[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > New Brunswick, New Jersey is a vibrant city of 49,000 residents, a > number that triples during the business day with college students, > corporate and business employees, hospital and health care workers > and visitors. It is a community with richly diverse neighborhoods, a > bustling downtown, and an innovative and popular cultural arts center. > > Within a few city blocks converge Johnson & Johnson's world > headquarters, Rutgers-The State University of New Jersey, the > country's largest medical school, two premiere academic hospitals, > three professional theaters, and several four-star restaurants. > > On behalf of New Brunswick City Market, Inc., the nonprofit > corporation serving as the management company for New Brunswick's > Special Improvement District (SID), we welcome you to explore our > city. Asbury Park, New Jersey is a confused City of 17,000 residents, a number that decreases during the business day as students, corporate and business employees, hospital and health care workers and shoppers leave to go elsewhere. It is a community with poor, diverse neighborhoods, an unused downtown, and the wasted potential and history as a cultural arts center. Within a few city blocks converge no corporate headquarters, a poorly rated school system, no institutes of higher learning, the country's longest drawnout redevelopment project, two crumbling historic buildings, three unused theaters, and several over priced antiques shops. As a long time observer and student of Asbury Park History now serving as the City Historian in Exile for Asbury Park, I encourage you to take stock of reality, learn as much about what has happened here you can and demand better planning for this City. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
> You're right, but I also see hundreds of people who are not there for the > hospital, don't work there, and don't attend Rutgers. Places like the State > Theatre and George Street attract visitors from around the state (as the > arts generally does...) But there are 24 hours in a day - those shows, while they do attract a good crowd, in general, do not support such places as a Subway or Rafferty's during the day. Read on: New Brunswick, New Jersey is a vibrant city of 49,000 residents, a number that triples during the business day with college students, corporate and business employees, hospital and health care workers and visitors. It is a community with richly diverse neighborhoods, a bustling downtown, and an innovative and popular cultural arts center. Within a few city blocks converge Johnson & Johnson's world headquarters, Rutgers-The State University of New Jersey, the country's largest medical school, two premiere academic hospitals, three professional theaters, and several four-star restaurants. On behalf of New Brunswick City Market, Inc., the nonprofit corporation serving as the management company for New Brunswick's Special Improvement District (SID), we welcome you to explore our city. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
> AP has no University, no Corporations, no Hospital, no major rail > line, etc,. AP had, as its "industry", recreational tourism. That has > now been eliminated and replaced with high density residential uses. > > The parking Decks in NB are a direct response to the need. The > parking did not cause those resources to spring up. Quite the > opposite, the land uses created the need for the parking. > You're right. What happens in one town doesn't mean it will work elsewhere, but why would I go to a town like Asbury Park to shop or eat out if I can't find a place to park? I think it goes both ways. You give me easy access to parking and I'll come. I've found myself going to New Brunswick an awful lot simply because it's easy. I'd rather park and walk than spend my time searching for the last remaining space. Of course, many won't even look... They'll just leave. And that's why Asbury should think more about parking. Whether or not you want garages, parking is a problem that's only going to get worse and I think you've pointed that out before. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
On 2/28/06 11:41 AM, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > New Brunswick has built in clients. The hospital, rutgers, offices and > destination points. A train station that you can feel decent about > leaving your car. Within 5 miles, you have enough office workers to at > least get some to come to downtown to eat. Having done that while You're right, but I also see hundreds of people who are not there for the hospital, don't work there, and don't attend Rutgers. Places like the State Theatre and George Street attract visitors from around the state (as the arts generally does...) And, places like the Stone Pony, the Saint, Convention Hall and the Paramount Theatre are destination points as well. Ask the Stone Pony where the majority of their visitors live... Normally, it's not Monmouth County. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > New Brunswick is also a town with a tremendous amount of foot traffic > throughout the town. While there are tons of big businesses there, > much traffic is from people shopping, eating in the restaurants, and > attending live events. Personally, I think the town does so well > because they have made it very easy for people who don't know the > area very well to find parking. Your observations are quite good, and actually highlight a common error people make. That is, concluding that since something works in one community it would work in another. Asbury Park is so different from New Brunswick that a leap of faith such as that can not be made. AP has no University, no Corporations, no Hospital, no major rail line, etc,. AP had, as its "industry", recreational tourism. That has now been eliminated and replaced with high density residential uses. The parking Decks in NB are a direct response to the need. The parking did not cause those resources to spring up. Quite the opposite, the land uses created the need for the parking. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
New Brunswick has built in clients. The hospital, rutgers, offices and destination points. A train station that you can feel decent about leaving your car. Within 5 miles, you have enough office workers to at least get some to come to downtown to eat. Having done that while working in Piscataway at least once per week, paying an extra $2.00 for my lunch - just to park. Might of done it more often, had it not been that $2.00 fee. That area has turned around - after probably a billion so far in spending. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
On 2/28/06 11:16 AM, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Call them whatever makes you comfortable, > lots, decks, garages, etc they'll need to be in close proximity to > venues, and I doubt they'll turn significant revenue. It would be interesting to see a study of parking decks in New Brunswick and how they affect the traffic throughout the town. Of all of the towns we distribute our paper to New Brunswick has the most parking garages. There's at least 3-4 major size ones. Most, if not all, seem to be full each day with parking at about $1 per hour up to $12-15 per day. New Brunswick is also a town with a tremendous amount of foot traffic throughout the town. While there are tons of big businesses there, much traffic is from people shopping, eating in the restaurants, and attending live events. Personally, I think the town does so well because they have made it very easy for people who don't know the area very well to find parking. Now, Werner is right in that New Brunswick has offered their parking garages on the side streets (with plenty of signs for the garages on the main roads) and that's probably the best way to do it; however, the important thing is giving people a place to park. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
Start here: http://www.planning.org/conferencecoverage/2005/monday/shoupsession.htm http://www.ionet.net/~luttrell/history.html http://www.pom.com/ http://www.otiglobal.com/content.aspx?id=41 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
"Regarding the Down Town - That is different context entirely, It's compact, has residential, will have parking decks, and MAY have destination business eventually." If Tom will tolerate day trippers patronizing Asbury's bars, restaurants and entertainment, they'll have to be provided parking or that business will wither. Call them whatever makes you comfortable, lots, decks, garages, etc they'll need to be in close proximity to venues, and I doubt they'll turn significant revenue. Reidy seems convinced that "pay parking" is going to be a sort of home run for Asbury, I doubt it. Towns lost the retail war over free and easy parking, consumers have been trained for 50 some years to expect parking or travel to where it's available. I've asked Terry if he's seen any cost/benefit analyses re parking meters; they must exist and for a town like Asbury I can't imagine revenue and fines recover initial investment in anything but Fishman time, i.e. 30+ years. Further, why piss-off out of towners with a disincentive to come here? Being the exception to the rule of sneaking up on parked cars to levy fines, would I'm convinced pay big dividends; reminds me when I first moved to Toronto, they have signs in all the city parks "Pease walk on the grass", sidebar, today they even welcome you to smoke it. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
