[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2006-10-11 Thread FZfan


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Got my Transporter today...must - go - to - bed...

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New Home Theater System

2006-10-11 Thread SuperQ

babi8987;145558 Wrote: 
> I am going to be building a new surround sound system around my
> Squeezebox 3. For a budget of about $2000 here are the components that
> I am considering purchasing:
> 
> 1. A Denon AVR-2807 A/V Reciever
> 2. Klipsch RSX-5 Satelite Speakers
> 3. Klipsch RCX-4 Center Channel Speaker
> 4. Klipsch RPW-10 Subwoofer
> 
> I would appreciate any comments regarding this group of components.
> My music to movie ratio is 60% music 40% movie.
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve

Just to throw out another random opinion.. 

The Denon seems like a decent idea.. but maybe a bit on the overkill
side.  With a $2000 budget, you're better off tweaking the ratio to the
speaker side.  The AVR-887 might be a better deal for you.

As for the speakers, the best thing you can do to make the 40% movies
really good would be to make sure you center matches the mains.

I have Definitive speakers that have identical drivers
left/center/right.  Having a smaller center is the worst thing you can
do because 90% of the audio comes from there when watching movies or
TV.  Having identical speakers make urround pans from left to right
very smooth.  I demoed a lot of combinations when I bought the system
many years ago, and having the drivers change is very noticeable.

The brands of speakers that I would listen to in the price range you're
looking for are: (Alphabetical order, to not give weight to any one
brand)

Definitive
Infinity
Paradigm
NHT


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New Home Theater System

2006-10-11 Thread Pale Blue Ego

There are currently some very good deals on the original Mirage Omnisat
speakers, which listed for $250 each and can be had for $100 each at
Vanns.com or Amazon.

5 of these would make for a very good, compact, WAF-ready speaker array
- you'd still need a sub.  I believe these would be a nice step up from
the Klipsch.  They are smaller, cheaper, they go lower (70Hz) and
provide omnidirectional sound for easy integration into any room.

Use the savings on a better sub or receiver.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New Home Theater System

2006-10-11 Thread joncourage

Consider pairing this setup with the Outlaw 1070, Denon 3806, or one of
the Marantz HT receivers, and I think you'd have a very decent,
flexible setup in your price range

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1165199489


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New Home Theater System

2006-10-11 Thread Skunk

Just my .02 but this system looks more interesting to me:
http://hometheatermag.com/completesystems/106outlaw/

There are probably lots of options in your speaker price range as well.
Are floorstanding L/R mains out of the question due to WAF or something?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Home Theater System

2006-10-11 Thread babi8987

I am going to be building a new surround sound system around my
Squeezebox 3. For a budget of about $2000 here are the components that
I am considering purchasing:

1. A Denon AVR-2807 A/V Reciever
2. Klipsch RSX-5 Satelite Speakers
3. Klipsch RCX-4 Center Channel Speaker
4. Klipsch RPW-10 Subwoofer

I would appreciate any comments regarding this group of components.
My music to movie ratio is 60% music 40% movie.

Thanks,
Steve


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Advice on best setup

2006-10-11 Thread jan van mourik
Tomsi, the foam insulating pads you're using, where did you get those? Would they outperform the superspikes?janOn 10/10/06, tomsi42 <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:If you have a wooden floor and don't want to use spikes (afriad of
scratches), you have two options; One is to use Soundcare superspikesthat have integrated cups (see: http://www.superspikes.com/ ); theother is to use foam insulating pads. I am currently using the latter,
and they helps better than spikes I used before (less boomy bass).
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Free SB3 bundle for Transporters orders reintroduced

2006-10-11 Thread rglm

Well I for one am grateful it was re-introduced as I only recently
discovered the existence of transporter since I was in the process of
of upgrading my system.  I quickly fired off an email asking if the
free squeeze box was still available as it was not accessible on the
site. (I'm sure I wasn't the only one)  In any case, it reappeared
about 2 days later and my squeezebox is arriving tomorrow, followed of
course by a black transporter.  No question in my mind, there's a
backlog

Anyway, good to be here!


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Comparison with Lavry?

2006-10-11 Thread tomjtx

PhilNYC;145504 Wrote: 
> Ben and I are going to do this comparison tomorrow night:
> 
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369



I look forward to your comments


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread CardinalFang

tomsi42;145514 Wrote: 
> There are a many variants of these open frame 5V powersupplies. If I
> remember correctly, CardinalFang used the 3A version. 
> 
> I made a PSU with this unit:
> http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?Nr=avl%3auk&N=4294680492&in_dim_search=1&name=SiteStandard&forwardingPage=line&R=5362993&callingPage=/jsp/search/search.jsp&BV_SessionID=1508670363.1160603189&BV_EngineID=addjdfilhimcefeceefdffhdgmn.0&cacheID=uknetscape
> (its a Calex 32005A)
> 
> The idea is that you should use an industry grade non-switching
> (linear) 5V powersupply that delivers at least 1.5A. Sound engineering
> practice says (and I'm probably going to get flamed for this) that you
> should use a powersupply that can deliver twice the amount of power
> that you need. As the SB3 uses between 0.5A and 0.9A, if I remember
> correctly, many of us went for the 3A units.

Yes, I used a 3 amp version to give plenty of headroom. I like to run a
PSU well below its rating for a number of reasons.

http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?sku=4893724

This one woul do the trick I imagine, they don't seem to have the one I
used anymore.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

adamslim;145508 Wrote: 
> Would it be this one, perchance?
> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=1208814
> I'm trying to find something in the UK and it's rather frustrating,
> trying to analyse sites designed for engineers!
> 
> Recommended?  You seem positive...?

There are a many variants of these open frame 5V powersupplies. If I
remember correctly, CardinalFang used the 3A version. 

I made a PSU with this unit:
http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/searchBrowseAction.do?Nr=avl%3auk&N=4294680492&in_dim_search=1&name=SiteStandard&forwardingPage=line&R=5362993&callingPage=/jsp/search/search.jsp&BV_SessionID=1508670363.1160603189&BV_EngineID=addjdfilhimcefeceefdffhdgmn.0&cacheID=uknetscape
(its a Calex 32005A)

The idea is that you should use an industry grade non-switching
(linear) 5V powersupply that delivers at least 1.5A. Sound engineering
practice says (and I'm probably going to get flamed for this) that you
should use a powersupply that can deliver twice the amount of power
that you need. As the SB3 uses between 0.5A and 0.9A, if I remember
correctly, many of us went for the 3A units.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

seanadams;145337 Wrote: 
> You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...

As long as it is an option and it isn't too expensive.

The problem with Sonos, as I see it, is that one remote control all the
units in the house. That would be ok for me, because I am a bachelor; so
I only need one. But what do you do when dad wants to listen to Steely
Dan in his workshop, mum wants to listen to soft jazz in the living
room with a few friends, and the kids are listening to internet radio
while doing homework... It gets very expensive when you have to have 4
or 5 remotes at $299! But with the squeezebox the remote (albeit a bit
simple) is included.

I would like a reasonably small remote (PDA size - eg. the Palm
lifebook) with a display (640x480 or better) that lets me browse my
music fast and makes it easy to create playlists quickly. If it uses
Wifi or is a pure remote using IR - wwhatever is cheap and reliable. A
scrollwheel is nice, or use a touch screen (with or without a stylus).

Why do I want it - because when I invite friends to a party, I let them
choose the music, and a laptop takes to much space (and it gets filled
with beer and wine and...).


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread max . spicer

ModelCitizen;145479 Wrote: 
> Can you really tell the difference between the Transporter and the
> Squeezebox 2/3 on that gear? If you can that's great and very
> promising.
> Did you get the silver or black version?
I've now plugged in my SB2 and synced it to the transporter so I can
change between the two with a button press on my remote.  After quite a
bit of unscientific flicking between the two sources, my wife and I can
definitely tell the difference.  Further more, my wife was able to
consistently identify the transporter with her eyes closed and me not
telling her which source was which (I didn't try).

One thing that did surprise me was how good the sb2 is.  All the
differences I'd at first identified in the transporter were still there
in the sb2 (I find this is always the case when I listen to new gear
then go back to the old).  The transporter is all about subtleties. 
The soundstage is definitely better, there is definitely more detail,
there is more space to the sound and there's more oomph to the
dynamics.  To quote my wife, "it sounds like something has opened up
and let more air in".  However, you need to listen carefully to hear
this!  If you're not really paying attention, you could miss the change
between the sources.  I think you'd pick it up in the overall sound over
prolonged listening, however.

Bottom line - think carefully before spending considerably more than on
your other components!  It may well be true that you can achieve better
improvements through relative improvements in your amp, speakers etc. 
You wouldn't end up with something looking as good as the transporter,
however, and I certainly don't regret it.

Max


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread adamslim

CardinalFang;145373 Wrote: 
> Not with the Elpac, but I rehoused my SB2 into a new case along with a
> open frame linear PSU from Farnell (UK components supplier). I run it
> into a MF X-DACV3 and it surprised me how much better it sounded. Much
> clearer all round with better definition and a lot closer to my Copland
> CDP. Not sure why, but I suspect there is high frequency mush getting
> into places it shouldn't with the switcher, although I have no
> oscilliscope to go finding it!

Would it be this one, perchance?
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=1208814
I'm trying to find something in the UK and it's rather frustrating,
trying to analyse sites designed for engineers!

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

dSw;145491 Wrote: 
> That's a very good point. You don't really want to be wading through
> endless options when you're lying on the couch after a few glasses of
> wine, and indeed this will put people off. Make something easy to use
> and people will *want* to use it.
> 
> From what I've seen of the 770 skin it definitely focusses more on the
> music side of things - so maybe it's as easy as writing another skin.
> 
> How about a button at the top of the SS interface to switch between
> "normal" (for purely browsing and playing) and "advanced"  (for config)
> skins and an option to set one of those as the default?

Or you can have two bookmarks in your browser,
http://myslimserver.athome.net:9000/ and
http://myslimserver.athome.net:9000/nokia770/

If you use firefox you can put them on the bookmarks toolbar...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread Wayne1

You may want to peruse this thread

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=24771.0

I would say 1.2 amps is pushing the edge a bit.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Comparison with Lavry?

2006-10-11 Thread PhilNYC

Ben and I are going to do this comparison tomorrow night:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Advice on best setup

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

jbm0;145466 Wrote: 
> ...or, a current hot tip in the realm of
> affordable-and-surprisingly-good speaker wire:
> 
> http://www.anticables.com/

Haven't tried them myself, bur heard about before. Sounds definitevly
interesting.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cool, or what?

2006-10-11 Thread CardinalFang

tomsi42;145486 Wrote: 
> Eeeh! Who's Tim Burting?

He directed Batming.

Ok, I meant Tim Burton!


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread dSw

tamanaco;145212 Wrote: 
> I agree with what cardinalfang says. The Squeezebox remote control
> should make the navigation through my music library a pleasant
> experience. A web interface is fine for changing the Slimserver
> settings, configuring the Plug-ins, troubleshooting/debugging and all
> that other stuff, but the web interface is overkill just to change a
> radio station while I'm lying on the sofa. Many, many computer based
> products have failed because develpers fail to realize that watching TV
> and listening to the stereo are mostly "passive" activities not
> interactive.
> 

That's a very good point. You don't really want to be wading through
endless options when you're lying on the couch after a few glasses of
wine, and indeed this will put people off. Make something easy to use
and people will *want* to use it.

>From what I've seen of the 770 skin it definitely focusses more on the
music side of things - so maybe it's as easy as writing another skin.

How about a button at the top of the SS interface to switch between
"normal" (for purely browsing and playing) and "advanced"  (for config)
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

max.spicer;145473 Wrote: 
> 
> 
> I'm running with Mordaunt Short 906Is (£350), a Cambridge Audio Azur
> 640A V2 (£300), a £30 interconnect and £5/m speaker cable.  This is
> budget gear, but the Transporter still sounds great!
> 
> Max

Interesting. I tried my SB3 with an Electrocompaniet DAC in my kit and
that also gave a noticable improvement. This supports the theory that
you need to make sure that you have to start at the source.

Time to start saving...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cool, or what?

2006-10-11 Thread CardinalFang

funkstar;145457 Wrote: 
> Reminds me of Batman and some of the lovely robotic scenery in A.I. and
> Robots (films might not have been great, but the visuals were amazing
> in them). :)

I've heard the designer called the "Tim Burtin of HiFi", which fits
well. They also got pretty good reviews at 6Moons, but I'm not sure
that counts for a lot, they are some of the worst culprits for abstract
poetry masquerading as reviews and seem to like anything expensive and
with a full quota of glass tubes - but then again, so do I :-)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread jbm0

Wayne1;145421 Wrote: 
> Thank you for the kind comments on the modded ELPAC.
> 
> Supply IS getting scarce.
> 
> [...]
> 
> The ELPAC 760 model used a two conductor zip cord cable from the PS to
> the molded connector.

I seem to have found a cache of the WM050-1950-760 model (5V/1.2A
regulated, 760 connector) but...  and please forgive me for re-asking
something I know was hashed out thoroughly in the past, but I'm not
finding the reference... what again was determined to be the actual
current requirement of an SB[2 or 3]?  The nominal requirement, and the
rated output of the supplied switcher, are of course 2A.  Is 1.2A iffy,
or actually just fine?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread ModelCitizen

Can you really tell the difference between the Transporter and the
Squeezebox 2/3 on that gear? If you can that's great and very
promising.
Did you get the silver or black version?

I've only received my free Squeezebox 3 so far, but it cost me VAT and
5% import duty.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Comparison with Lavry?

2006-10-11 Thread 325xi

So, anyone had any chance to listen side by side Transporter analog out
and Lavry DA-10?

Overall impression?

Does T sounds "cooler" or "warmer" or "darker" or whatever else?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread ModelCitizen

autopilot;145427 Wrote: 
> Back to the Sooloos
Do you think this is pronounced like "So Loose"? Anything else seems to
conjure up multiple toilets, perhaps owned by a Chinese guy.
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread max . spicer

Mine arrived today!  I'm really impressed so far.  The sound doesn't
jump out and grab you by the balls until you sit down and really listen
(i.e. move away from the knob, where you're getting too distracted). 
Once you do that, you suddenly notice a vastly improved soundstage,
much more detail, and all sorts of bits you've never heard before. 
It's a really nice, controlled sound with loads of range.  And the knob
is cool!

I'm running with Mordaunt Short 906Is (£350), a Cambridge Audio Azur
640A V2 (£300), a £30 interconnect and £5/m speaker cable.  This is
budget gear, but the Transporter still sounds great!

UPS charged duty as expected.  The courier would have charged on
delivery, but I rang up and paid over the phone in advance as I was a
bit worried about whether I'd be available when it arrived and had
already heard Robin's horror story! 

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

eq72521;145455 Wrote: 
> You forgot the hot model.  :)

"Who cares! I wan't a hot girlfriend or wife" - said the eternal
bachelor ;)

Actually it is a bit suspicious that that need a hot model to sell
their stuff...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread Wayne1

JohnnyLightOn,

I have not kept one of the modded D5 Elpacs around long enogh to do a
comparison. I try to mod them and ship them out within 48 hours of
receiving them.

My personal modded 760 Elpac has been up in Longmont on loan to Sean
from AV123.com. I will get it back from him next week for RMAF.

As far as a sound difference due to the cabling, I have heard a
difference between a coax cable and a shielded twisted pair used for a
SB power supply. There just might be a difference between 2 parrallel
conductors (760) and a star quad cable (D5) used for DC.

I do not believe the difference is anywhere near as great as the
capacitor and diode differences in the modded vs unmodded Elpac.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter: front panel button trouble

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

mherger;145452 Wrote: 
> Of course I do. We did some testing tonight, with both devices connected
> to the same amp, playing synchronised, switching between them. Quite
> impressive!

If I'm lucky, a friend of mine has one by friday and I get a chance to
listen.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Advice on best setup

2006-10-11 Thread jbm0

tomsi42;144958 Wrote: 
> Another brand to consider is Kimber Kable; You can see from my signature
> that that's what I'm using. 
> 

...or, a current hot tip in the realm of
affordable-and-surprisingly-good speaker wire:

http://www.anticables.com/


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread funkstar

tamanaco;145212 Wrote: 
> I just want "ONE" remote. An over simplified example of such hybrid is
> the Logitech remote for the Xbox 360 which was made with extra buttons
> to control the Xbox
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/pr...ONTENTID=11250
That is a very nice remote actually. If it could control MediaCenter
(or more specifically, MediaPortal which uses the MCE remote in the
same way) it would be great.

autopilot;145427 Wrote: 
> Back to the Sooloos, how can anyone justify $12,000 for a custom Linux
> box, even it it does have a top end DAC and touch screen?
One word: marketing :)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cool, or what?

2006-10-11 Thread funkstar

Reminds me of Batman and some of the lovely robotic scenery in A.I. and
Robots (films might not have been great, but the visuals were amazing
in them).

I still want one of these, even if the $600 price is wasted on my ears
http://www.impamp.com

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread eq72521

autopilot;145427 Wrote: 
> And thus the proverbial cat is out of the bag ;)
> 
> Back to the Sooloos, how can anyone justify $12,000 for a custom Linux
> box, even it it does have a top end DAC and touch screen?

You forgot the hot model.  :)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter: front panel button trouble

2006-10-11 Thread mherger

Of course I do. We did some testing tonight, with both devices connected
to the same amp, playing synchronised, switching between them. Quite
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter: front panel button trouble

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

mherger;145446 Wrote: 
> Yeah, I did this and a lot more I didn't know before. Dean wants that
> box back for further investigations...

Bummer! Hope you still have that SB3 to listen to. It's better than
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: slimserver, linux FLAC -info and comments welcome

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

mudlark;145442 Wrote: 
> Anyone there?
> regards,
> M.

We're here ;)

I'm guessing that nobody's replying is that you have just found out
what we already know  - the squeezebox with FLAC is really good. And we
see that often...

Where you store your FLAC (linux server, windows server, NAS, etc)
doesn't matter as long as the SB3 gets the data fast enough. If you are
using wireless, make sure that signal quality is good or you can 
experience dropouts.

Back to the sound quality, this is a result of the good engineering
done by Slimdevices. They have taken time to focus on  sonic quality in
addition to other features. One of the reasons for the improved sound is
that the SB3 has very low jitter, and there is no CD-player error
correction circuits at work.

There are of course room for improvements. If you search this forum,
you will find that there are many options for improvements, upgrade the
PSU, get the SB3 modified or upgrade to the transporter.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread tomjtx

seanadams;145337 Wrote: 
> You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
Oh Boy!
I'll buy it yesterday.make it work for
theTransporter too...

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter: front panel button trouble

2006-10-11 Thread mherger

Yeah, I did this and a lot more I didn't know before. Dean wants that
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: slimserver, linux FLAC -info and comments welcome

2006-10-11 Thread mudlark

Anyone there?
regards,
M.
PS I live near Russ Andrews' place.  I have lots of expensive cable, oh
and i prefer records!


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter: front panel button trouble

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

mherger;145439 Wrote: 
> Seems to be a hardware issue :-( RMA only 12h after reception.

You tried to do a factory reset ? On the SBx it is pressing the add
button while turning on power (ie. connecting the power)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread JohnnyLightOn

Wayne, do you think there is a sound difference between the two Elpac
units due to the different cabling?  If so, how would you describe it? 
Thank you.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter: front panel button trouble

2006-10-11 Thread mherger

Seems to be a hardware issue :-( RMA only 12h after reception.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cool, or what?

2006-10-11 Thread ModelCitizen

The whole thing looks amazing... web site, hifi and photographs. Lovely.
The gear reminds me of an Audi TT for some reason.
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Robin Bowes
Craig wrote:
> Robin Bowes;145389 Wrote: 
>>
>> Yes, we did the Fibbers rig. The HK gear is tough stuff.
>>
>> r.
> 
> So what models are they and can they be run with just 1 sub either
> side? 

Well, I say "we" - the company I work with did them. I'd have to go back
to them to confirm model nos.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread autopilot

seanadams;145337 Wrote: 
> You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...

And thus the proverbial cat is out of the bag ;)

Back to the Sooloos, how can the justify $12,000 for a custom Linux
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cool, or what?

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

CardinalFang;145420 Wrote: 
> ElectronLuv gear
> 
> http://www.electronluv.com/html/hifi/hifi.php
> 
> Way too expensive for me, but I'd love to recreate the Frankenstein 
> lab in my listening room with these!

Definitely something for the tube lovers...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Vibrating knob

2006-10-11 Thread tgoldstone

Sounds like a great band name.  "The Vibrating Knobs"


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread Wayne1

Thank you for the kind comments on the modded ELPAC.

Supply IS getting scarce.

Allied Electronics lists 10 in stock.

Digi-Key lists 27 in stock.

I believe ELPAC has discontinued this model in favor of a switching
power supply.

The D5 model has a 5 pin DIN connector on the end. This connector need
to be cut off and a 2.5mm DC power connector soldered on. 

The D5 uses a four conductor cable from the PS to the connector.

The ELPAC 760 model used a two conductor zip cord cable from the PS to
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cool, or what?

2006-10-11 Thread CardinalFang

ElectronLuv gear

http://www.electronluv.com/html/hifi/hifi.php

Way too expensive for me, but I'd love to recreate the Frankenstein 
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Rocky Mountain Audio Fest 2006

2006-10-11 Thread Wayne1

JJZolx;145067 Wrote: 
> Modded or unmodded?

There will be one of each in 1009.

There will also be an unmodded SB3 and various levels of modded SB2.

Different power supplies will also be available for comparison on the
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Craig

Robin Bowes;145389 Wrote: 
> 
> 
> Yes, we did the Fibbers rig. The HK gear is tough stuff.
> 
> r.

So what models are they and can they be run with just 1 sub either
side? 

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Robin Bowes
Craig wrote:
> Robin Bowes;145326 Wrote: 
>> .
>>
>> Alas, I didn't hear the knock at the door and UPS took the package
>> away
>> again. :(
>>
>> R.
> 
> I bet you had that damn music on too loud again ;-)

Yeah. :(

> hey, did you supply that HK rig to Fibbers? I think they'll be needing
> a new one after the abuse they gave it last night.

Yes, we did the Fibbers rig. The HK gear is tough stuff.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread opaqueice

seanadams;145337 Wrote: 
> You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...

It would be nice to have a SB or transporter with a color display
showing the album art.  That has the drawback that it would make the SB
bigger, bulkier, and generally less sleek.  So why not design the remote
so that it can physically attach to the SB4?  That way, with it attached
you have effectively a SB with a color display and buttons, but you can
detach it and use it as a remote as well (and making it universal is a
great idea!).

Also you have a natural place to put the remote when not in use - if
you're like me you're always misplacing them.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Craig

Robin Bowes;145326 Wrote: 
> .
> 
> Alas, I didn't hear the knock at the door and UPS took the package
> away
> again. :(
> 
> R.

I bet you had that damn music on too loud again ;-)

hey, did you supply that HK rig to Fibbers? I think they'll be needing
a new one after the abuse they gave it last night.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread jonheal

seanadams;145337 Wrote: 
> You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...
I'd be happy with a Slim's standard remote if it just had learning
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread CardinalFang

joncourage;145077 Wrote: 
> Was wondering if anyone else has had the same experience?

Not with the Elpac, but I rehoused my SB2 into a new case along with a
open frame linear PSU from Farnell (UK components supplier). I run it
into a MF X-DACV3 and it surprised me how much better it sounded. Much
clearer all round with better definition and a lot closer to my Copland
CDP. Not sure why, but I suspect there is high frequency mush getting
into places it shouldn't with the switcher, although I have no
oscilliscope to go finding it!


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread CardinalFang

seanadams;145337 Wrote: 
> You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...

So when does it ship? :-)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Craig

cliveb;145368 Wrote: 
> Do you mind me asking how much duty was added by UK customs?
> (I would expect it to be just the 17.5% VAT - about 185 quid).

£178 plus what i'd already paid on the SB3
That includes the £11 UPS charged.

Craig


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Warren

Fifer;145359 Wrote: 
> That's what I'm finding frustrating. I ordered mine, but through
> official UK channels, on 10th August.


And me! 

Placed my order 2nd August


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread cliveb

Robin Bowes;145353 Wrote: 
> I ordered direct from Slim Devices on 23rd August.
Do you mind me asking how much duty was added by UK customs?
(I would expect it to be just the 17.5% VAT - about 185 quid).


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Fifer

That's what I'm finding frustrating. I ordered mine, but through
official UK channels, on 10th August.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter DAC fed by DVD Issues?

2006-10-11 Thread bludragon

OK, here is my understanding of the situation:

Technically, the performance of the transporter alone should be
superior to a transport driving the transporter, as the extra step will
most likely add jitter.

The transporter can act as a two channel DAC, so, if you setup your dvd
player to output linear PCM from its digital output, then the
transporter will be able to play back any cd's and dvd's as two channel
stereo.

If you have a seperate n-channel decoder for surround sound, then there
are two possibilities.

1. connect one digital output from dvd player to transporter, connect
the other from dvd player to decoder.

2. connect things digtally in a chain dvd->transporter->decoder.  In
that case, I am unsure as to whether the transporter will pass through
the digital signal unmodifies, but I'm assuming it should do.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter: front panel button trouble

2006-10-11 Thread radish

I haven't seen that, but then I haven't used the buttons much. One thing
I did notice is that the buttons are supported in slimserver as an
additional remote control type - so the remote mapping files probably
come into play. This makes me think that (a) possibly yours got
scrambled somehow or (b) you may be able to fix the problem by editing
the mapping file. But I'm no expert on the remote config files so I
can't really go any further than that!


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter DAC fed by DVD Issues?

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

thatMikeguy;145343 Wrote: 
> Thanks all... I too doubt that using the DV29 as a transport would
> improve the sound quality over the transporter directly. I still am
> wondering about transporter passing the digital through as I like
> options.  I use a Sherbourn 7/2100 along with Sonus Faber speakers for
> my home theatre and I have a Bryston 2 channel (3B SST I think) along
> with Totem Model 1 Signatures on the way for my Hifi system.  In all
> likelyhood I will have the transporter feeding the amp direct for  the
> hifi kit and the squeezebox 3 that came with transporter in my home
> theater setup.  Make sense to you all?? 
> Cheers,
> Mike
Makes sense to me.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Robin Bowes
Fifer wrote:
> Who did you order from Robin (and when)?

I ordered direct from Slim Devices on 23rd August.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter DAC fed by DVD Issues?

2006-10-11 Thread thatMikeguy

Thanks all... I too doubt that using the DV29 as a transport would
improve the sound quality over the transporter directly. I still am
wondering about transporter passing the digital through as I like
options.  I use a Sherbourn 7/2100 along with Sonus Faber speakers for
my home theatre and I have a Bryston 2 channel (3B SST I think) along
with Totem Model 1 Signatures on the way for my Hifi system.  In all
likelyhood I will have the transporter feeding the amp direct for  the
hifi kit and the squeezebox 3 that came with transporter in my home
theater setup.  Make sense to you all?? 
Cheers,
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos

2006-10-11 Thread seanadams

tamanaco;145212 Wrote: 
> ->Dream Begin->... Slim Devices should contract or partner with a
> "Universal" remote control manufacturer like Logitech and build a
> GUI/WiFI/IR remote control tailored for the Squeezebox. A remote with a
> color LCD to view album art, lirics tracks, playlist… etc with a
> variable speed thumb-wheel to facilitate the navigation of the
> Slimserver music library. WiFi to get rich content like album art and
> to interact with the Slimserver. In other words, I'd like to control
> the content of my Slimserver library via a Squeezebox remote just like
> I control the content of my MP3 player. In addition this remote should
> also be a "Universal" IR remote. It'd use IR codes to control the rest
> of my AV system. I just want "ONE" remote. An over simplified example
> of such hybrid is the Logitech remote for the Xbox 360 which was made
> with extra buttons to control the Xbox
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/detailsharmony/US/EN,CRID=2084,CONTENTID=11250
> 
> 

You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Fifer

Who did you order from Robin (and when)?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: front panel button trouble

2006-10-11 Thread mherger

Hi there

(I'm posting here as I hope to find the most Transporter owners here)

I received my Tx today and am having troubles with the front panel
buttons: they execute wrong function (eg. Power instead of Now Playing,
Size instead of Brightness). Has anyone ever seen an odd behaviour like
this on a Transporter?

I've checked different server versions with different firmwares (18,
19, 21), but it's all the same :-(


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Robin Bowes
Fifer wrote:
> patrick;142866 Wrote: 
>> I hope to have most of the backlog gone by end of next week.  This is a
>> hope, not a commitment.
>>
>> Patrick
> 
> Patrick, now that we are half way through 'next week', are you still on
> track with this hope? Any news at all on an ETA for UK distributor
> orders? Thanks.

Mine arrived today.

Alas, I didn't hear the knock at the door and UPS took the package away
again. :(

They're going to try again tomorrow.

R.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Noise level of SB3

2006-10-11 Thread ceejay

I'm a little puzzled by this discussion (I could say "I don't have this
problem", but that might not be seen as helpful!).

One thing that has been noted before is that, without external
attentuation, the SB does have a rather higher output level than many
other devices: so, if you compare its noise level in the way you've
described with another device with a similar S/N ratio but a lower
output level, the SB would seem noisier.

So, instead of testing with the amp turned all the way up to the max,
how about playing some loud music with the volume as high as you think
you will ever go ... and then stop the SB and - at that volume - see if
you can hear the hiss.

Apologies if you've already done that and I've misread somewhere...

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Bolder Modded Elpac PS

2006-10-11 Thread tomjtx

joncourage;145169 Wrote: 
> A bit more detail on the differences I'm hearing:
> 
> The best way to sum up the improvement is simply: "way more musical and
> natural sounding".  I didn't even realize that my system had an element
> of harshness/digititis to it that made listening somewhat wearying,
> until I plugged in the modded power supply.  I'm hearing more detail,
> better seperation and with it improved soundstaging, less harshness in
> the treble, a bit more control in the bass (more punch, less boom).  I
> guess most of the things that go into a system sounding overall more
> musical and pleasing and less tiring on the ear. More "depth" is
> something that comes to mind, for lack of a more sophisticated
> technical term.
> 
> Listening to Steely Dan - The Royal Scam right now (part of my
> Reference collection, which are all songs I'm extremely familiar with
> how they sound), and the muted trumpet, which never sounded like a
> muted trumpet before but some approximation, actually sounds like a
> muted trumpet now.  The vocals have been brought forward as if out of
> some oil barrel somewhere, and I'm hearing subtle sound effects in the
> song I don't ever remember hearing before, which tells me they were
> lost in the mix. 
> 
> Now listening to Rush - YYZ, and Geddy's bass is clear and thumping,
> not muddy and lost. Peart's drums and cymbals are clear and seperate. 
> Now this is foot-tapping stuff.
> 
> Vocals have more richness and realism than before, more as if a real
> human is singing, opposed to a recorded simulation approximating the
> voice; I guess just less "flat" and one dimensional.
> 
> I've been listening to music all night and haven't felt like switching
> off, which is what I usually want to do after about 15 minutes or so.
> 
> One thing I noticed immediately about the PS is a much fatter, sturdier
> cable from the wall wart to the barrel plug, and a much sturdier looking
> barrel connector.

You could be describing my experience with the modded elpac. I stayed
up all night too. What a significant improvement. I bought one of the
last 2 at 17.00,
now I wish I had bought both to send to Bolder.

The best 100.00 I ever spent on an upgrade.
I am eager to compare it to a transporter...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter DAC fed by DVD Issues?

2006-10-11 Thread jeffluckett

ezkcdude;145301 Wrote: 
> Yeah, but can he play back the DVD audio signal from SlimServer?

This is only a guess, but I imagine that as long as he goes digital to
the Transporter, then Digital to the Home Theater, then surround sound
should be unaffected.

I am basing this assumption on the fact that a properly encoded file on
your HD can stream 5.1 through a SqueezeBox to a Surround Receiver just
fine.

Transporter should be just passing that digital signal unaltered from
the DVD player to his Surround receiver.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter DAC fed by DVD Issues?

2006-10-11 Thread ezkcdude

Yeah, but can he play back the DVD audio signal from SlimServer?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Noise level of SB3

2006-10-11 Thread dcolak

Skunk;144926 Wrote: 
> 'Digital Volume Control' in player settings>audio only affects the
> digital outputs, so being configured to use digital volume shouldn't
> matter w/ regards to the analog output.
> ...
> I sincerely apologize if you knew all this.. :)

Thank you for all the information. :) Unfortunately NAD C370 does not
have the gain setting so there is no way I can use SqueezeBox3 without
pre-amp or an attenuator. Level of hiss is just too high.

I thought that SB3 was a hi-fi product that was better than my sound
card, that was the primary reason I bought it (instead of couple of
meters of interconnect cables). 

Doesn't all the hiss corrupt the sound quality? M-Audio's sound card
sounds much "better" with more airy sound, black between instruments is
more pronounced and overall soundstage is more precise.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter DAC fed by DVD Issues?

2006-10-11 Thread P Floding

thatMikeguy;145285 Wrote: 
> Hmmm... Anybody? Help please?

It seems unlikely, to the point of almost impossible (depending on how
the Transporter is connected to the (W)LAN), that an external transport
into the Transporter would sound better than the Transporter playing
back uncompressed audio from Slimserver.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter DAC fed by DVD Issues?

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

thatMikeguy;144972 Wrote: 
> Hey all,
> I am thinking of feeding my new Transporter (on arrival) the digital
> signal from my Arcam DV29 DVD player.  This in an effort to improve CD
> playback from the machine.  This might prove unnecessary if the
> Transporter is better sounding.  If not, how will the Transporter pass
> through the DVD material ie. multi channel etc.?  It is only two
> channel correct?  I have a feeling that this just won't work for me
> 
> Help!

I think the transporter only decodes stereo, but it should improve CD
playback quite a bit. What amplification are you using ?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter DAC fed by DVD Issues?

2006-10-11 Thread thatMikeguy

Hmmm... Anybody? Help please?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters

2006-10-11 Thread Fifer

patrick;142866 Wrote: 
> I hope to have most of the backlog gone by end of next week.  This is a
> hope, not a commitment.
> 
> Patrick

Patrick, now that we are half way through 'next week', are you still on
track with this hope? Any news at all on an ETA for UK distributor
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System Advice

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

ob_kook;145036 Wrote: 
> Thanks Tom. Do you have any fav amps that bear scrutiny? My budget is
> about $2K. 
> 
With $2K there is a lot of choice. As I am based in Norway, the market
is much different - also the pricing. As you can see from my signature,
I am using Rotel at the moment. Plusses are neutral sound, good control
of bass, plenty of power and sensible price. They are not as detailed
as some of the more expensive stuff though. My own experience is mostly
with Electrocompanient gear;  A friend is a dealer...

ob_kook;145036 Wrote: 
> 
> As for a passive attenuator, is this for volume control? How is the SB
> internal preamp for volume control?

Yes it is for volume control. If you search the forum, you will find
threads discussing the merits of using a pre-amp versus passive
attenuator versus direct connection.  As I have multiple sourcesand I
bought the kit before the squeezebox, I went for a pre-amp/power
solution. This also gives me more options if I need more power.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Does Transport emits EMI, noise?

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

Can this be belated to this discussion
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28307 ?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Does Transport emits EMI, noise?

2006-10-11 Thread tomsi42

95bcwh;145147 Wrote: 
> Yes he did.

Yes to both questions or the last one ?

The next thing to test is to see if he gets the same effect on the
Northstar when any other equipment is connected, not just the
transporter. As it was suggested to him to disconnect the transporter,
it is probably a known issue. 

Whether it is the NorthStar that is picky or the tact that does
something strange; now that is another question...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Noise level of SB3

2006-10-11 Thread peejay

dcolak;144915 Wrote: 
> I am using the audio outs of my SB3. It's not the white noise "bug" that
> people were talking about, I had no problems like that. 
> 
> It's exactly as you described the noise floor, I've turned my amp all
> the way to the max and paused SB3 (not wanting to kill my speakers).
> SB3 is configured to use digital volume (I think that the analog volume
> control of SB3 is at 100% at all times). The situation is the same if I
> lower the digital volume to 10 (0-100) instead of having it paused.
> 
> Hm... I'll try using the different power outlet for SB. I hope it helps
> a bit.


Well, I can verify that the noise we're experiencing is not the PSU (as
Sean CEO rightly suggested). I put together a 5V DC-DC regulator using
the LM317 and some other stuff, and fed this from a 12V lead acid
battery. Same hiss from the SB3, regardless of playing, paused,
booting, zero volume, max volume, whatever, so the noise floor of this
baby is definitely out there.I'm going to measure this with an
oscilloscope when I work out where I can borrow one...interested to
know how you're going dcolak.
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