[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > When someone says this person wins and this person loses, it's not a light > statement to make. Also, Sharon was pretty serious about what she was saying, > and to make light of it seems totally inappropriate. Tommy is always "dismissive", of those he disagrees with and when he's serious, he invokes statements, that are either NOT enforceable, or ILLEGAL! I thank you, for speaking on my behalf and that I DO know, that the majority of the posters, here, are FOR the redevelopment of Asbury Park, that ALL citizens, get to sit at the table and be heard and that common decency and respect for each other, are what, WE are all about. We can agree to disagree, on many aspects of life, here and I consider you and others like you, decent, human beings. THANKS! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" wrote: > > > > I just love, when you DESK WARRIORS, walk in LOCK-STEP, like the > > Nazis did... > > > Stop the argument! I'm invoking Godwin's Law! Sharon loses and RevKev > is declared the winner to the debate! > > See Godwin's Law definition here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law Like you, when you can't invoke your ideology here, you try to invoke some legalese, that you think others are not, adhering to. I didn't call the individual a Nazi, I said, "LIKE the Nazis', did". It is not your right, it is your duty, to question the government! Is it not, ALL of us who pay taxes? I know, that, if I don't file taxes, I can be penalized, even though, I may not owe the government anything. Argument? There IS no argument and be careful, in trying to silence my constitutional right, to SPEAK OUT! My people, have been here, for over 450 years! When did yours, arrive? Debate? What debate? Who are YOU to label, what IS, or ISN't a debate? There are 2 lawyers, in my family and one, is the Chief Judge, of a County, in New Jersey, which shall remain, nameless and He doesn't share my last name, else you, would be investigating, THAT! So, YOU, had better be careful, because I can lodge a complaint with the Lawyers' assn., against YOU! I already have, against a lawyer, who misrepresented me, some years ago, when Alexander Lehrer, was the head of the Association. So, don't make veiled threats, to me! > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
When someone says this person wins and this person loses, it's not a light statement to make. Also, Sharon was pretty serious about what she was saying, and to make light of it seems totally inappropriate. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
The use of Godwin is supposed to lighten things up. It's a funny. I didn't realize we were required to kick eachothers rear-ends in here without taking a break from that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Listen RevKev & JustifyRight, > > Invoking this ridiculous law is like a child humming and sticking his > fingers in his ears. > > People have the right to say what they want, and it is not a contest, as you > always seem to make it into. Sharon was just trying to make a point, much as > you were by spewing your right wing trash all over this message board which > is supposed to be about Asbury Park. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
In reference to Tommy misuse of Godwin: Stop the argument! I'm invoking Godwin's Law! Sharon loses and RevKev is declared the winner to the debate! Any member of this group can access last year's discussion about this when Tommy tried to use it then. He was wrong then and is still wrong about Godwin's law. Do an advanced search of this group's messages. Type in only "Godwin's" in the subject box, and you will get 14 hits. Here is an excerpt from one of my posts ( # 11423): Actually, I know a lot about Godwin ( http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if_pr.html ), and his perspectives are quite liberal. If you're going to invoke that "law," you'll need to learn how to apply it: Sparingly ( http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ ). Here is an excerpt from the second link above: One of the most famous pieces of Usenet trivia out there is "if you mention Hitler or Nazis in a post, you've automatically ended whatever discussion you were taking part in". Known as Godwin's Law, this rule of Usenet has along and sordid history on the network - and is absolutely wrong. This FAQ is an attempt to set straight as much of the history and meaning of Godwin's Law as possible, and hopefully encourage users to invoke it a bit more sparingly. Interestingly, Tommy uses Wikipedia when it serves his purposes. When it doesn't, he accuses it of being too liberal. Note also, Tommy is fond of calling people commies, pinkos, and traitors. Hamlet was right: " For 'tis the sport to have the engineer Hoist with his own petard; ( http://tinyurl.com/yxmoop ) Tikkum Olam __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
Listen RevKev & JustifyRight, Invoking this ridiculous law is like a child humming and sticking his fingers in his ears. People have the right to say what they want, and it is not a contest, as you always seem to make it into. Sharon was just trying to make a point, much as you were by spewing your right wing trash all over this message board which is supposed to be about Asbury Park. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just love, when you DESK WARRIORS, walk in LOCK-STEP, like the > Nazis did... Stop the argument! I'm invoking Godwin's Law! Sharon loses and RevKev is declared the winner to the debate! See Godwin's Law definition here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
Thank you all for hanging this nut out to dry. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In reference to jerseykev's comments: > I am getting tired of the democrats blaming President Bush for the war on > terror. What about the fringe repubs still blaming Clinton, after six years, for everything that goes wrong? What ever happened to "the buck stops here"? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to hear them blame the Clintons or the Democrats for the record snowfall in New York this weekend. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.be for one. Mario > Subj: [AsburyPark] Blaming Bush For The War... Date: 10/14/2006 6:42:30 A.M. > Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) So Kevin: Not that what you posted, has ANYTHING to do with this group, why don't you go down to Bradley Beach, put your John Hancock, on a sign- up sheet, and get your sorry A**, over to Iraq and lay your butt, on the line? I just love, when you DESK WARRIORS, walk in LOCK-STEP, like the Nazis did, back in 1933 and use RELIGION, as a shield! Bush did say, this was a Crusade, didn't he? Only thing, Europe, was a Catholic Continent, back in the Middle Ages, when this all occurred! You're BORN AGAIN, aren't you? Using the Mission, to hide your REAL agenda, like Falwell and the other so-called Christians! Don't you read the papers? Bush, hates all of you "born again", nuts! Used you, to win elections! Aren't you the one, who ran down to New Orleans, another CATHOLIC City, to see what YOU could get? You're an OPPORTUNIST, if I ever saw one and a HYPOCRITE! You use this forum, to get people from Asbury Park, for YOUR agenda! Eminent Domain, THAT's your line, isn't it? I heard that the Long Branch City Council, has problems with you and how you are in a building, NOT zoned, for religious purposes! Read it, in the AP Press! "Support the troops includes the Commander in Chief!" More, like "COMMANDER-IN-THIEF", when you FIX, elections! Not once, but twice! Not, when you purge voter rolls, fix voting machines and stop a recount! It doesn't hurt, if your BROTHER, is the Governor, either, or if you DON'T win, the popular vote! In 2004, he got his pals from DIEBOLD, to RIG, electronic voting machines, had Black voters, waiting for hours, in a pouring rain, then on Inaugural Day, have GARBAGE, thrown at you! First time I've seen, ANY President, NOT able to walk down Pennsylvania Ave. Says something, about DICTATORSHIPS, huh? Wonder why the price of gas, is SUDDENLY, falling? Is their an election, soon? So you APPROVE, of the SEXUAL molestation, of the PAGES, huh? You doing that, too? You approve of the Abramoff, DeLay, Enron, Halliburton, NEY, "secret oil meetings", NSA ILLEGAL Spying, the 9 BILLION MISSING in Iraq, telephone eavesdropping, PRIVATE SECURITY, for the RED CROSS, the BUNGLING and DEATH, during the handling of KATRINA and the senseless loss of life, of a WHOLE REGION, of the country, don't you? You should, BE ALL YOU CAN BE! Go Join Bush's War! Be a Patriot! Make LIARS, out of ALL of US! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
It's all about the oil, and they will torture, lie, and kill to get it. How you can support the terrorism being committed by your own government is beyond me. But just watch as your life gets worse and worse, and your liberties get eaten away at little by little. You have obviously bought into the state of fear that the Bush administration count on you to be sucked into in order to win your loyalty. Hitler did this, too. You may not be a Democrat or a Republican, but you are certainly his fool. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
Hello
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
In reference to your comment:
I read all the responses and I still
have not seen a plan of action that should have been implemented back in 2001,
that would have done the job better.
Apparently you're not looking hard enough. Other plans of action
which could have taken effect can be found easily if you take off the
blinders: newspapers, books, other electronic and print media,
cyberspace
Here is one: Stay, commit fully, and complete the job in
Afghanistan, where Osama and the Taliban were, instead of diverting troops to
Iraq for a war that was a pre 9/11 neo-con notion.
Your paragraph beginning with "As for the Jesus remark" is
gobbledegook, but it is a clever touch to start with Jesus.
How about this then: "It helps to remember that God suffers [bears]
violence. God does not sponsor violence." The quote is Googlable.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
Date:
10/15/2006 1:51:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
From:
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To:
AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
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As for the Jesus remark, remember his most difficult statement; "The
Kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force." I have
no definitive expose to offer on this obvious fact of "Kingdom" Life. When
one talks about democracy and attempts to use illustrations from the principles
associated with the "Kingdom of God"; one must remember God's realm is not a
democracy. It is a Theocracy.
I appreciate every ones responses, however I did not see a counter action
to the events of September 11, 2001.
Least we forget we were attacked. As for the remark; "Iraq did
nothing to us." Well, I beg to differ. We may have not found WMD
when we had the opportunity to check em out. The sophisticated security
forces of Iraq under Saddam were experts in the job of making sure the world
never knew what "Sadam's Kingdom" was about to do.
More importantly they had tons of CASH, and other global currency assets,
all of which could be converted to WMD and terrorist financing. To think
Iraq under the leadership of Saddam was a wholesome and loving - benevolent
global society is a mistake.
I am neither democrat or republican. I am not a man who fully
supports the actions of the President. I myself would of handled it
differently, being a Native New Yorker transplanted on the Jersey Shore by
election of vocation and the call of God on my personal life and ministry.
None of you would have agreed with my plan. It would have been swift and
conclusive and Usama Bin Laden would have been dead within days. Nor would
I have been re-elected, but I wouldn't have cared about the politics associated
with the counter measure I would have employed.
For those of you, you think believers should be non violent, I offer you
this. The actual act of condemnation to an eternity in hell, is as violent
as one can get. The creeds and doctrines of men are not what I am
referring too, what I am thinking about here in this thought is the balance of
good and evil and the fruit of both actions.
I read all the responses and I still have not seen a plan of action that
should have been implemented back in 2001, that would have done the job
better. I am not one for pulling out without a completed mission.
Only because, we did that too many times in the past. We averted long and
costly wars in the last 50 years with just that, a quick exit post a change in
Presidency brought us to the "Twin Towers" attack!
The job needs to be done, these hard core terrorists will continue to defy
the global peace until they are either converted to peaceful coexistence or put
down for good.
Post World War 2, I think we decided never to let another Nazi movement
grow to the extent Adolf Hitler's regime got to with concentration camps and the
annihilation of 6,000,000 - 8,000,000 Jews. Preventing another event like
that is costly, to say the least. However, commendable and just.
When we look to blame someone for what is going on in the War on Terror, we
should be blaming the terrorists, not our elected officials. Bush never
promised a particular method to the handling of such an atrocity like four
commercial air liners into American buildings killing largely innocent
civilians. If intelligence sources failed those who depend of it for
decisions made post 9/11 remember Bush was in office nine months while Clinton
was in office 8 years prior to the event. It took three to four years to
plan and train for this terror mission.
REV. KEVIN
BROWN
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[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
As for the Jesus remark, remember his most difficult statement; "The Kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force." I have no definitive expose to offer on this obvious fact of "Kingdom" Life. When one talks about democracy and attempts to use illustrations from the principles associated with the "Kingdom of God"; one must remember God's realm is not a democracy. It is a Theocracy. I appreciate every ones responses, however I did not see a counter action to the events of September 11, 2001. Least we forget we were attacked. As for the remark; "Iraq did nothing to us." Well, I beg to differ. We may have not found WMD when we had the opportunity to check em out. The sophisticated security forces of Iraq under Saddam were experts in the job of making sure the world never knew what "Sadam's Kingdom" was about to do. More importantly they had tons of CASH, and other global currency assets, all of which could be converted to WMD and terrorist financing. To think Iraq under the leadership of Saddam was a wholesome and loving - benevolent global society is a mistake. I am neither democrat or republican. I am not a man who fully supports the actions of the President. I myself would of handled it differently, being a Native New Yorker transplanted on the Jersey Shore by election of vocation and the call of God on my personal life and ministry. None of you would have agreed with my plan. It would have been swift and conclusive and Usama Bin Laden would have been dead within days. Nor would I have been re-elected, but I wouldn't have cared about the politics associated with the counter measure I would have employed. For those of you, you think believers should be non violent, I offer you this. The actual act of condemnation to an eternity in hell, is as violent as one can get. The creeds and doctrines of men are not what I am referring too, what I am thinking about here in this thought is the balance of good and evil and the fruit of both actions. I read all the responses and I still have not seen a plan of action that should have been implemented back in 2001, that would have done the job better. I am not one for pulling out without a completed mission. Only because, we did that too many times in the past. We averted long and costly wars in the last 50 years with just that, a quick exit post a change in Presidency brought us to the "Twin Towers" attack! The job needs to be done, these hard core terrorists will continue to defy the global peace until they are either converted to peaceful coexistence or put down for good. Post World War 2, I think we decided never to let another Nazi movement grow to the extent Adolf Hitler's regime got to with concentration camps and the annihilation of 6,000,000 - 8,000,000 Jews. Preventing another event like that is costly, to say the least. However, commendable and just. When we look to blame someone for what is going on in the War on Terror, we should be blaming the terrorists, not our elected officials. Bush never promised a particular method to the handling of such an atrocity like four commercial air liners into American buildings killing largely innocent civilians. If intelligence sources failed those who depend of it for decisions made post 9/11 remember Bush was in office nine months while Clinton was in office 8 years prior to the event. It took three to four years to plan and train for this terror mission. REV. KEVIN BROWN __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I am getting tired of the democrats blaming President Bush for the war on > terror. Quite frankly only a fool thinks a President declares war. It was an > act of Congress! There's plenty of blame to go around. Bush and crew have done more damage to this country than any president in years. He and his neocons are madmen. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
So it was Congress who lied to Bush about the clarity of weapons of mass destruction??? I must have been reading the paper upside down that day. Faith in our leadership is important, particularly during a time of war. Blind faith gets people killed. Nobody asked the tough questions back in 2002 and 2003 - not democrats, not the press and certainly not republicans - too afraid of being painted as disloyal and weak. As a result thousands of Americans have died along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's. Bush's father knew better, not just about the impact taking out Saddam would have on Iraq stability but also the impact of the mideast as a whole. That's why while George W. was making the case for war George H.W. was losing sleep over it, and why the people who had actually served in the military in the Bush adminstration like Powell were the ones who recognized this was a mistake. The best plan for combatting terror would have been to actually focus on terrorists. But we are where we are, and we need an exit strategy that actually provides a chance for Iraq to survive on their own while getting us out - as we've become part of the problem not part of the solution. Kevin, pick up Bob Woodward's new book. Or perhaps Cobra II. Or any of the twenty or so other books that have explored this issue and the adminstrations handling of both the case and conduct of the war. Before you write Woodward off as a biased political hack (which is typically the way anyone who is critical of the administration is treated) keep in mind that his two previous books were positive representations of the adminstration. So he's clearly not working an agenda - he's stating the truth. Finally, I'm not really sure why we are discussing this on the Asbury board but I couldn't resist. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I am getting tired of the democrats blaming President Bush for the war on > terror. Quite frankly only a fool thinks a President declares war. It was an > act of Congress! War is a dirty business, and no one should be for one. To > blame a man who had the political courage to do an unpopular thing in an area > of the world that has caused more HORROR on our planet than Freddie Kruger > was a bold step. > > If someone out there has a better plan to arrest terror and subdue it's > effect on our homeland I would like to hear it. Other wise get on board so our > men and women in harms way are not mistreated by the enemy and the country. > > Support the troops includes the Commander in Chief! > > REV. KEVIN BROWN > _WWW.LIGHTHOUSEMISSION.COM_ (http://www.LIGHTHOUSEMISSION.COM) > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
