[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
1. Maybe let's start by saying f the government, we don't need you. Gogg start. AP can start by cutting a check for this years fiscal support - schools, government, grants, housing and helping the poor of AP. 2. uh, the government provides housing, for example, a family of 4. A mother and three kids. $1600-1800 a month in rental payment is $20k a year in rent paid by - the government. What';s that mean if the person had to work to earn it? 3. Add to that medical care (which does exist), schooling etc... Never mind. the guy on the plane next to me last night told me he was a rocket scientist. Actually he said, he was an "anti-rocket scientist". Kept me "occupied" for over 2 hours. he was a physicist. like he said. when the engineers or grad physicists apply or get a job at Lockheed, he tells them "you are all the best, the brighest straight A students..." Kind of what my dad told his students and me (except the straight A part) What you should do, if you go to "protest" or organize or whatever, have a cookie jar there for the Food Bank and for every beer you down, toss a buck their way. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "fancypaaantz" wrote: > > Did you see this? I had posted it on Facebook. I did not mean it as anti OWS, > being Gen X, it just cracked me up > > http://gizmodo.com/5851062/generation-x-is-sick-of-your-bullshit > yep. took a few days to visit my mother-inlaw in the villages in central florida. the retirement community. Bunch of pretty happy retired or semi-retired campers 50's on up. secluded here where in 6 months they built another couple hundred homes and sell them. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
As someone who spent all of yesterday in Colonial Williamsburg (I had a lecture at the College of William and Mary) and part of today in Manhattan with the Occupy Wall Street community, I take issue with some of the criticisms being levied here on both Occupy Wall Street and the fledgling Occupy Asbury Park. First, movement building takes time. I can attest to this with near fifteen years under my belt as a full-time educator/organizer in the world of social justice. To charge that the OWS group has not seized the moment is to not completely understand what is happening. From what I saw and experienced today, measured against my personal experience in grassroots organizing and my years of study, I will attest that this is how revolutions begin. It is disorganized and messy and organic. You are watching history. Wait and see. Second, with regard to the Occupy Asbury Park crowd meeting at Bond Street Bar (and thus my mention of Colonial Williamsburg), the American Revolution was discussed, debated, and planned in part at the Raleigh Tavern in Williamsburg. Do not discount this effort. Again, wait and see. Peace, JWK -- Jim Keady, Director Educating for Justice, Inc. j...@educatingforjustice.org 732.988.7322 www.educatingforjustice.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
It's rare, but it happens --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Dubrow wrote: > > How about that Jack, we agree on something politicalmiracles do occur... > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
How about that Jack, we agree on something politicalmiracles do occur... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
Did you see this? I had posted it on Facebook. I did not mean it as anti OWS, being Gen X, it just cracked me up http://gizmodo.com/5851062/generation-x-is-sick-of-your-bullshit --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > I agree completely. I think OWAP and the Bond street thing are just jumping > on a bandwagon without thinking before you leap. > > At least in NYC, they are there 24/7, doing the best they can and getting > tons of attention. Sitting around a bar isn't exactly protesting. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > > Well, I am one the 1% who thinks that OWS, as imperfect as it is, is a good > > thing. It got the conversation started. The thingy at the Bond St bar is > > just a business gimmick. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > > > Absolutely. Too many causes dilute the entire movement. Carrying signs > > > that say "Tax the Rich" don't help much either. Vilifying people because > > > the government blew it with our tax codes isn't going to solve anything. > > > > > > In my opinion, they should be occupying Capital Hill, and the offices of > > > Congress and Senate members. > > > > > > As for Occupy Bond Street...absolutely ridiculous. Here's how that one > > > will go (it's tonight by the way) > > > 1) Get to your nice warm, safe and comfy bar with great comfort food > > > 2) Drink up! > > > 3) Yell about taxes, or the government > > > 4) Drink up! > > > 5) "Hey man, we are the 99%" > > > 6) Drink up! > > > 7) Stumble home and watch some TV > > > > > > And this is coming from a guy who was initially excited by OWS and > > > supportive of the movement. > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: > > > > > > > > OWS had a perfect opportunity to make "putting a stop to corporate > > > > interests/lobbying that has corrupted the government" their message and > > > > they blew it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: "Hinge" > > > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:57:21 > > > > To: > > > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar > > > > > > > > Somebody has created a Facebook group called "Occupy Asbury Park" and > > > > an event to support OWS called "Occupy Bond Street Bar", in which they > > > > are going to have prizes and giveaways. > > > > > > > > OAP's mission statement claims "WE HAVE NO LEADER" > > > > > > > > What a joke. This just dilutes the actually OWS movement, which itself > > > > is becoming a bit of a joke. We live 1 hour away and all people can > > > > come up with is go to a bar, get drunk and get mad at people because > > > > it's becoming a trendy thing to do. > > > > > > > > Ugh... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
I agree completely. I think OWAP and the Bond street thing are just jumping on a bandwagon without thinking before you leap. At least in NYC, they are there 24/7, doing the best they can and getting tons of attention. Sitting around a bar isn't exactly protesting. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > Well, I am one the 1% who thinks that OWS, as imperfect as it is, is a good > thing. It got the conversation started. The thingy at the Bond St bar is just > a business gimmick. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > Absolutely. Too many causes dilute the entire movement. Carrying signs that > > say "Tax the Rich" don't help much either. Vilifying people because the > > government blew it with our tax codes isn't going to solve anything. > > > > In my opinion, they should be occupying Capital Hill, and the offices of > > Congress and Senate members. > > > > As for Occupy Bond Street...absolutely ridiculous. Here's how that one will > > go (it's tonight by the way) > > 1) Get to your nice warm, safe and comfy bar with great comfort food > > 2) Drink up! > > 3) Yell about taxes, or the government > > 4) Drink up! > > 5) "Hey man, we are the 99%" > > 6) Drink up! > > 7) Stumble home and watch some TV > > > > And this is coming from a guy who was initially excited by OWS and > > supportive of the movement. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: > > > > > > OWS had a perfect opportunity to make "putting a stop to corporate > > > interests/lobbying that has corrupted the government" their message and > > > they blew it > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: "Hinge" > > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:57:21 > > > To: > > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar > > > > > > Somebody has created a Facebook group called "Occupy Asbury Park" and an > > > event to support OWS called "Occupy Bond Street Bar", in which they are > > > going to have prizes and giveaways. > > > > > > OAP's mission statement claims "WE HAVE NO LEADER" > > > > > > What a joke. This just dilutes the actually OWS movement, which itself is > > > becoming a bit of a joke. We live 1 hour away and all people can come up > > > with is go to a bar, get drunk and get mad at people because it's > > > becoming a trendy thing to do. > > > > > > Ugh... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
Well, I am one the 1% who thinks that OWS, as imperfect as it is, is a good thing. It got the conversation started. The thingy at the Bond St bar is just a business gimmick. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > Absolutely. Too many causes dilute the entire movement. Carrying signs that > say "Tax the Rich" don't help much either. Vilifying people because the > government blew it with our tax codes isn't going to solve anything. > > In my opinion, they should be occupying Capital Hill, and the offices of > Congress and Senate members. > > As for Occupy Bond Street...absolutely ridiculous. Here's how that one will > go (it's tonight by the way) > 1) Get to your nice warm, safe and comfy bar with great comfort food > 2) Drink up! > 3) Yell about taxes, or the government > 4) Drink up! > 5) "Hey man, we are the 99%" > 6) Drink up! > 7) Stumble home and watch some TV > > And this is coming from a guy who was initially excited by OWS and supportive > of the movement. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: > > > > OWS had a perfect opportunity to make "putting a stop to corporate > > interests/lobbying that has corrupted the government" their message and > > they blew it > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Hinge" > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:57:21 > > To: > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar > > > > Somebody has created a Facebook group called "Occupy Asbury Park" and an > > event to support OWS called "Occupy Bond Street Bar", in which they are > > going to have prizes and giveaways. > > > > OAP's mission statement claims "WE HAVE NO LEADER" > > > > What a joke. This just dilutes the actually OWS movement, which itself is > > becoming a bit of a joke. We live 1 hour away and all people can come up > > with is go to a bar, get drunk and get mad at people because it's becoming > > a trendy thing to do. > > > > Ugh... > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar
Absolutely. Too many causes dilute the entire movement. Carrying signs that say "Tax the Rich" don't help much either. Vilifying people because the government blew it with our tax codes isn't going to solve anything. In my opinion, they should be occupying Capital Hill, and the offices of Congress and Senate members. As for Occupy Bond Street...absolutely ridiculous. Here's how that one will go (it's tonight by the way) 1) Get to your nice warm, safe and comfy bar with great comfort food 2) Drink up! 3) Yell about taxes, or the government 4) Drink up! 5) "Hey man, we are the 99%" 6) Drink up! 7) Stumble home and watch some TV And this is coming from a guy who was initially excited by OWS and supportive of the movement. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: > > OWS had a perfect opportunity to make "putting a stop to corporate > interests/lobbying that has corrupted the government" their message and they > blew it > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "Hinge" > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:57:21 > To: > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AsburyPark] Occupy Asbury Park/Occupy Bond St. Bar > > Somebody has created a Facebook group called "Occupy Asbury Park" and an > event to support OWS called "Occupy Bond Street Bar", in which they are going > to have prizes and giveaways. > > OAP's mission statement claims "WE HAVE NO LEADER" > > What a joke. This just dilutes the actually OWS movement, which itself is > becoming a bit of a joke. We live 1 hour away and all people can come up with > is go to a bar, get drunk and get mad at people because it's becoming a > trendy thing to do. > > Ugh... > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
