[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
> > Authenticity is the issue. A copy, interpretation, or facsimily would > be worth less then the original. Yes Save the Wonder Bar, change the > redevelopment plan, exclude it from condemnation. > > Werner They did a great job of bringing the wb back to life. It's not the orignial, but a facsimly. Could it be recreated in name - in the type of music and management? Jsut got back from Miami. Again, more photos of some great old buildings that were saved in one fashion or another. Maybe not a cadillac/fleetwood showroom - but rather serving great food. New disasters being built, some very good new architecture with the look and feel of yesterday - or is it today? Was I having a drink at the same bar my mother was at for honeymoon some 50 plus years ago? For many, mnay years, the WB was gone and not a peep. One big gray box. Give to those D&L for getting it going. But unless you own the building\, you are at the mercy of the landlord, developers and politics. Might be time to try to capitalize on the name and creativity that went with it. Heck, I still drive by the saint and think its the clover club and doing kamikazies when we were 17 and grils from bayonne. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
That would not only be worthy, but a noble cause. I say, let's do both! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm reading, with interest and sadness, the mission being put forth > to "Save the Wonder Bar". Again, the point is missed, as it was > during Save Tillie, Save The Pony, Save The Palace, Save The > BaronetSave ... > > The only thing that will save a property in the WRA is to rezone the > site via an amendment to the plan. The only thing short of a > declaration of "Local Landmark" by the governing body that matters is > the land use and zoning plan of WRA documents. > > What a sad state of affairs that the cultural legacy and economic > tools of Asbury Park are only afforded cursory requests to "Save" > them. They are only in need of saving by virtue of a bad plan that > ignores their econimic potential to contribute to a future Asbury > Park. > > They need saving because there was no planning to make them part of > the future. Isn't the Wonder Bar part of the heritage and cultural > fabric of Asbury Park? A cultural and entertainment asset that > deserves the new lease on life it has been given? > > The petition should be to amend the redevelopment plan to exclude the > Wonder Bar from condemnation. Oh, but some would say it can be > relocated. Would it still be the Wonder Bar? Could you sit in the > shadow of a National Historic site, Convention Hall? Could you look > out over green parkland? > > Authenticity is the issue. A copy, interpretation, or facsimily would > be worth less then the original. Yes Save the Wonder Bar, change the > redevelopment plan, exclude it from condemnation. > > Werner > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote:
> > >
> > > --
> SHUT UP FLAGBOY
>
>~DID YOU ASK YOUR MAMA TO RIGHT THAT DOGMAN?~
>
>
>
> - In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Werner,
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury
> residends {DOGMAN What ever that stupid name is who are the ~#1~
> SCUMBAG IN ASBURY PARK YOUR WRITING PROVES SHUT YOUR MOUTH GARY DONE
> MORE FOR ASBURY PARK THEY YOU WILL EVER DO SO PROVE YOURSELF OR WE
> CAN DO WAT YOU WHAT DO AWHILE BACK WITH ME ANY TIME ANY PLACE I AM
> READY!!How do we know you are a resident because you say so make sure
> you pick after that dog of yours.You had a screw up up Bringing hows
> that A/Hole MUST BEEN YOUR PARENTS I am ready!
> > > and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd
> the
> > > plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and
> other
> > > people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or
> just
> > > shut up.
> >
>
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[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't spend a day on council if I had to deal with phony people like you. It's a shame that people like you are on the Council. > > You've got a great way of proving your argument. Really classy. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
It's a shame that people like you are on the Council. You've got a great way of proving your argument. Really classy. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" wrote:
> >
> > --
SHUT UP FLAGBOY
- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote:
> > >
> > > Werner,
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury
residends {DOGMAN What ever that stupid name is who are the ~#1~
SCUMBAG IN ASBURY PARK YOUR WRITING PROVES SHUT YOUR MOUTH GARY DONE
MORE FOR ASBURY PARK THEY YOU WILL EVER DO SO PROVE YOURSELF OR WE
CAN DO WAT YOU WHAT DO AWHILE BACK WITH ME ANY TIME ANY PLACE I AM
READY!!How do we know you are a resident because you say so make sure
you pick after that dog of yours.You had a screw up up Bringing hows
that A/Hole MUST BEEN YOUR PARENTS I am ready!
> > and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd
the
> > plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and
other
> > people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or
just
> > shut up.
>
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[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote:
> >
> > Werner,
> >
> >
>
> Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury residends
> {DOGMAN What ever that stupid name is who are the ~#1~ SCUMBAG IN ASBURY PARK
> YOUR WRITING PROVES SHUT YOUR MOUTH GARY DONE MORE FOR ASBURY PARK THEY YOU
> WILL EVER DO SO PROVE YOURSELF OR WE CAN DO WAT YOU WHAT DO AWHILE BACK WITH
> ME ANY TIME ANY PLACE I AM READY!!How do we know you are a resident because
> you say so make sure you pick after that dog of yours.You had a screw up up
> Bringing hows that A/Hole MUST BEEN YOUR PARENTS I am ready!
> and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd the
> plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and other
> people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or just
> shut up.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
Wow, great example of a poorly written, mean spirited and probably drunk post. Why? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien wrote: > > > > Werner, > > > > > > Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury residends > and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd the > plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and other > people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or just > shut up. I will say this the future of this city isn't the > waterfront The futrte is the overall stabillity of this city. If > certain people get what they want and divide this city you will see a > major reduction in redevelopement and watching whoerver invested > moving on. Then the city gets stuck with real smumbags and the small > invester will be left holding the empty bag. That's OK you will > always have a soup kitcken or homeless shelter to keep you going or > get a nice tax break. > > > > > > I agree with you that the ideal thing would be to have the > > redevelopment plan amended to make sure there are entertainment > > districts in locations like where the Wonder Bar is located. The > > main idea behind the petition is simply to show Asbury Partners > that > > the Wonder Bar is in a location BEST SUITED for entertainment and > > dining rather than additional housing. I believe that additional > > housing in that area would be detrimental to any further usage of > > Convention Hall and the Paramount Theatre while keeping the Wonder > > Bar and adding an additional restaurant next door would ENHANCE > > Convention Hall and the Paramount. > > > > I guess it all comes down to whether or not they wish to attract > > people to the town. We have all seen how few events have been > staged > > within Convention Hall and the Paramount. It's an amount that has > > got to be the lowest of its kind in New Jersey. Virtually every > > county has several arts centers such as the Count Basie Theatre in > > Red Bank and all of them are filled with events. If that area not > > only keeps the Wonder Bar but goes further in that direction, it > > would make it far more enticing for people to come see shows > there. > > Imagine being able to have a nice dinner at either the Wonder Bar, > > HoJos, or a new restaurant right next door to the Wonder Bar and > then > > just walking across the street to the venue? That would be a > great > > combination. > > > > So, the idea behind the petition is to keep Asbury Partners > focused > > on the importance of maintaining the Wonder Bar - for its > historical > > nature, community-mindedness, and location within the event center > > areas as well as make sure they realize that some things are worth > > saving. The Wonder Bar is such a thing in my opinion because it > not > > only is currently doing good business in town (a proven winner) > and > > has benefited the town in many ways but it clearly benefits their > > interest in the Paramount Theatre and Convention Hall. > > > > I think this is very different from the Save Tillie idea because > of > > one MAIN reason - the fact that the Wonder Bar is currently doing > > business while the Palace had been closed for years. I could see > why > > this might remind you of the Save the Pony idea, but this petition > is > > to keep the Wonder Bar in its current location not just to keep > the > > club alive. Since I have very little faith that Asbury Partners > has > > any idea how to run entertainment in the town (just look at how > many > > people have been hired through the years to run that department > for > > them) I think they need to be reminded that Convention Hall and > the > > Paramount need to have a mini entertainment district around > them. > > Without such a district, the venues will have even less importance > > than they do now. I really doubt that the people moving into the > > condos will sell out those venues. That kind of ticket sales > > requires attracting people from outside the area. A mini > > entertainment district will attract the people far more than > > additional housing. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Werner, > > Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury residends and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd the plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and other people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or just shut up. I will say this the future of this city isn't the waterfront The futrte is the overall stabillity of this city. If certain people get what they want and divide this city you will see a major reduction in redevelopement and watching whoerver invested moving on. Then the city gets stuck with real smumbags and the small invester will be left holding the empty bag. That's OK you will always have a soup kitcken or homeless shelter to keep you going or get a nice tax break. I agree with you that the ideal thing would be to have the > redevelopment plan amended to make sure there are entertainment > districts in locations like where the Wonder Bar is located. The > main idea behind the petition is simply to show Asbury Partners that > the Wonder Bar is in a location BEST SUITED for entertainment and > dining rather than additional housing. I believe that additional > housing in that area would be detrimental to any further usage of > Convention Hall and the Paramount Theatre while keeping the Wonder > Bar and adding an additional restaurant next door would ENHANCE > Convention Hall and the Paramount. > > I guess it all comes down to whether or not they wish to attract > people to the town. We have all seen how few events have been staged > within Convention Hall and the Paramount. It's an amount that has > got to be the lowest of its kind in New Jersey. Virtually every > county has several arts centers such as the Count Basie Theatre in > Red Bank and all of them are filled with events. If that area not > only keeps the Wonder Bar but goes further in that direction, it > would make it far more enticing for people to come see shows there. > Imagine being able to have a nice dinner at either the Wonder Bar, > HoJos, or a new restaurant right next door to the Wonder Bar and then > just walking across the street to the venue? That would be a great > combination. > > So, the idea behind the petition is to keep Asbury Partners focused > on the importance of maintaining the Wonder Bar - for its historical > nature, community-mindedness, and location within the event center > areas as well as make sure they realize that some things are worth > saving. The Wonder Bar is such a thing in my opinion because it not > only is currently doing good business in town (a proven winner) and > has benefited the town in many ways but it clearly benefits their > interest in the Paramount Theatre and Convention Hall. > > I think this is very different from the Save Tillie idea because of > one MAIN reason - the fact that the Wonder Bar is currently doing > business while the Palace had been closed for years. I could see why > this might remind you of the Save the Pony idea, but this petition is > to keep the Wonder Bar in its current location not just to keep the > club alive. Since I have very little faith that Asbury Partners has > any idea how to run entertainment in the town (just look at how many > people have been hired through the years to run that department for > them) I think they need to be reminded that Convention Hall and the > Paramount need to have a mini entertainment district around them. > Without such a district, the venues will have even less importance > than they do now. I really doubt that the people moving into the > condos will sell out those venues. That kind of ticket sales > requires attracting people from outside the area. A mini > entertainment district will attract the people far more than > additional housing. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
