional sense if you keep in mind environmental problems
of today.   Thanks.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Metal Container Shops

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "njshoregirlap" 
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>I am a City Planner by education. I took many classes
> on Architecture and Urban Design . 

>They dot the vacant spots between the pavillions (which
> are looking great by the way)

As a city planner what are your thoughts on having anything in those 
spaces, regardless of how they look? I'm sure you know the history and 
reasoning behind the flared streets between Ocean and Kingsley that 
correspond to those spaces. Is it worth it lose that air flow and those 
sightlines in order to gain whatever rent they're making on those 
containers?







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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> \
> From whom do you think the goyum buy their crosses from?
> 
> Priest: "100 crucifixes please"
> 
> Vendor: "mit or mitout the jesuses?
>

The funny part of the xmas trees was my firend's brother went to 
Brooklyn to buy a "trailer" of trees. When they delivered them and 
started unbundeling them, they weren't exactly full.

So we took wire and sold "2 for 1" tie them together for one good tree 
and the rest we chopped up and made grave blankets or wreaths.

Things you can't learn in school.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

[Tom Matthews]

I was in Israel about 10 years ago on business. We visited the old
city of Jerusalem on our day off. A large part of it kind of reminded
me of Collingswood Auction. There were little shops run by Christians,
Jews, and Muslims, and they were all selling each others icons. Didn't
see many Buddahs or Kalis, though...

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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf"  wrote:
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> > 
> > Ever see a jewish kid selling xmas trees and homemade wreaths?
> > 
> 
> From whom do you think the goyum buy their crosses from?
> 
> Priest: "100 crucifixes please"
> 
> Vendor: "mit or mitout the jesuses?
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

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> 
> Ever see a jewish kid selling xmas trees and homemade wreaths?
> 

>From whom do you think the goyum buy their crosses from?

Priest: "100 crucifixes please"

Vendor: "mit or mitout the jesuses?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> at 8 30 ralphs, pottery, style was closing around 9, eddie ice
cream, cuban were open - as were salt water, biggies, tooles and b. bar.

not bad actually - more then ever opened.

And Im sure once the bars are open on the bw, there will be alot more
peopleand stores open.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

[MarioAPNJ]

In a message dated 7/14/2008 9:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Surprised MM hasn't put in SOH = standard operating  hours.
Coincidentally, I ran into two out-of-town friends around 6 tonight.   The 
were on Sunset, headed to the boardwalk.  When I mentioned the crods  and 
parking situation this past weekend, they were skeptical because they work  
weekends 
and can only do the boards on week nights.
 
Based on your report of the closed shops tonight,  I doubt they'll be any 
less skeptical.
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> SOH are S.O.P. even at Collingwood Flea Market.
> 
>

did that as well. 

Ever see a jewish kid selling xmas trees and homemade wreaths?


I need pickles.




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

[MarioAPNJ]

In a message dated 7/14/2008 9:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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Surprised MM hasn't put in SOH = standard operating hours.

I  would. I did it when I was there - regardless of weather i  the
summer.
SOH are S.O.P. even at Collingwood Flea Market.



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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

[Jack Pitzer]

I absolutely agree that bikes should be allowed after 9 pm, but only on 
weekdays.

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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "John Lorenzo"  wrote:
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> > It has gotten too crowded TOO fast! Bikes are now banned after 12 Noon 
> > 
> 
> I just got bike from my night time trip to ralph's. 
> 
> A cop told two people with dogs to leave and a kid on a bike
> 
> I think after 9 pm it should be ok
> 
> A couple signs on what IS coming next should be splurged on. A nice
> big waterpark sign, some temp lighting om the closed buildings would
> help as well. Lot of people still have no idea waht is going on. 
> 
> Also, this is summer. If you already have an operating business on the
> BW, BE OPEN at night.
> 
> A boardwalk business is not meant to be open from 10-5pm. It's a
> BOARDWALK. It;s SUMMER, Be open to at least 10 pm. 
> 
> Even it's DEAD.
> 
> There were 20 people playing golf. 20 x 5 = $100. 100 x 10 hours -
> $1,000.  
> 
> Get it?
> 
> Surprised MM hasn't put in SOH = standard operating hours.
> 
> I would. I did it when I was there - regardless of weather i the
> summer. We could do more biz when we went real nuts and reopened from
> 11pm - 2am.
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park on the MOVE

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "John Lorenzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It has gotten too crowded TOO fast! Bikes are now banned after 12 Noon 
> 

I just got bike from my night time trip to ralph's. 

A cop told two people with dogs to leave and a kid on a bike

I think after 9 pm it should be ok

A couple signs on what IS coming next should be splurged on. A nice
big waterpark sign, some temp lighting om the closed buildings would
help as well. Lot of people still have no idea waht is going on. 

Also, this is summer. If you already have an operating business on the
BW, BE OPEN at night.

A boardwalk business is not meant to be open from 10-5pm. It's a
BOARDWALK. It;s SUMMER, Be open to at least 10 pm. 

Even it's DEAD.

There were 20 people playing golf. 20 x 5 = $100. 100 x 10 hours -
$1,000.  

Get it?

Surprised MM hasn't put in SOH = standard operating hours.

I would. I did it when I was there - regardless of weather i the
summer. We could do more biz when we went real nuts and reopened from
11pm - 2am. 






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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park ?

[Mark Mark]

(Con't) they paid $150/cple to eat at Salt Water.  They loved it and raved 
about how much asbury has progressed. They are planning on going back this 
weekend. 
 
I like the way the pavilions look. Could they be better? Sure. Am I going to 
complain..nope. The people are coming and everyone is having a good time. Isn't 
that what the boardwalk is supposed to present? A good time. 
 
Did anyone try the Cuban sandwiches? They are great!


  

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park ?

[Mark Mark]

First people said no one will come to Asbury. Now its there is grid lock 
because too many people are coming to Asbury. My coworkers who visited asbury 
could not believe all the events that were going on. Yup they had to drive 
around to find parking near North Beach, but they also paid $150/cple 


  

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park ?

[wernerapnj]

Self-interested speculation?... quality rather than quantity...?

Perhaps Asbury Park, Asbury Partners and MM need a history lesson.

from the Chicago Plan website
... there was too much ugliness and squalor. The planners blamed this
condition on uncontrolled development and self-interested speculation.
The Plan maintains that the issue facing Chicago is no longer
expansion but conservation, quality rather than quantity of life. Time
and again, it declares that a city's social, cultural, and financial
well-being are inseparable. "The constant struggle of civilization is
to know and to attain the highest good," it states, "and the city
which brings about the best conditions of life becomes the most
prosperous." Lack of planning had wasted time, effort, and money,
-

(Note that last line)

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[sharon_b283]

You can say that, again!  Hell, Oak, I make a good martini!
Werner, why ask why?

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> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Glenn,
> > > You're absolutely right!  Why doesn't the hypocrisy of it all, 
> NOT
> > > surprise me?  At the 110th Anniversary, thing, the Carousel was 
> used
> > > for the cake, but still, no carousel in the city, except in our 
> minds,
> > 
> > 
> > I'll go out on a limb here - the STUPIDEST thing MM can do is to 
> NOT put the (a) carousel 
> > back in the Casino.
> >
> ==
> 
> Stupid is, as stupid does...
> 
> The track record for common sense and visionary thinking in this 
> redevelopment speaks for itself.
> 
> Werner
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[charlie]

"I'll go out on a limb here - the STUPIDEST thing MM can do is to NOT put the 
(a) carousel 
back in the Casino."
   
   I hope they do put it back.  

   
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[wernerapnj]

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> >
> > Glenn,
> > You're absolutely right!  Why doesn't the hypocrisy of it all, 
NOT
> > surprise me?  At the 110th Anniversary, thing, the Carousel was 
used
> > for the cake, but still, no carousel in the city, except in our 
minds,
> 
> 
> I'll go out on a limb here - the STUPIDEST thing MM can do is to 
NOT put the (a) carousel 
> back in the Casino.
>
==

Stupid is, as stupid does...

The track record for common sense and visionary thinking in this 
redevelopment speaks for itself.

Werner





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

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> Glenn,
> You're absolutely right!  Why doesn't the hypocrisy of it all, NOT
> surprise me?  At the 110th Anniversary, thing, the Carousel was used
> for the cake, but still, no carousel in the city, except in our minds,


I'll go out on a limb here - the STUPIDEST thing MM can do is to NOT put the 
(a) carousel 
back in the Casino. 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

>The sounds of summer and the
isolation in winter, when you had the BW to yourself!


The problem was not just the isolation in the winter, but the isolation in the 
summer.

And don't forget, bringing events back to CH year round - like the old days. 
The off 
months were ceramic shows, boat shows and more. Ceramic shows were the almost 
the 
best weekends of the year and that was around Feb - march if i can think back 
that far. It 
wasn't kids or 30's somethings. It was busloads and busloads of seniors getting 
off at CH 
or Michael's and eating.

What creates memories is a starting point with a family To assume that a 
childless couple 
will be buying a condo is simply wrong and could be what didn't exactly help 
anyone's 
condo sale s in AP. Example - an empty nester coouple from Morriss Plains - 
retired. 
Grandkids. House in Florida, Morris Plains, kids in PA and Virginia. They want 
to summer 
in AP most of the time, keep house in Morris Plains and head to Fl in October. 
They have 
$1m to spend. Why were they turned off?
A) they were trying to accomoodate their lifestyle (grandchildren, kids..)
B) unable to select a unit or had limited choice -take it or leave it
C) unsure of what the grandkids would do (pool was a real plus)
d) time frame for development

One of these days there's going to be a huge outlet center off 66 and the 
parkway. You 
have a few new motels that sprung up from the collingswood circle to 66. You 
hvae a few 
more that want space. Seaview Sq is continuing to grow. Burlingtong going in 
plus a few 
more not named, Value City out. Burlington taking part of the old lowe's.. 

I would guess MM has a good idea fo what THEY think will work and how they will 
make it 
pay off. IF there is one smart old time operator on the BW, they will be able 
to take 
advantage, keep to tradition and do very, very well,

There's a way to make it kid friendly were it doesn't turn out like seaside nor 
as kid 
friendly as Point.

Grandma grandma grandma  take me to thelet's see what MM comes up with,

PS: My son makes a good martini







 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[sharon_b283]

You took the words, right out of my mouth!  These 34 to 40 somethings,
don't want anything, but "singles" stuff and their little martini bars
and beach houses!  I came to the boardwalk, to have a kosher hot dog
and REAL lemonade!  The fresh air and the funny looking fat/skinny and
buffed boys and girls, taking the surf!  The sounds of summer and the
isolation in winter, when you had the BW to yourself!  Would see dogs
being walked, a lone runner or goofy me, walking the boards.  Now, you
have to contend with those who think they "knowitall" about US!  For
those who remember miniature golf and the cutesy rides for kids, go to
seaside Hts., there's nothing here for YOU!  Chuck, it would please me
so much to see just one iota, one thing; a carousel!  Is that too much
to ask for?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Denise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> I have the feeling MM is not planning to cater to a boardwalk filled
> with children.  When they first showed their plans in City Council there
> was nothing for children except a candy store with walls of candy. They
> did not mention the water park that was proposed in the app.  MM in my
> opinion is gearing the boardwalk to the people they will need to fill
> the Condos that will be built on Ocean Ave.  The Condos being built are
> for couples with no children.
> 
> I can remember the days when I was young and living in South Belmar how
> we came to Asbury Park on special occasions ie Easter, Children's Day
> for the amusement rides.  Is there still such a thing as children's day.
> MM is not interested in history.  If Ap could survive on history there
> would be no need to do anything to the buildings on the BW except some
> paint.  The Boardwalk that we knew is HISTORY.  In someways I agree that
> we need to move on to bigger and better things, but MM cannot forget the
> families in AP because some of us are here for life.
> 
> 




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[sharon_b283]

Glenn,
You're absolutely right!  Why doesn't the hypocrisy of it all, NOT
surprise me?  At the 110th Anniversary, thing, the Carousel was used
for the cake, but still, no carousel in the city, except in our minds,
which I lost a long time ago!  My mind, that is!  Well, the snow is
falling and AP schools are open, as usual!  Seems they'd give these
kids ONE snow day, since they haven't had any all year!  As far as the
Chamber, it's just a popularity contest, as far as I'm concerned. 
Name me one member, no 2, that live here!  A lot of what goes on here,
is just so "window dressing"!  Too many restaurants, with no real
business, here.  Well, at least Tommy is consistent, with being a
Republican; seems he owns an oil business, here!  Read it in the
paper.  Weldon's pensions suspended.  Have mixed feelings over that. 
His firemen's pension, shouldn't have been involved.  Seems he earned
that.  He still has his family.  Sorry folks, they shouldn't have to
pay for his mistakes.  Alright, I've donned my flame-retardant, suit.
 Flame, away!


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Uhm, CAROUSEL Awards?  Hve any of these people noticed that there is 
> not ONE Carousel left?
> 
> Just my two cents.
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
> >
> > Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards  Winners
> >  
> > _The Coaster » Blog  Archive » Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel 
> Awards 
> > Winners_ (http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/?p=2178)  
> >  
> > Thursday, February 21, 2008, 1:33 pm
> >  
> > Madison Marquette, who has taken the lead in the retail and 
> entertainment  
> > segment of Asbury Park’s beachfront redevelopment, will be 
> honored with the  
> > Economic Development Award by the Asbury Park Chamber of Commerce 
> at the  
> > Carousel Awards Dinner April 10.  




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>Maybe Monmouth doesn't do well enough to spend on such an attraction.  
> One that 
may not give back much.
> 

Guess who owned a piece of M Mall along with Vornado REalty trust - one of the 
largest in 
the world - Kushner. I believe it was recently sold - the mall. I believe of 
the brooklyn/deal 
boys. 

I have to learn that when someone says "I'm looking for something big...like 
Monmouth Mall"  
to believe them. Even if it's a kid. A kid who as sent out to learn the ropes. 








 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[charlie]

 These are just thoughts, i have no idea if they're true.  Maybe the 
freehold mall has their double decker carousel becasue they can afford it?  
Does the Freehold Mall bring in a large profit? From the area, and the 
percentage of high end stores, i'm guesing yes.  It may have been an 
attraction, something done becasue they could afford to do it.  Weather it 
makes money or it doesn't, it brings in people.  But that could only have been 
done becasue the mall in general brings in enough "extra" money.
   Maybe Monmouth doesn't do well enough to spend on such an attraction.  
One that may not give back much.

   
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[charlie]

"I have the feeling MM is not planning to cater to a boardwalk filled with 
children.  When they first showed their plans in City Council there was nothing 
for children except a candy store with walls of candy. They did not mention the 
water park that was proposed in the app.  MM in my opinion is gearing the 
boardwalk to the people they will need to fill the Condos that will be built on 
Ocean Ave.  The Condos being built are for couples with no children."
   
   Exactly.  I wish it were different.  Do you really picture a boardwalk 
filled teens and screaming kids, while there are million dollar condos only 
feet away on the other side of Ocean ave?  I highly doubt it.  But again, we 
will have to wait and see what happens.  
   As the post up top mentions, MM didn't mention anything about a water 
park really.  They said they had ideas for it, but i'm guessing it's nothing 
major or else they would have had it ready.  Maybe it wasn't mentioned beasue 
it's not part of the summer 08'?

   
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[charlie]

"You need a reason, other then for a sit down $30 pp affair. Not that people 
won't come for 
that buttake a look at a carnival trailer midway with cotton candy, popcorn 
and soda. Bring 
me the $. That and a ride like a carousel next to it."
   
   I see your point about the Freehold Mall... But i guess Monmouth Mall 
didn't see as a draw or people, otherwise why would have wente through and 
built it.  They've had quite a few years between now and when the boardwalk 
additions were added on.  Ah, who knows!
   Carnival rides, cotton candy, and others are good attractions.  However, 
it's kind of obvious that isn't the image the boardwalk is going for.  Like it 
or hate it, that appears to be what's going on!

   
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[Jack Pitzer]

Never was a waste, and it definitely wouldn't be.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie  wrote:
> >It was designed for it... but i think time showed it would be a waste to add 
> >it.  
> > 
> 
> 
> It's not a waste. It's an attraction. Go to freehold mall. food court, ride 
> and guess what - 
lots 
> of bored surburban parents bringing their kids, riding the carousel, taking 
> pics and 
enjoying 
> that few minutes of quality time on the ride then the food court.
> 
> You want people to come down even in bad weather? 
> 
> You need a reason, other then for a sit down $30 pp affair. Not that people 
> won't come 
for 
> that buttake a look at a carnival trailer midway with cotton candy, 
> popcorn and soda. 
Bring 
> me the $. That and a ride like a carousel next to it.
>





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[Denise]

I have the feeling MM is not planning to cater to a boardwalk filled
with children.  When they first showed their plans in City Council there
was nothing for children except a candy store with walls of candy. They
did not mention the water park that was proposed in the app.  MM in my
opinion is gearing the boardwalk to the people they will need to fill
the Condos that will be built on Ocean Ave.  The Condos being built are
for couples with no children.

I can remember the days when I was young and living in South Belmar how
we came to Asbury Park on special occasions ie Easter, Children's Day
for the amusement rides.  Is there still such a thing as children's day.
MM is not interested in history.  If Ap could survive on history there
would be no need to do anything to the buildings on the BW except some
paint.  The Boardwalk that we knew is HISTORY.  In someways I agree that
we need to move on to bigger and better things, but MM cannot forget the
families in AP because some of us are here for life.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I'd like to see a carousel in the Corousel House again, but i don't
think its possable at this point. Look at the direction the boardwalk is
going in I don't think it would fit in with the stuff planned for
the boardwalk. Times can change though, who knows! I doubt it though...
> I was sitting behind members of MM at a previous counsil meeting. A
frequent towns person wondered over and began asking questions about
amusments and other boardwalk attractions (like the water park he had
heard of as being part of MM's plan). Their answer to his questions was
no..
>
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was designed for it... but i think time showed it would be a waste to add 
>it.  
> 


It's not a waste. It's an attraction. Go to freehold mall. food court, ride and 
guess what - lots 
of bored surburban parents bringing their kids, riding the carousel, taking 
pics and enjoying 
that few minutes of quality time on the ride then the food court.

You want people to come down even in bad weather? 

You need a reason, other then for a sit down $30 pp affair. Not that people 
won't come for 
that buttake a look at a carnival trailer midway with cotton candy, popcorn 
and soda. Bring 
me the $. That and a ride like a carousel next to it.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[charlie]

 I'd like to see a carousel in the Corousel House again, but i don't think 
its possable at this point.  Look at the direction the boardwalk is going 
in I don't think it would fit in with the stuff planned for the boardwalk.  
Times can change though, who knows!  I doubt it though...
   I was sitting behind members of MM at a previous counsil meeting.  A 
frequent towns person wondered over and began asking questions about amusments 
and other boardwalk attractions (like the water park he had heard of as being 
part of MM's plan).  Their answer to his questions was no..

   
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[charlie]

"I predict that the Casino Carousel House will be turned into a food 
court...a replica (wink,wink) of the one at Monmouth Mall.

(Hey isn't that one supposed to be an interpretation of the 'Real' 
Casino Carousel House right here in AP ???)"
   
  I think the boardwalk idea at Monmouth mall was based off of AP.  There 
intended to be a carousel in the center food court area.  accross from what is 
now Old Navy?  You can see the round shape on the floor, and the circular 
support system above it.  It was designed for it... but i think time showed it 
would be a waste to add it.  

   
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Uhm, CAROUSEL Awards?  Hve any of these people noticed that there is 
> not ONE Carousel left?
> 
> Just my two cents.
==

Actually - there are no Carousels left just a Carousel House.

There were at one time 3 Carousels around Wesley Lake; 1 in OG and 2 
in AP.

I predict that the Casino Carousel House will be turned into a food 
court...a replica (wink,wink) of the one at Monmouth Mall.

(Hey isn't that one supposed to be an interpretation of the 'Real' 
Casino Carousel House right here in AP ???)

Round and Round we go..

Werner



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[dapawprint]

Uhm, CAROUSEL Awards?  Hve any of these people noticed that there is 
not ONE Carousel left?

Just my two cents.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards  Winners
>  
> _The Coaster » Blog  Archive » Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel 
Awards 
> Winners_ (http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/?p=2178)  
>  
> Thursday, February 21, 2008, 1:33 pm
>  
> Madison Marquette, who has taken the lead in the retail and 
entertainment  
> segment of Asbury Park’s beachfront redevelopment, will be 
honored with the  
> Economic Development Award by the Asbury Park Chamber of Commerce 
at the  
> Carousel Awards Dinner April 10.  
> The dinner will be held at the Berkeley Hotel in Asbury Park.
> The Chamber of Commerce presents the Carousel Awards to businesses 
and  
> individuals in Asbury Park in recognition of their exceptional 
contributions to  
> the community. 
> Madison Marquette was nominated for their commitment to 
revitalizing Asbury  
> Park’s economy as well as their commitment to the community. 
According to one  
> nominator, “It is my sense that Madison Marquette is here for the 
‘long haul’
>   and will provide opportunities for economic development into the 
future.” 
> The Business Achievement Award goes to Market in the Middle Owner 
Marilyn  
> Schlossbach, a “successful businesswoman (who) combines food and 
wine with art,  
> culture, civic and charitable function,” according to one 
nominator. “Market 
> In  the Middle is a business that raises the bar and sets a higher 
standard 
> for all  the businesses in Asbury Park.” 
> The Spirit of Asbury Award honoree is Father David Stout of Trinity 
Church.  
> Father Stout was cited for the unprecedented growth of his 
congregation since  
> his arrival in Asbury in 2004 and the many outreach programs he has 
been  
> instrumental in developing. 
> The Landmark Business Award is presented to The Hardware Store of 
Asbury  
> Park. Located on the corner of Main and Summerfield for the past 20 
years and  
> owned and managed by Sam Vaccaro and his family, the store was 
cited for its  
> rare ability to thrive and prosper in spite of the competition from 
the “big  box
> ” stores. 
> The Public Official Award this year goes to Asbury Park Mayor Kevin 
Sanders.  
> Mayor Sanders’ passion for Asbury Park, the place where he grew 
up and now 
> lives  with his wife and five children, is apparent. He has been 
instrumental in 
>  leading Asbury’s economic and civic rebirth. 
> The Carousel Awards will be presented at a dinner to be held on 
Thurs., April 
>  10 at the Berkeley Hotel in Asbury Park. 
> 
> 
> 
> **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL 
Living.  
> (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-
campos-duffy/
> 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards

[dapawprint]

Uhm, CAROUSEL Awards?  Hve any of these people noticed that there is 
not ONE Carousel left?

Just my two cents.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel Awards  Winners
>  
> _The Coaster » Blog  Archive » Asbury Park Chamber Names Carousel 
Awards 
> Winners_ (http://thecoaster.net/wordpress/?p=2178)  
>  
> Thursday, February 21, 2008, 1:33 pm
>  
> Madison Marquette, who has taken the lead in the retail and 
entertainment  
> segment of Asbury Park’s beachfront redevelopment, will be 
honored with the  
> Economic Development Award by the Asbury Park Chamber of Commerce 
at the  
> Carousel Awards Dinner April 10.  
> The dinner will be held at the Berkeley Hotel in Asbury Park.
> The Chamber of Commerce presents the Carousel Awards to businesses 
and  
> individuals in Asbury Park in recognition of their exceptional 
contributions to  
> the community. 
> Madison Marquette was nominated for their commitment to 
revitalizing Asbury  
> Park’s economy as well as their commitment to the community. 
According to one  
> nominator, “It is my sense that Madison Marquette is here for the 
‘long haul’
>   and will provide opportunities for economic development into the 
future.” 
> The Business Achievement Award goes to Market in the Middle Owner 
Marilyn  
> Schlossbach, a “successful businesswoman (who) combines food and 
wine with art,  
> culture, civic and charitable function,” according to one 
nominator. “Market 
> In  the Middle is a business that raises the bar and sets a higher 
standard 
> for all  the businesses in Asbury Park.” 
> The Spirit of Asbury Award honoree is Father David Stout of Trinity 
Church.  
> Father Stout was cited for the unprecedented growth of his 
congregation since  
> his arrival in Asbury in 2004 and the many outreach programs he has 
been  
> instrumental in developing. 
> The Landmark Business Award is presented to The Hardware Store of 
Asbury  
> Park. Located on the corner of Main and Summerfield for the past 20 
years and  
> owned and managed by Sam Vaccaro and his family, the store was 
cited for its  
> rare ability to thrive and prosper in spite of the competition from 
the “big  box
> ” stores. 
> The Public Official Award this year goes to Asbury Park Mayor Kevin 
Sanders.  
> Mayor Sanders’ passion for Asbury Park, the place where he grew 
up and now 
> lives  with his wife and five children, is apparent. He has been 
instrumental in 
>  leading Asbury’s economic and civic rebirth. 
> The Carousel Awards will be presented at a dinner to be held on 
Thurs., April 
>  10 at the Berkeley Hotel in Asbury Park. 
> 
> 
> 
> **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL 
Living.  
> (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-
campos-duffy/
> 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
>




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park preservationists trying to form commission

[oakdorf]

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> Why not demolotion the Metropolitan and build something identical but 
> new in its likeness.  A Metropolitan style hotel with up to date 
> ammenities might do very well.  

Considering that the building always had a for sale sign on it but was 
never sold again and NOTHING was ever done to save it AND the city 
declared it a disaster (after all these years)AND it does NOTHING 
for the TAX base...

Start Over. 

Build something that repsects the park and the immediate area. - It 
will have undergound parking, ocean or lake views and park views. 
There's a real popular park (or 2) in NYC where people pay a ton to 
live across from.  Collect taxes vs doodling.

DING.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park preservationists trying to form commission

[dsher4]

Why not demolotion the Metropolitan and build something identical but 
new in its likeness.  A Metropolitan style hotel with up to date 
ammenities might do very well.  My guess is the Charms is more worth 
saving structurally.

I know that isn't ideal to the preservationists but it is a happy 
medium.  It also takes into account that this stuff doesn't take place 
in a vacuum, it requires money.  

NOticeably absent from any of these discussions on saving buildings is 
an accurate assessment of the cost to restore and what the payback 
would be.  I know payback isn't important for some but it matters for 
anyone who is going to put one nickel into a project.  

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