[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Interesting that environmentalists (natural) are hailed as the good >guys,... Who says? ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I call this BEACH ACCESS and under CAFRA and the right for the > public's enjoyment (public enjoyment) which I would define as the > masses, a right to view, for free, nature. Another element in the public's rights is to have the heritage and cultural aspects of their community respected and preserved for future generations. The natural environment is easy to identify ie. the ocean etc. The built environment is not always so obvious as it is in Asbury Park. The Con.Hall, Boardwalk, Casino, BCHotel, open view corridors, wide avenues, Palace, parks, etc are all just as important to preserve. Unfortunately the current direction of redevelopment, with its massive residential zoning is in direct conflict with the goals of preserving the City's heritage and cultural assets. Interesting that environmentalists (natural) are hailed as the good guys, yet preservationists (built environment) are maligned as the enemy. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
then buy in long branch for "from the 700's" or in belmar ofr 2.5. Or jsut realize then, that some people are trying to: 1. See something get done, for once in the past 35 years. 2. See that something gets done, that is somewhat, somewhat pleasing to the eye, without making it feel like we're on 5th Ave in NYC or for that matter, in Miami Beach, where for the most part, you have no clue there is a beach there unless you pay 1 million for a view. I call this BEACH ACCESS and under CAFRA and the right for the public's enjoyment (public enjoyment) which I would define as the masses, a right to view, for free, nature. Yes, I also beleive in FREE, protected beaches. Problem is, no (most) town provides enough parking for the their assets. Most by choice. All the beaches should be state parks. YOu want an Ofront condo, then stand in line and move next to the sewer plant or wait for metro homes. Best of luck. Remember, buy low, sell high. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
Sure Werner, I'll try to answer the questions one at a time: >Do you like Asbury Park? An objective observer would have to say I do. Take a look at the facts. All my family history is here. I am a third generation AP'er. My paternal grandfather built the Son's of Italy on Asbury Avenue. My maternal grandfather was a Deputy Chief of the Fire Department. I went to the schools here, was married here, etc. I still spend more time here than anywhere else. I collect the City's memorabilia. I moved my office here and took a marked hit in profits (I knew that would happen) because many clients were initially afraid to come here, but I wanted to assist the Downtown. My business pays rent here and I create jobs here. I'm currently under contract to buy property here. I was a founding member of the Merchants Guild, and have done all their legal work pro bono for 3 years now. I volunteer my time free to the UEZ board. I volunteer my time free to the Parade Committee. I give money to every civic group that asks (believe me they ask constantly). I've supported our Police Department so much that the head of the Union for the State of New Jersey made me an honorary lifetime member of Asbury's local. I give historical speeches with a slide show to civic groups about AP, and instead of taking a stipend (which they offer), I ask the group instead to meet me at my office on a Friday afternoon, so I can give them a free tour of the Downtown stores (I have to close my office to do that). I take the AP Press to task for being unfair to AP as often and as hard as I can. Try asking them to do a story about my free Downtown tours which is great for our stores. They won't. They had no problem printing the story about my office being burglarized though. See, it's only bad news about AP that's worth printing for them. That's why I prefer the Coaster. I vigorously defend this City against people who say such things as our residents "can't make an intelligent, informed decision" or that we are basically a "racist community." I would like to see the gentleman who originally asked me this question to list what he does for AP, other than complain about it. The answer Werner is yes, I like, even love AP. Let me note this: Taking all of the above together gives me no more or less right to speak about AP or to be taken at my word on issues about AP. I have no entitlement to be right (or wrong) on an issue based upon who I am, what I've done or what I've studied. I'm either right or I'm wrong because I am correct or not about what I say, not because of who I am. > Why don't you like historic buildings? I do. I just don't see many here in AP. > Why don't you like views of the Ocean? I love views of the Ocean. That's why I want to have one for myself, preferably a condo on top of a boardwalk pavilion. What is that old saying? "A developer is someone who wants to build a house in the woods. An environmentalist is someone who already owns a house in the woods." Sorry if progress takes away some existing ocean views, but really Werner, if the guy who has a house just west of yours complained that your home destroys his Ocean view there on 5th Avenue, I doubt you would tear your house down for him. The gentleman who originally built your house didn't buy the argument either. Now that you live there, I'll bet you are glad he didn't care about his westerly neighbors complaining about loosing their Ocean views. >Why shouldn't the taxpayers be fairly treated? What post did I make saying otherwise? I'm sure you don't read my column, but if you read my piece on the Kelo decision you certainly wouldn't be asking me this question! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
"Â…traderdube got it right the other day. Skip is always on the attack." Please! No one is always on the attack; however, when one is a silly ass they may come under attack more often than those not so silly. Tommy's rules of message board etiquette: "Not OK to say: You are wrong because you don't know anything. You are wrong because you are stupid. You are wrong because you have not studied as much as me. You don't care. You are a racist. You're biased. You're on the take. You you you you you." Note I've never said Tom doesn't know anything, wrong because he is stupid (though that may be true), that he doesn't care, is racist, biased or on the take (all of which may also be true but I would need more information to make such a judgment). Finally, on this topic, I've never said or written "You you you you you." "Look at Skip's last post. All I said was I would like to see buildings where the open space on the boardwalk is. He never engaged the subject. Just called me personally a bunch of bad things." And what did big, bad, mean and nasty Skip write that was so injurious to our gentle flower of a lawyer? You really don't like Asbury do you Tommy? You don't like historic buildings, you don't like a view of the ocean and you don't like residents of the city getting fair compensation for the sale of their assets. You are not merely a silly ass but a very strange bird. At this point some useful definitions: silly ass: silly: ridiculous; ass: A pompous fool; fool: A person who lacks good judgment "Surely you see the difference." I for one do see the difference; you make a mountain out of a molehill and then cry foul when someone calls you on it. You are a silly ass, or if the language offends you why not try `a ridiculous and pompous fool'? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think traderdube got it right the other day. Skip is always on the > attack. Periodically I throw up a defense,(because I'm only human) but > the score is hardly even. > > Go ahead and review my posts with everyone else. I follow one rule: > I don't make "a conclusion about the person." That's the secret to > being polite on a board like this. > > Some examples: > > OK to say: I disagree with you. You are wrong about that. Your > opinion is not supported by the facts, so you are wrong about that. > Here is why my conclusion is better than yours, etc. > > Not OK to say: You are wrong because you don't know anything. You > are wrong because you are stupid. You are wrong because you have not > studied as much as me. You don't care. You are a racist. You're > biased. You're on the take. You you you you you. > > It simply never moves a discussion forward to concentrate on the > person. Concentrate on the other person's analysis, conclusion, etc., > that's fine. > > Look at Skip's last post. All I said was I would like to see > buildings where the open space on the boardwalk is. He never engaged > the subject. Just called me personally a bunch of bad things. > > Surely you see the difference. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Dear everyone: If you don't want people getting nasty in these > > > posts, then please let Skip know how you feel about his post > below. > > > > > > Now, now, girls. When I step in as the ref things are really bad. > While > > unproductive, what is good for the goose should be good for the > gander. > > It was only a day or two ago you told Skip to get a job and that > > Fishman fired him. It may have been in retalitation for something he > > said, but I am losing count. Let's all play nice now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear everyone: If you don't want people getting nasty in these > posts, then please let Skip know how you feel about his post below. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > "Those "green spaces" between the pavillions ought to have more > > pavillions built on them." > > > > You really don't like Asbury do you Tommy? You don't like > > historic buildings, you don't like a view of the ocean and > > you don't like residents of the city getting fair compensation > > for the sale of their assets. > > > > You are not merely a silly ass but a very strange bird. ass - NOUN: One deficient in judgment and good sense: Just answer the issues. Do you like Asbury Park?, Why don't you like historic buildings?, Why don't you like views of the Ocean? and Why shouldn't the taxpayers be fairly treated? Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Go ahead and review my posts with everyone else. ... > Some examples: > > OK to say: I disagree with you. You are wrong about that. Your > opinion is not supported by the facts, so you are wrong about that. > Here is why my conclusion is better than yours, etc. > Tom, WADR, this is exactly what you don't do. Is this wishful thinking? More often than not you take others comments out of context, twist them around and feed them back with your own spin about what the meaning was. You rarely if ever back up your opinions with hard data and then come back with 'it doesn't matter what I've studied, I'm just right' when challanged. OH, Now I get it - "Justified Right" :-) Werner PS - why not just get past Skip's style and address the issues he raises? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
I think traderdube got it right the other day. Skip is always on the attack. Periodically I throw up a defense,(because I'm only human) but the score is hardly even. Go ahead and review my posts with everyone else. I follow one rule: I don't make "a conclusion about the person." That's the secret to being polite on a board like this. Some examples: OK to say: I disagree with you. You are wrong about that. Your opinion is not supported by the facts, so you are wrong about that. Here is why my conclusion is better than yours, etc. Not OK to say: You are wrong because you don't know anything. You are wrong because you are stupid. You are wrong because you have not studied as much as me. You don't care. You are a racist. You're biased. You're on the take. You you you you you. It simply never moves a discussion forward to concentrate on the person. Concentrate on the other person's analysis, conclusion, etc., that's fine. Look at Skip's last post. All I said was I would like to see buildings where the open space on the boardwalk is. He never engaged the subject. Just called me personally a bunch of bad things. Surely you see the difference. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Dear everyone: If you don't want people getting nasty in these > > posts, then please let Skip know how you feel about his post below. > > > Now, now, girls. When I step in as the ref things are really bad. While > unproductive, what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. > It was only a day or two ago you told Skip to get a job and that > Fishman fired him. It may have been in retalitation for something he > said, but I am losing count. Let's all play nice now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear everyone: If you don't want people getting nasty in these > posts, then please let Skip know how you feel about his post below. Now, now, girls. When I step in as the ref things are really bad. While unproductive, what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. It was only a day or two ago you told Skip to get a job and that Fishman fired him. It may have been in retalitation for something he said, but I am losing count. Let's all play nice now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
Dear everyone: If you don't want people getting nasty in these posts, then please let Skip know how you feel about his post below. It isn't fair to ask me not to do it, but say nothing to Skip and let me take it on the chin like this when he does it. Please let him know how you feel about such personal attacks so I don't have to get into it with him, and you won't have to have your board cluttered by it. Thanks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Those "green spaces" between the pavillions ought to have more > pavillions built on them." > > You really don't like Asbury do you Tommy? You don't like historic > buildings, you don't like a view of the ocean and you don't like > residents of the city getting fair compensation for the sale of their > assets. > > You are not merely a silly ass but a very strange bird. > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > That's "ought" to have more pavillions built on them. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Those "green spaces" between the pavillions out to have more > > > pavillions built on them. > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mognj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The green acres land between pavilions looks awful.not > > kept up > > > > > this > > > > > year at all.we are slowly drifting backwards! THESE FAST > > TRACK > > > > > PROJECTS NEED TO BE FAST TRACKED...NOW! WE ARE DYING! > > > > > > > > Not only don't the "Green Spaces" between the pavilions look > > green, > > > the > > > > pavilions look like crumbling kindergarten projects, the Casino > > is > > > > imploding on itself and the Con. Hall is deteriorating. > > > > > > > > I think the folks that are raving about the 'new and improved' > > > > beachfront have been in the sun too long; had too many > > margaritas at > > > > the Tiki bar; or a combination of both. > > > > > > > > Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things -- a very strange bird
"Those "green spaces" between the pavillions ought to have more pavillions built on them." You really don't like Asbury do you Tommy? You don't like historic buildings, you don't like a view of the ocean and you don't like residents of the city getting fair compensation for the sale of their assets. You are not merely a silly ass but a very strange bird. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's "ought" to have more pavillions built on them. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Those "green spaces" between the pavillions out to have more > > pavillions built on them. > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "mognj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The green acres land between pavilions looks awful.not > kept up > > > > this > > > > year at all.we are slowly drifting backwards! THESE FAST > TRACK > > > > PROJECTS NEED TO BE FAST TRACKED...NOW! WE ARE DYING! > > > > > > Not only don't the "Green Spaces" between the pavilions look > green, > > the > > > pavilions look like crumbling kindergarten projects, the Casino > is > > > imploding on itself and the Con. Hall is deteriorating. > > > > > > I think the folks that are raving about the 'new and improved' > > > beachfront have been in the sun too long; had too many > margaritas at > > > the Tiki bar; or a combination of both. > > > > > > Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
