Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
yes werner, ive noticed all these things before. i dont alwasy post on them, but i have alwasy seen them. i'm an artist, i notice everything! if it stays emtpy for too long, maybe it will catch on fire! isnt that what happeend to the finsihed condos that were there in 80s? they burned right after construction was finished? anyone have any pictures of what they looked like? - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
well, its not going anywhere. thats for sure. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
[AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
To me, the way the courtyards face in on each other is pretty cramped looking. I tend to think that privacy might be an issue at WG. I'd also be apprehensive to move there with kids. It just doesn't look very kid friendly. On the other hand, it's built and I think we are stuck with it. Yuck... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard > wrote: > > > > i never saw so many pure white air vents on the front face of the > building in my life. if they have to be there, thats fine, but why > would you make them white if the building is not. isnt the idea to > have them blend in? if its one, have it white. but when theres > literlay about 300. dont get it. > > === == > > It's good to see you're becoming a bit more observent and critical. > > Notice also - the gas meter walls on Lake Ave, the air conditioner > equipment between the units, the small sidewalks, the utility boxes at > the sidewalk, the repetative style of everything.. > > Why? - Bad design with little attention to human factors and details. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i never saw so many pure white air vents on the front face of the building in my life. if they have to be there, thats fine, but why would you make them white if the building is not. isnt the idea to have them blend in? if its one, have it white. but when theres literlay about 300. dont get it. > = It's good to see you're becoming a bit more observent and critical. Notice also - the gas meter walls on Lake Ave, the air conditioner equipment between the units, the small sidewalks, the utility boxes at the sidewalk, the repetative style of everything.. Why? - Bad design with little attention to human factors and details. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
i never saw so many pure white air vents on the front face of the building in my life. if they have to be there, thats fine, but why would you make them white if the building is not. isnt the idea to have them blend in? if its one, have it white. but when theres literlay about 300. dont get it. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Best case would have been make them taxable at the completion of the > final construction inspections. No best case would have been to make them taxable on a sliding scale as construction progressed and to reflect any abatements. For instance, in NYC, new construction is taxed at the land and 45% (the equaliation rate) of hard or direct construction costs. Then whatever abatements or exemptions are in place are relfected upon completion and stabilization. No matter how you cut it. This City virtually gave away 56 acres along the Atlantic Ocean ALL TO NO EFFECT. We are paying (and will continue to pay) for whatever collusion there was by those who were supposed to be in our camp and if no collusion, then sheer incompetence and inexperience. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > Two huge mistakes made in the "Deal" are that there are no > performance > > deadlines or penalties imposed on the sub=developers and the act that > > taxes do not kick-in untill a CO is issued. > > I think it is when units are SOLD, not CO issued. Which is worse. > Best case would have been make them taxable at the completion of the final construction inspections. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Two huge mistakes made in the "Deal" are that there are no performance > deadlines or penalties imposed on the sub=developers and the act that > taxes do not kick-in untill a CO is issued. I think it is when units are SOLD, not CO issued. Which is worse. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jerseyjohn99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Luckily for > the developers in Asbury, the property tax is abated, so they're not > forced to discount to get a quick sale & can wait out this downturn > until the housing market comes back up again. > > I suppose my Lucent stock will be worth $80 again too someday. >== Two huge mistakes made in the "Deal" are that there are no performance deadlines or penalties imposed on the sub=developers and the act that taxes do not kick-in untill a CO is issued. As you say they can be in a holding pattern indefinately while the City finances go down the tudes. Ouch, that Lucent stock killed me too. Only smart (?) thing I did was buy some when it was under $1. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
the sidewalks on the western side are almost done. all the lights are in, benches, and trees should be coming soon. theres not going to much more "bussy work" left! we will see what happens. it will soon be more obvious that nothing is going on. there wont be any need for workes to be walking around outside, if theres nothing to do. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
jj says it all as usual Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > So I just leave a finance guy who, familiiar with Wesley etc: > - 3/4 of the units are "sold". - (note, not closed) non-refundable deposits > - the units facing the water are sold. > - none of the top units are sold > - co's have been issued. > > when asked about the broken windows...he said someone oin the city was quoted as > saying "there is a big, big problem with gangs.." > > I aksed him where he got the sales numbers from... a city rep. > > I don't doubt units were sold - but that was 2 years ago. see who goes to the closing > table. > > C-8 in the beginning was "almost sold out". > "non-refundable deposit". More like live & learn...they put down $60,000 & agreed to purchase the property for $600,000. The property has obviously dropped in value since the contract was signed. Better to lose $60,000 then be locked into losing $250,000. This is going on across the country with new construction. Luckily for the developers in Asbury, the property tax is abated, so they're not forced to discount to get a quick sale & can wait out this downturn until the housing market comes back up again. I suppose my Lucent stock will be worth $80 again too someday. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> And, I can't see how CO's could have been issued for properties that aren't complete. Agreed, like issuing co's on north beach. like issuing co's on tons or other crappola around town. But, that has gotten much, much better. The better they crack down on code violations, the more tough it is to be a landlord. You might get a few landlords to leave and start to sell - hopefully to resident homeowners vs. investors. I'll stick to my number AP is 73% investor owned. So mls listings in AP around 320.(condos, homes, etc - except new construction). A few n beach flips are listed. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I also think that sold signs were placed in the windows of Wesley Grove about the time of that trolley tour that they hoped to use to promote the property. And, I can't see how CO's could have been issued for properties that aren't complete. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > > - co's have been issued. > > > = = > > Not likely - There is still a lot of construction to be finished and > wouldn't that have been hyped up for PR purposes? > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - co's have been issued. > == Not likely - There is still a lot of construction to be finished and wouldn't that have been hyped up for PR purposes? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think it's kinda suspect that on the Wesley Grove website, the last > time they updated their news section was September 7, 2006. > You would think that if they were going to start have people moving So I just leave a finance guy who, familiiar with Wesley etc: - 3/4 of the units are "sold". - (note, not closed) non-refundable deposits - the units facing the water are sold. - none of the top units are sold - co's have been issued. when asked about the broken windows...he said someone oin the city was quoted as saying "there is a big, big problem with gangs.." I aksed him where he got the sales numbers from... a city rep. I don't doubt units were sold - but that was 2 years ago. see who goes to the closing table. C-8 in the beginning was "almost sold out". Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I think it's kinda suspect that on the Wesley Grove website, the last time they updated their news section was September 7, 2006. You would think that if they were going to start have people moving in, they'd make an announcement about it... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > > > It's been more than 2 weeks since I made that phone call. > > > > So you owe me a couple beers. > > The Brick is fine. today is fine. > > > > ZERO taxes. Why finish them when u can't sell them. Told you this > ages ago. It's going to > > wind up being a big ugly investor owned complex. > > > Kushner was in this in the beginning. But even if you count after > CAFRA, we're talking 2004? It takes real talent to have started that > far back and have missed this (past) market. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > It's been more than 2 weeks since I made that phone call. > > So you owe me a couple beers. > The Brick is fine. today is fine. > > ZERO taxes. Why finish them when u can't sell them. Told you this ages ago. It's going to > wind up being a big ugly investor owned complex. Kushner was in this in the beginning. But even if you count after CAFRA, we're talking 2004? It takes real talent to have started that far back and have missed this (past) market. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's been more than 2 weeks since I made that phone call. > As far as I can see, work has all but stopped at the site. > There is no way that anything there is ready to be occupied. > Here's my prediction...work stopped because the housing market is terrible, so they are just > going to leave things sitting there until things get better. > Meanwhile, the site deteriorates. There's already broken windows. > My BSometer tells me that something shady is going on. > I didn't post it but the other day in one of the NYC real estate rags (NY Real Estate Weekly) there was a bs pr about the opening of Wesley Grove project for Spring 2007. It also said something about moving the sales office. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's been more than 2 weeks since I made that phone call. So you owe me a couple beers. The Brick is fine. today is fine. ZERO taxes. Why finish them when u can't sell them. Told you this ages ago. It's going to wind up being a big ugly investor owned complex. Told you, wesley grove has taken over as C-8. Long live the Ghost of Tillie and Porn Stars. Everyone is taking one giant step back. Why don't you call the mayor of montclair who was touted as having the forsight to buy one. Ask him what his new move in date is. I just left the home depot. They will be more then happy to deliver sheetrock to the site. That is, if the electric plumbing and insulaton is in and inspected. How many 400+ units have been sold at "The Blu" or units rented at The Steinbach one big ouch is my guess. To the Esperanza we go. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
