Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[charlie]

 Whoa... No hard feelings here..  And nice background info there 
about yourself!  Your posting name looked different to me for some reason.  
Sorry...  My yahoo i.d. sometimes comes up different on my end.  So does my 
messenger, it's strange.  Yes, I know you're not new.  However, I DID 
NOT post a question asking if a new museum should come to be.  I simply 
commented a short comment on a previous post, that it may be a neat idea.  
Because it would showcase the history of AP's music scene.  AP indeed does have 
one.
 I thought the music heritage scene of AP was something worth saving, or 
holding onto?  I've seen numerous postings about how music was the best way to 
market AP, becasue it's real, and not something forced onto a place.  It is and 
was AP.




  

[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[wernerapnj]

> =
> 
> Unfortunately, that applies to all the good ideas proposed for 
> Asbury Park.
> 
> - a light transit monorail to the Seaview Mall site
> - an IMAX Theater
> - recording and movie production sound stage facilities
> - an amusement museum with a REAL Carousel and the oldest Wheel
> - a HoverCraft terminal linked to AC and NYC
> - a science/technology site for wave based alternative energy
> - ...
> - a real live Theater Organ in a Historic building
> 
>  blah, blah, blah
> 
> Really missed the boat in Asbury Park
> 
==

Oh, and one more:

- ignore history/heritage/tourism based economics, plow down as much 
as possible and build 3000+ Condominiums 

Yah, thats that ticket. Worked real well.

NOT !

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
  Unfortunately, the people behind 
> the idea do not have money and the people with money don't have 
the 
> foresight.

=

Unfortunately, that applies to all the good ideas proposed for 
Asbury Park.

- a light transit monorail to the Seaview Mall site
- an IMAX Theater
- recording and movie production sound stage facilities
- an amusement museum with a REAL Carousel and the oldest Wheel
- a HoverCraft terminal linked to AC and NYC
- a science/technology site for wave based alternative energy
- ...
- a real live Theater Organ in a Historic building

 blah, blah, blah

Really missed the boat in Asbury Park

Werner





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[lightgrw]

The original ideas were NOT for a ROCK and ROLL museum - it was a museum 
highlighting the entire history of music in New Jersey.  This history, 
in case you're not familiar with the artists, is pretty extensive.  In 
fact, many musical firsts throughout our country's history were done or 
created by people from Jersey.

Rock, pop, opera, jazz, hip-hop, country, etc.For example, Newark, 
New Jersey was one of the top cities in the world for jazz musicians 
while artists like Frank Sinatra remain one of the biggest names in the 
world.

This museum idea would bring crowds.  Unfortunately, the people behind 
the idea do not have money and the people with money don't have the 
foresight.


jennanna13 wrote:
>
> Oh boy-
> Do we really think that a ANOTHER rock and roll museum is needed in 
> Asbury Park?
> Wouldn't it be cooler to recreate another great time in Asbury Park 
> instead of continuing
> to live in the past and talk about it over and over again..It seems to 
> be as bad as making
> the stone pony a theme restaurant..
>
> Wouldnt you rather have a theater that was used for cultural events 
> like burlesque,
> theater, spoken word, that would bring a more refined taste...maybe, 
> just maybe???
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
> , "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Wake up MM!
> >
> > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame adds NYC location
> >
> > Mayor Bloomberg is expected to announce Wednesday that the
> > Cleveland-based museum and hall of fame is opening an annex in
> > downtown Manhattan.
> >
> > Print Email Add a comment
> >
> > (AP) - The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is coming to New York.
> >
> > Mayor Michael Bloomberg is expected to announce Wednesday that the
> > Cleveland-based museum and hall of fame is opening an annex in
> > downtown Manhattan.
> >
> > Billy Joel and Clive Davis are going to join the mayor at the location
> > in the SoHo neighborhood. It will be the first time the hall of fame
> > has expanded outside Cleveland.
> >
> > The 25,000-square-foot annex will house Bruce Springsteen's 1957 Chevy
> > and will feature a number of different exhibits, including one
> > featuring New York City-based sites that have musical significance.
> >
> > ©Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
> > may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
> >
>
>  




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[sharon_b283]

As Emily Litella, from Saturday Night Live would say:  

NEVER MIND!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sharon -  
> 
>     "Oh boy-
>  Do we really think that a ANOTHER rock and roll museum is needed in 
> 
> Asbury Park?  Wouldn't it be cooler to recreate another great time
in Asbury Park 
> 
> instead of continuing to live in the past and talk about it over and
over again..It seems 
> 
> to be as bad as making the stone pony a theme restaurant.."
> 
>     I don't know who wrote that, but that part did not come from
me.  Just the part that responded to it.  Was that you that said
this?  I don't even know!  I'd be interested to know what "OTHER"
museum exists. I know of none except for the pictures inside the
Stone Pony.
>     I just commented that it could be neat to have another museum
type place, paired along with another form of entertainment.  A lot of
stuff has happened in AP over the last 50 plus years.  It's places
like that that go along with the dream of making AP "something"
again.  let people know what was here, and what things are still going
on today.  Otherwise things could just get swept away, Ap could blur
in with every other beach town.  Or has it already?
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[sharon_b283]

YOU're the one, asking should AP have another museum, not me.  I took
it to mean what I posted.  Tongue in cheek.  Since I live and pay
taxes here, I have the option of speaking FOR Asbury Park.  Museums
give a City character and prestige, just as the new eateries and shops
do. It means that the residents are cultured and believe in preserving
the past.  You know full well, that I'm not new, as you put it, in
this group.  I'm that "other" group; you know, the dominant group in
Asbury; the Blacks!  I vote, I matter and I count!  I'm unashamed of
my rich heritage and culture.  I should know; I was born and raised in
New Orleans, Roman Catholic by birth, 5th generation of Catholics from
slavery, in a predominantly Catholic area.  I still have family and
friends there.

I came here, in 1968, to visit, look the place over and see if I'd
care, to live here.  I moved here, in 1970, after the riots.  If you
ask 10 people what caused the riot, you get 10 different answers, from
"natives".  I've heard rumors, bad and good about this place, but this
much I do know, some of the finest human beings live, work and play
here.  Asbury Park, is a place with a heart and soul.  Many came here
for all the right reasons.  There ARE posters, who don't live here,
but grew up as you did, elsewhere, (I'm assuming).

Not being a native, I don't have that much room to talk either, but to
some, I've been here so long, I'm spoken to, as though I came WITH the
place.  I love that.  I love the honor and respect I get in the most
unexpected places.  When stories are related to me of past years, I
remind the speaker, that I didn't grow up here and I'm told, "Well you
MISSED it", while I chuckle away.

Hey, I forgot; opinions are like your rear end, everybody has one.  If
I've insulted you, I humbly apologize!  A REAL woman isn't to big to
say she's sorry!  Remember that.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "This is an Asbury Park Group and you live in Ocean Twp., so what's 
> 
> your problem?  So, should the museum be in Ocean Twp.?  Just asking."
> 
>  What's my problem?!  What's yours??? ...   I think maybe you
are new to the group, since I havn't seen your name posting to often. 
What difference does it matter where someone lives? Half the people on
here are not from Ap, or are only there on weekends.  Everyone on this
group, for the most part, has the same intentions.  To make AP the
best it can be, or discuss different things going on in the city.
>       Not sure what point you are trying to make..If the
museum represents AP's music scene, both past and present, what good
would it do being located in Ocean twp??? 
>





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[charlie]

Sharon -  

    "Oh boy-
 Do we really think that a ANOTHER rock and roll museum is needed in 

Asbury Park?  Wouldn't it be cooler to recreate another great time in Asbury 
Park 

instead of continuing to live in the past and talk about it over and over 
again..It seems 

to be as bad as making the stone pony a theme restaurant.."

    I don't know who wrote that, but that part did not come from me.  Just the 
part that responded to it.  Was that you that said this?  I don't even know!  
I'd be interested to know what "OTHER" museum exists. I know of none except 
for the pictures inside the Stone Pony.
    I just commented that it could be neat to have another museum type place, 
paired along with another form of entertainment.  A lot of stuff has happened 
in AP over the last 50 plus years.  It's places like that that go along with 
the dream of making AP "something" again.  let people know what was here, and 
what things are still going on today.  Otherwise things could just get swept 
away, Ap could blur in with every other beach town.  Or has it already?



  

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[charlie]

"This is an Asbury Park Group and you live in Ocean Twp., so what's 

your problem?  So, should the museum be in Ocean Twp.?  Just asking."

 What's my problem?!  What's yours??? ...   I think maybe you are new to 
the group, since I havn't seen your name posting to often.  What difference 
does it matter where someone lives? Half the people on here are not from Ap, or 
are only there on weekends.  Everyone on this group, for the most part, has the 
same intentions.  To make AP the best it can be, or discuss different things 
going on in the city.
      Not sure what point you are trying to make..If the museum 
represents AP's music scene, both past and present, what good would it do being 
located in Ocean twp???  



  

[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[sharon_b283]

This is an Asbury Park Group and you live in Ocean Twp., so what's 
your problem?  So, should the museum be in Ocean Twp.?  Just asking.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Oh boy-
> 
> Do we really think that a ANOTHER rock and roll museum is needed in 
Asbury Park?
> 
> Wouldn't it be cooler to recreate another great time in Asbury Park 
instead of continuing 
> 
> to live in the past and talk about it over and over again..It seems 
to be as bad as making 
> 
> the stone pony a theme restaurant..
> 
> 
> 
> Wouldnt you rather have a theater that was used for cultural events 
like burlesque, 
> 
> theater, spoken word, that would bring a more refined 
taste...maybe, just maybe???"
> 
>  I was too young to even remember the first rock n roll hall of 
fame.  I don't think wanting a new one for the present day is living 
in the past It seems like it was a neat place.  
>  I think some old AP should be worked into the beach front.  I 
like the direction the new beachfront/boardwalk is going in.  I can 
see the vision, although it may be blurry at the moment.  HOWEVER, 
some old school AP is much needed in the waterfront.  As Werner has 
said over and over, AP is fading away.  
>  I like the new, but we need to recapture some of the old AP 
boardwalk ideas.  Things people will remember.  Things that use to be 
noted as being an AP "thing."  I like the oversized "fun" features of 
the water park becasue it gives off a certain feeling.  A feeling of 
boardwalk rides and fun.  Since we will most likely never see real 
rides again on the boardwalk, these features of the water park trick 
the eye.  They promote that classic board walk feeling without having 
to actually have a lot of the rides and amusemnts (something that 
many don't want anyway).
>





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[charlie]

"Oh boy-

Do we really think that a ANOTHER rock and roll museum is needed in Asbury Park?

Wouldn't it be cooler to recreate another great time in Asbury Park instead of 
continuing 

to live in the past and talk about it over and over again..It seems to be as 
bad as making 

the stone pony a theme restaurant..



Wouldnt you rather have a theater that was used for cultural events like 
burlesque, 

theater, spoken word, that would bring a more refined taste...maybe, just 
maybe???"

 I was too young to even remember the first rock n roll hall of fame.  I 
don't think wanting a new one for the present day is living in the past It 
seems like it was a neat place.  
 I think some old AP should be worked into the beach front.  I like the 
direction the new beachfront/boardwalk is going in.  I can see the vision, 
although it may be blurry at the moment.  HOWEVER, some old school AP is much 
needed in the waterfront.  As Werner has said over and over, AP is fading 
away.  
 I like the new, but we need to recapture some of the old AP boardwalk 
ideas.  Things people will remember.  Things that use to be noted as being an 
AP "thing."  I like the oversized "fun" features of the water park becasue it 
gives off a certain feeling.  A feeling of boardwalk rides and fun.  Since we 
will most likely never see real rides again on the boardwalk, these features of 
the water park trick the eye.  They promote that classic board walk feeling 
without having to actually have a lot of the rides and amusemnts (something 
that many don't want anyway).



  

[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[sandpiper15]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jennanna13" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oh boy-
> Do we really think that a ANOTHER rock and roll museum is needed in 
Asbury Park?
> Wouldn't it be cooler to recreate another great time in Asbury Park 
instead of continuing 
> to live in the past and talk about it over and over again..It seems 
to be as bad as making 
> the stone pony a theme restaurant..
> 
> Wouldnt you rather have a theater that was used for cultural events 
like burlesque, 
> theater, spoken word, that would bring a more refined taste...maybe, 
just maybe???
> 

There is room for both, no?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heshy R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Another" rock'n'roll museum? Where's the current one? The 
ephemerae in the walls, bars, & tables of the Pony? To the best of my 
knowledge, the last rock'n'roll museum in Asbury closed with the 
Palace in 1989. 
>  


That's why CH and The Paramount are coming back to life. When it's 
open, people will come. The next trcik to have a palce to stay when 
they come or get them to com BACK when NOTHING is going on.

That's why I think you will see more and more show dates in the 
Winter and by next summer, I would expect you will see something in 
CH and Paramount every weekend. 

And here's a thought how the city can earn MORE revenue off CH and 
the Paramount. Ink a deal with Partners and MM to add $1.75 (a 
number) onto every ticket (or even $1.00).  No one will notice. 

When the City ran CH, they would get costs for Security or a cut of 
ticket sales - if I recall correctly.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[Heshy R]

"Another" rock'n'roll museum? Where's the current one? The ephemerae in the 
walls, bars, & tables of the Pony? To the best of my knowledge, the last 
rock'n'roll museum in Asbury closed with the Palace in 1989. 
 
Some people may consider their tastes too 'refined' for the low or middle brow 
called rock'n'roll, but the simple fact is, along with everything else, 
rock'n'roll has been a major part of AP's cultural landscape. It would be 
extremely foolish, both culturally and economically, not to capitalize on it.
 
The same thing happened when the former site of the Cavern Club in Liverpool 
was bricked up. The city fathers at the time failed to realize how 
Betales-related tourism was a boon to the local economy, which was in dire need 
of a boost. Since then it was reopened, after a fashion, and thankfully the 
city began opening their eyes and minds to the fact that such music tourism 
could only help, not hurt. 
 
 
 


  

[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[jennanna13]

Oh boy-
Do we really think that a ANOTHER rock and roll museum is needed in Asbury Park?
Wouldn't it be cooler to recreate another great time in Asbury Park instead of 
continuing 
to live in the past and talk about it over and over again..It seems to be as 
bad as making 
the stone pony a theme restaurant..

Wouldnt you rather have a theater that was used for cultural events like 
burlesque, 
theater, spoken word, that would bring a more refined taste...maybe, just 
maybe???






--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wake up MM!
> 
> Rock and Roll Hall of Fame adds NYC location
> 
> Mayor Bloomberg is expected to announce Wednesday that the
> Cleveland-based museum and hall of fame is opening an annex in
> downtown Manhattan.
> 
>Print EmailAdd a comment  
> 
> (AP) - The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is coming to New York.
> 
> Mayor Michael Bloomberg is expected to announce Wednesday that the
> Cleveland-based museum and hall of fame is opening an annex in
> downtown Manhattan.
> 
> Billy Joel and Clive Davis are going to join the mayor at the location
> in the SoHo neighborhood. It will be the first time the hall of fame
> has expanded outside Cleveland.
> 
> The 25,000-square-foot annex will house Bruce Springsteen's 1957 Chevy
> and will feature a number of different exhibits, including one
> featuring New York City-based sites that have musical significance.
> 
> ©Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material
> may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[dapawprint]

Personally, I would just approach Caroline O'Toole and ask if the sign 
could be removed or relocated.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Okay, regarding the sign... so if you look at the website on the sign 
> (njcoors.com), it links to a site that has a list of events for 
> different bars around the shore. The Stone Pony does not have any 
> events or even advertise on that site.  The sign could be outdated 
> since it was put up last year, as it also says coors light summer 
> concert series (I'm assuming they were part of this in 2007 when the 
> sign went up). So that does not provide a reason as to why the sign 
is 
> up.
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[arcman210]

Okay, regarding the sign... so if you look at the website on the sign 
(njcoors.com), it links to a site that has a list of events for 
different bars around the shore. The Stone Pony does not have any 
events or even advertise on that site.  The sign could be outdated 
since it was put up last year, as it also says coors light summer 
concert series (I'm assuming they were part of this in 2007 when the 
sign went up). So that does not provide a reason as to why the sign is 
up. 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[sandpiper15]

> For those of you who dont know what I'm talking about:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2351384725/sizes/o/
>

Good lord. Why don't they just replace the Stone Pony sign with one 
that says "Hunka Bunka" and be done with it already? (Come to think of 
it, that's likely the precise reaction they're trying to elicit.)

As to Charlie's point about the Pony never being high end - True, but 
there is a difference between divey and schlocky. Think Plum Street vs. 
D'Jais. 





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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Coors probably isnt paying to keep that up there... thats why its 
> bothersome. Its just slapped on the building for no reason. If they 
> wanted to put it on the building, they should have put it on the 
inside 
> with the summerstage. I think thats where it was before...
>
===

There are signage ordinances, regarding how large, what message, etc..

Perhaps someone shold look into it.

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[arcman210]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sharon_b283" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Ug!  Take it down!  Is MM getting a "kickback" from Coors?  NO!  
> They just need permission from the owner to put it up!  May be a 
> discount on the beer?  Don't know what you get beside some free T-
> shirts and hats!  They offer hideous schitt to our club and all we 
> want are patriotic items!  They look like stuff out in the wild-wild 
> west!
> 

Coors probably isnt paying to keep that up there... thats why its 
bothersome. Its just slapped on the building for no reason. If they 
wanted to put it on the building, they should have put it on the inside 
with the summerstage. I think thats where it was before... 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[sharon_b283]

Absolutely!  There's NOTHING historic about Coor's light, except to 
Anheuser-Busch!  Since this is an Asbury Park Group, why wasn't a 
sign requesting the history of AP?  Oh, too easy? Still tacky!  Hear 
that, MM?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "
> Yeah. Its pretty hideous, in my opinion.  Tacky and cheap.. and out 
of 
> 
> place.  It was designed for the side of a stage or canopy, not to 
be 
> 
> bolted to the building. Its further neglect to a building which 
should 
> 
> be respected and treated like an imporant part of the city history. 
Am 
> 
> I the only one who feels this way?"
> 
>  Oh okay.  The buidling or club was never high end.  It has 
always been "tacky and cheap" to a certain extant.  When was it ever 
anything else?  If it ever became too neat, or too well lit, the days 
of the Stone Pony would be over.  Because it would have then been 
transformed into something else.
>  I see your point to a certain extent though...  The fact that 
the sign may have been designed for a different use is the only 
factor that bothers you?  Or all signs in general..?
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[sharon_b283]

Ug!  Take it down!  Is MM getting a "kickback" from Coors?  NO!  
They just need permission from the owner to put it up!  May be a 
discount on the beer?  Don't know what you get beside some free T-
shirts and hats!  They offer hideous schitt to our club and all we 
want are patriotic items!  They look like stuff out in the wild-wild 
west!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie  wrote:
> >
> > " And would someone please 
> > 
> > > explain to me why that giant triangular coors light 
advertisement 
> is 
> > 
> > > necessary or even allowed?"
> > 
> >  Are you serious? 
> >
> 
> Yeah. Its pretty hideous, in my opinion.  Tacky and cheap.. and out 
of 
> place.  It was designed for the side of a stage or canopy, not to 
be 
> bolted to the building. Its further neglect to a building which 
should 
> be respected and treated like an imporant part of the city history. 
Am 
> I the only one who feels this way? 
> 
> For those of you who dont know what I'm talking about:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2351384725/sizes/o/
>





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[charlie]

 I just checked out your link.  Interesting.  That sign use to be on the 
fence, didn't realize it ended up on the building.  



  

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[charlie]

"
Yeah. Its pretty hideous, in my opinion.  Tacky and cheap.. and out of 

place.  It was designed for the side of a stage or canopy, not to be 

bolted to the building. Its further neglect to a building which should 

be respected and treated like an imporant part of the city history. Am 

I the only one who feels this way?"

 Oh okay.  The buidling or club was never high end.  It has always been 
"tacky and cheap" to a certain extant.  When was it ever anything else?  If it 
ever became too neat, or too well lit, the days of the Stone Pony would be 
over.  Because it would have then been transformed into something else.
 I see your point to a certain extent though...  The fact that the sign may 
have been designed for a different use is the only factor that bothers you?  Or 
all signs in general..?



  

[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Yeah. Its pretty hideous, in my opinion.  Tacky and cheap.. and out 
of 
> place.  It was designed for the side of a stage or canopy, not to be 
> bolted to the building. Its further neglect to a building which 
should 
> be respected and treated like an imporant part of the city history. 
Am 
> I the only one who feels this way? 
> 
> For those of you who dont know what I'm talking about:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2351384725/sizes/o/
>


No you're not the only one.

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[arcman210]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> " And would someone please 
> 
> > explain to me why that giant triangular coors light advertisement 
is 
> 
> > necessary or even allowed?"
> 
>  Are you serious? 
>

Yeah. Its pretty hideous, in my opinion.  Tacky and cheap.. and out of 
place.  It was designed for the side of a stage or canopy, not to be 
bolted to the building. Its further neglect to a building which should 
be respected and treated like an imporant part of the city history. Am 
I the only one who feels this way? 

For those of you who dont know what I'm talking about:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2351384725/sizes/o/




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[charlie]

" And would someone please 

> explain to me why that giant triangular coors light advertisement is 

> necessary or even allowed?"

 Are you serious?  



  

[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[oakdorf]

> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Back in 
> > 2000, I was in Hannover Germany for the European MTV music awards,
> and I was wearing 
> > my "Vaccaro Guitars" tee shirt, proudly emblazened with "Asbury
> Park". A rather large 
> > group of extremely attractive German women singled me out from the
> crowd, asking all 
> > sorts of questions about Asbury Park, Bruce, Bon Jovi etc. One
> offered me $200 for the 


 $250 -  give me the directions and the shirt. 






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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[Jack Pitzer]

Thanks Dan! I needed that. I've lost 26lbs in the past 3 weeks doing a cleanse 
diet, and 
every little bit of positive thinking helps.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Back in 
> > 2000, I was in Hannover Germany for the European MTV music awards,
> and I was wearing 
> > my "Vaccaro Guitars" tee shirt, proudly emblazened with "Asbury
> Park". A rather large 
> > group of extremely attractive German women singled me out from the
> crowd, asking all 
> > sorts of questions about Asbury Park, Bruce, Bon Jovi etc. One
> offered me $200 for the 
> > shirt. I turned it down, and despite how beat up it is, I still wear
> it to this day.
> 
> Think positive. The t-shirt had nothing to do with it.
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You see that cherry black Charger the guy in the cowboy hat had in
> front there this weekend. I almost traded him my dog for the car.
>

do that, then I'll trade my dog for your Rover...




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Not only that, but the Stone Pony itself is worthy enough for people 
> to actually drive from all over the country to get a picture of 
> themselves and sometimes their car in front of it.

You see that cherry black Charger the guy in the cowboy hat had in
front there this weekend. I almost traded him my dog for the car.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Back in 
> 2000, I was in Hannover Germany for the European MTV music awards,
and I was wearing 
> my "Vaccaro Guitars" tee shirt, proudly emblazened with "Asbury
Park". A rather large 
> group of extremely attractive German women singled me out from the
crowd, asking all 
> sorts of questions about Asbury Park, Bruce, Bon Jovi etc. One
offered me $200 for the 
> shirt. I turned it down, and despite how beat up it is, I still wear
it to this day.

Think positive. The t-shirt had nothing to do with it.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>So where do they put the annex? Hollywood 
> East, just six stops south of Mr. Wenner's offices. How convenient.


But he lives on the UWS






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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> .and the horrendous, inappropriate, overly bright, glaring, 
> industrial light fixtures.
> 
> :-(
> 
> Werner
>

theyre all falling over, missing, burned out, etc...

i guess they figure the worse and worse they make the building look, 
the easier it will be to tell people it has to go.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[wernerapnj]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Not only that, but the Stone Pony itself is worthy enough for people 
> to actually drive from all over the country to get a picture of 
> themselves and sometimes their car in front of it.  That alone is 
> proof of the lure of the music history. And yet they treat the 
> building like the ones that are slated to be demolished, with 
> temporary sidewalks and broken facades... not to mention the overdue 
> cleaning and paint job the building needs. And would someone please 
> explain to me why that giant triangular coors light advertisement is 
> necessary or even allowed?
>


.and the horrendous, inappropriate, overly bright, glaring, 
industrial light fixtures.

:-(

Werner




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[cwpvt]

I agree!! A friend of mines cousins are coming over from France next 
year, they want to go to Asbury park, number one on there list, 
before NYC or DC. They are big Bruce fans, even though they can't 
speak more than 20 words in English!  Someone needs a way to tap into 
that and make some money!  Graceland is real good at seperating 
tourist from cash, someone could do the same here!


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer"  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but I've seen reports on CNN today talking about Bruce's 
car, 
> and just now while 
> > listening to NPR it was one of todays top stories. Bruce's car in 
> NYC, not Asbury Park.
> > Any well done music museum at our boardwalk would be a tourist 
> attraction, especially 
> > one that honors Bruce. I have no doubt that we'd even get 
European 
> tourists to visit such a 
> > museum, since Europe is full of Bruce and Bon Jovi fans. I know 
> this for a fact. Back in 
> > 2000, I was in Hannover Germany for the European MTV music 
awards, 
> and I was wearing 
> > my "Vaccaro Guitars" tee shirt, proudly emblazened with "Asbury 
> Park". A rather large 
> > group of extremely attractive German women singled me out from 
the 
> crowd, asking all 
> > sorts of questions about Asbury Park, Bruce, Bon Jovi etc. One 
> offered me $200 for the 
> > shirt. I turned it down, and despite how beat up it is, I still 
> wear it to this day.
> > 
> 
> Not only that, but the Stone Pony itself is worthy enough for 
people 
> to actually drive from all over the country to get a picture of 
> themselves and sometimes their car in front of it.  That alone is 
> proof of the lure of the music history. And yet they treat the 
> building like the ones that are slated to be demolished, with 
> temporary sidewalks and broken facades... not to mention the 
overdue 
> cleaning and paint job the building needs. And would someone please 
> explain to me why that giant triangular coors light advertisement 
is 
> necessary or even allowed?
>





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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[arcman210]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yeah, but I've seen reports on CNN today talking about Bruce's car, 
and just now while 
> listening to NPR it was one of todays top stories. Bruce's car in 
NYC, not Asbury Park.
> Any well done music museum at our boardwalk would be a tourist 
attraction, especially 
> one that honors Bruce. I have no doubt that we'd even get European 
tourists to visit such a 
> museum, since Europe is full of Bruce and Bon Jovi fans. I know 
this for a fact. Back in 
> 2000, I was in Hannover Germany for the European MTV music awards, 
and I was wearing 
> my "Vaccaro Guitars" tee shirt, proudly emblazened with "Asbury 
Park". A rather large 
> group of extremely attractive German women singled me out from the 
crowd, asking all 
> sorts of questions about Asbury Park, Bruce, Bon Jovi etc. One 
offered me $200 for the 
> shirt. I turned it down, and despite how beat up it is, I still 
wear it to this day.
> 

Not only that, but the Stone Pony itself is worthy enough for people 
to actually drive from all over the country to get a picture of 
themselves and sometimes their car in front of it.  That alone is 
proof of the lure of the music history. And yet they treat the 
building like the ones that are slated to be demolished, with 
temporary sidewalks and broken facades... not to mention the overdue 
cleaning and paint job the building needs. And would someone please 
explain to me why that giant triangular coors light advertisement is 
necessary or even allowed?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[Jack Pitzer]

Yeah, but I've seen reports on CNN today talking about Bruce's car, and just 
now while 
listening to NPR it was one of todays top stories. Bruce's car in NYC, not 
Asbury Park.
Any well done music museum at our boardwalk would be a tourist attraction, 
especially 
one that honors Bruce. I have no doubt that we'd even get European tourists to 
visit such a 
museum, since Europe is full of Bruce and Bon Jovi fans. I know this for a 
fact. Back in 
2000, I was in Hannover Germany for the European MTV music awards, and I was 
wearing 
my "Vaccaro Guitars" tee shirt, proudly emblazened with "Asbury Park". A rather 
large 
group of extremely attractive German women singled me out from the crowd, 
asking all 
sorts of questions about Asbury Park, Bruce, Bon Jovi etc. One offered me $200 
for the 
shirt. I turned it down, and despite how beat up it is, I still wear it to this 
day.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "sandpiper15" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Cleveland's role in the commercial growth of the music aside, no one 
> could genuinely argue that any city in the U.S. is more indispensible 
> to Rock and Roll than Memphis - another city desperately in need of an 
> economic shot in the arm. So where do they put the annex? Hollywood 
> East, just six stops south of Mr. Wenner's offices. How convenient. But 
> what to expect from an institution that thinks Madonna was a key player 
> in the history of the genre yet never seems to have heard of Wanda 
> Jackson?
> 
> The lesson for Asbury Park is to not put too much stock in Halls of 
> Fame. A straight ahead music museum, a la STAX, however, would be 
> perfect for the L lot around the Pony. 
> 
> Let SoHo have his Chevy. Hold out for the Harley! ;)
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[sandpiper15]

Cleveland's role in the commercial growth of the music aside, no one 
could genuinely argue that any city in the U.S. is more indispensible 
to Rock and Roll than Memphis - another city desperately in need of an 
economic shot in the arm. So where do they put the annex? Hollywood 
East, just six stops south of Mr. Wenner's offices. How convenient. But 
what to expect from an institution that thinks Madonna was a key player 
in the history of the genre yet never seems to have heard of Wanda 
Jackson?

The lesson for Asbury Park is to not put too much stock in Halls of 
Fame. A straight ahead music museum, a la STAX, however, would be 
perfect for the L lot around the Pony. 

Let SoHo have his Chevy. Hold out for the Harley! ;)








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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Pitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> But, we'll have fireworks tonight. Even that's getting redundant.
> 

Why are they still having the fireworks tonight? Theres a concert 
already taking place to draw people to the boardwalk. Hopefully theyre 
having them afterward, and not during the show so we can hear loud 
explosions while the show is going on.




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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

[Jack Pitzer]

The most obvious thing in the world is right under MM's eyes, and they don't 
even see it. 
The only that that truly brings crowds to AP is music. The boardwalk redev will 
attract the 
curious, and once they see that most of the pavilions contain high end retail, 
they probably 
won't come back for a second visit. Take Style Rocket for example. $75 shorts 
and tee 
shirts. Yeah, right. I went in, think it's a nice space, but there's no way I'm 
going to spend 
that kinda bucks on things that should cost a fraction of that. 
But tonight, we'll have Dylan, and it'll be packed.
MM should hop on an airplane and take a trip to Austin TX. Music IS the 
attraction there. 
Music, 24/7, all sorts of music, and all sorts of music history. We HAD music 
history right 
here in AP, and MM has pretty much ignored it. Some might disagree with me on 
that 
point, but I don't see the crowds here during the day that I've seen in Austin, 
and when 
there isn't an event at CH, Paramount or SP, it's still pretty dead compared to 
the other 
ocean front towns. We have acres of wasted space, with the hulk of C-8 part 2 
marring the 
view. At night time, we have a SP parking lot lit up like it's day time, thus 
ruining any 
kind've nighttime ambience that you'd want. The bandshell, that's just a crime. 
And, what 
about that ugly metal staircase on the north side of the 1st Ave pavilion? 
Totally out of  
place, no aesthetic value what so ever.
In case you haven't guessed, I'm no fan of MM. I think they've gotten it 
partially wrong. The 
wrong architect, the wrong  tenants for the boardwalk. They've done right with 
the CH and 
Paramount though, and I respect the work done there. But I still think the 
pavilions look 
like crap, not the old crap during the bad years, just a new kind of crap. 
Shipping 
containers make it look like a perpetual construction site. And the vanity MM 
and APP 
offices look like shit. Total eyesore. The renderings didn't show the ugly AC 
units, the 
lattice bullshit, none of that. I brought some people from up north to visit 
during my 
vacation, who work in the design field, and they just tore the look from inland 
to shreds. 
Is it better? Yes. Is it appropriate and well done, hell no. 
But, we'll have fireworks tonight. Even that's getting redundant.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny"  wrote:
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> 
> I suggested this earlier, another Q&A with MM would allow us to pick 
> their brains about things like the possibility of a music hall of fame. 
> Alot has changed in a year and it would be interesting to see if they 
> were actually serious about it when they said they were greatly 
> considering one. 
> 
> And I wonder how their casino "arena" plans are progressing, or if 2010 
> is still the target date. That was targeted initially as one potential 
> site.
> 
> Right now though, it doesnt seem like they really care or seem to be 
> that interested in a music hall of fame (or even the NJ hall of fame). 
> Or the bandshell...
>






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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I suggested this earlier, another Q&A with MM would allow us to pick 
their brains about things like the possibility of a music hall of fame. 
Alot has changed in a year and it would be interesting to see if they 
were actually serious about it when they said they were greatly 
considering one. 

And I wonder how their casino "arena" plans are progressing, or if 2010 
is still the target date. That was targeted initially as one potential 
site.

Right now though, it doesnt seem like they really care or seem to be 
that interested in a music hall of fame (or even the NJ hall of fame). 
Or the bandshell...






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[AsburyPark] Re: Insult to Injury - Bruce's car goes there

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Wake up MM!
> 
> Rock and Roll Hall of Fame adds NYC location
> 

That gives them a place to ship the stones from the Pony and that 
cinder block wall with Tillie.

AP can get his Range Rover




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