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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I listened to the audio that was posted on line and its very > enlightening, a great service, thanks. Yes, Maureen, I heartily agree. Thanks for the great service you're providing. Now if we can only get more of the councilmen to use their microphones... Frank Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I listened to the audio that was posted on line and its very enlightening, a great service, thanks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > the principals of the Plan are regularly violated. > > Don't you mean "supplanted"? ;) > === Ah, You must have been at the Council meeting of 2 weeks ago or listened to Maureen's recording :-) DEF: (replace): dethrone, oust, replace, supersede, take over from Don Samett's explaination of why the 5th Ave Pav looks like it does. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > the principals of the Plan are regularly violated. > > Don't you mean "supplanted"? ;) > === Ah, You must have been at the Council meeting of 2 weeks ago or listened to Maureen's recording :-) DEF: (replace): dethrone, oust, replace, supersede, take over from Don Samett's explaination of why the 5th Ave Pav looks like it does. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > See, this is what I don't get. > On the one hand, all of us residents and fans of AP are excited that things look > better and > that people are coming to check it out. > But, short cuts are being made. Plans aren't being adhered to. > Take the bandshell for instance...it now has a huge AC unit right next to the > stage, and at > the back of the seating area there are heating or AC units. That's just plain > wrong. > But it keeps happening. Is MM going to claim that these things are just > temporary and will > be addressed later? If that's the case, how long does the boardwalk need to be a > work in > progress? > Now we have people cheerleading for MM and making excuses for things that they > are > doing wrong, just because it's better then it's been in years. > MM mostly does right in my opinion, but we shouldn't be so intoxicated by the right > that we > don't have the will to point out injustices and what's wrong. > === Jack, right on the money, echoing what I have been saying for years. The age of desperation has not ever really left Asbury Park and these are the results we get. The submission/approval/follow-up process continues to be dysfunctional. The 'developers', Asbury Partners and now MM, intimidate the City which has no will to say no, follow its own plans and act in the interests of the public. As it stands, the approval for 1st Ave is permanent, the 3rd Ave is temporary, with a request pending to make it permanent, and the 5th is permanent. (seems that details such as railings are currently temporary) Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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See, this is what I don't get. On the one hand, all of us residents and fans of AP are excited that things look better and that people are coming to check it out. But, short cuts are being made. Plans aren't being adhered to. Take the bandshell for instance...it now has a huge AC unit right next to the stage, and at the back of the seating area there are heating or AC units. That's just plain wrong. But it keeps happening. Is MM going to claim that these things are just temporary and will be addressed later? If that's the case, how long does the boardwalk need to be a work in progress? Now we have people cheerleading for MM and making excuses for things that they are doing wrong, just because it's better then it's been in years. MM mostly does right in my opinion, but we shouldn't be so intoxicated by the right that we don't have the will to point out injustices and what's wrong. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > Views are not protected unless there is an easement prohibiting the > > parcel from being developed above a certain height. For instance, I > > have lost all of the side windows in my offices because a new building > > is being developed next door. The question is whether MM acted within > > its rights. If it didn't then that is a separate issue. It is > > technically irrelevant that the Empress lost its views if MM acted > > legally. > > > === === > > Does the design of the building meet the specifications and intent of > the Redevelopment PLAN. No, it does not. > > In fact the application submitted for consideration did not show the > addition of air-handling equipment on the roof. It was intentionally > omitted (MM's testimony), they didn't think it mattered. > > The proposal was approved based upon an incomplete disclosure > (falsification?) of what the end product would look like and its > impact on surrounding properties. > > Comment from the Planning Board to MM was - 'what you built is not > what we approved'. > > Its a shame that things are so dysfunctional, The 3rd and 5th Vve > Pavilions also have intrusive equipment added, they also violate the > plan. But there is no one across the street to complain about it. > > Seems that taxpayers concerns from ON the street are brushed aside. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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See, this is what I don't get. On the one hand, all of us residents and fans of AP are excited that things look better and that people are coming to check it out. But, short cuts are being made. Plans aren't being adhered to. Take the bandshell for instance...it now has a huge AC unit right next to the stage, and at the back of the seating area there are heating or AC units. That's just plain wrong. But it keeps happening. Is MM going to claim that these things are just temporary and will be addressed later? If that's the case, how long does the boardwalk need to be a work in progress? Now we have people cheerleading for MM and making excuses for things that they are doing wrong, just because it's better then it's been in years. MM mostly does right in my opinion, but we should be so intoxicated by the right that we don't have the will to point out injustices and what's wrong. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > Views are not protected unless there is an easement prohibiting the > > parcel from being developed above a certain height. For instance, I > > have lost all of the side windows in my offices because a new building > > is being developed next door. The question is whether MM acted within > > its rights. If it didn't then that is a separate issue. It is > > technically irrelevant that the Empress lost its views if MM acted > > legally. > > > === === > > Does the design of the building meet the specifications and intent of > the Redevelopment PLAN. No, it does not. > > In fact the application submitted for consideration did not show the > addition of air-handling equipment on the roof. It was intentionally > omitted (MM's testimony), they didn't think it mattered. > > The proposal was approved based upon an incomplete disclosure > (falsification?) of what the end product would look like and its > impact on surrounding properties. > > Comment from the Planning Board to MM was - 'what you built is not > what we approved'. > > Its a shame that things are so dysfunctional, The 3rd and 5th Vve > Pavilions also have intrusive equipment added, they also violate the > plan. But there is no one across the street to complain about it. > > Seems that taxpayers concerns from ON the street are brushed aside. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Views are not protected unless there is an easement prohibiting the > parcel from being developed above a certain height. For instance, I > have lost all of the side windows in my offices because a new building > is being developed next door. The question is whether MM acted within > its rights. If it didn't then that is a separate issue. It is > technically irrelevant that the Empress lost its views if MM acted > legally. > == Does the design of the building meet the specifications and intent of the Redevelopment PLAN. No, it does not. In fact the application submitted for consideration did not show the addition of air-handling equipment on the roof. It was intentionally omitted (MM's testimony), they didn't think it mattered. The proposal was approved based upon an incomplete disclosure (falsification?) of what the end product would look like and its impact on surrounding properties. Comment from the Planning Board to MM was - 'what you built is not what we approved'. Its a shame that things are so dysfunctional, The 3rd and 5th Vve Pavilions also have intrusive equipment added, they also violate the plan. But there is no one across the street to complain about it. Seems that taxpayers concerns from ON the street are brushed aside. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Well, if it comes down to legal vs. principle and MM is acting within it's rights, then the Empress loses. But in principle, the Empress has been a viable and successful business contributing to AP long before MM came along. This if from the Empress's website; "Across the street from the Atlantic Ocean and adjacent to historic Ocean Grove, our hotel offers breathtaking views of the beach, Wesley Lake, and our oversized pool." Now, they are offering breathtaking views of air conditioners. I guess this is a case of big business winning out over the little guy. Sorry, but I hate that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote: > > > > That still doesn't make obscuring their view right. > > If you had a business that benefits from an ocean view, and somebody > else came along and > > blocked that view, wouldn't you be upset first and try to do > something about it? > > > > > Views are not protected unless there is an easement prohibiting the > parcel from being developed above a certain height. For instance, I > have lost all of the side windows in my offices because a new building > is being developed next door. The question is whether MM acted within > its rights. If it didn't then that is a separate issue. It is > technically irrelevant that the Empress lost its views if MM acted > legally. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That still doesn't make obscuring their view right. > If you had a business that benefits from an ocean view, and somebody else came along and > blocked that view, wouldn't you be upset first and try to do something about it? > Views are not protected unless there is an easement prohibiting the parcel from being developed above a certain height. For instance, I have lost all of the side windows in my offices because a new building is being developed next door. The question is whether MM acted within its rights. If it didn't then that is a separate issue. It is technically irrelevant that the Empress lost its views if MM acted legally. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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That still doesn't make obscuring their view right. If you had a business that benefits from an ocean view, and somebody else came along and blocked that view, wouldn't you be upset first and try to do something about it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" wrote: > > > >> Somebody else suggested that maybe the Empress should add on a few > floors. > > At who's expense? Certainly not theirs. Their view has been blocked > by MM. > > The Empress would jump at the chance to add floors at its own expense. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Somebody else suggested that maybe the Empress should add on a few floors. > At who's expense? Certainly not theirs. Their view has been blocked by MM. The Empress would jump at the chance to add floors at its own expense. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi, I thought I included your post? You were commenting on the need for mixed uses. I was agreeing with that, but then saying that it doesnt look like much has been done given the years that have gone by. I can see why there is a lot of criticism of how its been handled. I'm still thinking of the big promo with Springsteen concerts and all. The places to stay are out of my price range, as are the 'nicer' clubs and shops. The key to any good revitalization of a down and out area is a mix thats affordable. I dont see it and there is really not much entertainment wise in reality. Funny that you dont think the boardwalk looks 'cheap', perhaps you dont know what a place like the bandstand building is supposed to look like? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "nobepeymay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" > wrote: > > > > I'll second that, it looked to me what Ive heard about in the > media > > did not get done. I thought Asbury was rebuilt over the last > years. > > Looks like a long wasy to go. > > > - > first off another great weekend in AP. > > I am not quite sure to what you are agreeing to in my previous > post? The first time I visited AP was about 14 months ago and I > think the city has made significant progress since my first visit. > as far as the boardwalk looking cheapI am also in disagreement, > of course this is very subjective. (keep in mind that it is not > finished yet). > > If you look at where we could or should be now based on expectaions > from 2001 you could drive yourself crazyuse 1/08 or even today > as your frame of reference and move forward from herefuture > looks good in my opinion, why dwell on the past and be negative? > > i think the bottom line is that a safe, clean and interesting > boardwalk, beach and city with lots of great businesses, people, > music and entertainment is going to be the deciding factor on the > success of the city not whether or not there is 1 or 3 colors on a > building. > > Just my opinion. > > John > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't want to tick anybody off with this post, because traffic at our boardwalk has been great. But, I honestly don't understand why the 1st Ave. pavilion was built up to it's current height instead of one of the other pavilions. We've mentioned the blocking of the Empress views, but what about the concept that most of that pavilion isn't even visible from inland? Wouldn't it have made more sense to build up a pavilion that isn't obscured? I think it really sucks that the Empress has to suffer since they've been a successful business for so long. It's the only oceanfront hotel we have. Oceanfront rooms get a premium price. Somebody else suggested that maybe the Empress should add on a few floors. At who's expense? Certainly not theirs. Their view has been blocked by MM. Also, isn't it a waste to have the MM offices in a pavilion? It's vanity for them, but it's also a waste of prime boardwalk space. That pavilion would be a great place to add in lockers and showers, which would help keep people at our beach longer. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I went into the lobby to wait for Glenn and it is top notch! > The staff is friendly and everything is spartan! Glenn and I observed > the 1st Av. Pavilion. I must say those AC's up on the roof are UGLY! > > So what they fixed the gas line and oops! There goes the Seniors, > ANYWAY! They should have SAID that, but were too punk-a$$, to tell > the truth! Just go across town, 2 miles and SEE Neptune's on Corlies > Ave. and Neptune Blvd. I shake my head and want to cry, because I > can't use Neptune's facility. Aren't WE as good as Neptune? I give > up! Maybe Jim Bruno can hook us up with that, too! He gives a great > parade; I know he and John can make it real for us old folks! > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 6:29:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > Shep rarely gets enough credit for that 1999 leap of faith. IMO > > > > > > > > > > I would of lept as well- but no one would hand me about $500k i needed > > to leap and then another $2m. > > > > It kind of went like this: > > > > Are you f...ing crazy? > > > > four words. > > > > No one believes that went for $600k. Except for me and Mario. > > > > The place was a total mess. Be happy it's still standing AND bringing > > in the crowd that started the revitalization - even if they moved on > > and cashed out or stayed to play. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I went into the lobby to wait for Glenn and it is top notch! The staff is friendly and everything is spartan! Glenn and I observed the 1st Av. Pavilion. I must say those AC's up on the roof are UGLY! So what they fixed the gas line and oops! There goes the Seniors, ANYWAY! They should have SAID that, but were too punk-a$$, to tell the truth! Just go across town, 2 miles and SEE Neptune's on Corlies Ave. and Neptune Blvd. I shake my head and want to cry, because I can't use Neptune's facility. Aren't WE as good as Neptune? I give up! Maybe Jim Bruno can hook us up with that, too! He gives a great parade; I know he and John can make it real for us old folks! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 6:29:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > Shep rarely gets enough credit for that 1999 leap of faith. IMO > > > > > > I would of lept as well- but no one would hand me about $500k i needed > to leap and then another $2m. > > It kind of went like this: > > Are you f...ing crazy? > > four words. > > No one believes that went for $600k. Except for me and Mario. > > The place was a total mess. Be happy it's still standing AND bringing > in the crowd that started the revitalization - even if they moved on > and cashed out or stayed to play. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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"Sorry - I was thinking the thread was about the Convention Hall stairs to the beach... " Haha, oh all right. I at first didn't know how I felt about the stairs. The stairs leading up to CH. I know their not part of the original design of the building, but I think i like them. They are very functional. Sometimes I think even historic buildings needs to be tweaked to a certain degree to make them more modern day friendly. HOWEVER, I think the railings they chose could have been better. It wasn't a surprise to me because MM said at a previous city meeting that the bottom half would match the boardwalk railings, and the upper half would mimic the CH railings. One day when the boardwalk railings are replaced, I do have hope that they will be. Maybe then they will match them to the Ch railings.
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"To me the modern metal railings do not fit the architecture of the original building. I don't know if the stairs were ever originally there, but, I wouldn't think. If they do decide to alter a historic structure, would it be too much to ask that the original iron work be replicated??" We are still talking about the 1st ave pavilion right? No, the stairs on the northern side were never there. It does seem like a good idea to have them though. Historic structure? I don't know if there's anything historic about the building, other then the fact that it's a few decades old. There were no architectural details on the building, other then it having real brick. The stairs in my opinion go well with the new design. I think they will tie in better once the upstairs railings are installed. Right now their kind of out in space!
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Sorry - I was thinking the thread was about the Convention Hall stairs to the beach...? -Original Message- From: oakdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 2:50 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard the owners of the Empress were in talks with MM about what they can do to fix the "problem" with the roof top A/C units.? The first ave pavilion isn't any taller then it was before, is it??? I don't see how anything would block views that weren't maybe already blocked? > I think if you look at the front of the building second floor - there is a bump out on the right hand side that wasn't there before.
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To me the modern metal railings do not fit the architecture of the original building.? I don't know if the stairs were ever originally there, but, I wouldn't think.? If they do decide to alter a historic structure, would it be too much to ask that the original iron work be replicated?? -Original Message- From: charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions ??? I'll have to check it out.? If you're on the boardwalk side, the right side is still open the way it always was?? With new railings going up, that look pretty cool.? Stainless steel.? Some sort of lighted post it looks like.? The left side was always a 2nd story.? I'll take a look
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I'll have to check it out. If you're on the boardwalk side, the right side is still open the way it always was? With new railings going up, that look pretty cool. Stainless steel. Some sort of lighted post it looks like. The left side was always a 2nd story. I'll take a look
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard the owners of the Empress were in talks with MM about what they can do to fix the "problem" with the roof top A/C units. The first ave pavilion isn't any taller then it was before, is it?? I don't see how anything would block views that weren't maybe already blocked? > I think if you look at the front of the building second floor - there is a bump out on the right hand side that wasn't there before. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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"I keep hearing rumors that the Empress is very upset with MM's build up of the first ave. pavillion, which effectively ruined most of the view from their premium ocean view rooms. Can anybody confirm this?" I heard the owners of the Empress were in talks with MM about what they can do to fix the "problem" with the roof top A/C units. The first ave pavilion isn't any taller then it was before, is it?? I don't see how anything would block views that weren't maybe already blocked?
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I keep hearing rumors that the Empress is very upset with MM's build up of the first ave. > pavillion, which effectively ruined most of the view from their premium ocean view rooms. > Can anybody confirm this? > I've heard that as well. What I cannot confirm is that MM built the 1st Ave pavillion higher than it should be and installed HVAC units where they should not be. If I ran this city I would perhaps let the Empress add a couple of floors as compensation and in return for more ratables. BTW, Try the Ketchup Grill in the Empress for breakfast lunch or dinner. Its great and run by Mary of Chat N Nibble. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > John, I'm certain that in your business the issues of "presentation" > or "packaging" come into play. Shape of jars, colors of labels etc. > > The same applies to buildings and architectural identity. That's what > differentiates the simply good or acceptable from the really great and > forward looking. > > At issue is, could the 5th Avenue Pavilion have been better designed > esthetically with no additional cost. Clearly the answer is yes, We > have lost a significant architectural icon due to the choices made and > allowed. > > The terms of the Dispute Resolution Agreement and the specifics of the > Redevelopment Plan were violated. There appear to be no consequences, > that is what's problematic. > > Werner > > PS: Please don't fall for the "Its OK because we are moving forward" > argument. Details of what the Public was promised are significant. - more comes into play than just the packaging in selling a productalthough that is critical. In this case I believe the appearance of AP city and boardwalk (our packaging)is just fine and getting better every day. There is also brand recogntion, placement on the shelf and the quality of the product, etc. Our product (AP) is selling as of late because we are strong in all these areas. Again I see a bright future ahead.at this point I believe the players have too much at stake not to work out differnces even if they are big ones. let's seewe are have some nice sunny summer days ahead. One concern I do have is how viable these boardwalk businesses will be over the winter? Opening up the pavillions to Ocean Ave was smart but will it be enough? If the businesses are successful and there is enough $$ for everyone to share we should be OK. John > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the principals of the Plan are regularly violated. Don't you mean "supplanted"? ;) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --5th ave pav 1979 > > http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/5th-Ave-1979.gif > Three things stand out in that photo. First, the detrioration already evident (above the garage door) on what was then only an 18-year-old building. A reminder of the forces of salt water that one hopes MM is keeping in mind. Two, the advertisements above the entrance to the arcade, which I remember well. Half of them were for Merv Griffin's Resorts as I recall. Three, look at the calendar at Convention Hall. July 7 - Sept 1: Municipal Band Concerts. Only in Asbury Park. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--5th ave pav 1979 http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/5th-Ave-1979.gif Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I keep hearing rumors that the Empress is very upset with MM's build up of the first ave. > pavillion, which effectively ruined most of the view from their premium ocean view rooms. > Can anybody confirm this? > === Yes, That is news from a month ago: message #38040 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/38040 Yes, Mr. Pettibone is not happy. Another case of "developers" only being concerned with themselves. What a shame since MM and Pettibone should have partnered to make a unified development (skybridge like the BCH had) out of the Pavilion/Empress. To all the cheerleaders: When will you wake up ?? The process is dysfunctional, the TRC is ineffective, the principals of the Plan are regularly violated. Developers regularly take advantage of the Publics (your) rights. Get over my being 'arrogant', my negativity, your personal likes/dislikes and listen to what I have been saying. I speak the truth and the facts, they are not pretty but burying ones head in the sand is not going to fix the issues. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Jack, The displeasure with the pavailion was prevalant in discussion within the hotel on July 4th weekend; both staff and guests were talking about it. I also noticed an item on the last Council Meeting agaenda "Possible litigation: The Empress Hotel", so, I suspect that it is not a rumor. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I keep hearing rumors that the Empress is very upset with MM's build up of the first ave. > pavillion, which effectively ruined most of the view from their premium ocean view rooms. > Can anybody confirm this? > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" wrote: > > > > I agree with your humble opinion Mario. There are very few business > > owners in Asbury Park who remove carpet stains and paint walls within > > their business, I have personally observed Shep doing both. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 6:29:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > oakdorf@ writes: > > > > > > 2)And here (imagine a world without google - watch what you > > > writeyou'd think these stories are just bullshit...you can't > > > write hollywood scripts this good...) > > > > > > _http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml_ > > > (http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml) > > > MEGA - what's that all about in a nutshell? > > > > > > > > > and this: > > > > > > By MICHAEL RILEY > > > ASBURY PARK PRESS STAFF WRITER > > > > > > ASBURY PARK, June 18, 1999 -- The faded landmark Empress Motel on > > the > > > corner > > > of Ocean and Asbury avenues is showing signs of new life > > > > > > Shep rarely gets enough credit for that 1999 leap of faith. IMO > > > > > > > > > > > > **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the > > live music > > > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112) > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I keep hearing rumors that the Empress is very upset with MM's build up of the first ave. pavillion, which effectively ruined most of the view from their premium ocean view rooms. Can anybody confirm this? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dapawprint" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with your humble opinion Mario. There are very few business > owners in Asbury Park who remove carpet stains and paint walls within > their business, I have personally observed Shep doing both. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 6:29:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > oakdorf@ writes: > > > > 2)And here (imagine a world without google - watch what you > > writeyou'd think these stories are just bullshit...you can't > > write hollywood scripts this good...) > > > > _http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml_ > > (http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml) > > MEGA - what's that all about in a nutshell? > > > > > > and this: > > > > By MICHAEL RILEY > > ASBURY PARK PRESS STAFF WRITER > > > > ASBURY PARK, June 18, 1999 -- The faded landmark Empress Motel on > the > > corner > > of Ocean and Asbury avenues is showing signs of new life > > > > Shep rarely gets enough credit for that 1999 leap of faith. IMO > > > > > > > > **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the > live music > > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112) > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I agree with your humble opinion Mario. There are very few business owners in Asbury Park who remove carpet stains and paint walls within their business, I have personally observed Shep doing both. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 6:29:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > 2)And here (imagine a world without google - watch what you > writeyou'd think these stories are just bullshit...you can't > write hollywood scripts this good...) > > _http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml_ > (http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml) > MEGA - what's that all about in a nutshell? > > > and this: > > By MICHAEL RILEY > ASBURY PARK PRESS STAFF WRITER > > ASBURY PARK, June 18, 1999 -- The faded landmark Empress Motel on the > corner > of Ocean and Asbury avenues is showing signs of new life > > Shep rarely gets enough credit for that 1999 leap of faith. IMO > > > > **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112) > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 6:29:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > Shep rarely gets enough credit for that 1999 leap of faith. IMO > > I would of lept as well- but no one would hand me about $500k i needed to leap and then another $2m. It kind of went like this: Are you f...ing crazy? four words. No one believes that went for $600k. Except for me and Mario. The place was a total mess. Be happy it's still standing AND bringing in the crowd that started the revitalization - even if they moved on and cashed out or stayed to play. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 7/14/2008 6:29:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2)And here (imagine a world without google - watch what you writeyou'd think these stories are just bullshit...you can't write hollywood scripts this good...) _http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml_ (http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml) MEGA - what's that all about in a nutshell? and this: By MICHAEL RILEY ASBURY PARK PRESS STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK, June 18, 1999 -- The faded landmark Empress Motel on the corner of Ocean and Asbury avenues is showing signs of new life Shep rarely gets enough credit for that 1999 leap of faith. IMO **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > " > > an example of what it WAS on the front. This is what was stuccoed over > > on the rear from what I recall. > > All I know is one my first nights out after a few years of marriage, someone dragged me around- Phoneix, then Extreme...all I recall is getting the heck out... 1) As long as there's not interior shots of when it was Extreme Farheneit. 2)And here (imagine a world without google - watch what you writeyou'd think these stories are just bullshit...you can't write hollywood scripts this good...) http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00372000.shtml and this: By MICHAEL RILEY ASBURY PARK PRESS STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK, June 18, 1999 -- The faded landmark Empress Motel on the corner of Ocean and Asbury avenues is showing signs of new life. Shep Pettibone, an Ocean Grove resident and former record producer -- best known for Madonna's "Erotica" album -- purchased the dilapidated property in January for $635,000. At the Empress, renovations began on the ground floor almost immediately after Pettibone bought the property. On Memorial Day weekend Pettibone opened Paradise, a predominantly but not exclusively gay nightclub that has live and recorded entertainment. Patrons say it has been packed on weekends. "It's a beautiful club," said James Famularo, assistant city manager of Asbury Park. "I think it's one of the best-looking clubs in the state of New Jersey. You go in there and you feel like you're in a tropical paradise. We're fortunate to have it in Asbury Park." Famularo called Pettibone's investment an example of private redevelopment that will help Asbury Park come back "block by block." "Asbury Park is coming back. Club Paradise is part of this city's new renaissance," Famularo said. It's not Pettibone's only renovation project in the area. He's also converting the former Chopin Hotel, 20 Main Ave., Ocean Grove, into a luxury hotel and restaurant, expected to open next year. Upstairs in the Empress, construction workers are everywhere, though the new owners aren't saying when they plan to reopen the four-story building as a motel. The only new signs -- neon -- advertise the club, not the motel. A sidewalk awning leads customers to a small art deco-like bar off the main dance floor, which contains a state-of-the-art, 2000-watt sound system. On many nights, Pettibone himself takes a turn as DJ. Pettibone declined to be interviewed, citing fatigue. "We've been working 22-hour days since February," he said as he stood in his small office behind the old hotel lobby desk. Rik Marino, Pettibone's companion, is excited about the property's future. He said that Pettibone hopes the club will help continue to be part of the renewal of Asbury Park. "Everybody has been very supportive, from the police department to city officials," said Marino. "They've all said what a great thing they think we're doing." The Empress was built in 1960 and in its nearly 40-year history has housed a number of restaurants and nightclubs, notably Gatsby's in the 1970s and most recently an adult entertainment club, Extreme Fahrenheit, that opened in 1993 and was shut down in 1996 after its license was suspended for lewd conduct by waitresses. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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" an example of what it WAS on the front. This is what was stuccoed over on the rear from what I recall. It's open. It's clean. They pay taxes." All true. Of course.
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here are a few more. http://homepage.mac.com/peterlucia/noweverthen/asbury/ap1.1fold/empres1.jpg
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--- an example of what it WAS on the front. This is what was stuccoed over on the rear from what I recall. It's open. It's clean. They pay taxes. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2147/2461052372_a082667a2e.jpg?v=0 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Now the building is another classic 60s icon badly remodeled with a > > stucco overcoat." > The stucco is rough - in the day time. Can't beat it night. The lighting is great. Old shots. I'll find better ones http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/pic/mayfair/Ferris_Wheel_Mayfai_Palace.jp g http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/pic/mayfair/CasinoMerryGoRound.jpg Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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" The Empress remodeling was started before the redevelopment deal. The stucco on the West side came first. Then the redevelopment plan required approvals for the East side. The TRC and Planning board wanted it restored to a look more in keeping with its original design. Those terms were not complied with. Now the building is another classic 60s icon badly remodeled with a stucco overcoat." I agree with that 100 percent Werner. The building looks badly remodeled, and lost the neat design it once had. Now that it's been a few years since Paradise and the Empress have been open I hope they racked in enough money to maybe start having thoughts about doing a real remodel Get rid of the stucco railings on the west side. I know it's not original, but maybe some modern glass railings would be cool. I wouldn't want to restore what was their previously, for it were old fashioned metal railings that did nothing for the building. Not sure if they were original either.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "nobepeymay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think the bottom line is that a safe, clean and interesting > boardwalk, beach and city with lots of great businesses, people, > music and entertainment is going to be the deciding factor on the > success of the city not whether or not there is 1 or 3 colors on a > building. > > Just my opinion. John, I'm certain that in your business the issues of "presentation" or "packaging" come into play. Shape of jars, colors of labels etc. The same applies to buildings and architectural identity. That's what differentiates the simply good or acceptable from the really great and forward looking. At issue is, could the 5th Avenue Pavilion have been better designed esthetically with no additional cost. Clearly the answer is yes, We have lost a significant architectural icon due to the choices made and allowed. The terms of the Dispute Resolution Agreement and the specifics of the Redevelopment Plan were violated. There appear to be no consequences, that is what's problematic. Werner PS: Please don't fall for the "Its OK because we are moving forward" argument. Details of what the Public was promised are significant. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Empress was remodeled a few years ago by the current owners. Nothing to do ith the development plan of AP. They did a lot of work, but i'll agree that I think it lost some of it's style during the renovation. I don't remember the details, but I think they had a timeline to get the work done by, or else their ownership would be questioned. Maybe someone else remembers more details on what happened there. === The Empress remodeling was started before the redevelopment deal. The stucco on the West side came first. Then the redevelopment plan required approvals for the East side. The TRC and Planning board wanted it restored to a look more in keeping with its original design. Those terms were not complied with. Now the building is another classic 60s icon badly remodeled with a stucco overcoat. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll second that, it looked to me what Ive heard about in the media > did not get done. I thought Asbury was rebuilt over the last years. > Looks like a long wasy to go. > - first off another great weekend in AP. I am not quite sure to what you are agreeing to in my previous post? The first time I visited AP was about 14 months ago and I think the city has made significant progress since my first visit. as far as the boardwalk looking cheapI am also in disagreement, of course this is very subjective. (keep in mind that it is not finished yet). If you look at where we could or should be now based on expectaions from 2001 you could drive yourself crazyuse 1/08 or even today as your frame of reference and move forward from herefuture looks good in my opinion, why dwell on the past and be negative? i think the bottom line is that a safe, clean and interesting boardwalk, beach and city with lots of great businesses, people, music and entertainment is going to be the deciding factor on the success of the city not whether or not there is 1 or 3 colors on a building. Just my opinion. John Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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" I never implied that the pavilion and the center were matched or should be matched. But your question is 'how did it fit before it was remodeled'. Well its unique to Asbury. Architecture goes through phases and certain buildings from the 50s/60s are recognized as worth saving. Its a record of the life of the town and in a larger picture a record of civilization." I agree with that. Nothing is the same, and if it was, it would appear fake. "You think everything should be plowed down or remodeled just because it can be ?" No, not at all. I liked a lot of the old pavilions before they were worked on. However, parts of their design I didn't like. Some of them could have been edited to "open" them up more while keeping their already existing design. Making the pavilions more open to ocean ave was a good idea in my opinion. Before, all the pavilions had "back" doors facing ocean ave. Picture driving behind a strip mall, seeing all the back singel doors to each business. That is what ocean ave was like before. It's nice the way it is now. I just want to see some good stuff come into them!!
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"Color has everything to do with how things are perceived and
marketed. A black building gives a different feeling than a white
building. You mis-understood what I ment by quality, i was refering
to architectural quality, although the building materials are
questionable also."
No cheap building materials appear to have been used.
"Isnt it obvious?, one end is orange, the middle is cream snd the
other end is yellow. I wasnt comparing it to the convention center,
its a building unto itself whose parts are mismatched. Cartoon
architecture. My understanding is that it had nothing to do with
HoJo (the design), but you are getting to the point, the whole
building matched originally, orange brick, details, etc."
I don't have your original quote in front of me, but I thought you
commented how the 5th ave pavilion looked out of place next to the CH??? The
point I was making is, weather it be the newly remodeled 5th ave or the old
one, both didn't "match" or go with the Ch to it's north. Different stylings
totally, nothing in comparison expect the orange color of the bricks and the
few HOjo details.
"Not a classy building? WoW you must not get out often {a joke}. Ive
been to a lot of places and never seen anything like that. It is
soo cool and unique, but now looks nothing like when it was designed
and built. Have you ever been to Wildwood, NJ? They really take care
of their 50s and 60s, buildings. Here they all got ruined, the
Empress is another example, I'm wondering why."
I don't consider the 5th ave pavilion to be classy in the same way that I
would consider the CH is what I ment... A building that is cool I don't th ink
i'd classify as being classy. I think the 5th is a very good building though.
The Empress was remodeled a few years ago by the current owners. Nothing
to do ith the development plan of AP. They did a lot of work, but i'll agree
that I think it lost some of it's style during the renovation. I don't
remember the details, but I think they had a timeline to get the work done by,
or else their ownership would be questioned. Maybe someone else remembers more
details on what happened there.
Welcome to the group!
Charlie
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Opps, Sorry, I just read my own post and realize I didnt quite answer your specific question. I never implied that the pavilion and the center were matched or should be matched. But your question is 'how did it fit before it was remodeled'. Well its unique to Asbury. Architecture goes through phases and certain buildings from the 50s/60s are recognized as worth saving. Its a record of the life of the town and in a larger picture a record of civilization. You think everything should be plowed down or remodeled just because it can be ? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie wrote: > > You speak about the 5th ave pavilion, the one next to CH > (Convention Hall). How is it out of place of mismatched? How does > the current building, before it was remodeled fit in with the CH? > Classical stylings next to space age modern? The only thing > matching were the orange bricks and orange details of the HOJO. > > Isnt it obvious?, one end is orange, the middle is cream snd the > other end is yellow. I wasnt comparing it to the convention center, > its a building unto itself whose parts are mismatched. Cartoon > architecture. My understanding is that it had nothing to do with > HoJo (the design), but you are getting to the point, the whole > building matched originally, orange brick, details, etc. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Colors have nothing to do with quality! Not sure why you're
bringing that up into the case you're trying to make! :-) The
stucco used could have been done the cheap with, foam board covered
in a skim coat. That is how most stucco jobs are done today.
However, the boardwalk buildings were done the right way with multi
steps and real metal mesh.
Color has everything to do with how things are perceived and
marketed. A black building gives a different feeling than a white
building. You mis-understood what I ment by quality, i was refering
to architectural quality, although the building materials are
questionable also.
> You speak about the 5th ave pavilion, the one next to CH
(Convention Hall). How is it out of place of mismatched? How does
the current building, before it was remodeled fit in with the CH?
Classical stylings next to space age modern? The only thing
matching were the orange bricks and orange details of the HOJO.
Isnt it obvious?, one end is orange, the middle is cream snd the
other end is yellow. I wasnt comparing it to the convention center,
its a building unto itself whose parts are mismatched. Cartoon
architecture. My understanding is that it had nothing to do with
HoJo (the design), but you are getting to the point, the whole
building matched originally, orange brick, details, etc.
> The 5th ave pavilion is not the state capital or a classy
building. If you were to paint 2 walls of the CH different colors,
that would be maddness. However, the building you speak of was
always corky (again, before the remodel). Back when it was first
built it was space age modern, jetsons, i'm pretty sure it was ahead
of it's time back then. Imagine what people might have said about
it when it went up? Something that crazy being sat next to CH??
I'm sure there must have been quite the uproar.
Not a classy building? WoW you must not get out often {a joke}. Ive
been to a lot of places and never seen anything like that. It is
soo cool and unique, but now looks nothing like when it was designed
and built. Have you ever been to Wildwood, NJ? They really take care
of their 50s and 60s, buildings. Here they all got ruined, the
Empress is another example, I'm wondering why.
> I don't think the things being done so far are cheap, but
confused may be a better way to define it. Things are not done,
nothing is completed, yet things are trying to open. They are way
behind on the dates they gave, it's a fact! But instead of
complaining about it (not you), I say let them work and try to get
things done. Of course I think the city should come up with some
sort of an agreement with MM to get some things for the boardwalk
that the city wants also. Maybe more boardwalk type food, or
other "traditional" boardwalk features.
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" You make some good points about the 5th AVE pavilion and it probably did seem a little crazy in 1961 (although the Rufus Nims roof design and orange and white color scheme had become ubiquitous across America by then), but it managed to grow on visitors and become an indelible part of the boardwalk experience. This probably says more about the vision of John Fridy than anything else. " BTW, sorry for any typos in my last post, it was rushed. Thanks. i liked the old 5th ave pavilion the way it was, but I also like the new design. But, also keep in mind the building is NOT done. Even when it is done, it's still not! The 2nd story is not being worked on for some time. I remember at a city meeting, MM even said when the 2nd story is worked on in the future, small elements of what has already been done may be modified to attach into whatever new stuff is created up top. It's fine if you don't like the style of the building, but trying to pass it of as a mismatched building next to CH is insane. The present of past 5th ave pavilion never matched. It just felt right because everyone knew it. It grew on you one might say. And i'm sure it took time for it to grow all those years ago. On a different topic all together, the inside arcade at CH is really shaping up. It's too bad we can't have those kinds of crowds on the boardwalk!!! I don't know if we will ever see that.. Unless more sociable places open on the boardwalk. People will only walk back and forth on the boardwalk so many times... The more there is to do, the more they will wonder around.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Colors have nothing to do with quality! I'd have to respectfully disagree, and you seem to acknowledge the importance of color yourself when you write: >If you were to paint 2 walls of the CH different colors, that would >be maddness. >Not sure why you're bringing that up into the case you're trying to make! :-) This was the first impression of a newcomer, and since the town is trying rightfully to attract newcomers with a will to invest, it's a valid impression to share. You make some good points about the 5th AVE pavilion and it probably did seem a little crazy in 1961 (although the Rufus Nims roof design and orange and white color scheme had become ubiquitous across America by then), but it managed to grow on visitors and become an indelible part of the boardwalk experience. This probably says more about the vision of John Fridy than anything else. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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" Someone asked for an example when i mentioned the mismatched buildings, just look at the one next to the convention center. Imagine taking the US capital, or any classy building, and painting it 3 differnt colors. Orange on the left, cream in the middle and yellow on the right doesnt say quality to me." Colors have nothing to do with quality! Not sure why you're bringing that up into the case you're trying to make! :-) The stucco used could have been done the cheap with, foam board covered in a skim coat. That is how most stucco jobs are done today. However, the boardwalk buildings were done the right way with multi steps and real metal mesh. You speak about the 5th ave pavilion, the one next to CH (Convention Hall). How is it out of place of mismatched? How does the current building, before it was remodeled fit in with the CH? Classical stylings next to space age modern? The only thing matching were the orange bricks and orange details of the HOJO. The 5th ave pavilion is not the state capital or a classy building. If you were to paint 2 walls of the CH different colors, that would be maddness. However, the building you speak of was always corky (again, before the remodel). Back when it was first built it was space age modern, jetsons, i'm pretty sure it was ahead of it's time back then. Imagine what people might have said about it when it went up? Something that crazy being sat next to CH?? I'm sure there must have been quite the uproar. I don't think the things being done so far are cheap, but confused may be a better way to define it. Things are not done, nothing is completed, yet things are trying to open. They are way behind on the dates they gave, it's a fact! But instead of complaining about it (not you), I say let them work and try to get things done. Of course I think the city should come up with some sort of an agreement with MM to get some things for the boardwalk that the city wants also. Maybe more boardwalk type food, or other "traditional" boardwalk features.
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I'll second that, it looked to me what Ive heard about in the media did not get done. I thought Asbury was rebuilt over the last years. Looks like a long wasy to go. You are so right about guality, Ive been to many places and the best show attention to detail and good presentation. I hate to say it [since i did have a good time] but things look cheap and disorganized along with being unfinished. Someone asked for an example when i mentioned the mismatched buildings, just look at the one next to the convention center. Imagine taking the US capital, or any classy building, and painting it 3 differnt colors. Orange on the left, cream in the middle and yellow on the right doesnt say quality to me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "nobepeymay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I for one would like a healthy mix of residential, retail and > entertaiment by the boardwalkI fear that if the boardwalk > becomes almost exclusively a tourist destination it will not be as > enjoyable for those of us who live here or spend a bunch of time > here. In my opinion a boardwalk and businesses that would end up > being way over crowded would be less desirable to take advatage of. > > A balance of being able to support a thriving boardwalk and city > with and well thought out entertainment options / festivals / events > would be great.I would take quality over quantity. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "nobepeymay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > If fundamental changes are needed to keep the progress > going, I have faith that these changes can be worked outthen > again I haven't lived through all of the starts / stops and false > promises that many have here. == John, we are very much on the 'same page' regarding the issues of what direction things should take. Its like a stock porfilio, it needs to be diversified. The reason the redevelopment has been a failure is that lack of diversification. All bets were placed on high density residential. Clearly a huge mistake from a planning perspective. As to your faith that things can be worked out, I am not optimistic, since the track record of the rights (3000+ condos) holder, Asbury Partners has not lived up to expectations. That may, however, be a blessing in disguise and allow a complete restructuring of the deal and modifications of land use involving a more credible entity such as MM. The City is currently hostage to the Plan and Deal at hand with Asbury Partners. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > John, your hopes and observations are optimistic and I agree that a > change of direction is needed and desirable. But, The developers > have no gears to switch. > > The point I have been making that seems to escape everyone in that > the PLAN is the law. The PLAN dictates land use and unless it is > changed it will run its course as I have described. (intensely > residential) > > As much as MM or anyone else wants AP to be a destination, the PLAN > as currently structured does not support that goal very well. It was > not the goal in its creation. > > The PLAN is the guiding redevelopment document, it needs to be > reexamined and modified to better support a destination based > economy. > > Werner - Werner, I agreefrom a "big picture" perspective if the current plan is not economically viable there must be changes made to the PLAN / redevelopment document. I for one would like a healthy mix of residential, retail and entertaiment by the boardwalkI fear that if the boardwalk becomes almost exclusively a tourist destination it will not be as enjoyable for those of us who live here or spend a bunch of time here. In my opinion a boardwalk and businesses that would end up being way over crowded would be less desirable to take advatage of. A balance of being able to support a thriving boardwalk and city with and well thought out entertainment options / festivals / events would be great.I would take quality over quantity. I like the fact that quite a bit of the retail has an interactive element to itI stopped by the Cuban Sandwich Container and they mentioned to me that they are going to have Salsa lessons on the boardwalkhow cool is that! Hope this interactive retail thread continues throughout the boardwalk. All parties involved in the redevelopment must continue to adapt to what is most benificial to all the citizens of of this community and the visitors in order for this redevopment to be considered a success. I remain cautiously optimistic, as we are taking steps in the right direction. If fundamental changes are needed to keep the progress going, I have faith that these changes can be worked outthen again I haven't lived through all of the starts / stops and false promises that many have here. I believe Mario in one of his posts mentioned this time it feels different. Stay tuned! John Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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When I listed my thoughts earlier, I failed to mention that I Love Biggies Clam Bar. I've been to the Hoboken location many times, so it's great to have a little bit of that right here at home. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > > > the plan now is to have as many places serving liquor as possible...? > > And I thought Werner would comment on the use of the Bradley "image" in what > could be > considered a negative way. > > Or it is freedom of expression - art? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the plan now is to have as many places serving liquor as possible...? And I thought Werner would comment on the use of the Bradley "image" in what could be considered a negative way. Or it is freedom of expression - art? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "nobepeymay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Charlie, > > > > My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and > > witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly > accepted > > as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every > > Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the > > planning Board. > > > > I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft > > created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton & Hintz. My > > questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not > > accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and > > ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to be > a > > primarily residential development with amenities for the use of > > those residents. > > > > Recall that the explaination to the public was that the > traditional > > destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year round > > high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the > > plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it. > > > > I hope that clears up your concerns, > > > > Werner > ... > > glad the developers have switched gears...it is obvious that the > millions upon millions that are being spent are for a much wider > audience and not the condo owners who are here in small numbers. > Based on the scale of investment being made there is no way the > condo owners alone could keep the boardwalk busineses afloat. > > take a look at the new website.is this geared specifically for > condo owners? I don't think so. In my opinion, the focus has > changed and will adapt to today's needs. This is being proven out > by the direction and new adaptation of the boardwalk to a wider > audience than you reference above.. > > John > == John, your hopes and observations are optimistic and I agree that a change of direction is needed and desirable. But, The developers have no gears to switch. The point I have been making that seems to escape everyone in that the PLAN is the law. The PLAN dictates land use and unless it is changed it will run its course as I have described. (intensely residential) As much as MM or anyone else wants AP to be a destination, the PLAN as currently structured does not support that goal very well. It was not the goal in its creation. The PLAN is the guiding redevelopment document, it needs to be reexamined and modified to better support a destination based economy. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> Charlie, > > My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and > witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly accepted > as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every > Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the > planning Board. > > I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft > created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton & Hintz. My > questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not > accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and > ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to be a > primarily residential development with amenities for the use of > those residents. > > Recall that the explaination to the public was that the traditional > destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year round > high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the > plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it. > > I hope that clears up your concerns, > > Werner ... glad the developers have switched gears...it is obvious that the millions upon millions that are being spent are for a much wider audience and not the condo owners who are here in small numbers. Based on the scale of investment being made there is no way the condo owners alone could keep the boardwalk busineses afloat. take a look at the new website.is this geared specifically for condo owners? I don't think so. In my opinion, the focus has changed and will adapt to today's needs. This is being proven out by the direction and new adaptation of the boardwalk to a wider audience than you reference above.. John Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Nice comments Jack! I like the containers, I think they look neat! Also, i don't think their completed! Didn't the renderings on line show different images or abstractions on the sides of them? I think the white is just the base coat. They were in a rush to get them open and operational. I expect changes to them soon. We will see! I noticed the other day they switched out the two modern flower pots on each side of the Paramount with more classic styling ones. A small thing to notice, but i noticed! I actually liked the modern ones better, because it blurred the visual cut off between old and new. The new black ones look good too though.
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Werner, I didn't cut and paste everything you said just now, but yes, it does make sence what you say. Sometimes it just seems like you word things in such a way, that it leads people towards your way of thinkng. Everything you said is true, however, the parking for beach goers lines ocean ave as well as all the avenues. How has that changed any? The condo units all have enclosed parking. Of course any visitors that the condos receive would be parking on the street. Hypothetically, any business where the condos now are would also receive visitors. Those extra cars were always present? Was there EVER parkin for the C or CH? Back in the day when everything was up and running, it seems like there was always a parking crisis. How many parking spaces did narrowing the roads really cause?
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Here's my thoughts about my likes and dislikes of the current boardwalk. First off, I can't help but agree with the new poster here that the architecture of the new pavilions leaves something to be desired. Is it better then it's been in years. Yes. Is it as good as it COULD be? No. I still think that sticking with the original look from the glory years of AP would've been much better, because it would've stuck with the original branding that AP used to be known for. Now, on either end, you have something traditional and truly unique, and in the middle you have South Beach Strip Mall Modern, with wall warts of A/C units on top. I think Convention Hall looks amazing, as does the plaza and entrance to the Paramount. I can't really comment on The Casino yet because it still has quite a way to go. I like the mini golf. I hate the containers. Nice experiment, but they fail for me, especially from the rear view. As for the empty fields being transformed into parking lots...they are better then what's been there for the last few years, but I will forever miss what was there before. I love that all the streets in the area have been paved. As for the content of the new pavilion shops, I dig the bike shop and Style Rocket, but Style Rocket is a bit overpriced, but they do have some great stuff in there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie wrote: > > > > " > > Is still to build 3000+ high end Condos and a retail/commercial > > > > beachfront for the use of the condo dwellers." > > > > Werner, does the plan really mention that the > retail/commercial area is designated for the soul purpose of the > condo dwellers? I somehow doubt it does, but if i'm mistaken, sorry > in advance... It sounds like you're intentionally inserting > words to help with you're conclusion. > > So far what's been built on the boardwalk, and inside the CH > arcade is for anyone who wants to enjoy it. Maybe it's not the sort > of thing you wanted to see open? Is that why it then becomes marked > for condo dwellers only??? > > > === = > Charlie, > > My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and > witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly accepted > as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every > Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the > planning Board. > > I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft > created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton & Hintz. My > questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not > accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and > ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to be a > primarily residential development with amenities for the use of > those residents. > > Recall that the explaination to the public was that the traditional > destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year round > high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the > plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it. > > I hope that clears up your concerns, > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > " > Is still to build 3000+ high end Condos and a retail/commercial > > beachfront for the use of the condo dwellers." > > Werner, does the plan really mention that the retail/commercial area is designated for the soul purpose of the condo dwellers? I somehow doubt it does, but if i'm mistaken, sorry in advance... It sounds like you're intentionally inserting words to help with you're conclusion. > So far what's been built on the boardwalk, and inside the CH arcade is for anyone who wants to enjoy it. Maybe it's not the sort of thing you wanted to see open? Is that why it then becomes marked for condo dwellers only??? > Charlie, My conclusions are based upon first hand participation and witnessing of the process that created the PLAN. I was duly accepted as the Official City Historian at the time. I attended every Planning session possible and was an official advisor to the planning Board. I had private meetings with Mr. Duany who fine tuned the draft created by Asbury Partner's planner Clark, Caton & Hintz. My questions at public hearings revealed that visitors were not accounted for nor desired. That parking for beachgoers and ConHall/Casino users was not accounted for, and that this is to be a primarily residential development with amenities for the use of those residents. Recall that the explaination to the public was that the traditional destination Asbury Park was being abandoned in favor of year round high end residential development. The Land Use and Zoning in the plan goes to that end, It does not need to state it. I hope that clears up your concerns, Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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" Is still to build 3000+ high end Condos and a retail/commercial beachfront for the use of the condo dwellers." Werner, does the plan really mention that the retail/commercial area is designated for the soul purpose of the condo dwellers? I somehow doubt it does, but if i'm mistaken, sorry in advance... It sounds like you're intentionally inserting words to help with you're conclusion. So far what's been built on the boardwalk, and inside the CH arcade is for anyone who wants to enjoy it. Maybe it's not the sort of thing you wanted to see open? Is that why it then becomes marked for condo dwellers only???
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- > > .. Today, the transformation is complete and the Boardwalk now > combines the original majesty and glory of its past with modern design > and sophisticated conveniences. More than 130 years ago, the > Boardwalk's entertainment offerings and universal appeal contributed to > the foundation and success of Asbury Park. With its new appearance, > improvements and enhanced offerings, the Boardwalk is positioned to > help solidify Asbury Park's future by attracting visitors for lifetimes > to come. > == OOppps - Sorry to break the news, but... The (ill)legally adopted, approved, current, up to date, PLAN... Is still to build 3000+ high end Condos and a retail/commercial beachfront for the use of the condo dwellers. Outsiders need not apply. Until someone wakes up and amends/modifies the PLAN, thats what we are headed for. (just) Werner (lurking) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Of course things should have been done a long time ago. But
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"They are not modern, they are cheap. Thats the "new" trend in todays architecture sometimes refered to as placeless design or cartoon architecture." In my opinion, they are modern. But, to each their own! You have the right to think what you want, just like I do! :-) "Basics like massing, details and color are mismatched or out of scale. Certainly you have seen the trend in suburban malls and housing developments." I don't think the colors are mismatched at all. That's one of the main features that give it it's modern flare in my opinion. "You mention brick buildings, brick has texture, creates shadow lines, has variations in color - a much better look thats traditional and interesting." That's usually true with bricks, although not with the bricks that were used previously! They were solid yellow bricks. A type of brick that were frequently used in the 60's and also before. They were real bricks, in good shape, but they gave a dated look in my opinion. They reminded me of an old fashioned 1970's building. The kind that stands out with an obvious dated look! Just my thoughts.
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--- .. Today, the transformation is complete and the Boardwalk now combines the original majesty and glory of its past with modern design and sophisticated conveniences. More than 130 years ago, the Boardwalk's entertainment offerings and universal appeal contributed to the foundation and success of Asbury Park. With its new appearance, improvements and enhanced offerings, the Boardwalk is positioned to help solidify Asbury Park's future by attracting visitors for lifetimes to come. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I do not think everyone is on the same page. When I read through this string I became very confused. I suggest as a starting point that you run a Google search on what AP looked like in 2002, a Ghost town. http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/nj/asburypark.html Rotting buildings, no one on the street, or board walk for that matter... Then, the BW itself was rebuilt, I think in 2003. I bought a house here in 2004, and the BW area was still pretty much dead, but Cookman had some new cool stuff. It was around that time that the entire city went under construction. New shops on Cookman, new restaurants, First Nights started... Buidings all around Asbury were purchased, renovated, turned into condos. Not just the big ones with the hype, all over the place and it is still happening. Our condo inventory is insane. Even before that time, people had moved in and renovated the beautiful old homes all over the city. Now it is hard to find a house on the East side of Main that HASN'T been renovated. There are still a couple, but not many. Then Asbury Partners started putting some paint on the buildings on BW and some shops came to the BW. Then the Tiki Bar. More and more people started coming to AP, but these were minor fixes (on the BW, no major changes, except teh demo of part of teh Casino and the C8 structure). Then, the North Beach condos and Wesley Lake condos came in (these are just about done). There was suppose to be the Esperanza project (that is the steel structure that you see on Ocean) but construction has ceased at this time. Then Madison Marquette came in last winter and took over Wesley Grove, and vowed to redo the BW, and do it right. What you see now on the BW is the renovation of the pavillions, which were already there by MM. MM is also renovating the Casino and Convention Hall- these are historic buildings. So when people talk about last 6 months, they are referring to the BW pavillions and the two historic buildings (and the recent demolition of some buildings in the redevelopment zone). If you talk about 6 years, you have to look at the whole city, which has changed in a HUGE way. If you sun searches, look at pics, read old articles, you can start putting the story together of our changing city. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > They are not modern, they are cheap. Thats the "new" trend in todays > architecture sometimes refered to as placeless design or cartoon > architecture. > > Basics like massing, details and color are mismatched or out of > scale. Certainly you have seen the trend in suburban malls and > housing developments. > > For example the one in the middle of the beach with the blue ends, > large windowless walls of a solid color. Or the really cool one by > the convention center, its obvious it was a really unique building, > Ive seen postcards of it. > > I guess I expected well designed, attractive buldings when I visited > based on all the media hype. > > You mention brick buildings, brick has texture, creates shadow > lines, has variations in color - a much better look thats > traditional and interesting. > > You make fair points... however its important to note that the buildings are not complete yet. There is still much work to be done in terms of canopys, awnings, trims, railings, doors, signage, and other details. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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They are not modern, they are cheap. Thats the "new" trend in todays architecture sometimes refered to as placeless design or cartoon architecture. Basics like massing, details and color are mismatched or out of scale. Certainly you have seen the trend in suburban malls and housing developments. For example the one in the middle of the beach with the blue ends, large windowless walls of a solid color. Or the really cool one by the convention center, its obvious it was a really unique building, Ive seen postcards of it. I guess I expected well designed, attractive buldings when I visited based on all the media hype. You mention brick buildings, brick has texture, creates shadow lines, has variations in color - a much better look thats traditional and interesting. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > " > Reminds me of all the classic strip malls I see getting the fake > > victorian make overs. Not to mention the new strip malls. Everything > > looks the same and fake." > > What? How do you think they all look the same? All the buildings are the same style, modern. But, I don't know if it's a true statement to say that anything else you see around looks like them? Use some of the previous plain yellow brick buildings as examples. How were they unique? The same style buildings can be found in near by Spring Lake. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Once again Im not certain what you mean, what does available space have to do with quality architecture? The space available can be well designed buildings or not. Its still the same space. I'm refering to the buildings, but those containers are not attractive either. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" wrote: > > > > > > I read a lot about striving for great architechture in that local > > paper - the TriCities. Didn't anyone care about it? > > > > > > > > There is only so much space on the boards themselves to build. They > have to maximize every inch of that space. That's why you have the "pop- > up" retail - the converted storage units. What gets developed west of > ocean ave could be unique. > > Time will tell - might be 1, 5 or 10 years... > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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" There is only so much space on the boards themselves to build. They have to maximize every inch of that space. That's why you have the "pop- up" retail - the converted storage units. What gets developed west of ocean ave could be unique. Time will tell - might be 1, 5 or 10 years..." Oak - Are you implying that the buildings on the boardwalk are not good or well designed? That's how i read it, not sure if that's what you had intended or not. Almost like the boardwalk is the way it is, but we can hope for better on the west side of ocean ave. I think the boardwalk buildings are nice. I mean, it's true, their not that different or stand out features. But were the ones before really that stand out themselves? Yea, one could argue we had the chance, and we should have went all out. Ah, I don't know.
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" Reminds me of all the classic strip malls I see getting the fake victorian make overs. Not to mention the new strip malls. Everything looks the same and fake." What? How do you think they all look the same? All the buildings are the same style, modern. But, I don't know if it's a true statement to say that anything else you see around looks like them? Use some of the previous plain yellow brick buildings as examples. How were they unique? The same style buildings can be found in near by Spring Lake.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I read a lot about striving for great architechture in that local > paper - the TriCities. Didn't anyone care about it? > > > There is only so much space on the boards themselves to build. They have to maximize every inch of that space. That's why you have the "pop- up" retail - the converted storage units. What gets developed west of ocean ave could be unique. Time will tell - might be 1, 5 or 10 years... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks for the background, but I still dont get it. It took 6 years to get started ?? The things you mention about reconstruction are just a normal part of any building rehab. Its done all over the place, not a big deal. You ask what kind of buidings would be good. All of your choices have some merit, some more; some less. But colored concrete cubes ??? That should not even be in the running. Reminds me of all the classic strip malls I see getting the fake victorian make overs. Not to mention the new strip malls. Everything looks the same and fake. I read a lot about striving for great architechture in that local paper - the TriCities. Didn't anyone care about it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" wrote: > > > >> at least not in my book. Especially when considering the cool old > > buildings on the boards. > > > > What are they thinking? I'm a visual kind of person and it doesnt > > look good. > > > > > The past six months is when things took shape -a t elast on the BW. > > Convention Hall and Casino are the onyl2 "old buildings" on the > boardwalk. 5th Ave with bandshell and the "round building" are from the > early 60's in an attempt at the point in time to draw people or was > inspired from the Worlds Fair in NYC. "Modern or futuristic" > > The first ave building was more or less dull. The 3rd ave building was > crumbling apart. > > Since mid feb of this year, the have been rebuilt. First ave almost > down to steel frame and new framing. 3rd ave all the old block, > concrete, roof etc, 5th ave , CH and more. Loads of work in a short > period of time. Streets, mini golf, lots. > > Like night and day even from last year's minor Madison Marquette > participation. > > The question is - what type of building WOULD be "correct" for the > boardwalk? Victorian? Modern? Futuristic, Fun? Brick, wood, stucco, > glass?? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> at least not in my book. Especially when considering the cool old > buildings on the boards. > > What are they thinking? I'm a visual kind of person and it doesnt > look good. > The past six months is when things took shape -a t elast on the BW. Convention Hall and Casino are the onyl2 "old buildings" on the boardwalk. 5th Ave with bandshell and the "round building" are from the early 60's in an attempt at the point in time to draw people or was inspired from the Worlds Fair in NYC. "Modern or futuristic" The first ave building was more or less dull. The 3rd ave building was crumbling apart. Since mid feb of this year, the have been rebuilt. First ave almost down to steel frame and new framing. 3rd ave all the old block, concrete, roof etc, 5th ave , CH and more. Loads of work in a short period of time. Streets, mini golf, lots. Like night and day even from last year's minor Madison Marquette participation. The question is - what type of building WOULD be "correct" for the boardwalk? Victorian? Modern? Futuristic, Fun? Brick, wood, stucco, glass?? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" wrote: > > > > > > Why is construction on the boardwalk not finished, I understood that > > Memorial Day was the drop dead date ? > > > > > As Forrest said, "it happens" > > Welcome. > > As far as the boardwalk goes, if you were never here - it's pretty > amazing as what has shaped up over the past 6 months. Still a long way > to go. > > The condos - if you can't sell them, don't build them. All those new > lots are at least cleaned up and serving a purpose for now. > > It's not just AP, it's everywhere. Largest number of houses on the > market for the longst period of time. > === Thank You, Not sure what you mean be 'it happens' ? Im really impressed by the convention center, such a cool building, but the rest of the area is a disappointment. I mean, I followed all the hype years ago when it was on TV with Springsteen and all. That must be about 6 years at least. Your saying they have been working on this for only 6 months ?? What happened? The marketing and hype doesnt match the product. Multicolored concrete buildings do not pass for good architecchture, at least not in my book. Especially when considering the cool old buildings on the boards. What are they thinking? I'm a visual kind of person and it doesnt look good. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "New Beetoap" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why is construction on the boardwalk not finished, I understood that > Memorial Day was the drop dead date ? > > As Forrest said, "it happens" Welcome. As far as the boardwalk goes, if you were never here - it's pretty amazing as what has shaped up over the past 6 months. Still a long way to go. The condos - if you can't sell them, don't build them. All those new lots are at least cleaned up and serving a purpose for now. It's not just AP, it's everywhere. Largest number of houses on the market for the longst period of time. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
