[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You need people to volunteer - and a big enough base. That concept > was floated in AP over the years. > > YOu gonna throw out a union? In AP? > > Doubt out. Oak, you are right about that. A number of years back there was a police officer who tried to start an auxillary volunteer fire department. I knew him and his family very well. He got crucified. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
>> Of course, what do I know? I'm probably the only person in the >> world who thinks Asbury Park needs new parking garages on main >> street. > > Really bad idea too. Development like that has killed many Main > Streets. Parking is better as part of new infill development off of > Main. Or, along the Memorial Drive corridor to serve expanding > commuter base at the transit center. > All I know is that I've seen many a business on Main Street struggle for one main reason - lack of parking for people near the business. That and a parking garage facility on Main Street would do wonders for people from outside the area feeling comfortable about where to park. In addition, one parking garage on one corner or in the middle of town would probably generate a ton of revenue. Ideally, I would have one on both ends of town, but I'm always looking for people from outside of the area. Asbury is definitely looking for people who can walk to the downtown area right now. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
Ocean has 3. Wanamassa with (2) houses - the original plus a nice new one they built - in the center of town, taking out ratables (houses). OAkhurst now has 2 - off west park ave (the original) and a new one off route 18 at Deal Road. To keep volenteers, we can offer reduced or free pool membership and other perks to help those guys that take the time. In general volunteers for the fire department are not those guys/women that have to pay on a 500-1m mortgage. My thoughts. But having grown up in Wanamassa/Ocean Twp - I can tell you the type that will vol. You need people to volunteer - and a big enough base. That concept was floated in AP over the years. YOu gonna throw out a union? In AP? Doubt out. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
"Geography 101; you can't put out the fire unless you can get to it. Belmar is larger (but 4?), Ocean certainly is and has 2, and I thinkTinton Falls, which is huge, has 3; it's a time/spaceproblem." ocean has 3 firehouses. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could be right. I wasn't suggesting moving the existing > buildings like City Hall (although that is a tremendous location > for a business hub - right > next to the train station... It would start a bidding war) LOL - There already is a "business hub" It's called "downtown". - LOL >... but perhaps > future buildings or replacements (like the firehouse) should be > built elsewhere. Actually a necessity, There is no good space left on Main Street. A New firehouse would have to be elswhere. Adaptive reuse of the existing one would preserve community continuity. > Of course, what do I know? I'm probably the only person in the > world who thinks Asbury Park needs new parking garages on main > street. Really bad idea too. Development like that has killed many Main Streets. Parking is better as part of new infill development off of Main. Or, along the Memorial Drive corridor to serve expanding commuter base at the transit center. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
Your point is well taken Werner, but you have to admit we have far over-done it with public buildings on Main Street. City Hall goes from Springwood to Bangs (3 Blocks). The Post Office takes up the block from Bangs to Summerfield. The Firehouse is on Main at Asbury Avenue. The Probation Dept. was up at Fifth. That's way too much. How great it would be if they razed City Hall's 3 blocks and put stores and a Parking Deck, with City Hall at the top of the Parking Deck. A Pedestrian Walkway over Main to Cookman. I can dream, can't I? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty wrote: > > > > On 2/27/06 4:56 PM, "bluebishop82" wrote: > > > > > I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those > > > Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. > > > > I agree. > > This is not good community based thinking. Public/Municipal buildings > are important centers of civic life and are most always located > on "Main Street". > > City Hall, Post Office, Court House, Fire House, etc. serve to make the > statment that they are different, the centers of government and in many > cases the identity of a community. > > The short view that Main Street should be nothing but ratables ignores > the entire evolution of Towns and Cities. Civic buildings help define > the persona of "Main Street USA". > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
>> > Maybe all those year-rounders that we're going to get will join our > volunteer fire dept. > Considering that Belmar is still a shell of its population in the off-season, I guess you don't need that many volunteers Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey we may have more volunteer fire departments than needed, but when the > crew comes less than 30 seconds after you place a 9-11 call... Well, you're > mighty thankful. > > Most Shore towns - as with Belmar and Asbury Park - had rather significant > fires in their history. I guess some towns wanted to make sure that didn't > happen again. Some went with a fire company on staff and others went with > several volunteer units. > > Since I've lived here we had one very big fire in town. A fire that > probably would have burned about 2-3 blocks to the ground if we didn't have > all of the available units. As it was, a good chunk of a block burned down. > > Sounds like the fire on Sunday was an amazingly difficult one to handle with > the wind. They did a good job. > Maybe all those year-rounders that we're going to get will join our volunteer fire dept. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
On 2/27/06 6:19 PM, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "How is it a town the size of Asbury Park would only have one, but a > town the size of Belmar has about 4?" > > Geography 101; you can't put out the fire unless you can get to it. > Belmar is larger (but 4?), Ocean certainly is and has 2, and I think > Tinton Falls, which is huge, has 3; it's a time/space problem. > Hey we may have more volunteer fire departments than needed, but when the crew comes less than 30 seconds after you place a 9-11 call... Well, you're mighty thankful. Most Shore towns - as with Belmar and Asbury Park - had rather significant fires in their history. I guess some towns wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. Some went with a fire company on staff and others went with several volunteer units. Since I've lived here we had one very big fire in town. A fire that probably would have burned about 2-3 blocks to the ground if we didn't have all of the available units. As it was, a good chunk of a block burned down. Sounds like the fire on Sunday was an amazingly difficult one to handle with the wind. They did a good job. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
>> I agree. > > This is not good community based thinking. Public/Municipal buildings > are important centers of civic life and are most always located > on "Main Street". > > City Hall, Post Office, Court House, Fire House, etc. serve to make the > statment that they are different, the centers of government and in many > cases the identity of a community. You could be right. I wasn't suggesting moving the existing buildings like City Hall (although that is a tremendous location for a business hub - right next to the train station... It would start a bidding war) but perhaps future buildings or replacements (like the firehouse) should be built elsewhere. Of course, what do I know? I'm probably the only person in the world who thinks Asbury Park needs new parking garages on main street. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
The JCPL building in Allenhurst is barely used and a major part of that town's redevelopment; I wonder how tough it would be to temporarily house the Fire Department there. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2/27/06 4:56 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those > > Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. > > I agree. This is not good community based thinking. Public/Municipal buildings are important centers of civic life and are most always located on "Main Street". City Hall, Post Office, Court House, Fire House, etc. serve to make the statment that they are different, the centers of government and in many cases the identity of a community. The short view that Main Street should be nothing but ratables ignores the entire evolution of Towns and Cities. Civic buildings help define the persona of "Main Street USA". Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
"How is it a town the size of Asbury Park would only have one, but a town the size of Belmar has about 4?" Geography 101; you can't put out the fire unless you can get to it. Belmar is larger (but 4?), Ocean certainly is and has 2, and I think Tinton Falls, which is huge, has 3; it's a time/space problem. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've never really thought about it, but is that the only fire department for > Asbury Park? I always thought it was the biggest one but not the only one. > > How is it a town the size of Asbury Park would only have one, but a town the > size of Belmar has about 4? Granted, they are all volunteer fire companies > but they sure saved my ass a few weeks ago. > Well I think you hit the nail on the head, they are volunteer. we have to think about that going forward. certainly as the new ratables appear (when) we can afford more fire protection, but now? Perhaps we ought to consider auxiliaries. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
On 2/27/06 4:56 PM, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those > Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. I agree. > I also always wondered about having two fire stations, on on each side > of the railroad, bcause God forbid if a fire truck ever had to wait for > the train. > > Springwood Avenue has plenty of room. I've never really thought about it, but is that the only fire department for Asbury Park? I always thought it was the biggest one but not the only one. How is it a town the size of Asbury Park would only have one, but a town the size of Belmar has about 4? Granted, they are all volunteer fire companies but they sure saved my ass a few weeks ago. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
> I wouldn't count on it. > I could of sowrn larry was seen driving down cookman with a hole in his tank): Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now may be a good time for AP Partners to come to the plate and show > us how committed they are to the city. I'm talking alot more than $ > 250,000. I wouldn't count on it. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
"The questions are what do we do in the meantime and where do you build the new one? The problem is we do not own much land. Clearly we need a temporary solution whether the current building is fixed or to build a new one." My god, leave you guys alone for an afternoon and all hell breaks loose32 messages. The city owns a lot of land on Springwood, a steel structure would be quick, cheap and ugly; who knows, if Larry ever finds some money, we could use it temporarily (paint it puke yellow) then sell it to him for his corporate offices. The quickest thing to do is probably bite the bullet and fix the fire hall; park the trucks on the street and temporarily lodge the firemen at Paradise or Berkeley; this too has its disadvantages but is a quick fix. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > Now may be a good time for AP Partners to come to the plate and show us how committed they are to the city. I'm talking alot more than $ 250,000. That land is City land along main street. The building in the rear > > (former probation) was for sale for $1.5m. They also own the > > prosecutors office across the Firehouse. And, an 18,000 sq ft > building > > and land at 3rd and Main ($1.7m). Who owns this, you ask. The > partners > > in Broadway Arts LLCthe Katz's. Eminent domain the 3rd ave > piece. > > Perfect piece, you can keep main st new with small retail and garages > > onto 3rd. > > > It is in the RA. You're right, take the $250K now, even though its 3 > years late. We'll build our own building later. The City should be able > to get a Homeland Security grant for the new firehouse. Certainly EDA > loans. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those > Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. > > I also always wondered about having two fire stations, on on each side > of the railroad, bcause God forbid if a fire truck ever had to wait for > the train. > > Springwood Avenue has plenty of room. > I have heard that before. Is it feasible to have two? My first reaction would be how long does it take for a train to pass, but I wouldn't want it to be my house on fire waiting for the train. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. I also always wondered about having two fire stations, on on each side of the railroad, bcause God forbid if a fire truck ever had to wait for the train. Springwood Avenue has plenty of room. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That land is City land along main street. The building in the rear > (former probation) was for sale for $1.5m. They also own the > prosecutors office across the Firehouse. And, an 18,000 sq ft building > and land at 3rd and Main ($1.7m). Who owns this, you ask. The partners > in Broadway Arts LLCthe Katz's. Eminent domain the 3rd ave piece. > Perfect piece, you can keep main st new with small retail and garages > onto 3rd. > It is in the RA. You're right, take the $250K now, even though its 3 years late. We'll build our own building later. The City should be able to get a Homeland Security grant for the new firehouse. Certainly EDA loans. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That land is City land along main street. The building in the rear > (former probation) was for sale for $1.5m. They also own the > prosecutors office across the Firehouse. And, an 18,000 sq ft building > and land at 3rd and Main ($1.7m). Who owns this, you ask. The partners > in Broadway Arts LLCthe Katz's. Eminent domain the 3rd ave piece. > Perfect piece, you can keep main st new with small retail and garages > onto 3rd. > but you need to pay when you condemn. are you saying the city owns the prosecutor's office or the Katzs? I have to look if the emrgency building is in the RA not just the WRP. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
That land is City land along main street. The building in the rear (former probation) was for sale for $1.5m. They also own the prosecutors office across the Firehouse. And, an 18,000 sq ft building and land at 3rd and Main ($1.7m). Who owns this, you ask. The partners in Broadway Arts LLCthe Katz's. Eminent domain the 3rd ave piece. Perfect piece, you can keep main st new with small retail and garages onto 3rd. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
>From the "Plan" circa 2002 3.11 Emergency Services Building The Parties will identify, within one year of the date hereof, a site of approximately five thousand (5000 sq. ft.) square feet for the possible future construction of an emergency services building. The site may include a portion of land currently part of the land upon which the sewerage treatment plant is located, if practical. Master Developer will contribute up to fifty ($50.00) dollars per square foot of construction costs not to exceed 5,000 square feet. Take the $250k now. Note, the "within one year" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maybe this is the kick in the butt we needed to get those guys a new > firehouse. > The questions are what do we do in the meantime and where do you build the new one? Perhaps the current site is not the best, I am uncertain, but I would assume that you would want 1) central location 2) easy access to main roads. The problem is we do not own much land. Clearly we need a temporary solution whether the current building is fixed or to build a new one. The Triangle seems a large enough spot for the trucks and trailers. Another location is of course the park at Sunset by the old train station. Is that city land? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
