Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN Coverage "Like the Dew"
"The Internet has surpassed newspapers as the main source for national and international news for Americans, according to a new survey. http://tinyurl.com/89b3yw Television, however, remains the preferred medium for Americans, according to the survey by the Washington-based Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. Seventy percent of the 1,489 people surveyed by Pew said television is their primary source for national and international news. Forty percent said they get most of their news from the Internet, up from 24 percent in September 2007, and more than the 35 percent who cited newspapers as their main news source." Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN - "All Paper, No News"
http://tinyurl.com/7uc4wb On Dec 23, 2008, at 3:47 PM, dfsavgny wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > > As I said, the Pennysaver. Is that just a NY term? > > > > I'll answer my own question. It is not a NJ thing. There appears to be > no NJ Pennysaver. Pennysavers are coupon periodicals (not newspapers) > for specific communities. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN - "All Paper, No News"
In a message dated 12/23/2008 3:40:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dfsav...@yahoo.com writes: As I said, the Pennysaver. Is that just a NY term? == Nope: Excerpt: Making a profitable penny saver is a lot easier than making a real, profitable news operation that serves its community. It sounds like the triCityNews exists to be a pleasant place for local advertisers. It has lots of ad space that is surrounded by soft, friendly content. Even Carr admits that the triCityNews is ”boosterish.” Maybe it even has some friendly content thrown in about frequent advertisers. Good for the triCityNews for serving the advertisers of Ashbury Park. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just business. But shame on Carr for not proving that the triCityNews serves its community well _» Does triCityNews produce news, or just ad space? | The Journalism Iconoclast_ (http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2008/12/23/does-tricitynews-produce-news-or-just-ad-space/) _http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2008/12/23/does-tricitynews-produce-news-or- just-ad-space/_ (http://patthorntonfiles.com/blog/2008/12/23/does-tricitynews-produce-news-or-just-ad-space/) **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN Coverage "Like the Dew"
We eschew the Web. A lack of links keeps our operating costs to a minimum and our Christmas party had only one attendee! Hysterical! Ahem! On Dec 23, 2008, at 8:28 AM, justifiedright wrote: > Where's the link to the data that other small papers are doing fine? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN - "All Paper, No News"
In a message dated 12/23/2008 8:05:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes: Thanks for the heads-up on the trademark application for the word "Plog." I invented it and printed it years ago and have been using it ever since. I'm going to intervene in the application. == That could be fun to watch: Tommy v. Amazon -- like David v. Goliath. ;-) BTW: Is that invention like the claim where you begin an article with a quote, accusing a Coaster columnist of stealing the device? ;-) **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN Coverage "Like the Dew"
In a message dated 12/23/2008 8:28:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedri...@yahoo.com writes: Where's the link to the data that other small papers are doing fine? = I dunno. Ask the recovering journalist at his site, comment or email recoveringjournal...@cox.net Anyone know how the Coaster is doing? I like to promote Coaster subscriptions to out-of-town AP lovers, pointing out that, though it does have a web site, it's difficult to navigate and doesn't contain every article in its print version. A bargain because it's delivered on day of publication and you get a $25 gift certificate to a local restaurant. 2 River Times tries to preserve its print status by offering limited web content only after 4 days on newsstands (or immediately to print subscribers). Happy Holidays **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Shameless plug...
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: another shooting in ap
She called me around 10:40 to say she just heard gunshots someone screaming and then the sirens. Another friend confirmed it this morning. It's getting really ridiculous something truly has to be done. The other problem is that it's not just happening in AP. Gang violence is happening all over. We the older generation are afraid to stand up to it. We will make our comment to others and via emails but no one is willing to stand up and fight as it may put themselves or their families in harms way (for which I can't blame anyone for not doing) but we will soon have to stand up to these idiots who have no value for life or else we will have to go into hiding until our knight in shining armor rescues us. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:46:56 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: another shooting in ap Yikes. Sorry to hear that. I'm surprised this hasn't made it onto the APP website. It makes me wonder about how many other crimes that we aren't hearing about. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, denise wrote: > > It was right behind my girlfriend's house she heard the shots/screaming and > then police sirens. She lives on Springwood > > > - Original Message > From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:21:24 AM > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: another shooting in ap > > I was wondering what all the sirens were for. > I wonder why this hasn't made it to any of the news outlets yet. > How do you know there was another shooting? > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, denise wrote: > > > > There was another shooting in AP last night around 10:00 pm in the Ap > > villages > > > > _ _ _ _ __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail. yahoo.com > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail. yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: another shooting in ap
It was right behind my girlfriend's house she heard the shots/screaming and then police sirens. She lives on Springwood - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:21:24 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: another shooting in ap I was wondering what all the sirens were for. I wonder why this hasn't made it to any of the news outlets yet. How do you know there was another shooting? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, denise wrote: > > There was another shooting in AP last night around 10:00 pm in the Ap villages > > _ _ _ _ __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail. yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Point of View, Mario
You also tend to come to the highly mistaken conclusion that people are "proving your point" when they, in fact, are DISproving your point. Must be nice in your lavender colored world. On Sep 18, 2007, at 10:45 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By the way: just "doing your own analysis" isn't necessarily > 'science'. The guys at Enron were "doing their own analysis". It > didn't make it accounting. The Bush WMD guys were doing their own > analysis. It didn't make it intelligence. The organizations who were > selling sub-prime mortgages were "doing their own analysis". Larry > Craig was "doing his own analysis". All excellent reasons why you should not rely upon the analysis of others and do your own. Thank you for hightlighting my point even better than I could.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Point of View, Mario
But only if you know what you're talking about. On Sep 18, 2007, at 10:45 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By the way: just "doing your own analysis" isn't necessarily > 'science'. The guys at Enron were "doing their own analysis". It > didn't make it accounting. The Bush WMD guys were doing their own > analysis. It didn't make it intelligence. The organizations who were > selling sub-prime mortgages were "doing their own analysis". Larry > Craig was "doing his own analysis". All excellent reasons why you should not rely upon the analysis of others and do your own. Thank you for hightlighting my point even better than I could.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Point of View, Mario
"pro-science"? as opposed to...? "dark ages superstition adherent"? "fairy tale follower"? By the way: just "doing your own analysis" isn't necessarily 'science'. The guys at Enron were "doing their own analysis". It didn't make it accounting. The Bush WMD guys were doing their own analysis. It didn't make it intelligence. The organizations who were selling sub-prime mortgages were "doing their own analysis". Larry Craig was "doing his own analysis". On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:18 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Conversely, the pseudo-science of intelligent design is accepted >as fact despite > lacking anything resembling real scientific support." Irreducable Complexity. It's a science thing. Wonder if the pro- science poster who wrote the above has studied enough science to even have heard of it. I guess this is the part where you start posting a bunch of links about it. Don't bother. I prefer to draw my conclusion from the original work and doing my own analysis. That too is a science think.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting
Just saying that it is nice to see this happening - Original Message From: dfsavgny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:05:50 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson wrote: > > Here we go again... .. > > Saw in the Coaster that new police officers were brought on and going into training. I believe they said 9. Hope this will help. When we had and earlier shooting or murder, Bruno said he was going to add police. Again nice to see this happening. Unless they are being brought on because additional help would be needed if the homeless shelter opens full time. > > What's your point? As anyone said at any time that extra police were not needed? Where you headin? Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Done Deal
so with the hotel now sold, what happens with the closed street just north of it? you said the hotel wants to buy additional property for the hotel. did they mention where? im guessing a parking garage of some sort? charlie - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Done Deal
The Berkeley's value is today. The deal has been just finalized. You are comparing that to Convention Hall. The 3.5 million is from when? - Original Message From: wernerapnj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:32:46 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Done Deal --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Fred" wrote: > > Asbury hotel bought for $16M > > Berkeley-Carteret to reopen shortly > Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/28/07 > BY NANCY SHIELDS > COASTAL MONMOUTH > BUREAU = = = = = BC-Hotel, built 1925, Private Property = $16M Convention Hall, built 1929, Public Property = $3.5M Is something wrong with this picture? Werner TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"What' in a name? The Emporia downtown is a mall. Isn'r it? That's cool" how is the emporia a mall? the antique place? i think you mean "the shops at cookman"? - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"It's hard for me to see pure retail there or on the boardwalk. Boardwalks have traditionally had games, food, and t-shirt/souvenir shops. If they built the mall in the casino it might attract people but we have so many malls in the area anyway that I don't know if it would be a great placement for it" i think you hear the term "mall" and think the worst. or maybe, not picturing the same idea of a mall as im thinking. whatever types of business you have on the boardwalk, picture wrapped around the inside of the casino. it could make for an interesting place. picture the wooden boardwalk being inside the casino as a floor too. as if the boardwalk kept going, spun around, and upwards in a sprial forming the indoor mall. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"This is just a question. What retail do you all think would be benefical to Ocean and Kingsley? " thats a pretty good qeustion. when you hear people say "retail", what are they talking about? what kind of stuff? im sure everyone on this list along has a different image in their head. im pretty sure no ones thinking the same either. but in the end, i dont think its up to the general public on what goes. its up to the group thats in charge of it. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"This is just a question. What retail do you all think would be benefical to Ocean and Kingsley? " I could see Kingsley being a nice restaurant row. In fact, with the combination of Cookman Ave, Asbury Park could be a great place to go out for dinner. Just look at Bradley Beach. Restaurants are a good way to use one of Asbury's current strengths of entertainment at night. It's hard for me to see pure retail there or on the boardwalk. Boardwalks have traditionally had games, food, and t-shirt/souvenir shops. If they built the mall in the casino it might attract people but we have so many malls in the area anyway that I don't know if it would be a great placement for it.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"I'm not sure why you wouldn't want at least a portion of the retail and entertainment in place early on to attract the interest of people to the condos. Why wait until the end?" i was just quoting what was said, and estimating a time frame of when this so called "retail" would be started in my mind. i understand why they, or maybe a few other "developers" would wnat to have condos in place before they touch any form of retail. it makes sence. you want the bl0cks, or at least a few looking lived in, and complete. you dont want people driving through bare empty lots to get to a thriving boardwalk. however, i think as of now, once nort beach, wesly grove and the c8 lot are completed, some form of perminate retail should begin. i wouldnt want for more condos to be built, thats rediculous in my mind. the three residentail properties are enough in my mind to show "life". and now that all the roadwalk, sidewalks, new lights are in place, soon through out the entire waterfront distrcit. i think the whole area looks good, even with teh empty lots. - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"Ass backwards in other words? Ha ha. Know what the current realization is (glad they woke up)? That there is not enough retail on Ocean and none on Kingsley. Remember some of saying canyon of condos? Expect the plan to be reworked to include more retail. At this rate they will never make the 10 years." ive heard about this, but never had real info on it. i havnt been to up to date in recent times. there is real talk about adding morie retail on ocean? and adding on kinglsy street?? wow, thats good if its true. is it being worked on now? or no .. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
I have hear the same complaints from the WTC site. Site has been cleared since 2002 and still no buildings. - Original Message From: Hinge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:58:05 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Another You know what cracks me up about this 8-10 year thing? At the WTC site in NYC, they have a bunch of building slated to be completed in half that time. Same thing for the Coney Island redevelopment. Even the plans for big changes at the Meadowlands were slated to be completed in a fraction of that time. Asbury Park no longer has time on it's side... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie leonard > wrote: > > > >i wouldnt have expected too much retail, or entertainment action > taking place till the very end. year 8-10 at the least. > > > Ass backwards in other words? Ha ha. Know what the current realization > is (glad they woke up)? That there is not enough retail on Ocean and > none on Kingsley. Remember some of saying canyon of condos? Expect the > plan to be reworked to include more retail. > > At this rate they will never make the 10 years. > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"so, going by what was said, having residential come first. i wouldnt have expected too much retail, or entertainment action taking place till the very end. year 8-10 at the least. " I'm not sure why you wouldn't want at least a portion of the retail and entertainment in place early on to attract the interest of people to the condos. Why wait until the end?
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"Sorry Chuck, but I respectfully disagree. I don;t think there is anyone in AP who would suggest that they thought the boardwalk and pavillions would still be in this condition 5 years after the MOU and more than 4 years after the actual deal. The original council members who approved that deal knew they made a mistake on the pavillions and timelines. That is first hand info. I am not whipping anyone for that right now. But you are wrong. I also heard it from first hand that Partners will not put its own money into anything. They are here to flip. That's why it has taken so long and will continue to be postponed until they come up with partners (retail, entertainment, residential) for each component or until the city forces the issue. We've punched their dance card but they simply will not dance." i was just stating some thoughts and ideas. im not wrong, i clearly said i wasnt taking either side. i too thought things would have progressed more in the last 4 or 5 years. but im not sure it was too big of a secret that asbury partners were about "flipping land for re sale". that fact becasme obvious a few years ago. heres another thought though, they said the project is expected to take 10 years? so, going by what was said, having residential come first. i wouldnt have expected too much retail, or entertainment action taking place till the very end. year 8-10 at the least. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
dfsavgny, im not taking either side, i know what from i see. it is a true fact that asbury partners dont live up to time lines and alwasy seem to find a sneaky way of doing things. however, when it comes to the activity on the boardwalk, retail etc, things are moving along just as they said it would. from the very begining, before anything started, didnt they say nothing major would happen unitll the first sets of home owners were moved in? owners of the future (now almost complete) condos. this goes back to when there was the on going debate of board walk first, then condos, verses condos first then boardwalk. it could have worked either way, but i think having the condos first acutally is a better way of doing things. try and build up the citys waterfront, making it occupied, promoting life. verses empty lots, with a vibrant boardwalk. new visitors, some returning after years gone would want to see a good waterfront as a whole. not feeling unsafe, maybe not even safe enough to park their cars to walk to this newly done boardwalk. i think it takes time, but giving the direction of the project from the start, this is expected. (but obviously asbury partners could be doing more with regards to convention hall, and their deadlines that the havnt ment. but this really has nothing to do with the phases and order of the project?) - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"If that is the truth, then this is sad. There are other places in Asbury Park with security Staffs - i.e. more than a bouncer. Hopefully this is a learning experience. This however might have happened anywhere and although tragic and unfortunate should not be a black mark against Asbury Park. It certainly will not curtail my next visit." exactly, it could have happened anywhere. its still sad, and bad, but again, it could have been anywhere. i think the genereal public with any sence of a brain will understand that. but there will alwasy be some, that will have a bad sence in their minds about asbury park becasue of it. - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
dfsvgny- wow, settle down there buddy. i said i thought the bar was owned by seperate people, BUT ASSUMING YOU WERE RIGHT... etc. read right! i also said i know the building is owned by asbury partners. whyd you add that in your statement? to make the list longer? - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"Honestly, how can anybody speculate/comment on this event who wasn't even there? Just relying on things like "I heard that..." and things like that are just a pure waste of time, and all they do is fuel posts theorizing on what really happened.Bottom line, a guy got murdered. Doesn't sound like a run of the millbar fight to me. I've seen quite a few of those in my life, but I've never seen one that resulted in somebody being dead. This first murder of the year is just more bad news for Asbury. " that makes sence. untill the real reasons, or what happened is posted. no one knows. ive heard a few different stories so far, obvioulsy they cant all be true. bar fights always happen, not usally to the point that this one went to, but they do happen. not often, but this appears to be one of those times i guess. i have no idea what happeend, im only going by what ive heard on here and other places online. i didnt even read about it in the paper. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
"Where are these types attracted? Pony and Deep. Who runs them? Partners. You reap what you sow. Typical classy way they do everything. You love them Tom." your kidding right?? first, deep isnt operated by asbury partners. they own the building yes, but its leased out and run seperatly. at least this is how it was when it first opened, im sure things havnt changed though. but assuming what you say was tue, so now both these places are deemed bad becasue they are run by AP? that doesnt make much sence. its the types of music scenes that are attracted to these places. not the place its self. the stone pony has had the same music sene for the last 6 years, since i was in highschool and at least another 10 years before that. the same fights, and what not were around back then too. im not saying anything to side with anyone, but at least get your stories right. stop trying to blur everything together, ending up with "asbur partners did it" that seems to be the skapegoat for a lot of things now. some things that arnt even connected. rediculous. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
Once again Fred posts the details. Nice that we have a place to go to get the news. - Original Message From: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:29:27 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Another --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "2fine4u" wrote: > > He was a Skinhead who was wearing a tee-shirt with a confedeate flag on it words were said then a fight inside that led to a fight outside and he hit his head on the new streetscape. It was a just a matter of time, I never liked walking pass the Deep during the summer when those heavy metal bands played. Heavy metal music, alcohol and ski heads are not a good conbiantion. If this is another issue, why are all deaths, committed in AP, prior > to this one, treated differently? Why are deaths on the West-Side > "ASSUMED", to be gang related, but when it happens on the Beach? Just > responding to the subject, not the poster, so don't jump all over me. > I just see the usual, "double standard"! > > Justified: > I do object to a candidate, running for a state office objectionable, > no matter that he/she would have jurisdiction in AP! My democratic > choice, would be John Loffredo, if he chose to run. I would > volunteer, if asked! > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "asburycouple" > wrote: > > > > Yeah, there were a ton of police down there. > > > > While unfortunate this one really wasn't the kind of issue the prior > > murders were. Seems like an isolated bar room fight that got out of > > hand rather than anything really reflective of Asbury Park, gangs, > > etc... This kind of thing could happen almost anywhere. > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Hinge" wrote: > > > > > > Wow. I was wondering what was going on last night. More bad news > > for us... > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > > > > Man dies following fight in Asbury Park > > > > Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/15/07 > > > > BY NICHOLAS CLUNN > > > > STAFF WRITER > > > > > > > > ASBURY PARK Police this morning were investigating the death of > > an > > > > unidentified man found unconscious by officers late last night, > > Sgt. > > > > Dexter Whitley said. > > > > > > > > The death occurred at Second and Ocean avenues after a fight, he > > said. > > > > > > > > Officers who responded to the scene found the man bloody and > > > > unresponsive, but Whitley would not say whether he died as a > > result > > > > of a homicide. > > > > > > > > The victim was later taken to Jersey Shore University Medical > > Center > > > > in Neptune. > > > > > > > > Whitley would not release the victim's name because his closest > > > > relatives were not yet notified of the death. > > > > > > > > > > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
Sharon, Why is it a big mistake? I agree with you he would make an excellent candidate. Toni
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting
It said in the paper that this was due to an error in the wording. Anyone know infor on this?Lighty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com , Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Did all vote yes or did some vote no. If so can you name> Keady voted no. The Gang of Four (Loffredo, Bruno, Sanders and Johnson) voted yes. Bruno appeared to be on the fence, but was only teasing us. But the other big news was that yet again the Council postpones a vote on something when they see that the public is rallying for a cause. A TON of people came out last night in support of saving the Baronet Theatre, Fastlane and Asbury Lanes. Apparently as word gets around town the Council decides that too many people will be there for them to simply vote away the properties. So they choose to postpone it and hope less people come back next time around.Its wonderful how the Council seems to prefer doing business in the dark. This is why I wish major decisions (such as the land sales) would be done by majority votes rather than the Council. There are many times where it does not appear the Council is representing the wishes of the town. And when they make it look like they dont want the public to see how they work (i.e. Last night) - they are basically admitting such. Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting
surprised at johnsondfsavgny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Allan Peterson ...> wrote:>> Did all vote yes or did some vote no. If so can you name> Keady voted no. The Gang of Four (Loffredo, Bruno, Sanders and Johnson) voted yes. Bruno appeared to be on the fence, but was only teasing us. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com , Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did all vote yes or did some vote no. If so can you name > Keady voted no. The Gang of Four (Loffredo, Bruno, Sanders and Johnson) voted yes. Bruno appeared to be on the fence, but was only teasing us. But the other big news was that yet again the Council postpones a vote on something when they see that the public is rallying for a cause. A TON of people came out last night in support of saving the Baronet Theatre, Fastlane and Asbury Lanes. Apparently as word gets around town the Council decides that too many people will be there for them to simply vote away the properties. So they choose to postpone it and hope less people come back next time around. It’s wonderful how the Council seems to prefer doing business in the dark. This is why I wish major decisions (such as the land sales) would be done by majority votes rather than the Council. There are many times where it does not appear the Council is representing the wishes of the town. And when they make it look like they don’t want the public to see how they work (i.e. Last night) - they are basically admitting such. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting
Did all vote yes or did some vote no. If so can you namedfsavgny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Allan Peterson ...> wrote:>> You are right. Anyone know details? It is one thing if gang or drug dealers are killing eachother. That does not worry me as much since I am neither. If it was a robbery gone bad or people in the wrong place at the wrong time, that would make me uneasyAnd if you were at the council meeting last night and took a break for fresh air (or a smoke) you had a front row seat. Bad news. But there was another murder also just a little after this one. That is when the City agreed to take the pipe on the Triangle and accept $490,000 for the Triangle. We just finished budget issues and expected tax increases. We get less than a half million dollars for beachfront property (including the streets) that can accommodate 90+ condo units and which Partners will resell for millions. The collective taxpayers of AP got murdered again by its governing body. There should be a bigger outcry on the Triangle than the Market Street Mission. Money was just taken out of your pocket and out in Fishman's. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting So gangs and drugs are ok - ok in your new town? As long as they’re taking care of the real bad stuff... Like bikes on the boardwalk Gotta say I found it a little amusing at the pride people had at the Council meeting last night saluting some policemen for stopping people riding bikes on the boardwalk and being out past curfew. Meanwhile, shootings, drugs & prostitution are still very much in play. Priorities... __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another shooting
You are right. Anyone know details? It is one thing if gang or drug dealers are killing eachother. That does not worry me as much since I am neither. If it was a robbery gone bad or people in the wrong place at the wrong time, that would make me uneasyoakdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: you meant "another murder" Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another part of our Heritage destroyed.
and i bet when its done, its going to be even better. arnt there historical buildings, that are made of great bricks, yet are painted? and were always painted? and when they are restored, their painted, to go with their orginal styling? (eventhough they are nice bricks under the paint) How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: another shooting in AP
Resident here for the past 2+ years. It is stories like these that make me sick. I know most are connected to drugs and/or gangs. But one day it may happen to someone who is not. I am gald to see this board is finally talking about this. I believe it to be a bigger problem then the value of property. Again if the crime is out of hand, this city will not go any further. When selling a million dollar condo, do they take a tour of the shooting sites?curtincarolyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As a 24/7 resident of AP for the last 4 yrs I can tell you, without hesitation, that since Jan when Deputy Chief Kinmon and Inspector Van Buren took over the Police Dept I see a constant day to day presence...There are many new systems being implimented and considering generations of corrupt government, poor system management and irresponsible parenting I am seeing swift improvementsIt is truely a shame however, that there are still going to be casualties of what was allowed to go on here for WAY TOO LONG!!..Just what I see from where I sitCarolyn CurtinAsbury Ave--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> keep them in jail longer> > There has to be a stronger police presence - day after day. More buy and bust oeprations. > Cameras on the streets.> > Time to clean sweep, street by street.> > Do what they did elsewhere. Knock'em down and rebuild with less density. Build new > affordable housing. With all those millions poured into the schools.> > Pay each family whose kid is going into highschool $80k (20k x 4) to find them a new school. > you can pay the families rent and education expenses.> New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another AP Icon Demolished - no �adopted� or �Official Plan� plan
PUT MY NAME DOWN TOO!! -al mc daniel --- sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Sign me up for the recall petition! <]:~) > > -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > There certainly is an "adopted plan". The > process was followed > > > (assuming for the moment it was the correct > process) and > resolutiond > > > were passed. > > > > > > The Offical Adopted Plan is the one on file at > the City Clerks > > > Office. > > > > > > The Clerks Office is, by law, the official > keeper of the City > > Record. > > > One should (assuming the Clerks Office is > functioning properly) > get > > a > > > copy of the Adopted Plan which was offically > logged and filed. > > > > > > Lets see where this goes. > > > > Werner, remember, this is Asbury Park. I would not > count on it. > Sorry > > you missed the council meeting tonight. They TRIED > to defuse the > > situation by repeating the lame stories. Aaron > actually tried to > make > > people believe that Asbury Partners did the > unofficial official > plan > > (June 2002) and tried to make that the plan. Keady > saw through > this in > > that there was no incentive for Asbury Partners > trying to add > language > > that was more adverse to them with regard to C-8. > I beleive they > are > > stupid, but not that stupid. Keady was blown off > by the cast of > usual > > suspects. However, I was especially dismayed by Ed > Johnson > reaction > > who took Keady to task and told him to move on. Ed > said the June > 2002 > > plan was just a mistake. A bigger mistake is him > being a > > councilmember. I guess he took DJ's article in TCN > to heart and is > now > > going to play ball with his team cohorts. > > > > Back to the city clerk. As I said earlier, Kay > told me that the > plan > > he considered the official adopted plan was the > June 2002 version > at > > issue. That is he said, until Don Sammet told him > it wasn't. He > called > > me later in the day to say he had a copy of the > ordinance (2607) > that > > adopted the plan attached to the March 15, 2002 > plan. Don Sammet > told > > him was the one adopted. That is the integrity of > our public > record > > keeping. I assure you, if anyone actually knew > what is the adopted > > plan, they ain't telling. > > > > At the meeting I pointed out another detail which > shows that they > are > > blowing smoke up our asses. The ordinance adopting > the plan says > it > > gave the plan to the Planning board for review on > 1/16/2002 > (meaning > > the plan had to be created before this date). The > PB gave its > > recommendations to the council on 4/26/2002, and > the ordinance > dated > > 6/5/2002, adopted the plan in gave the PB (on > 1/16/2002) except > for > > its acceptions and objections to the > recommendations of the PB, > which > > werre further enumerated. Now pertaining to the > plan, that is it. > > There is no discussion that it was amended from > some date before > > 1/16/2002 (given to PB)to 3/15/2002. That's it. > The only dates are > > 1/16/2002 and 4/26/2002. Where did this 3/15/2002 > plan come from? > That > > is not what the ordinace adopted. It adopted > whatever plan was > given > > to the PB on 16/2002, which certainly could not > have been dated > > 3/15/2002, 2 months later. > > > > Finally, Aaron stated that C-8 must come down and > new footings > > installed. This is total new construction. He lied > by only telling > > half of the truth. Aaron stated that the only > conditions placed on > C-8 > > development in the 3/15/2002 plan was to remove > the garage and > redo > > the facade. He failed to say that the 3/15/2002 > contains a section > > identical to the 6/5/2002 plan which says that if > the developer > > can "finish" the project it can be built to the > existing height. > The > > operative word is "finish." Finish does not mean > demolishing the > > structure, excavating and redoing the footings. > That's a total new > > development. > > > > They are trying to pull a fast one here. It's time > to wake up and > > smell whatever it is they're cooking. Look at the > timing. Last > week > > its confirmed C-8 must come down (which I > predicted). I and others > > point out that if demolished they can rebuild to > existing height, > and > > thus, would want an amendment for which we could > and should get > money. > > I ask for clarification of what could be done on > C-8 site if > > demolished and all of a sudden the city this ain't > the plan. At > best > > it is gross ineptitude, at worse, its criminal. > > > > Like it or not, the council, with the exception of > Keady, won't do > a > > damn thing about this. Apparently, Johnson is > included with the > > majority. These council members are not even > familar with these > > documents. Time for a recall. > > >
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Blast from the Past
On 8/18/05 1:12 PM, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With no parking, you will have no real retail interest, enough to > justify the expected rent. This little problem is impacting Pier > Village already- and not even occuppied 100% yet. > Kinda sounds like there are enough issues being brought up to take a second look at the plan, doesn't it? I mean, the Ground Zero comparison shows that even something of that level can be scrapped and started over. The things I'm hearing people say are either that they weren't aware of the lack of tourism focus or that the plan never cared for tourism but we're still expecting tourism to be ok. I don't see how you can have it both ways. You either plan for tourism or you don't. If all you want is residential and the plan (things like parking) is solely based on residential - don't expect business from elsewhere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another Blast from the Past
> > To return to the vacation destination this place was in the 40's and > 50's? Forget it. It won't happen. Just one question: When Asbury Park still was doing well in the 60s and 70s could you have ever imagined the success Point Pleasant would eventually have as a boardwalk tourist attraction? I know I never expected it. To me, their success can be almost directly attributed to the loss of Monmouth County boardwalks like Asbury Park and Long Branch. In my opinion, if you gave families a great boardwalk experience in Asbury Park or Long Branch again they wouldn't drive the extra distance through Shore traffic. Just look at Keansburg. It still does pretty well with its local crowd even though Pt. Pleasant and Seaside Heights are available. The difference is that Asbury Park can attract tourists from all over the world while Keansburg attracts within 10 miles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another View on Crime...
Sad, isn't it? A sure sign of "no home training"! My kids turned out nice, because I was ALWAYS with them! Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: message attached Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Begin Message --- I took a nice young couple yesterday down Asbury Ave to the ocean to see some homes. A car came backing out a driveway, with 2 very angry women chasing it, beating on the hood, as my cell phone slipped under my seat, I got past, but peaked in my rear view as the 2 women in the car got out with fists flying...by the time I hit memorial drive, I saw AP's finest off and running. But they didn't go down Asbury Ave. Must of been some other excitement happening. You can always sit at Bistro Ole and watch how busy the police department is any given night after 9. Like you're on TV --- End Message ---
