[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Docp, Not bitter at all. Just stating my opinion, under the 1st Amendment. You know, "free speech"? IMHO, The Dems are no better than the Repugs! They BOTH, want it ALL for themselves! Think the American Public is stupid and recruit people like you, to do their dirty work, FOR, them! I think Nancy Pelosi is a fraud and a sham, talks big, but is in bed WITH the Republicans! She's a millionaire and has no intention of sharing anything with us and you're RIGHT about them giving "just enough", to give Americans, the sense, that THEY, the DEMS are better than the Repugs. NEITHER are good for the US! War feeds their greedy pockets, while young men and women, from small towns all across the US fight their wars and die for nothing! Not anti-military, but Americans shouldn't get into wars to defend one despot over another. They're ALL crooked, ruling over fiefdoms, just like in the Middle Ages. Please read Early European History. MOST wars are fought over religion! We are supposed to be tolerant, which is the basis for creating this "so-called" Democracy. Ask yourself why early patriots "dressed up" as Indians, in the Boston Tea Party? So as NOT being recognized and being charged with treason. What they did was a treasonous act! I have a ton of books on how this nation was established. Mostly out of print books, beautifully bound! This country is not living up to its promise; "Freedom and Justice For ALL"! Bitter? No! Disappointed? Yes, because I believed everything, grownups said, when I was growing up. Have things changed? Some, but politicians who are against everyone enjoying American Freedom, only want it for themselves and they keep the poor at each other throats, while they fill their pockets with wealth, that should be fixing a crumbling infrastructure. No child should go to bed hungry. No veteran should be homeless. When precious jobs go overseas, WE lose! I may be the in the last generation that works for a company 25 years and receive a pension, if I'm lucky and I'm one of the few! We have had politicians, who preach one thing and espouse another, behind close doors. Strom Thurmond, comes to mind. A staunch racist, he had a brown baby with a woman who worked for his family. She was 16, he 21. Today, he'd be charged with statutory rape. It wasn't revealed until after his death. The woman, is about 80, now. Just one example and he was a Democrat, when Democrats were mostly southern and white men. We're in this group fighting, instead of coming together, for good. Asbury Park's history is either lost, stolen, (see the Palace/Casino/Movie Houses/Entertainment-see Wonder Bar), or strayed, all going to "hell in a hand-basket", while the people elected to "fix" Asbury Park, has SOLD her, down the river! Sad? You bet, when you can't hear the opinion of a free thinker, on a local radio show, or "do the circuit" anymore. A town without pity, for its' lessers and wonder why gangs proliferate and shootings are commonplace. Low expectations and no future! A town that has beautiful schools, but can't funnel the funds where they're supposed to put it, because of fiscal mismanagement, (pass boards), and a board with no home, of its own, to plan the education, of its' precious resources; its' children and seniors, wandering from place, to temporary place! You can't get a job here, unless you own the business, because City Hall jobs are "locked down", for its' own citizens, but open for everyone from "out of town"! I can get a job here, if I cut or style hair, wait tables or work for minimum wages. A solid citizen gets sent to jail, for no other reason than not "fixing" something, when he has the papers in his hands, to do just THAT! I'm glad though, we have good lawyers here, who really help people! A sad commentary on a city with so much promise, but not for me. This is not only Asbury Park, but everywhere you look; Long Branch, Neptune and Freehold, for starters. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sharon, > > You seem to be mighty bitter.? The democrats aim to keep the poor as poor.? Just enough entitlements to keep them poor.? They believe in the welfare nation.? Glad to see you love them so but please don't make blanket half truth lies about republicans. > > Semper Fi! > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Not interested in Bill Jefferson or Bill Clinton, but when did YOU ever fight for ME! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Some interesting tidbits about Rep Jefferson: ...Jefferson has received criticism for his actions in the aftermath > > "of Hurricane Katrina. > > Various bloggers have come up with nicknames of their own. These include, but are not limited to, "Mr. Freeze" and "Cold Cash Jefferson"." > > Yeah Sharon, the FBI set Dollar Bill up > I fought for your right to spout off but I would request you be more fair and balanced. YOU? You fought for me? When? Be careful, because my husband is retired military; Viet Nam, Gulf War 1 and this one! 4 years, U.S, Navy, 22 years, U.S. Army, for his Uncle Sam! You fought for me? My father was a Buffalo Soldier, 371st, 92nd Div., WWII, Anzio Italy! Look it up! You fought for me? My Uncle was at the Battle of the Bulge, came back shell shocked for life! Occupation before the war? Math Teacher! Could do Calculus in his head! Other Uncle, US Navy WWII, Other Uncle, Korean War Veteran! You fought for me? Grandfather, WWI Veteran, France! So, You fought for me, huh? My son, college grad, Communications, spend a year in the 501st MI Group, Korea; speaks fluent Korean! Son-In-Law, U.S. Navy Veteran! Patriotism, don't come in ONE color! No, you didn't fight for me. You sound like one of those RAH-RAH, chest pounding, "look at me", I finally did something right, boys! Now, for your home-work, re-read the paragraph! > > Typical liberal hypocrite. Damn right! > Semper Fi! Simple FI! Know why they invented the Marines? So the Navy could have someone to DANCE with! (Old military joke); If you ARE a Marine, you KNOW the joke! The penalty for impersonating the military, can land you in jail! > -Original Message- > From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 4:18 pm > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, docp101@ wrote: > The height of hypocrisy! If Bill Jefferson is guilty, so be it. > unny, the FBI knew where to look, for the money! What about Vitter > f La., another hypocrite! "I have sinned"! No, you got caught with > our hypocritical pants, DOWN! > This guy and Sen. Craig, went after Bill Clinton, as did Newt "the > over" Gingrich, screwed his assistant, while his wife lay dying of > ancer, and Henry "I have an illegitimate son", Hyde, ALL while they > ere impeaching Bill Clinton, while performing sexual acts with Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Thanks, JJ. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Liberals don't have to defend Craig. He's all yours, dude. Suck it up. > > On Sep 14, 2007, at 7:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Sharon, > > > > Oh so the FBI new where to look in Jefferson's fridge so it was a > > plant? Get real. You obviously DON'T read, enough! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Funny, I scrolled down to 4 or 5 messages and you're responding to all, while you tell me to stop! Just don't reply, already! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sharon, > Please stop. > Are you not reading the posts from the othe members who are completely fed up with the > change of focus to the group? > Everytime one of us adds to the fire, it gets worse. > Please? > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" wrote: > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Some interesting tidbits about Rep Jefferson: Doc, please wrap text! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Or those twins Jen & Tonic, the two drunk as a skunk, twins! Just like their Mom and Dad, the pill popping, coke snorting, AWOL, President! Bet THEY'RE serving their country, just like their Dad! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess every single member of the Bush Administration did not lie > under oath? > > I guess Laura did not murder her ex-boyfrind in a jealous rage by > running over him in her car... not once, but twice... > > um ok, thats probably a wild conspiracy! > > :) > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Sharon, Please stop. Are you not reading the posts from the othe members who are completely fed up with the change of focus to the group? Everytime one of us adds to the fire, it gets worse. Please? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "2fine4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We KNOW that Henry Hyde does! Came out while he was impeaching > Clinton, while he had a "youthful indescretion", as HE put it. He was > 41, at the time! Okay for me, but bad, for you! He and Newt > Gingrich can testify to that! > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, docp101@ wrote: > > > > Oh really, > > > > I guess Norman Hsu is a product of the "vast right wing conspiracy". > > > > I guess Clinton did not lie under oath? > > > > I guess Clinton does not have a bastard child from a black > prostituteum > > ok, thats probably a wild conspiracy! > > > > :) > > > Do you know this for sure? Never heard it or read it. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
We KNOW that Henry Hyde does! Came out while he was impeaching Clinton, while he had a "youthful indescretion", as HE put it. He was 41, at the time! Okay for me, but bad, for you! He and Newt Gingrich can testify to that! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Oh really, > > I guess Norman Hsu is a product of the "vast right wing conspiracy". > > I guess Clinton did not lie under oath? > > I guess Clinton does not have a bastard child from a black prostituteum > ok, thats probably a wild conspiracy! > > :) Do you know this for sure? Never heard it or read it. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Now, THAT was 2 EARS full! All I can say again is, before you point a finger at Democrats being weak, soft, unChristian, re-read this post! Thanks, JJ! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jefferson? Is that all you got? > > Let's try this: > > January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou > of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child > into a sexual relationship > > January 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, > Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges "in connection > with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he > awarded one of his employees" > > January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary Miller is named by > Republicans as ranking member of oversight subcommittee of House > Financial Services Committee despite the FBI's investigation into his > land deals > > February 14, 2007: Major Republican fundraiser Brent Wilkes and > former CIA executive director Kyle "Dusty" Foggo are indicted by a > grandy jury for corrupting CIA contracts > > February 16, 2007: Major Republican donor Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali > Alishtari, aka Michael Mixon, is indicted in federal court on charges > of providing material support to terrorists > > March 5, 2007: Ethics complaint filed against Republican Senator Pete > Domenici for his role in the Attorney Purge scandal > > March 6, 2007: I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to > Vice President Dick Cheney found guilty of obstruction of justice and > perjury > > March 8, 2007: Republican former U.S. Congressman and Speaker of the > House Newt Gingrich admits to extramarital affair > > March 23, 2007: Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles, an > oil and gas lobbyist who became an architect of George W. Bush's > energy policies, pleads guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a > Senate committee > > March 27, 2007: Criminal charges filed against Republican > Pennsylvania State Senator Robert Regola in connection with the death > of a teenage neighbor who was shot with the senator's gun; he is > accused of three counts of perjury, allowing possession of a firearm > by a minor, recklessly endangering another person and false swearing > > March 27, 2007: Ronald Reagan's budget director, David Stockman, > "indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 > billion while chairman of Collins & Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker > that collapsed days after he quit" > > March 28, 2007: Robert Vellanoweth, a Republican activist and > appointee of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is arrested on suspicion of > gross vehicular manslaughter and felony driving under the influence > of drugs or alcohol, after a crash that killed three adults and one > child > > April 18, 2007: The FBI raids the home of Republican Congressman John > Doolittle, investigating his ties to Jack Abramoff > > April 19, 2007: The FBI raids a business tied to the family of > Republican Congressman Rick Renzi, as part of an investigation into > his business dealings > > April 23, 2007: The FBI questions Republican Congressman Tom Feeney > about his dealings with Jack Abramoff > > April 23, 2007: Federal auditors find repeat violations of federal > election law from the 2004 Senate campaign of Republican Senator Mel > Martinez > > April 26, 2007: David Huckabee, son of Republican Presidential > candidate Mike Huckabee, is arrested at an Arkansas airport after a > federal X-ray technician detected a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage > > May 4, 2007: Bruce Weyhrauch and Pete Kott, former Alaska state > Republican legislators, were arrested and accused of soliciting and > accepting bribes from the corrupt VECO Corporation > > May 4, 2007: Republican state Assemblyman Michael Cole is censured > and stripped of his leadership position after the married father of > two spent the night at a 21-year-old intern's apartment > > May 11, 2007: A field coordinator for Republican Congressman Patrick > McHenry is indicted for voter fraud in North Carolina > > May 12, 2007: NBC News breaks the story that the FBI is investigating > Republican Nevada Governor Jim Gibbons for suspicion of accepting > bribes in exchange for securing government contracts > > May 15, 2007: Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy is > arrested for drunk driving (he pled no contest on June 1, but didn't > publicly disclose the event until June 11) > > May 18, 2007: Republican former South Dakota State Representative Ted > Klaudt is charged with eight counts of second-degree rape, two counts > of sexual exploitation of a minor, one count of sexual contact with a > child younger than 16, two counts of witness tampering and one count > of stalking against two foster children in his care > > May 21, 2007: Republican state Senate candidate Mark Tate
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
You're asking someone else to defend him. Unfortunately, for you, the only people who would be called to defend him are other Republicans. No one else would be expected to defend Craig. Except by you. It's called a strawman. Throwing up a false choice. The choice is Republicans defend him or abandon him, not Republicans defend him or Democrats defend him. Craig said he's not gay (we've been here before doc, and it's what makes your postings so tedious) so there would be no call for gay people to come to his defense. The Log Republicans did because he's Republican, just like they foolishly defend all other Republicans. On Sep 14, 2007, at 8:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I'm not at all defending Craig. I am pointing out the lack of the bleeding hearts and the gays coming to his defense. That is a bit hypocritical when they did come out in support of McGreevey. -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Liberals don't have to defend Craig. He's all yours, dude. Suck it up. On Sep 14, 2007, at 7:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharon, Oh so the FBI new where to look in Jefferson's fridge so it was a plant? Get real. That's as crazy as Bill Clinton allegedly having a illegitimate son by the name of Danny Williams from a black prostitute. With regards to Craig, you really know how to twist it. All the bleeding heart liberals came to the defense of McGreevey even though he got caught...if you recall he got caught using his influence to get a job in the (state homeland defense agency) for his gay lover. I fought for your right to spout off but I would request you be more fair and balanced. Typical liberal hypocrite. Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 4:18 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Gary, > > > Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.? He is a Reverend of some sort.? He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator!? Oh but wait he was a democrat! > > > > Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. > > > > Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig.? Now who is the hypocrite? I'm one! Not bleeding heart, just tolerant, of those different from me. You know what Sen, Craig's problem? He got caught cold-handed and froze! He was guilty, caught red-faced and being the hypocrite, he is, after thumping his bible-belt chest, after vetoing every pro-gay bill, is gay himself! The height of hypocrisy! If Bill Jefferson is guilty, so be it. Funny, the FBI knew where to look, for the money! What about Vitter of La., another hypocrite! "I have sinned"! No, you got caught with your hypocritical pants, DOWN! This guy and Sen. Craig, went after Bill Clinton, as did Newt "the lover" Gingrich, screwed his assistant, while his wife lay dying of cancer, and Henry "I have an illegitimate son", Hyde, ALL while they were impeaching Bill Clinton, while performing sexual acts with women, NOT thier wife! So, that said, is being Conservative better? I'll stay a swinging liberal, who'll say, Yeah, I did it! So what? I'll just go to confession, make a good act of contrition and try to do better! Catholics get drunk on Friday, go to confession on Saturday, then attend Mass and receive Holy Communion, on Sunday! Any questions? online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo!
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John, I'm not at all defending Craig.? I am pointing out the lack of the bleeding hearts and the gays coming to his defense.? That is a bit hypocritical when they did come out in support of McGreevey. -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Liberals don't have to defend Craig. He's all yours, dude. Suck it up. On Sep 14, 2007, at 7:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharon, ? Oh so the FBI new where to look in Jefferson's fridge so it was a plant?? Get real.?? That's as crazy as Bill Clinton allegedly having a illegitimate son by the name of Danny Williams from a black prostitute. With regards to Craig, you really know how to twist it.? All the bleeding heart liberals came to the defense of McGreevey even though? he got caught...if you recall he got caught using his influence to get a job in the (state homeland defense agency) for his gay lover.?? I fought for your right to spout off but I would request you be more fair and balanced. Typical liberal hypocrite. Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 4:18 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free?AOL Mail! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Some interesting tidbits about Rep Jefferson: "...Jefferson has received criticism for his actions in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Five days after the hurricane made landfall, under his authority as a congressman Jefferson utilized a National Guard detachment to recover personal effects and belongings from his home.[6] After the truck in which he and the detachment traveled became stuck, further National Guard resources were expended (amidst ongoing search and rescue operations) to aid the original detachment, including a second truck and helicopter." "...In the wake of the corruption investigation, the New Orleans media often refers to the congressman as Dollar Bill Jefferson. He "received his unflattering nickname from the late Ernest “Dutch” Morial." It seems that "Morial had asked his protégé for some legal work and was given it — along with a staggering bill. Outraged, Morial coined the nickname." The magazine Rolling Stone listed him as the fourth-worst member of the House and gave him the nickname "Bribe Taker".[45] Various bloggers have come up with nicknames of their own. These include, but are not limited to, "Mr. Freeze" and "Cold Cash Jefferson"." Yeah Sharon, the FBI set Dollar Bill up! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Sharon, Oh so the FBI new where to look in Jefferson's fridge so it was a plant? Get real. That's as crazy as Bill Clinton allegedly having a illegitimate son by the name of Danny Williams from a black prostitute. With regards to Craig, you really know how to twist it. All the bleeding heart liberals came to the defense of McGreevey even though he got caught...if you recall he got caught using his influence to get a job in the (state homeland defense agency) for his gay lover. I fought for your right to spout off but I would request you be more fair and balanced. Typical liberal hypocrite. Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 4:18 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.? He is Reverend of some sort.? He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic ags...in his refrigerator!? Oh but wait he was a democrat! Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had o resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota roderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to upporting Senator Craig.? Now who is the hypocrite? I'm one! Not bleeding heart, just tolerant, of those different from e. You know what Sen, Craig's problem? He got caught cold-handed nd froze! He was guilty, caught red-faced and being the hypocrite, e is, after thumping his bible-belt chest, after vetoing every ro-gay bill, is gay himself! The height of hypocrisy! If Bill Jefferson is guilty, so be it. unny, the FBI knew where to look, for the money! What about Vitter f La., another hypocrite! "I have sinned"! No, you got caught with our hypocritical pants, DOWN! This guy and Sen. Craig, went after Bill Clinton, as did Newt "the over" Gingrich, screwed his assistant, while his wife lay dying of ancer, and Henry "I have an illegitimate son", Hyde, ALL while they ere impeaching Bill Clinton, while performing sexual acts with women, OT thier wife! So, that said, is being Conservative better? I'll stay a swinging iberal, who'll say, Yeah, I did it! So what? I'll just go to onfession, make a good act of contrition and try to do better! atholics get drunk on Friday, go to confession on Saturday, then ttend Mass and receive Holy Communion, on Sunday! Any questions? > ahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Liberals don't have to defend Craig. He's all yours, dude. Suck it up. On Sep 14, 2007, at 7:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharon, Oh so the FBI new where to look in Jefferson's fridge so it was a plant? Get real. That's as crazy as Bill Clinton allegedly having a illegitimate son by the name of Danny Williams from a black prostitute. With regards to Craig, you really know how to twist it. All the bleeding heart liberals came to the defense of McGreevey even though he got caught...if you recall he got caught using his influence to get a job in the (state homeland defense agency) for his gay lover. I fought for your right to spout off but I would request you be more fair and balanced. Typical liberal hypocrite. Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 4:18 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Gary, > > > Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.? He is a Reverend of some sort.? He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator!? Oh but wait he was a democrat! > > > > Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. > > > > Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig.? Now who is the hypocrite? I'm one! Not bleeding heart, just tolerant, of those different from me. You know what Sen, Craig's problem? He got caught cold-handed and froze! He was guilty, caught red-faced and being the hypocrite, he is, after thumping his bible-belt chest, after vetoing every pro-gay bill, is gay himself! The height of hypocrisy! If Bill Jefferson is guilty, so be it. Funny, the FBI knew where to look, for the money! What about Vitter of La., another hypocrite! "I have sinned"! No, you got caught with your hypocritical pants, DOWN! This guy and Sen. Craig, went after Bill Clinton, as did Newt "the lover" Gingrich, screwed his assistant, while his wife lay dying of cancer, and Henry "I have an illegitimate son", Hyde, ALL while they were impeaching Bill Clinton, while performing sexual acts with women, NOT thier wife! So, that said, is being Conservative better? I'll stay a swinging liberal, who'll say, Yeah, I did it! So what? I'll just go to confession, make a good act of contrition and try to do better! Catholics get drunk on Friday, go to confession on Saturday, then attend Mass and receive Holy Communion, on Sunday! Any questions? > online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo!
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Sharon, Oh so the FBI new where to look in Jefferson's fridge so it was a plant?? Get real.? That's as crazy as Bill Clinton allegedly having a illegitimate son by the name of Danny Williams from a black prostitute. With regards to Craig, you really know how to twist it.? All the bleeding heart liberals came to the defense of McGreevey even though? he got caught...if you recall he got caught using his influence to get a job in the (state homeland defense agency) for his gay lover.? I fought for your right to spout off but I would request you be more fair and balanced. Typical liberal hypocrite. Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 4:18 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Gary, > > > Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.? He is a Reverend of some sort.? He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator!? Oh but wait he was a democrat! > > > > Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. > > > > Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig.? Now who is the hypocrite? I'm one! Not bleeding heart, just tolerant, of those different from me. You know what Sen, Craig's problem? He got caught cold-handed and froze! He was guilty, caught red-faced and being the hypocrite, he is, after thumping his bible-belt chest, after vetoing every pro-gay bill, is gay himself! The height of hypocrisy! If Bill Jefferson is guilty, so be it. Funny, the FBI knew where to look, for the money! What about Vitter of La., another hypocrite! "I have sinned"! No, you got caught with your hypocritical pants, DOWN! This guy and Sen. Craig, went after Bill Clinton, as did Newt "the lover" Gingrich, screwed his assistant, while his wife lay dying of cancer, and Henry "I have an illegitimate son", Hyde, ALL while they were impeaching Bill Clinton, while performing sexual acts with women, NOT thier wife! So, that said, is being Conservative better? I'll stay a swinging liberal, who'll say, Yeah, I did it! So what? I'll just go to confession, make a good act of contrition and try to do better! Catholics get drunk on Friday, go to confession on Saturday, then attend Mass and receive Holy Communion, on Sunday! Any questions? > > Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Sharon, Does Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick ring a bell.? Yeah the liberals are such a prize. -Original Message- From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 4:18 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Gary, > > > Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.? He is a Reverend of some sort.? He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator!? Oh but wait he was a democrat! > > > > Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. > > > > Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig.? Now who is the hypocrite? I'm one! Not bleeding heart, just tolerant, of those different from me. You know what Sen, Craig's problem? He got caught cold-handed and froze! He was guilty, caught red-faced and being the hypocrite, he is, after thumping his bible-belt chest, after vetoing every pro-gay bill, is gay himself! The height of hypocrisy! If Bill Jefferson is guilty, so be it. Funny, the FBI knew where to look, for the money! What about Vitter of La., another hypocrite! "I have sinned"! No, you got caught with your hypocritical pants, DOWN! This guy and Sen. Craig, went after Bill Clinton, as did Newt "the lover" Gingrich, screwed his assistant, while his wife lay dying of cancer, and Henry "I have an illegitimate son", Hyde, ALL while they were impeaching Bill Clinton, while performing sexual acts with women, NOT thier wife! So, that said, is being Conservative better? I'll stay a swinging liberal, who'll say, Yeah, I did it! So what? I'll just go to confession, make a good act of contrition and try to do better! Catholics get drunk on Friday, go to confession on Saturday, then attend Mass and receive Holy Communion, on Sunday! Any questions? > > Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Sharon, You seem to be mighty bitter.? The democrats aim to keep the poor as poor.? Just enough entitlements to keep them poor.? They believe in the welfare nation.? Glad to see you love them so but please don't make blanket half truth lies about republicans. Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 3:41 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God While Republicans profess to have a "lock" on God and Christianity, nothing could be furthur from the truth! Republicans ran on the so-called "Christian" ticket, beating their chest, that Democrats were Liberal, meaning they were in favor of a woman's right to choose, stem cell research, equal more than civil rights, which is better, etc. Liberals are inclusive, tolerant and forward thinking, whereas, Conservatives are envious, mean-spirited, racist, greedy, draft-dodgers, never-served, less-educated and are the equivalent of countrified hill-billies, in Brooks-Brothers suits! A bunch of hypocrites, who get their hands caught in the cookie jar and make all kinds of excuses for themselves! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Although one could also say practice what you preach. There's little > doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more > hypocritical in the way they live their lives. Every time a > Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution > it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just > reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION > rather than our truly religious. > > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Greg, > > > > While I would agree that "liberals have no god" is a blanket > > statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to > > agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than > > conservatives > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm > > Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God > > > > Why is it true that liberals have no God? > > > > Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: > > > >> Being a Conservative take more work than being a > >> Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. > >> > >> One issue to watch in the future is National > >> Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and > >> that being said, euthanasia will become part of the > >> National Healthcare program. > >> > >> I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out > >> center. > >> > >> --- justifiedright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say > >> > Conservativism > >> > is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't > >> > paying attention. > >> > > >> > The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues > >> > that define > >> > people as conservative or liberal are barely in the > >> > political > >> > picture. > >> > > >> > If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd > >> > better be able to > >> > survey the landscape. > >> > > >> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, > >> > "justifiedright" > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > >It is > >> > > > > really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are > >> > rising in > >> > America! > >> > > > > >> > > > Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do > >> > you? > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > My political view is way beyond the local arena! > >> > > > >> > > New jersey is not the litmus... > >> > > > >> > > Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. > >> > > > >> > > On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks > >> > on the WTC, the > >> > > Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie > >> > declaring we killed > >> > 655,000 > >> > > Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her > >> > math? > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> __ > >> Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > >> listings, and more! > >> http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 > > > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Sharon, Representative Jeffeson of New Orleans he of the money in the fridge is also a reverend.? Norman HSU is also deeply religious.? He's a Mooney I think. God bless! -Original Message- From: 2fine4u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 3:54 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Sounds like the Word of God; something a conservative, wouldn't know or practice! They worship at the altar, located on WALL street! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Religion and Conservative just seem to go together. Huh? > > Does this sound like a Republican?: > > 21 Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you > possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; > and come, follow me." This, a Republican, could NEVER do! > > Does this sound like a Republican?: > > 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle > than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." They'd PAY someone then claim the credit! > > Does this sound like a Republican?: > 18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to > preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to > the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty > those who are oppressed HELL, no! > Does this sound like a Republican?: > > 12 He said also to the man who had invited him, "When you give a > dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or > your kinsmen or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, > and you be repaid. > 13 But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, > the blind, > 14 and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will > be repaid at the resurrection of the just." That would be doing the right thing and being humble! > > Does this sound like a Republican?: > > > [13] No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the > one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise > the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. > WANNA BET? > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Mike Hemeon wrote: > > > No one monopolizes either. Liberals, or Progressives, signify a > > free for all lifestyle to me based on my many years of life > > experience and Republicans are more conservative. > > Not when they're behind closed doors! They're down right FREAKY! See the rest room incident, see Mark Foley and those racy pages! > > Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why is it true that liberals have no God? > > > > Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: > > > >> Being a Conservative take more work than being a > >> Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. I've burned a bra or two! > >> > >> One issue to watch in the future is National > >> Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and > >> that being said, euthanasia will become part of the > >> National Healthcare program. Better than having Bush & Co., keeping me alive for 30 more years and NOT paying the bill! > >> I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out > >> center. That's just what I plan to do! Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Gary, > > > Kind of like that Representative Jefferson from New Orleans.? He is a Reverend of some sort.? He got caught with 30,000 wrapped in plastic bags...in his refrigerator!? Oh but wait he was a democrat! > > > > Kind of like Bob Packwood, he put his hand on a womans leg and had to resign, versus Bill Clinton who allegedly raped a chick (Juanota Broderick) and is given an atta boy by the press. > > > > Where are all the bleeding heart homosexual lovers when it comes to supporting Senator Craig.? Now who is the hypocrite? I'm one! Not bleeding heart, just tolerant, of those different from me. You know what Sen, Craig's problem? He got caught cold-handed and froze! He was guilty, caught red-faced and being the hypocrite, he is, after thumping his bible-belt chest, after vetoing every pro-gay bill, is gay himself! The height of hypocrisy! If Bill Jefferson is guilty, so be it. Funny, the FBI knew where to look, for the money! What about Vitter of La., another hypocrite! "I have sinned"! No, you got caught with your hypocritical pants, DOWN! This guy and Sen. Craig, went after Bill Clinton, as did Newt "the lover" Gingrich, screwed his assistant, while his wife lay dying of cancer, and Henry "I have an illegitimate son", Hyde, ALL while they were impeaching Bill Clinton, while performing sexual acts with women, NOT thier wife! So, that said, is being Conservative better? I'll stay a swinging liberal, who'll say, Yeah, I did it! So what? I'll just go to confession, make a good act of contrition and try to do better! Catholics get drunk on Friday, go to confession on Saturday, then attend Mass and receive Holy Communion, on Sunday! Any questions? > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Sounds like the Word of God; something a conservative, wouldn't know or practice! They worship at the altar, located on WALL street! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Religion and Conservative just seem to go together. Huh? > > Does this sound like a Republican?: > > 21 Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you > possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; > and come, follow me." This, a Republican, could NEVER do! > > Does this sound like a Republican?: > > 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle > than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." They'd PAY someone then claim the credit! > > Does this sound like a Republican?: > 18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to > preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to > the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty > those who are oppressed HELL, no! > Does this sound like a Republican?: > > 12 He said also to the man who had invited him, "When you give a > dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or > your kinsmen or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, > and you be repaid. > 13 But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, > the blind, > 14 and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will > be repaid at the resurrection of the just." That would be doing the right thing and being humble! > > Does this sound like a Republican?: > > > [13] No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the > one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise > the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. > WANNA BET? > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Mike Hemeon wrote: > > > No one monopolizes either. Liberals, or Progressives, signify a > > free for all lifestyle to me based on my many years of life > > experience and Republicans are more conservative. > > Not when they're behind closed doors! They're down right FREAKY! See the rest room incident, see Mark Foley and those racy pages! > > Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why is it true that liberals have no God? > > > > Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: > > > >> Being a Conservative take more work than being a > >> Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. I've burned a bra or two! > >> > >> One issue to watch in the future is National > >> Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and > >> that being said, euthanasia will become part of the > >> National Healthcare program. Better than having Bush & Co., keeping me alive for 30 more years and NOT paying the bill! > >> I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out > >> center. That's just what I plan to do! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Conservatives only pretend to be religious but actually worship money. > EXACTLY! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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2 words: HOG WASH! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. > Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. > > So if you take the purest form of the attributes of an American > conservative, as being one who stays the course and does not move > quickly to change, than it makes perfect sense to me that those that > have held on to the founding father's faith declaration of this new > country would predominantly be conservatives. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
While Republicans profess to have a "lock" on God and Christianity, nothing could be furthur from the truth! Republicans ran on the so-called "Christian" ticket, beating their chest, that Democrats were Liberal, meaning they were in favor of a woman's right to choose, stem cell research, equal more than civil rights, which is better, etc. Liberals are inclusive, tolerant and forward thinking, whereas, Conservatives are envious, mean-spirited, racist, greedy, draft-dodgers, never-served, less-educated and are the equivalent of countrified hill-billies, in Brooks-Brothers suits! A bunch of hypocrites, who get their hands caught in the cookie jar and make all kinds of excuses for themselves! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Although one could also say practice what you preach. There's little > doubt to most of the country that Republicans have been far more > hypocritical in the way they live their lives. Every time a > Republican gets caught doing something like adultry or prostitution > it looks far worse than when a Democrat gets caught because it just > reaffirms the way some of us feel - that Republicans USE RELIGION > rather than our truly religious. > > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Greg, > > > > While I would agree that "liberals have no god" is a blanket > > statement and is probably not 100% accurate. However, one has to > > agree that on the whole liberals have been far more anti-god than > > conservatives > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 1:55 pm > > Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God > > > > Why is it true that liberals have no God? > > > > Did the Republican Party monopolize religion? > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Mike Hemeon wrote: > > > >> Being a Conservative take more work than being a > >> Liberal. If you're a liberal anything goes. > >> > >> One issue to watch in the future is National > >> Healthcare. It is true that liberals have no god and > >> that being said, euthanasia will become part of the > >> National Healthcare program. > >> > >> I would imagine you would just check-in to a check-out > >> center. > >> > >> --- justifiedright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > I'm not talking about Jersey Kevin. For you to say > >> > Conservativism > >> > is on the rise nationally - well you just aren't > >> > paying attention. > >> > > >> > The only issue out there is Iraq. All other issues > >> > that define > >> > people as conservative or liberal are barely in the > >> > political > >> > picture. > >> > > >> > If you are going to be a political advisor, you'd > >> > better be able to > >> > survey the landscape. > >> > > >> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, > >> > "justifiedright" > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > >It is > >> > > > > really bugging Liberals that Conservatives are > >> > rising in > >> > America! > >> > > > > >> > > > Errr, you don't follow politics too much, do > >> > you? > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > My political view is way beyond the local arena! > >> > > > >> > > New jersey is not the litmus... > >> > > > >> > > Watch come this Sunday - should be interesting. > >> > > > >> > > On the eve of The anniversary of terrorist attacks > >> > on the WTC, the > >> > > Pentegon and Flight 93 - even crazed Rosie > >> > declaring we killed > >> > 655,000 > >> > > Iraqi citizens. I don't know who is doing her > >> > math? > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> __ > >> Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > >> listings, and more! > >> http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 > > > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/ On Sep 13, 2007, at 1:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, George Bush was in the National Guard while Bill Clinton was protesting against the US on foreign soil while smoking doobies. nice how you say "Dan Rather's documents aside" you may be a spin master...just not a very good one! -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 9:50 am Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God And Dan Rather's documents aside, where was George Bush during his TANG service? Just as the Wing Nut Wurlitzer wanted, that issue was completely abandoned. On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:40 AM, justifiedright wrote: AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and ADMITTING to doing it. Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted very > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting things > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I was > with you until you went there, at which point your entire argument > was invalidated... > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > Gary, > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > problem. > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" has > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
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John, George Bush was in the National Guard while Bill Clinton was protesting against the US on foreign soil while smoking doobies. nice how you say "Dan Rather's documents aside"? you may be a spin master...just not a very good one! -Original Message- From: Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 9:50 am Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God And Dan Rather's documents aside, where was George Bush during his TANG service? Just as the Wing Nut Wurlitzer wanted, that issue was completely abandoned. On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:40 AM, justifiedright wrote: AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and? ADMITTING to doing it. Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing? site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>? wrote: > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted? very? > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting things? > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's? > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I? was? > with you until you went there, at which point your entire argument? > was invalidated... >? >? >? >? > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], "justifiedright"? > wrote: > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gary Wien wrote: > >? > > > Just because Fox News or? > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > >? > > Gary, > >? > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > >? > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a? > problem. > >? > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal? where? > > they doctored photos or staged photos > >? > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > >? > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal where? > > they doctored photos or staged photos > >? > >? > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media"? has? > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > >? > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Fox's O'Reilly Factor covered the Mark Foley (R-FL) issue in two different segments, one of them with a page who says he received communications from Foley, and another with Ann Coulter. Incredibly, during a total of three different cutaways to video footage of Foley, he was labelled at the bottom of the screen eachtime as "(D-FL)". Three different times. In two different segements. Each cutaway about 15 seconds or more. Showing Foley as a Democrat. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <> On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? I don't think there are any. I gave you several in the MSM. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it didn't > mean it was real. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted > > very > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > things > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I > > was > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > argument > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > where > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > where > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" > > has > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > >
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Call me when you guys are done overwhelming this group with a discussion that has nothing at all to do with Asbury Park. I really think we should all join the new group I created. Then we can discuss politics without changing the focus of this particular group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This one's so bad its funny. The writer said the jury "awarded a > settlement" twice. > > Juries award settlements? Which "I hate Fox and will make up > anything about them" frind of yours wrote this? > > PS: It says Fox won the case, not lost. So you really hurt > yourself with this one anyway. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John > wrote: > > > > In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed > with > > an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting > or > > falsifying the news in the United States. > > > > Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve > Wilson, > > were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox "Investigators" team at > WTVT > > in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story > about > > bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance > manufactured > > by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series > > revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and > that > > Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from > cows > > treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise. > > > > According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very > excited > > about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their > > attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto > > representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make > other > > revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the > facts. > > Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to > > produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to > > report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project > > Censored #12 1997) > > > > Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a > > Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired > by > > Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's > words) "a > > false, distorted or slanted story" about the widespread use of BGH > in > > dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection > > under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 > > settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve > > Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the > same > > actions taken by FOX. > > > > FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida > Second > > District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement > > awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre's threat to report the > > station's actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under > > Florida's whistle blower statute, because Florida's whistle > blower > > law states that an employer must violate an adopted "law, rule, > or > > regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, > the > > Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against > > falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, > rule, > > or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to > the > > station whether or not it wants to report honestly. > > > > During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules > > against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the > > First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or > deliberately > > distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not > > dispute Akre's claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false > > story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. > After > > the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger > commented, "It's > > vindication for WTVT, and we're very pleased It's the case we've > > been making for two years. She never had a legal claim." > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > > > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to > it? > > > > > > I don't think there are any. > > > > > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they > weren't > > > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > > > didn't > > > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > > > ADMITTING to doing
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Ok. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tommy, That post has nothing to do with you, honestly. I've made a few other attempts > before today to no avail. A few others are trying as well. > That's why I created the AP Politics group. What's so wrong about that? I'd love to discuss > politics. > Please don't take this personallly. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" wrote: > > > > You are like clockwork Jack. This thread raged for days. The day I > > come in, you insist it be called quits. > > > > You've do that all the time. > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > > > Call me when you guys are done overwhelming this group with a > > discussion that has > > > nothing at all to do with Asbury Park. > > > I really think we should all join the new group I created. Then we > > can discuss politics > > > without changing the focus of this particular group. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/ > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This one's so bad its funny. The writer said the jury "awarded > > a > > > > settlement" twice. > > > > > > > > Juries award settlements? Which "I hate Fox and will make up > > > > anything about them" frind of yours wrote this? > > > > > > > > PS: It says Fox won the case, not lost. So you really hurt > > > > yourself with this one anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously > > agreed > > > > with > > > > > an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against > > distorting > > > > or > > > > > falsifying the news in the United States. > > > > > > > > > > Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve > > > > Wilson, > > > > > were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox "Investigators" team at > > > > WTVT > > > > > in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story > > > > about > > > > > bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance > > > > manufactured > > > > > by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part > > series > > > > > revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and > > > > that > > > > > Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk > > from > > > > cows > > > > > treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very > > > > excited > > > > > about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their > > > > > attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from > > Monsanto > > > > > representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make > > > > other > > > > > revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the > > > > facts. > > > > > Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue > > to > > > > > produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened > > to > > > > > report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired. > > (Project > > > > > Censored #12 1997) > > > > > > > > > > Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, > > a > > > > > Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully > > fired > > > > by > > > > > Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's > > > > words) "a > > > > > false, distorted or slanted story" about the widespread use of > > BGH > > > > in > > > > > dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved > > protection > > > > > under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a > > $425,000 > > > > > settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that > > Steve > > > > > Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the > > > > same > > > > > actions taken by FOX. > > > > > > > > > > FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida > > > > Second > > > > > District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the > > settlement > > > > > awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre's threat to report > > the > > > > > station's actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under > > > > > Florida's whistle blower statute, because Florida's whistle > > > > blower > > > > > law states that an employer must violate an adopted "law, > > rule, > > > > or > > > > > regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC > > rules, > > > > the > > > > > Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against > > > > > falsification of the news does not rise to the level of > > a "law, > > > > rule, > > > > > or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up > > to > > > > the > > > > > station whether or not it wants to report honestly. > > > > > > > > > > During their appeal, FOX asse
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Tommy, That post has nothing to do with you, honestly. I've made a few other attempts before today to no avail. A few others are trying as well. That's why I created the AP Politics group. What's so wrong about that? I'd love to discuss politics. Please don't take this personallly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You are like clockwork Jack. This thread raged for days. The day I > come in, you insist it be called quits. > > You've do that all the time. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > Call me when you guys are done overwhelming this group with a > discussion that has > > nothing at all to do with Asbury Park. > > I really think we should all join the new group I created. Then we > can discuss politics > > without changing the focus of this particular group. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/ > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > > > This one's so bad its funny. The writer said the jury "awarded > a > > > settlement" twice. > > > > > > Juries award settlements? Which "I hate Fox and will make up > > > anything about them" frind of yours wrote this? > > > > > > PS: It says Fox won the case, not lost. So you really hurt > > > yourself with this one anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously > agreed > > > with > > > > an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against > distorting > > > or > > > > falsifying the news in the United States. > > > > > > > > Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve > > > Wilson, > > > > were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox "Investigators" team at > > > WTVT > > > > in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story > > > about > > > > bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance > > > manufactured > > > > by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part > series > > > > revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and > > > that > > > > Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk > from > > > cows > > > > treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise. > > > > > > > > According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very > > > excited > > > > about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their > > > > attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from > Monsanto > > > > representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make > > > other > > > > revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the > > > facts. > > > > Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue > to > > > > produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened > to > > > > report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired. > (Project > > > > Censored #12 1997) > > > > > > > > Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, > a > > > > Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully > fired > > > by > > > > Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's > > > words) "a > > > > false, distorted or slanted story" about the widespread use of > BGH > > > in > > > > dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved > protection > > > > under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a > $425,000 > > > > settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that > Steve > > > > Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the > > > same > > > > actions taken by FOX. > > > > > > > > FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida > > > Second > > > > District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the > settlement > > > > awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre's threat to report > the > > > > station's actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under > > > > Florida's whistle blower statute, because Florida's whistle > > > blower > > > > law states that an employer must violate an adopted "law, > rule, > > > or > > > > regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC > rules, > > > the > > > > Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against > > > > falsification of the news does not rise to the level of > a "law, > > > rule, > > > > or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up > to > > > the > > > > station whether or not it wants to report honestly. > > > > > > > > During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written > rules > > > > against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under > the > > > > First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or > > > deliberately > > > > distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did > not > > > > dispute Akre's claim that they pressured her to broadcas
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
You are like clockwork Jack. This thread raged for days. The day I come in, you insist it be called quits. You've do that all the time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Call me when you guys are done overwhelming this group with a discussion that has > nothing at all to do with Asbury Park. > I really think we should all join the new group I created. Then we can discuss politics > without changing the focus of this particular group. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/ > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" wrote: > > > > This one's so bad its funny. The writer said the jury "awarded a > > settlement" twice. > > > > Juries award settlements? Which "I hate Fox and will make up > > anything about them" frind of yours wrote this? > > > > PS: It says Fox won the case, not lost. So you really hurt > > yourself with this one anyway. > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John > > wrote: > > > > > > In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed > > with > > > an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting > > or > > > falsifying the news in the United States. > > > > > > Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve > > Wilson, > > > were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox "Investigators" team at > > WTVT > > > in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story > > about > > > bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance > > manufactured > > > by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series > > > revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and > > that > > > Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from > > cows > > > treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise. > > > > > > According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very > > excited > > > about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their > > > attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto > > > representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make > > other > > > revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the > > facts. > > > Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to > > > produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to > > > report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired. (Project > > > Censored #12 1997) > > > > > > Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a > > > Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired > > by > > > Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's > > words) "a > > > false, distorted or slanted story" about the widespread use of BGH > > in > > > dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection > > > under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 > > > settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve > > > Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the > > same > > > actions taken by FOX. > > > > > > FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida > > Second > > > District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement > > > awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre's threat to report the > > > station's actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under > > > Florida's whistle blower statute, because Florida's whistle > > blower > > > law states that an employer must violate an adopted "law, rule, > > or > > > regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, > > the > > > Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against > > > falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, > > rule, > > > or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to > > the > > > station whether or not it wants to report honestly. > > > > > > During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules > > > against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the > > > First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or > > deliberately > > > distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not > > > dispute Akre's claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false > > > story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. > > After > > > the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger > > commented, "It's > > > vindication for WTVT, and we're very pleased It's the case we've > > > been making for two years. She never had a legal claim." > > > > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > > > > > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to > > it? > > > > > > > > I don't think there are any. > > > > > > > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Poor JerseyJohn. He looked hard but found nothing. By the way John, you lost all creditbility when you posted today that President Bush (41) was involved in killing Kennedy. You are hereby relegated to the 9/11 truthers, black helicopter worriers, "moon landings never took place" conspiracy theory crowd. No one really has to respond to you anymore. The post about Bush/Kennedy was so foolish it calls into question everything you write from this point forward. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Bill's right. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bill O'Reilly Lied About Calling For The Pepsi Boycott > > He (Bill O'Reilly) says "I'm calling for all responsible americans to > fight back and punish pepsi for using a man who degrades women, who > encourages substance abuse and does all the things that hurt > particularly the poor and our society. Then he says, "I'm calling for > all americans to say, hey, pepsi, i'm not drinking your stuff. > > That sounds like calling for a boycott. > > Here is exactly what O'Reilly said, right from the transcript of his > show: > > OREILLY: Well, look, just because you think it's in the bottle is off > doesn't mean i have to accept it as an american consumer so I'm > calling for all responsible americans to fight back and punish pepsi > for using a man who degrades women, who encourages substance abuse > and does all the things that hurt particularly the poor and our > society. I'm calling for all americans to say, hey, pepsi, i'm not > drinking your stuff. You want to hang around with Ludacris, you do > that, I'm not hanging around with you. Am I wrong to do that? > > OREILLY: I don't want Ludacris to be banned. I'm not talking about > that. Let Ludacris be Ludacris, all right? Thank you. Let him do what > he wants. He's a dumb idiot who's got lucky and exploits the system > that we have. Fine. Pepsi cola is my problem. Pepsi cola is my > problem here. > > The lie: Bill told an e-mailer that he did not call for a pepsi > boycott, because he never used the word boycott. > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > > > I don't think there are any. > > > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > > didn't > > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > > wing > > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > > acted > > > > very > > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > > things > > > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things > > up. I > > > > was > > > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > > > argument > > > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam > > media" > > > > has > > > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
This one's so bad its funny. The writer said the jury "awarded a settlement" twice. Juries award settlements? Which "I hate Fox and will make up anything about them" frind of yours wrote this? PS: It says Fox won the case, not lost. So you really hurt yourself with this one anyway. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with > an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or > falsifying the news in the United States. > > Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, > were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox "Investigators" team at WTVT > in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about > bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured > by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series > revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that > Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows > treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise. > > According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited > about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their > attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto > representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other > revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. > Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to > produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to > report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project > Censored #12 1997) > > Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a > Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by > Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) "a > false, distorted or slanted story" about the widespread use of BGH in > dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection > under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 > settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve > Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same > actions taken by FOX. > > FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second > District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement > awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre's threat to report the > station's actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under > Florida's whistle blower statute, because Florida's whistle blower > law states that an employer must violate an adopted "law, rule, or > regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the > Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against > falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, > or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the > station whether or not it wants to report honestly. > > During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules > against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the > First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately > distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not > dispute Akre's claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false > story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After > the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, "It's > vindication for WTVT, and we're very pleased It's the case we've > been making for two years. She never had a legal claim." > > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > > > I don't think there are any. > > > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > > didn't > > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > > wing > > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > > acted > > > > very > > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > > things > > > > > other than th
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
A typo that everyone can see is a typo? Was there some raging debate about Foley being and an R or a D they were trying to influence? You are comparing that to blowing up a truck, forging documents that are the basis of a report, altering photos and Blair's made up stories? Your making it worse on yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fox's O'Reilly Factor covered the Mark Foley (R-FL) issue in two > different segments, one of them with a page who says he received > communications from Foley, and another with Ann Coulter. Incredibly, > during a total of three different cutaways to video footage of Foley, > he was labelled at the bottom of the screen eachtime as "(D-FL)". > > Three different times. In two different segements. Each cutaway about > 15 seconds or more. Showing Foley as a Democrat. > > > > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > > > I don't think there are any. > > > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > > didn't > > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > > wing > > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > > acted > > > > very > > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > > things > > > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things > > up. I > > > > was > > > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > > > argument > > > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam > > media" > > > > has > > > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Rumsfeld wasn't a "top administration official?" Your sinking fast Jersey John. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In reporting and commenting on Sen. Rick Santorum's (R-PA) and House > Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra's (R-MI) June 21 claim > that a recently declassified intelligence report found that there > were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq prior to the March 2003 > U.S.-led invasion, Fox News' Brit Hume, John Gibson, and Jim Angle, > as well as nationally syndicated radio hosts Rush Limbaugh and Janet > Parshall, continued to ignore conclusive assertions of intelligence > officials that the degraded chemical munitions found were not, in > fact, in the category of "weapons of mass destruction" that the U.S. > was looking for at the time of the invasion. They also ignore the > Iraq Survey Group's (ISG) September 2004 final report (also known as > the Duelfer report), which noted that degraded chemical munitions had > already been found in Iraq, and that they were not proof of an > existing chemical weapons stockpile or of a renewed Iraqi chemical > weapons program. Indeed, former ISG head Charles Duelfer stated that > the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra do not qualify as > weapons of mass destruction, though they may still pose a local threat. > > Nevertheless, Hume reported that "[t]op administration officials said > today that chemical and biological weapons have indeed been found in > Iraq," and a report by Angle uncritically aired a statement by > Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld that these munitions "are > weapons of mass destruction." Further, Angle's report > mischaracterized a statement by Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), ranking > Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, to suggest that she > downplayed the danger of these munitions. > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > > > I don't think there are any. > > > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > > didn't > > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > > wing > > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > > acted > > > > very > > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > > things > > > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things > > up. I > > > > was > > > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > > > argument > > > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam > > media" > > > > has > > > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAI
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Jersey John I'm getting a kick out of you wasting your time trying to find Fox doing something wrong and coming up empty. This one below is almost funny. Kondrake is a liberal on the show. So Jersey John the lib disagrees with Kondrake the lib, and somehow that's Fox's fault? Thats all you can come up with? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is what Mort Kondracke said yesterday about the Military > Commissions Act, while he sat next to Fox News anchor Brit Hume and > Fred Barnes, neither of whom contested what he said: > > MORT KONDRACKE: Well, as to that human rights watch spokesperson, > it's just false that this is you can lock them up and throw away > the key is not correct. I mean, these detainees have a right to go to > a military they have been tried in a military tribunal. The case > goes on appeal to the U.S. district the Circuit Court of appeals > for the District of Columbia, second highest court in the land, which > reviews the evidence. And so there is judicial review of a > conviction, at least, and so, you know, it's just flatly false. > > What is "flatly false" is what Kondracke told Fox viewers about the > Military Commissions Act. It is true that the Act creates military > commissions and establishes rules for those commissions in the event > that the President wants a certain detainee tried, convicted and > punished (almost certainly execution). Not even the Bush-led U.S. > will openly execute detainees without a finding that they are guilty > of terrorism. The commissions exist so that the Executive branch can > impose sentence (such as the death sentence) on detainees who are > found guilty of engaging in terrorism (or some other war crime). > > But there is no right for detainees to be tried before a commission, > and there is no obligation for the President to bring any detainee > before a military commission. If the President does not want to > obtain a finding of guilt and impose punishment, he has no reason to > bring them before a military commission. He can just keep them > detained forever without any finding of guilt and without any > punishment being imposed (just as many of the Guantanamo detainees, > and even U.S. citizens, have been kept in cages for years with no > finding of any kind of guilt). > > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > > > I don't think there are any. > > > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > > didn't > > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > > wing > > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > > acted > > > > very > > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > > things > > > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things > > up. I > > > > was > > > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > > > argument > > > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam > > media" > > > > has > > > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
Bill O'Reilly Lied About Calling For The Pepsi Boycott He (Bill O'Reilly) says "I'm calling for all responsible americans to fight back and punish pepsi for using a man who degrades women, who encourages substance abuse and does all the things that hurt particularly the poor and our society. Then he says, "I'm calling for all americans to say, hey, pepsi, i'm not drinking your stuff. That sounds like calling for a boycott. Here is exactly what O'Reilly said, right from the transcript of his show: OREILLY: Well, look, just because you think it's in the bottle is off doesn't mean i have to accept it as an american consumer so I'm calling for all responsible americans to fight back and punish pepsi for using a man who degrades women, who encourages substance abuse and does all the things that hurt particularly the poor and our society. I'm calling for all americans to say, hey, pepsi, i'm not drinking your stuff. You want to hang around with Ludacris, you do that, I'm not hanging around with you. Am I wrong to do that? OREILLY: I don't want Ludacris to be banned. I'm not talking about that. Let Ludacris be Ludacris, all right? Thank you. Let him do what he wants. He's a dumb idiot who's got lucky and exploits the system that we have. Fine. Pepsi cola is my problem. Pepsi cola is my problem here. The lie: Bill told an e-mailer that he did not call for a pepsi boycott, because he never used the word boycott. On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > I don't think there are any. > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > didn't > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > wrote: > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > wing > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > acted > > > very > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > things > > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things > up. I > > > was > > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > > argument > > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > where > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > where > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam > media" > > > has > > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
"It’s been a rough week for our ol’ friends at Fox News. Thanks to some IP-address based research, the political world learned that the FNC was responsible for “touching up” Wikipedia pages, editing content that didn’t fit with the partisan network’s political agenda. For example, embarrassing content from Media Matters about FNC personalities was quietly removed. Criticism of Keith Olbermann and Al Franken was accentuated. The network that specializes in on-air propaganda had taken its usual schtick to Wiki pages. With that in mind, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that Fox News’ Chris Wallace — you guessed it — sought to undermine Wikipedia’s credibility with a report tonight. The irony is rich. Pay particular attention to the references to “self-serving agendas” and businesses desperate to “improve their public image.” Fox News tried to exploit Wikipedia, and got caught, so naturally it’s time to undermine the source of the network’s embarrassment. Typical." On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > I don't think there are any. > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > didn't > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > wrote: > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > wing > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > acted > > > very > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > things > > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things > up. I > > > was > > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > > argument > > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > where > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > where > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam > media" > > > has > > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States. Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise. According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997) Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) “a false, distorted or slanted story” about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX. FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre’s threat to report the station’s actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under Florida’s whistle blower statute, because Florida’s whistle blower law states that an employer must violate an adopted “law, rule, or regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly. During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, “It’s vindication for WTVT, and we’re very pleased… It’s the case we’ve been making for two years. She never had a legal claim.” On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? I don't think there are any. I gave you several in the MSM. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it didn't > mean it was real. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted > > very > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > things > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I > > was > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > argument > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Reuters go
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
In reporting and commenting on Sen. Rick Santorum's (R-PA) and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra's (R-MI) June 21 claim that a recently declassified intelligence report found that there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq prior to the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion, Fox News' Brit Hume, John Gibson, and Jim Angle, as well as nationally syndicated radio hosts Rush Limbaugh and Janet Parshall, continued to ignore conclusive assertions of intelligence officials that the degraded chemical munitions found were not, in fact, in the category of "weapons of mass destruction" that the U.S. was looking for at the time of the invasion. They also ignore the Iraq Survey Group's (ISG) September 2004 final report (also known as the Duelfer report), which noted that degraded chemical munitions had already been found in Iraq, and that they were not proof of an existing chemical weapons stockpile or of a renewed Iraqi chemical weapons program. Indeed, former ISG head Charles Duelfer stated that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra do not qualify as weapons of mass destruction, though they may still pose a local threat. Nevertheless, Hume reported that "[t]op administration officials said today that chemical and biological weapons have indeed been found in Iraq," and a report by Angle uncritically aired a statement by Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld that these munitions "are weapons of mass destruction." Further, Angle's report mischaracterized a statement by Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, to suggest that she downplayed the danger of these munitions. On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? I don't think there are any. I gave you several in the MSM. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it didn't > mean it was real. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted > > very > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > things > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I > > was > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > argument > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > where > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > where > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" > > has > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > >
[AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fox's O'Reilly Factor covered the Mark Foley (R-FL) issue in two > different segments, one of them with a page who says he received > communications from Foley, and another with Ann Coulter. Incredibly, > during a total of three different cutaways to video footage of Foley, > he was labelled at the bottom of the screen eachtime as "(D-FL)". > > Three different times. In two different segements. Each cutaway about > 15 seconds or more. Showing Foley as a Democrat. > > > > > On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > > > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > > > I don't think there are any. > > > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > > didn't > > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > > wing > > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > > acted > > > > very > > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > > things > > > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things > > up. I > > > > was > > > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > > > argument > > > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > where > > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam > > media" > > > > has > > > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUxQadgSkoA On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? I don't think there are any. I gave you several in the MSM. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it didn't > mean it was real. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted > > very > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > things > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I > > was > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > argument > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > where > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > where > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" > > has > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > >
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This is what Mort Kondracke said yesterday about the Military Commissions Act, while he sat next to Fox News anchor Brit Hume and Fred Barnes, neither of whom contested what he said: MORT KONDRACKE: Well, as to that human rights watch spokesperson, it's just false that this is — you can lock them up and throw away the key is not correct. I mean, these detainees have a right to go to a military — they have been tried in a military tribunal. The case goes on appeal to the U.S. district — the Circuit Court of appeals for the District of Columbia, second highest court in the land, which reviews the evidence. And so there is judicial review of a conviction, at least, and so, you know, it's just flatly false. What is "flatly false" is what Kondracke told Fox viewers about the Military Commissions Act. It is true that the Act creates military commissions and establishes rules for those commissions in the event that the President wants a certain detainee tried, convicted and punished (almost certainly execution). Not even the Bush-led U.S. will openly execute detainees without a finding that they are guilty of terrorism. The commissions exist so that the Executive branch can impose sentence (such as the death sentence) on detainees who are found guilty of engaging in terrorism (or some other war crime). But there is no right for detainees to be tried before a commission, and there is no obligation for the President to bring any detainee before a military commission. If the President does not want to obtain a finding of guilt and impose punishment, he has no reason to bring them before a military commission. He can just keep them detained forever without any finding of guilt and without any punishment being imposed (just as many of the Guantanamo detainees, and even U.S. citizens, have been kept in cages for years with no finding of any kind of guilt). On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:10 AM, justifiedright wrote: > Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? > > I don't think there are any. > > I gave you several in the MSM. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it > didn't > > mean it was real. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > wrote: > > > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left > wing > > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have > acted > > > very > > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > > things > > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things > up. I > > > was > > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > > argument > > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > > where > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > where > > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam > media" > > > has > > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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And Dan Rather's documents aside, where was George Bush during his TANG service? Just as the Wing Nut Wurlitzer wanted, that issue was completely abandoned. On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:40 AM, justifiedright wrote: AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and ADMITTING to doing it. Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted very > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting things > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I was > with you until you went there, at which point your entire argument > was invalidated... > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > Gary, > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > problem. > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" has > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > >
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Like Faux Noise would ADMIT it? On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:40 AM, justifiedright wrote: AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and ADMITTING to doing it. Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted very > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting things > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I was > with you until you went there, at which point your entire argument > was invalidated... > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > Gary, > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > problem. > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" has > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > >
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Any examples of them making stuff up where they didn't admit to it? I don't think there are any. I gave you several in the MSM. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't > really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it didn't > mean it was real. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > > ADMITTING to doing it. > > > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing > > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > > wrote: > > > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted > > very > > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting > things > > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I > > was > > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire > argument > > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > > where > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal > where > > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" > > has > > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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For years professional wrestling wouldn't admit that they weren't really fighting either. The fact that they wouldn't admit it didn't mean it was real. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and > ADMITTING to doing it. > > Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? > > I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing > site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. > > I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" > wrote: > > > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted > very > > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting things > > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I > was > > with you until you went there, at which point your entire argument > > was invalidated... > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > > problem. > > > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal > where > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" > has > > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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AsburyCouple I gave examples of the MSM making up stories and ADMITTING to doing it. Do you have anything on Fox that comes close? I'm sure someone on this board is going to link to some left wing site that will say they don't like Fox. That's not the point. I'm talking about admitted examples of making stuff up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted very > poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting things > other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's > intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I was > with you until you went there, at which point your entire argument > was invalidated... > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > > Just because Fox News or > > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > > > Gary, > > > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a > problem. > > > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" has > > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Tom - I'll buy that both sides of the media spectrum have acted very poorly and at times have not served the public by reporting things other than the truth. But please don't insult everyone's intelligence by saying that Rush and Fox don't make things up. I was with you until you went there, at which point your entire argument was invalidated... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > Just because Fox News or > > Rush says so doesn't make it so... > > Gary, > > CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. > > NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a problem. > > Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > they doctored photos or staged photos > > New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories > > Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal where > they doctored photos or staged photos > > > Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" has > been caught making things up and admitting it. > > I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just because Fox News or > Rush says so doesn't make it so... Gary, CBS did Dan Rather's forged document show. NBC blew up a truck with a device pretending the truck had a problem. Reuters got caught repeatedly in the "Fauxtography" scandal where they doctored photos or staged photos New York Times colunist Jayson Blair simply made up stories Associated Press got caught in the "Fauxtography" scandal where they doctored photos or staged photos Fox News and Rush don't make things up. The "mainsteam media" has been caught making things up and admitting it. I'll take Fox News for integrity any day. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Clearly this now ridiculous debate is an example of why a growing portion of the country is moving toward declaring themselves independent. People are becoming so sick of the partisan spin on both sides that lead to ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims and sniping. Facts often need not apply to the arguments made by either side. The result - a disgusted populace along with a paralyzed government. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess every single member of the Bush Administration did not lie > under oath? > > I guess Laura did not murder her ex-boyfrind in a jealous rage by > running over him in her car... not once, but twice... > > um ok, thats probably a wild conspiracy! > > :) > > On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Oh really, > > > > I guess Norman Hsu is a product of the "vast right wing conspiracy". > > > > I guess Clinton did not lie under oath? > > > > I guess Clinton does not have a bastard child from a black > > prostituteum ok, thats probably a wild conspiracy! > > > > :) > > > > > > > > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I guess every single member of the Bush Administration did not lie under oath? I guess Laura did not murder her ex-boyfrind in a jealous rage by running over him in her car... not once, but twice... um ok, thats probably a wild conspiracy! :) On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh really, I guess Norman Hsu is a product of the "vast right wing conspiracy". I guess Clinton did not lie under oath? I guess Clinton does not have a bastard child from a black prostituteum ok, thats probably a wild conspiracy! :) See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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"Just because Fox News or Rush says so doesn't make it so..." In fact, there ALWAY disproved as lies. always. It's a big drawback of Vicodin addiction. On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Gary Wien wrote: On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: > Oh! I see! Only YOUR wildly insane conspiracy theories are legitimate! This actually is a big difference between Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Republicans seem to honestly believe anything that they read on right wing sites or hear on talk radio. Those people may say they only speak the truth but they've been proving false time and time again. About 95% or more of the Clinton "conspiracies" are not nearly as true as Republicans would like to believe. Just because Fox News or Rush says so doesn't make it so...
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why do you subscribe to only HALF of the wild unfounded conspiracy theories? let yourself go, dude. get all the way into it. you're almost there now. On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, What you don't believe that JFK was killed by a cabal of jilted ex Marilyn Monroe lovers led by Arthur Miller and Joe Dimaggio. Look it up on the Globe! See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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only your wild unfounded conspiracy theories are legit... On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jersey John, I always figured you were an avid reader of the Globe. It all makes sense now! See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/12/2007 1:10:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > "Liberal Progressive Democrat"? Got anymore bias you wanna throw in there, > "Reverend"? > > Be proud of that epithet when it's thrown at you. Those words carry > negative connotations only among the herd-like dittoheads. > > > Why not add "Dirty F#&king Hippie" while you're at it. > > Commie, Pinko, vermin, dot head too. > > "Four Legs Good! Two Legs Bad!" repeated endlessly. > > > > > > ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Oh really, I guess Norman Hsu is a product of the "vast right wing conspiracy". I guess Clinton did not lie under oath? I guess Clinton does not have a bastard child from a black prostituteum ok, thats probably a wild conspiracy! :) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Jersey Shore John wrote: > Oh! I see! Only YOUR wildly insane conspiracy theories are legitimate! This actually is a big difference between Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Republicans seem to honestly believe anything that they read on right wing sites or hear on talk radio. Those people may say they only speak the truth but they've been proving false time and time again. About 95% or more of the Clinton "conspiracies" are not nearly as true as Republicans would like to believe. Just because Fox News or Rush says so doesn't make it so... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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John, What you don't believe that JFK was killed by a cabal of jilted ex Marilyn Monroe lovers led by Arthur Miller and Joe Dimaggio. Look it up on the Globe! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Oh! I see! Only YOUR wildly insane conspiracy theories are legitimate!
("Get a life"? Really? What are you, twelve years old?)
On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jersey John,
You should also dig up the John Kerry being a Viet Cong sympathizer
scandal as well.
You'll have to understand that it wasn't Bush that was involved in
the JFK killing. It was a conspiracy involving Joe Dimaggio and
Arthur Miller. They were pissed that JFK was tapping Marilyn!
Get a life!
Semper Fi!
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Jersey John, I always figured you were an avid reader of the Globe. It all makes sense now! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Jersey John, You should also dig up the John Kerry being a Viet Cong sympathizer scandal as well. You'll have to understand that it wasn't Bush that was involved in the JFK killing. It was a conspiracy involving Joe Dimaggio and Arthur Miller. They were pissed that JFK was tapping Marilyn! Get a life! Semper Fi! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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March 23, 2006—A November 29, 1963 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit memo unearthed in 1977-78 proves that former President George H. W. Bush was a member of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the recipient of a full briefing on the day after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963 when Bush was 39 years old, despite his protestations to the contrary. Additional evidence linking Bush 41 directly to the scene of the crime is available and is circulating the internet over the past few days in the form of a U.S. intelligence-leaked photo taken just after the JFK assassination at the door of the Texas Book Depository in Dealey Plaza. The individual in the photo has the identical profile and hairline of a more youthful George H. W. Bush, standing to the left of the doorway of the building just after the assassination looking in the opposite direction of the authorities who were intent upon locating Lee Harvey Oswald. The image of the elder Bush at the Texas Book Depository is authentic and can be verified by the intelligence operatives who took the picture and would testify if subpoenaed, according to U.S. intelligence expert Thomas Heneghan, who provided the photo which was leaked to others. On Sep 12, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Gary Wien wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Mario, > > > > 1. Last time I checked we're not in Europe! And actually we > > finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) > > > > Both who were right in trying to stop us from invading Iraq. Notice > I said Iraq not war. The ENTIRE world was with us to go into > Afghanistan after the Taliban. President Bush squandered the support > of the world with the Iraq invasion. > > > 2. How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill > Clinton. > > Actually, the question could be to you - how easily do you believe > things you want to believe? Clinton may or may not have been guilty > in some of the accusations but the "rape" was alleged and not proven > and it's pretty well known that right wing groups were offering money > for just about anybody they might be able to connect to the Clintons > for a story. > > Juanita said "I just don't think anyone would have believed me." -- > when asked why she didn't come forward at the time. I think she came > forward a decade later for one reason -- money. > > > How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, > > Once again... let's stay away from talk radio conspiracies. If you > want to believe those, there are plenty about this administration as > well. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 10:09:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope wherever Mario teaches, that the parents keep a watchful eye on what he teaches to his students A long and successful career in teaching. Legitimate credentials too. Governor's Teacher of the Year for my district in the mid 90s. Former students still come back to thank me, some even to explainI was the reason they chose to become teachers also. Those who didn't care for the discipline and structure, (inherited by osmosis I guess from Catholic education) in my public school class, often came back after college to credit my class for enabling to succeed and graduate in some of the top schools, in contrast to the many who get accepted but quit before graduating. And in a moderate Republican community. I won't bring up certification again, but I will suggest that as a minister, you should have learned how to spell "Isaiah." Simply through osmosis during the extensive studies of scripture which must have been required, eh? It's "Isaiah." Not Isiah. Isiah is the Knicks' coach. In a message dated 9/8/2007 10:16:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of those situations is what we did with a homeless person. Jesus talks about it at length in the gospels, but he was simply repeating what Isiah penned below Isiah 58 7"Is it not to (P)divide your bread with the hungry And (Q)bring the homeless poor into the house;... I suggest you drop this vocation angle ASAP. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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"Broaddrick could not remember the date, even the month, of the alleged 1978 incident. And NBC's Lisa Myers reported that Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's first gubernatorial campaign, attended a Clinton fund-raiser three weeks later. "I think I was still in denial," Broaddrick said. "I still felt very guilty at that time, that it was my fault. By letting him come to the room, I had given him the wrong idea." Asked about Broaddrick's allegation at a news conference earlier in the day, President Clinton said: "Well, my counsel has made a statement about the . . . issue, and I have nothing to add to it." Attorney David E. Kendall's statement called the charge "absolutely false." The nursing home operator, previously known as Jane Doe No. 5, told Myers that she felt "violated" but finally stopped resisting Clinton's sexual advances because "it was a real panicky situation." She said that "he was just a vicious, awful person." Pressed by Myers as to whether she was raped, Broaddrick said she had been. "It was not consensual," she insisted. As for her feelings now toward the president, Broaddrick said: "My hatred for him is overwhelming." NBC's decision to broadcast the Jan. 20 interview after a month of heated internal debate dramatically boosts the visibility of Clinton's latest accuser, since "Dateline" normally draws an audience of more than 10 million households. Broaddrick has already given her account of the alleged 1978 incident, when Clinton was Arkansas attorney general, to the Wall Street Journal editorial page, The Washington Post and, in an article published yesterday, the New York Times. Had NBC aired the interview during the Senate impeachment trial and the furor over Monica S. Lewinsky, it might have had a significant impact on the political climate. Whether the story has any lasting significance now, outside the context of any legal or impeachment proceeding, is unclear. NBC executives say the Myers report needed further checking and corroboration before it could be broadcast. Broaddrick was dubbed Jane Doe No. 5 in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit against Clinton early last year, when Jones's attorneys cited her in court papers and she filed an affidavit calling the allegation of sexual assault "untrue." In the interview, Broaddrick, 56, said: "I didn't want to be forced to testify about the most horrific event of my life." Broaddrick later recanted that affidavit when questioned by FBI agents working for independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr, who found her account inconclusive. Two of the House impeachment "managers" spoke to Broaddrick but did not pursue her allegation. Broaddrick told NBC she considered coming forward last year, after Kathleen E. Willey accused the president of groping her in the Oval Office. But, she said, "I just wasn't brave enough to do it." Dabbing at her eye with a tissue, Broaddrick said she agreed to go on camera because "I just couldn't hold it in any longer." She said she did not want her grandchildren to ask: "Why didn't you tell what this man did to you?" NBC interviewed four friends who say Broaddrick told them about the alleged assault soon afterward, including Norma Kelsey, who said she saw Broaddrick's swollen lip and torn pantyhose that day. But the man Broaddrick was married to at the time, Gary Hickey, told NBC he did not remember the injury or her attempt to blame it on an accident. "On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, 1. Last time I checked we're not in Europe! And actually we finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) 2. How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill Clinton. How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, and the theft of VCRs from the white house as he was leaving office (just kidding about that) 3. Clinton did get re-elected but then so did Bush. It's called our elections! 4. Things are getting better in Iraq so what MoveOn.org talking points will you be spouting next! Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhan
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I REMOVED ALL THE IRRELEVENT TEXT TO SAY ONE THING TO DOCP101 Thank you for serving Our Country, and protecting us. May God Bless you. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SAY AY! PRAISE HEM! I'd be the only athiest minister. Maybe I could start a new religion. Athiests for Jesus. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call themselves one. To prove a point I just became a Universal Ministries minister over the internet. Anyone need a marriage officiated.. > > > Wow! Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? > > Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long branch for 5,000, and maybe a 50% discount. > Click here: Ministry Training > > > > Even get waivers: Click here: Ministry Training > > > > > > > - > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > > > > > > - > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Alright Kevin - here's an issue related to a discussion we had a couple > of weeks ago that you appear to have skirted several times despite my > asking you very directly. You have been extremely critical of anyone > who questions our commander in chief on Iraq - essentially saying it is > wrong to question the CIC when our people are in harms way. So this is > the fourth time I've asked you the same question... When we were in > harms way in the balkans, did you also support our then President > Clinton as aggressively as you are now supporting Bush? > > Let's see if you can avoid skirting the issue. I'm sure the previous > times I've asked you just forgot to respond. > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > jerseykev@ writes: > > > > Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions > relevent > > to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing > to do > > with the issue. > > > > > > I do not see a logical question here. You use the word "question" when it comes to Bush, and by the way I never said it was wrong to "question" a president - I said BASH. Where did you goto debate class Mario's school of twisting people's remarks? Then in the Clinton model you use "did I support" and added a few extra's like "aggressively like I supported Bush." Being that the question is not a comparison, because the elements have no parity, I will out of respect answer what I think the question is. Presidents, no matter who, should not be political fodder during a time when our troops are engaged in a war. The Terrorists are using all of this to recruit new terrorists. Now Bush, show me over his last 6 years how many times I have written an editorial in the Asbury Park Press, or any other newspaper, for that matter in support of President Bush! Don't waste your time, never. I did however do one in a Washington DC paper at the start of the shift from Afganistan to Iraq. I will say, I only had two problems with Clinton during his 8 years. I did not like the way he handled Somalia, and Black Hawk Down is a good movie about that event. More so he lost me completely, when he looked into the eyes of the Nation on TV and lied to us all. However, show me a post here or a letter to the editor in any newspaper, where I voiced my displeasure with him? Again don't waste your time, I never did! Even though at that time I was a registered Republican. Now in fairness, Clinton did something I benefit from cause on September 20, 2000, or was it the 22 ND, either one of those two dates. I was called and invited down to the White House when he signed The Religious Land Use & Institutionalized Person's act of 2000. Unfortunately I was on other business, and coul dnot attend. I had spent pretty much the whole summer down there walking the halls to get support for RLUIPA. With him signing it, I gave him a better grade than he had with me before that date. I was grading him pretty high on economy, however that changed when VP Gore revealed that it was Gore who actually invented the Internet, and I felt technology was the driver of the economic up swing. I answered your question once before when you first asked about The Balkens, I told you I couldn't attribute american troops action to that police action, becasue it was a committment through the UN, no this independent decision. Besides Bill Clinton was not a left wing liberal. NOTE: IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DISCUS WHAT I JUST POSTED EMAIL ME PRIVATELY, BECAUSE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ASBURY PARK. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 10:09:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope wherever Mario teaches, that the parents keep a watchful eye on what he teaches to his students. Cordiali saluti, Mario ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Gary its pretty unfair to ask any soldier the "why" question. That's not his job. Civilian leaders decide "why" to go. Military leaders decide "how" to go. By the way, wasn't the old knock on GWB that he wasn't listening to his Generals? He is listening to them now, and suddenly some people are attacking the Generals. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's something for the jingoistic folks on this list > > > Sen. John Warner (R-Va.): "I hope in the recesses of your heart that > you know that strategy will continue the casualties, stress on our > forces, stress on military families, stress on all Americans. Are you > able to say at this time if we continue what you have laid before the > Congress here as a strategy, do you feel that that is making America > safer?" > > Petraeus: "Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of > action to achieve our objectives in Iraq." > > Warner: "Does that make America safer?" > > Petraeus: "Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and > sorted out in my own mind. What I have focused on and been riveted on > is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force-Iraq." > > > *** Shouldn't the ultimate mission be to make America Safer? If our > leaders can't answer that, would you like to take a shot at how Iraq > makes us safer and why we are there? (while you're at it why don't > you give an idea how many years do you expect us to be there?) > > Sometimes leaving is the best thing to do. It prevents having > thousands of losses for the same reason. > > > > > > On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > docp101@ writes: > > > > > > Clinton made a mockery of the office. > > > > > > Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. > > Finally he > > > was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ > > million dollars > > > + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was > > mocked. The > > > tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their > > > self-righteousness. > > > > > > Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. > > > > > > > > > Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. > > Thankfully most > > > are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral > > cooperation among > > > the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to > > curtail terrorism. > > > > > > That bumper sticker: "When Clinton lied, no one died." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** See what's new at > > http://www.aol.com > > > > > > > In Somalia he punked out and left Rangers & spec ops people stranded! > > Wanna put that on a bumer sticker? > > > > KB > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Leaving while clear progress is being made? You just can't stand when we finally get some good news! For every Warner I'll give you a Lieberman. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Mario is a teacher? God bless his students! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Facts become Bias only in the wharped mind. I hope wherever Mario teaches, that the parents keep a watchful eye on what he teaches to his students. KB --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/12/2007 1:10:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > "Liberal Progressive Democrat"? Got anymore bias you wanna throw in there, > "Reverend"? > > Be proud of that epithet when it's thrown at you. Those words carry > negative connotations only among the herd-like dittoheads. > > > Why not add "Dirty F#&king Hippie" while you're at it. > > Commie, Pinko, vermin, dot head too. > > "Four Legs Good! Two Legs Bad!" repeated endlessly. > > > > > > ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Here's something for the jingoistic folks on this list Sen. John Warner (R-Va.): "I hope in the recesses of your heart that you know that strategy will continue the casualties, stress on our forces, stress on military families, stress on all Americans. Are you able to say at this time if we continue what you have laid before the Congress here as a strategy, do you feel that that is making America safer?" Petraeus: "Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq." Warner: "Does that make America safer?" Petraeus: "Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind. What I have focused on and been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force-Iraq." *** Shouldn't the ultimate mission be to make America Safer? If our leaders can't answer that, would you like to take a shot at how Iraq makes us safer and why we are there? (while you're at it why don't you give an idea how many years do you expect us to be there?) Sometimes leaving is the best thing to do. It prevents having thousands of losses for the same reason. On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Kevin Brown wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Clinton made a mockery of the office. > > Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he > was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars > + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The > tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their > self-righteousness. > > Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. > > > Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. Thankfully most > are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among > the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. > > That bumper sticker: "When Clinton lied, no one died." > > > > > ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > In Somalia he punked out and left Rangers & spec ops people stranded! Wanna put that on a bumer sticker? KB
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Clinton made a mockery of the office. > > Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he > was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars > + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The > tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their > self-righteousness. > > Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. > > > Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. Thankfully most > are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among > the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. > > That bumper sticker: "When Clinton lied, no one died." > > > > > ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > In Somalia he punked out and left Rangers & spec ops people stranded! Wanna put that on a bumer sticker? KB Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Norman Hsu only worships money. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mike, > > Maybe you can offer salvation to Norman Hsu! > > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Hemeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:01 pm > Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God > > > SAY AY! PRAISE HEM! I'd be the only athiest > minister. Maybe I could start a new religion. > Athiests for Jesus. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call > themselves one. To prove a point I just became a > Universal Ministries minister over the internet. > Anyone need a marriage officiated.. > > > ? > > ? > > Wow!? Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? > > ? > > Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long > branch for 5,000,??and maybe a 50% discount. > > > Click here: Ministry Training > > ? > > > ? > > Even get waivers:?? > Click here: Ministry Training > > > > > > > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get > online. > > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check > out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Gary, Keep in mind the French did not want us to go to war to protect that. Also keep in mind that Juanita Broderick was in no ways a republican or a conservative.? She was democrat as was Kathleen Willey who was a democratic volunteer and who alleged that Clinton?sexually assaulted her.? She got ripped by the vast left wing conspiracy.? Not sure what happened with Vince Foster other than he was having an affair with Hillary.? I'd probably commit suicide as well! -Original Message- From: Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 7:27 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Mario, > > 1. Last time I checked we're not in Europe! And actually we > finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) > Both who were right in trying to stop us from invading Iraq. Notice I said Iraq not war. The ENTIRE world was with us to go into Afghanistan after the Taliban. President Bush squandered the support of the world with the Iraq invasion. > 2. How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill Clinton. Actually, the question could be to you - how easily do you believe things you want to believe? Clinton may or may not have been guilty in some of the accusations but the "rape" was alleged and not proven and it's pretty well known that right wing groups were offering money for just about anybody they might be able to connect to the Clintons for a story. Juanita said "I just don't think anyone would have believed me." -- when asked why she didn't come forward at the time. I think she came forward a decade later for one reason -- money. > How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, Once again... let's stay away from talk radio conspiracies. If you want to believe those, there are plenty about this administration as well. Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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On Sep 12, 2007, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Mario, > > 1. Last time I checked we're not in Europe! And actually we > finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) > Both who were right in trying to stop us from invading Iraq. Notice I said Iraq not war. The ENTIRE world was with us to go into Afghanistan after the Taliban. President Bush squandered the support of the world with the Iraq invasion. > 2. How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill Clinton. Actually, the question could be to you - how easily do you believe things you want to believe? Clinton may or may not have been guilty in some of the accusations but the "rape" was alleged and not proven and it's pretty well known that right wing groups were offering money for just about anybody they might be able to connect to the Clintons for a story. Juanita said "I just don't think anyone would have believed me." -- when asked why she didn't come forward at the time. I think she came forward a decade later for one reason -- money. > How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, Once again... let's stay away from talk radio conspiracies. If you want to believe those, there are plenty about this administration as well. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 5:49:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, I wrote: To really find out what label applies to you, try this site. You answer a series of questions; then your views are charted on a graph with not the simple continuum, but with a sophisticated graph, with both horizontal and vertical (forgot what they're called.) I forgot the link: _https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/_ (https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Mario, 1.? Last time I checked we're not in Europe!? And actually we finally have favorable regimes in old Europe (Germany and France) 2.? How quickly you forget the Juanita Broderick rape by Bill Clinton.? How quickly you forget the Vince Foster suicide, and?the theft of VCRs from the white house as he was leaving office (just kidding about that) 3.??Clinton did get re-elected?but then so?did?Bush.??It's called our elections! 4.? Things are getting better in Iraq so what MoveOn.org talking points will you be spouting next! Semper Fi! ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton.? Finally he was outed for a BJ.? Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations.? How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked.? The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their self-righteousness.? ? Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. ? ? Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world.? Thankfully most are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. ? That bumper sticker:? "When Clinton lied, no one died." See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Mario, As an ex vet I have and will always defend your right to say what you want to say despite the lack of proper perspective displayed by you...it's your right to be clueless! And patriotism is not jingoism...I support the troops, I support our great nation, an I support your right to be a freak! Semper Fi! USA USA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm going to humor you here.? Please advise whats wrong with patriotism.? USA USA USA is a good thing and not a bad thing.? Love of country leads! Gonna humor you for you go back to the spam folder where you remain unread. ? Nothing wrong with patriotism.? Jingoism is not patriotism.? ? Sam Johnson - "The last refuge of scoundrels is patriotism."? That kind of patriotism is one form of jingoism. ? This White House manual for discouraging dissent, secret until it had to be released by a court case, instructed Bush squad of rah-rah's to shout "USA!" over and over again so the media could not hear protestors,? And they were to be blocked from the media's cameras.? I posted links to that manual a few days ago. ? USA! USA! USA! belongs in the sports arena maybe.? Not as a tactic to stifle freedom of speech. ? ? Love of country is great, as long as it doesn't turn into Chauvinism. ? But USA! has been part of "dirty tricks" in many a campaign function to suppress.? That's not love of country. ? Remember that old chestnut: I may disagree with what you say, but I'll depend to the death your right to say it.? (various authors). ? That's love of country. ? ? See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:10:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton made a mockery of the office. Only after several years of dogging (Whitewater etc) of Clinton. Finally he was outed for a BJ. Some Americans saw that a waste of 60+ million dollars + in investigations. How'd he win reelection if the office was mocked. The tight ass religious right who used a private sex to enhance their self-righteousness. Europeans thought we were foolish about the issue. Bush has lost our respect and integrity around the world. Thankfully most are anti_Bush, not anti-American. We'll need multilateral cooperation among the various diplomatic corps and other agencies world-wide to curtail terrorism. That bumper sticker: "When Clinton lied, no one died." ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm going to humor you here. Please advise whats wrong with patriotism. USA USA USA is a good thing and not a bad thing. Love of country leads! Gonna humor you for you go back to the spam folder where you remain unread. Nothing wrong with patriotism. Jingoism is not patriotism. Sam Johnson - "The last refuge of scoundrels is patriotism." That kind of patriotism is one form of jingoism. This White House manual for discouraging dissent, secret until it had to be released by a court case, instructed Bush squad of rah-rah's to shout "USA!" over and over again so the media could not hear protestors, And they were to be blocked from the media's cameras. I posted links to that manual a few days ago. USA! USA! USA! belongs in the sports arena maybe. Not as a tactic to stifle freedom of speech. Love of country is great, as long as it doesn't turn into Chauvinism. But USA! has been part of "dirty tricks" in many a campaign function to suppress. That's not love of country. Remember that old chestnut: I may disagree with what you say, but I'll depend to the death your right to say it. (various authors). That's love of country. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 5:59:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario, Blah Blah. If this is your idea of intimidation, you are doing a poor job. The intimidation was in your private email to me. But then I've come to expect nothing less from you! You can expect my continued efforts to respond to what I consider bs. Now can we end this thread since every one (myself included) has made their respective points. So Lets move on about how to make money in AP. I wasn't able to responded to this thread until today. My respective point have been made for now, depending on what comes down the pike. I won't be responding to yours because your still go to the spam folder. I see your posts only when they're attached to other posts. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Mike, Maybe you can offer salvation to Norman Hsu! -Original Message- From: Mike Hemeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God SAY AY! PRAISE HEM! I'd be the only athiest minister. Maybe I could start a new religion. Athiests for Jesus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call themselves one. To prove a point I just became a Universal Ministries minister over the internet. Anyone need a marriage officiated.. ? ? Wow!? Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? ? Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long branch for 5,000,??and maybe a 50% discount. Click here: Ministry Training ? ? Even get waivers:?? Click here: Ministry Training See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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AsburyCouple, This was directed to Kevin, but let me answer this directly for you...though i did not at all agree with Clinton in the Balkans, (I felt we should have gone in massively rather than with pinprick bombings) I did not outright questions our CIC since I have respect for the office of the leader of the free world.? This is despite the fact Clinton made a mockery of the office. In a way I also realized that we were forced to go in because of the ineptitude of Nato, the EU, and UN.? We wanted them to handle it and they bungled it! Is that direct enough for you? -Original Message- From: asburycouple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 5:59 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God Alright Kevin - here's an issue related to a discussion we had a couple of weeks ago that you appear to have skirted several times despite my asking you very directly. You have been extremely critical of anyone who questions our commander in chief on Iraq - essentially saying it is wrong to question the CIC when our people are in harms way. So this is the fourth time I've asked you the same question... When we were in harms way in the balkans, did you also support our then President Clinton as aggressively as you are now supporting Bush? Let's see if you can avoid skirting the issue. I'm sure the previous times I've asked you just forgot to respond. > > In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions relevent > to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do > with the issue. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Mario, I'm going to humor you here.? Please advise whats wrong with patriotism.? USA USA USA is a good thing and not a bad thing.? Love of country leads! Semper Fi! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/11/2007 5:05:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe one of the worst things to happen in my lifetime was NAFTA which I blame Clinton for.? Most liberals or at least labor unions did also.?? Clinton's wing of the Democratic Party was quite moderate on?economic and trade issues: The Democratic Leadership group. ? I admit I lean liberal on a lot of issues and conservative on others.? Kinda sounds independent to me.? Goldwater came out for gay rights; Lester Maddox late in life apologized for his opposition to the MLK Civil Rights movement;? Wm. F. Buckley, father of modern conservatism, favors the?legalization of drugs which now called illicit;?Hagel and other Republicans oppose Bush's handling of the war.? No need to admit.? Anyone who understands politics knows the continuum of political views on various issues ? To really find out what label applies to you, try this site.? You answer a series of questions; then your views are charted on a graph with not the simple continuum, but with a sophisticated graph, with both horizontal and vertical (forgot what they're called.) ?But I guess because I don't worship at the altar of guys like Rush Limbaugh I would be considered a liberal.? ?I love those guys.? "Dittoheads" -- they proudly say they're a ditto head and then say the other side doesn't have a brain.? Amazing! Dittoheads are our era's version of the herd animals in Animal Farm:? no understanding, just bleating of slogans to out-shout dissenters:? "Four legs good!? Two Legs bad!"? "Love it or Leave it."? "These Colors don't Run," "USA! USA! USA!" et al. See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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SAY AY! PRAISE HEM! I'd be the only athiest minister. Maybe I could start a new religion. Athiests for Jesus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call themselves one. To prove a point I just became a Universal Ministries minister over the internet. Anyone need a marriage officiated.. Wow! Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long branch for 5,000, and maybe a 50% discount. Click here: Ministry Training Even get waivers: Click here: Ministry Training - See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
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Alright Kevin - here's an issue related to a discussion we had a couple of weeks ago that you appear to have skirted several times despite my asking you very directly. You have been extremely critical of anyone who questions our commander in chief on Iraq - essentially saying it is wrong to question the CIC when our people are in harms way. So this is the fourth time I've asked you the same question... When we were in harms way in the balkans, did you also support our then President Clinton as aggressively as you are now supporting Bush? Let's see if you can avoid skirting the issue. I'm sure the previous times I've asked you just forgot to respond. > > In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions relevent > to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do > with the issue. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 3:57:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use to hide my money in my freezer, years ago. >From tuition checks? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Mario, Blah Blah.? If this is your idea of intimidation, you are doing a poor job.? But then I've come to expect nothing less from you! Now can we end this thread since every one (myself included) has made their respective points.? So Lets move on about how to?make money in AP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Liberals Have No God In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues.? I answer questions relevent to the issue.? I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do with the issue.? Depends on what you mean by "skirt."? Juggling excerpts from scripture and slogans are shallow answers to questions about most issues raised here.? E.g.:? How will Asbury Park Benefit from JSRM. I also do not respond to people who do not have a profile identifying who they really are. Nor I.? ? doc_p has no profile, and I've had experiences with his sending me personal email whose tone and intent was?to intimidate me from posting my perspectives here.? (2-3 yrs. ago)? Yahoo suggested, as a first response, that I delete, without reading, or auto send his mail to spam and save for their future reference. ? ? ? See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 8:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes but anyone can become a preacher or call themselves one. To prove a point I just became a Universal Ministries minister over the internet. Anyone need a marriage officiated.. Wow! Gonna change to RevTVnetDude? Was it cheaper than the one you could get in Long branch for 5,000, and maybe a 50% discount. _Click here: Ministry Training_ (http://web.archive.org/web/20050121072817/www.lighthousemission.com/SCHOOL.htm) Even get waivers: _Click here: Ministry Training_ (http://web.archive.org/web/20060207181424/www.lighthousemission.com/SCHOOL.htm) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/11/2007 3:39:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure he's not, but...whenever somebody posts something that addresses how the homeless population effects AP and it's residents, he never answers the question, he just skirts the issue. See why: _Liberals More Likely Than Conservatives To Break From Habitual ..._ (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/07091852.htm) Science Daily (press release) - USA Science Daily -- Liberals are more likely than are conservatives to respond to cues signaling the need to change habitual responses, according to a new study ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/07091852.htm) _Brain Differences In Liberals and Conservatives_ (http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/11/0215210) Slashdot - USA i_like_spam writes "Scientists from NYU and UCLA report in Nature Neuroscience that the brains of Democrats and Republicans process information differently. ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/11/0215210) _Do You Have a Left-Wing or a Right-Wing Brain?_ (http://www.elliottwave.com/features/default.aspx?cat=mw*aid=*time=pm) Elliott Wave - Gainesville,GA,USA Scientists at New York University and UCLA published their study this week in the journal Nature Neuroscience. It turns out that liberals cope with ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.elliottwave.com/features/default.aspx?cat=mw*aid=*time=pm) _Political Science, Meet Politicized Science_ (http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/09/political_science_meet_politic.html) Discovery Institute - Seattle,WA,USA (A) specific region of the brain's cortex is more sensitive in people who consider themselves liberals than in self-declared conservatives," they advise us. _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/09/political_science_meet_politic.html) Google Blogs Alert: _Liberals More Likely Than Conservatives To Break From Habitual ..._ (http://science .originalsignal.com/article/32661/liberals-more-likely-than-conservatives-to-break-from-habitual-responses-study-finds.html) Liberals are more likely than are conservatives to respond to cues signaling the need to change habitual responses, according to a new study by researchers at New York University and UCLA. The findings, which show that self-rated ... _Original Signal - Transmitting Science - http://science.originalsignal.com _ (http://science.originalsignal.com/) _Neuroscience News - Healthcare Industry Today_ (http://health.einnews.com/news/neuroscience) Study: Liberal And Conservative Brains Process Information Differently 10 Sep 2007 01:50 GMT ... UCLA showed through a simple experiment to be reported ... _Study finds left-wing brain, right-wing brain_ (http://tailrank.com/2571493/Study-finds-left-wing-brain-right-wing-brain) Even in humdrum nonpolitical decisions, liberals and conservatives ... in the journal Nature Neuroscience , scientists at New York University and UCLA show ... _Study: Liberal And Conservative Brains Process Information ..._ (http://www.brownpride.us/forum/study-liberal-and-conservative-brains-process-information -differently-t11263.html) Conservatives see black & white, liberals see shades of gray. reported Monday in the journal Nature Neuroscience that political orientation is related ... _#"Liberals had more brain activity and made fewer mistakes than ..._ (http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/2bc0daf55 328/93ada65a2c1e6f6a) liberals tolerate ambiguity and conflict better than conservatives because of how their brains work. Scientists at New York University and UCLA showed ... _Sexy Hot Beauty: UCLA Discovers Liberal Brain, Conservative Brain_ (http://sexyhotbeauty.blogspot.com/2007/09/ucla-discovers-liberal-brain.html) UCLA Discovers Liberal Brain, Conservative Brain ... experiment reported todayin the journal Nature Neuroscience, scientists at New York University and UCLA ... Google News Alert: _Bruin Recap - So Far, So Good_ (http://laist.com/2007/09/04/ucla_bruin_recap.php) LAist - Los Angeles,CA,USA Since it's already Tuesday and UCLA's 45-17 victory over lowly Stanford feels like an eternity ago, we won't give you any game recap of what was an ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ncl=http://laist.com/2007/09/04/ucla_bruin_recap.php) _Dirty Larry_ (http://www.slate.com/id/2173015/) Slate - USA A few liberal bloggers point out Craig's support for the federal Defense of Marriage Act, plus his opposition to a bill that would have banned job ... _See all stories on this topic_ (http://news.goo
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In a message dated 9/12/2007 1:10:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Liberal Progressive Democrat"? Got anymore bias you wanna throw in there, "Reverend"? Be proud of that epithet when it's thrown at you. Those words carry negative connotations only among the herd-like dittoheads. Why not add "Dirty F#&king Hippie" while you're at it. Commie, Pinko, vermin, dot head too. "Four Legs Good! Two Legs Bad!" repeated endlessly. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/11/2007 5:05:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe one of the worst things to happen in my lifetime was NAFTA which I blame Clinton for. Most liberals or at least labor unions did also. Clinton's wing of the Democratic Party was quite moderate on economic and trade issues: The Democratic Leadership group. I admit I lean liberal on a lot of issues and conservative on others. Kinda sounds independent to me. Goldwater came out for gay rights; Lester Maddox late in life apologized for his opposition to the MLK Civil Rights movement; Wm. F. Buckley, father of modern conservatism, favors the legalization of drugs which now called illicit; Hagel and other Republicans oppose Bush's handling of the war. No need to admit. Anyone who understands politics knows the continuum of political views on various issues To really find out what label applies to you, try this site. You answer a series of questions; then your views are charted on a graph with not the simple continuum, but with a sophisticated graph, with both horizontal and vertical (forgot what they're called.) But I guess because I don't worship at the altar of guys like Rush Limbaugh I would be considered a liberal. I love those guys. "Dittoheads" -- they proudly say they're a ditto head and then say the other side doesn't have a brain. Amazing! Dittoheads are our era's version of the herd animals in Animal Farm: no understanding, just bleating of slogans to out-shout dissenters: "Four legs good! Two Legs bad!" "Love it or Leave it." "These Colors don't Run," "USA! USA! USA!" et al. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:57:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just so the group knows, I do not skirt issues. I answer questions relevent to the issue. I never respond to personal questions that have nothing to do with the issue. Depends on what you mean by "skirt." Juggling excerpts from scripture and slogans are shallow answers to questions about most issues raised here. E.g.: How will Asbury Park Benefit from JSRM. I also do not respond to people who do not have a profile identifying who they really are. Nor I. doc_p has no profile, and I've had experiences with his sending me personal email whose tone and intent was to intimidate me from posting my perspectives here. (2-3 yrs. ago) Yahoo suggested, as a first response, that I delete, without reading, or auto send his mail to spam and save for their future reference. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:53:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The founding Fathers were sneaking around avoiding King George's warrants for their deaths. They were forced to stop being in public places with scheduled events, including church services. Church services were not a problem for King George, not the current King George Dubya, George III; many of the Founding Fathers were mambers of the English Church. Our Founding Fathers were sneaks. They were among the most courageous ( to flout English law) and enlightened thinkers (to create documents separating church laws from civil laws: legality from private morality) of their time. And so they struggled to create a secular society which grants freedom of conscience and religion Don't mean to pontificate, but gotta separate the ballon juice from the facts. Use a spittoon for the former. Leave it to the courst to derive "truth" from interpreting the date and looking at the facts in the context of their times/ ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:17:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jersey John, Not sure what your rambling post was about but this sure sounds Republican... GOD BLESS AMERICA! No "America" in the Sermon of the Mount.Rather the sermon refers to the "Blessed are..." as any people who cultivate certain virtues. I don't think Tom Delay's America or the corrupt of all stripes and any domain would be among the Blessed. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/11/2007 10:01:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The examples you have given equal religion vs. no religion. Pick one of your examples. Let me make it perfectly clear, in my opinion, religion causes more problems than it is worth. Reasonable conclusion from history: Jihadist beheadings, "Christian" Inquisition trials, or shootings at Abortion clinics. Strict dogmatism in any group. Stalinists as Secular Religionists; Fascist race superiority; Klu Klux Klans crosses ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/11/2007 3:32:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Brown is no monkey. Correct. I know because one of his web sites says he can ordain me as a minister. For $5,000 and six months study; moreover, some of the prerequisites for admission can be waived after a personal interview. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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In a message dated 9/11/2007 3:25:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think it comes from the time when this country was first founded. > Bible toting people formed the Nation Under God. Under a Creator. The founding fathers were deists and not church-going men as a whole. And those who were not theists or deists were extremely skeptical of organized religion, having suffered under monarchs who claimed Divine Right. Even mainstrean Protestism was suspicious Catholics and the allegiance to the Dogma proclaimed by the Vatican and any religionists who assumed to intervene between God and any individual person. The Dutch capitalistist/settlers under Peter Stuyvesant fought any laws based on religion as a practical matter: it would interfere with their multicultural worldwide trading. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
