[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
Pale Blue Ego;146046 Wrote: > I always wondered why somebody didn't make a CD-R drive with 700 MB of > dedicated RAM. Load a disc and the whole thing is read into RAM for > super fast access. Handy for recording, too - no worry about buffer > underuns. They have it's called the Memory Player. www.novaphysics.com -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
A RAID style disc format would seem to preclude the record comanies from selling additional copies of discs to people who scratch, mar, etc. them. It is now the American way not to build things to last a long time. -- fathom39 fathom39's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Loop for DSP, EQ, etc.
Really, it's brilliant. CPU crunch? Who cares. Memory is cheap! inguz;146089 Wrote: > Young: check (Beta still). 44.1 only: check. When my transporter > arrives next week and settles into its new home, I'm hoping to properly > address other sample rates (but that will take more cpu crunch too...) > > Sending everything to the SB as 24-bit flac is a (slight) advantage, > despite chewing more bandwidth than 16-bit flac or whatever, since the > DSP work then doesn't lose any resolution due to re-quantizing the > processed stream. -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28259 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Loop for DSP, EQ, etc.
Young: check (Beta still). 44.1 only: check. When my transporter arrives next week and settles into its new home, I'm hoping to properly address other sample rates (but that will take more cpu crunch too...) Sending everything to the SB as 24-bit flac is a (slight) advantage, despite chewing more bandwidth than 16-bit flac or whatever, since the DSP work then doesn't lose any resolution due to re-quantizing the processed stream. -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28259 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
tommypeters;146053 Wrote: > Simple. Even with a fast drive you will have to wait over a minute for > the CD to start to play, which no-one wants. Or you will have to start > playing immediately and "read-ahead" concurrently with playing and keep > track of where you are reading and where you are playing from. Sounds > easy, but only a few (like Meridian) does it well. A friend of mine does high-end audio stuff (tube amps mostly) He developed a prototype "CD Transport" that was a linux box with some perl scripts, cdparanoia, and a decent spdif out. He made a front panel user interface with basic CD player controls.. the system would simply buffer the tracks to the disk.. if the user selected a different track, it would stop riping and skip to the next track. Once completed riping, it would keep a cache of those tracks around, and (I think it might have been freedb style disc IDs) plays the tracks from disc. The UI to select which disc to play was simple.. just put the disc in the drive and it would play the wav files (or flac I think) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Given that the transporter has a word clock out, one could add an external box to 'filter' jitter and electical noise, and also expand the number of inputs. -- bludragon bludragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1530 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB2 as Preamp?
ob_kook;146019 Wrote: > I just pulled the trigger on a pair of monoblocks to upgrade from my old > integrated amp. (woohoo!) At the moment I am considering using the SB2 > as the preamp and going analogue out directly to the amps. > > Are there any downsides to doing this? > > I tried several different searches, but could not find anything > (although I am sure this must be an oft repeated thread...) > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Kook Please dont, unless you can turn down the gains on your amps to an appropriate max listening level. See prior threads about passive attentuation, digital volume control etc. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
If I'm not mistaken, Alesys Masterlink and Meridians do buffer and re-read if necessary the audio data before processing. -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB2 as Preamp?
ob_kook;146019 Wrote: > > I tried several different searches, but could not find anything > (although I am sure this must be an oft repeated thread...) > Kook I searched 'preamp' using titles only (option in advanced search), which seemed to work quite well: http://forums.slimdevices.com/search.php?searchid=361635 Enjoy :-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
seanadams;145337 Wrote: > You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea... I'm ready to order the new remote. ::) BTW, in many non-audiophile reviews SB is considered to be very interesting, but not excessively user friendly product. Right remote may improve the perception, quite seriously IMHO. Tech geeks already like SB, so it's a good time to make it accessible for "normal" people, before they go into Sonos and the like... -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
Simple. Even with a fast drive you will have to wait over a minute for the CD to start to play, which no-one wants. Or you will have to start playing immediately and "read-ahead" concurrently with playing and keep track of where you are reading and where you are playing from. Sounds easy, but only a few (like Meridian) does it well. -- tommypeters SB3-->Meridian G68-->NuForce Ref8-->Bc Acoustique ACT A3 tommypeters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Ben, What about your thought on these setup as mentioned by Phil? 1: Using the Blue Circle BC3000mkII preamp, we listened to: -Transporter -> Dodson DA-218 DAC -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Dodson DA-218 DAC -Oracle CD1000 -> Dodson DA-218 DAC Rgds -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
highdudgeon;146040 Wrote: > These are good points. There has always been an argument for separates > in audio for just this reason. In the high end, it is almost taken for > granted, for instance, that we separate line states and amplifiers. > With a SB3 and Lavry you do have the advantage of being able to handle > more or different kinds of digital signals. If you pipe through some > potentially jittery component in the way -- say, an EQ unit -- the > Lavry will handle it. Again, in my experience, everything sounds the > same through the lavry. > > The bit about decay in the review interests me a great deal. Yep. I'm afraid Transporter wasn't really designed to compete with best outboard DACs out there. It appears to be very refined source component, with digital inputs as added value. I might be wrong though, as Sean posted somewhere that they can add some input jitter reducing scheme on software layer. Well, it would be interesting to hear more about that... -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
I always wondered why somebody didn't make a CD-R drive with 700 MB of dedicated RAM. Load a disc and the whole thing is read into RAM for super fast access. Handy for recording, too - no worry about buffer underuns. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
This seems to be along somewhat similar lines http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3522012081.html -- Nikhil Nikhil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=993 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
These are good points. There has always been an argument for separates in audio for just this reason. In the high end, it is almost taken for granted, for instance, that we separate line states and amplifiers. With a SB3 and Lavry you do have the advantage of being able to handle more or different kinds of digital signals. If you pipe through some potentially jittery component in the way -- say, an EQ unit -- the Lavry will handle it. Again, in my experience, everything sounds the same through the lavry. The bit about decay in the review interests me a great deal. 325xi;146027 Wrote: > Sounds good... Assuming close qulaity levels, my major concern is > versatility. Paying less for Lavry combo, I can reuse Lavry if for some > reason SB goes out of use. The best thing about Lavry is not just how it > sounds, but also how it behaves in less then ideal conditions, with > different sources, with different level of jitter. Being studio > product, it's designed to do well virtually everywhere. > Transporter would be a dream if it can handle digital input as good as > Lavry does. Well, I don't know, but from some posts here I've got an > impression that Tranporter has little, if any, incoming jitter > processing with all the effort dedicated to preventing jitter > generation from inside Tansporter, while Lavry has three thoroughly > designed modes for different conditions. I really want to hear that I'm > wrong. -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using DC for power
Thanks for the info. I'm definitely not an expert in this area, so I'll take your word here. I always had this impression that getting DC power from a battery was pretty much pure power out-the-tap, as opposed to DC power created from AC which must go through some hoops to get there. I wasn't aware of things like chemical noise and sinusoidal waves getting in the way. -- Gildahl Gildahl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28637 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Excellent and level-headed review. Thanks, Ben. This is one of the smartest bits of audio reviewing I've read in this or almost any forum. Ben Diss;145961 Wrote: > Let me speak to the specific differences I heard between the Transporter > connected directly to the amp and the SB2/Lavry (w/high-end power cable) > connected to the same amp with the same XLR cables. > > - It's really, really, really close. If you don't have a super good > environment and a very revealing system, I doubt you could A/B it in a > short listening session. > > - Transporter had lightly wider soundstage with instruments a bit more > precisely placed. If I closed my eyes and tried to imagine exactly > where an instrument was in front of me it was a narrower space with the > Transporter, but only slightly. > > - Transporter resolved very high frequencies a tiny bit better. > Background cymbals were more recognizable, for example. > > - Strong notes sustain better with the Transporter. A bass drum hit > with the same authority on both, but tended to trail off quicker with > the Lavry. > > Overall, the Transporter is a tiny bit warmer to the Lavry's tiny bit > more analytic nature. If given the choice between the two for the same > cost, there is no question I would take the Transporter. > > From a value comparison ($1300 vs. $2000) it's a tough call if it's > worth the price difference on sound alone. For me, the additional > features of the Transporter are well worth the upgrade price. I had > only hoped that it would at least be as good as the Lavry and it > certainly met that criteria so I'll be getting one. > > -Ben -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
mbonsack;145860 Wrote: > When I was at HP in 83 and 84, we affectionately called our 404MB drives > "dishwashers", as they looked almost *exactly* like one, replete with > front-panel controls and door-locking mechanism for the top-load disk > pack. They too required 220V power, weighed a ton, and used a > removable pack that looked like a stack of dinner plates in keeping > with the kitchen motif. It even sounded like a dishwasher and > practically shook itself off the floor when doing heavy I/O. > > These drives were the ones used in the data center that got shot up in > one of the "Die Hard" movies. It was good to see these things still > had a useful life well after the last bit was transferred from them. My Ipod nano has 10 times that capacity... And it has 100 times the capacity of the hard drive my PC (386) had in 1989 (and I had a really huge drive for a private PC). My laptop has more than 20 times the amount of RAM compared to my 1989 hard drive.. It is freakin amazing, when you think about it! ;-) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Loop for DSP, EQ, etc.
It would be really interesting to hear any update on the loop idea from SD guys... -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28259 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
tyler_durden;146015 Wrote: > This is how CD and DVD player's work. The data is recorded at "constant > linear velocity"- i.e. each bit on the disc is physically the same size, > so at the start of the disc when the laser is reading near the spindle, > the disc spins very fast. As the laser moves away from the spindle, > the disc slows down. The speed is constantly decreasing as the disc is > played/recorded. understood. but what cliveb was saying is that in addition to the speed change you describe, the speed of the drive is also adjusted to stay in sync with the clock of DAC to keep the bit flow into the buffer at the same rate as it is clocked out for the DAC. it seems to me that trying to keep a mechanical drive in sync with a clock is not an easy thing. -- pvadbx pvadbx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5719 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Sounds good... Assuming close qulaity levels, my major concern is versatility. Paying less for Lavry combo, I can reuse Lavry if for some reason SB goes out of use. The best thing about Lavry is not just how it sounds, but rather how it behaves in less then ideal conditions, with different sources, with different level of jitter. Being studio product, it's designed to do well virtually everywhere. Transporter would be a dream if it can handle digital input as good as Lavry does. Well, I don't know, but from some posts here I've got an impression that Tranporter has little, if any, incoming jitter processing with all the effort dedicated to preventing jitter generation from inside Tansporter, while Lavry has three thoroughly designed modes for different conditions. I really want to hear that I'm wrong. -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
pvadbx wrote: > mbonsack;145860 Wrote: >> When I was at HP in 83 and 84, we affectionately called our 404MB drives >> "dishwashers", as they looked almost *exactly* like one, replete with >> front-panel controls and door-locking mechanism for the top-load disk >> pack. They too required 220V power, weighed a ton, and used a >> removable pack that looked like a stack of dinner plates in keeping >> with the kitchen motif. It even sounded like a dishwasher and >> practically shook itself off the floor when doing heavy I/O. > > yep, those were the ones. ours used to wander around the computer room > when a lot of students were accessing them. for the uninitiated, these > were "super-mini" computers that used a time-sharing approach--I > managed a lab with 35 terminals where they all accessed the same > computer. does anyone remember Pr1me Computer? Hey, yes! I wrote my final year undergraduate paper in Fortran77 on a Pr1me at the University of Salford in 1991. Something to do with Digital Filter design... R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
So basically if we could get all cd player manufacturers to read some uncompressed or losslessly compressed audio files off a data cd (much the way many cd players do mp3 and wma files), we'd be golden right? well not golden, but in a much better place than we currently are? -- Nikhil Nikhil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=993 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB2 as Preamp?
As long as the "White Noise of Death" bug is truly squashed, you should be fine. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 as Preamp?
I just pulled the trigger on a pair of monoblocks to upgrade from my old integrated amp. (woohoo!) At the moment I am considering using the SB2 as the preamp and going analogue out directly to the amps. Are there any downsides to doing this? I tried several different searches, but could not find anything (although I am sure this must be an oft repeated thread...) Thanks in advance for your input. Kook -- ob_kook ob_kook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
pvadbx;146005 Wrote: > So the speed of the transport motor is constantly changing to keep the > small buffer at an appropriate level? This is how CD and DVD player's work. The data is recorded at "constant linear velocity"- i.e. each bit on the disc is physically the same size, so at the start of the disc when the laser is reading near the spindle, the disc spins very fast. As the laser moves away from the spindle, the disc slows down. The speed is constantly decreasing as the disc is played/recorded. This is why those high end belt drive CD players with 5 kg platters that rotate with the disc seem very strange. The motor that drives that assembly is going to have to do a lot of work to get the right speed, mainly acting as a controlled brake once the disc has been spun up to starting speed. All that mechanical stuff can be done away with by using a cheap CDROM drive dumping the data into a buffer. The mechanism that moves the laser and focuses it is very slow compared to the head positioners in a HDD. That is probably why DVDs don't use a HDD storage/EC type scheme. Also, there is limited capacity in the discs to store all that extra ED/EC info. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
mbonsack;145860 Wrote: > When I was at HP in 83 and 84, we affectionately called our 404MB drives > "dishwashers", as they looked almost *exactly* like one, replete with > front-panel controls and door-locking mechanism for the top-load disk > pack. They too required 220V power, weighed a ton, and used a > removable pack that looked like a stack of dinner plates in keeping > with the kitchen motif. It even sounded like a dishwasher and > practically shook itself off the floor when doing heavy I/O. yep, those were the ones. ours used to wander around the computer room when a lot of students were accessing them. for the uninitiated, these were "super-mini" computers that used a time-sharing approach--I managed a lab with 35 terminals where they all accessed the same computer. does anyone remember Pr1me Computer? -- pvadbx pvadbx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5719 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
cliveb;145869 Wrote: > Every CD player, since the year dot (ok, 1983, when CD players were > introduced) has done precisely this. The data coming off the spinning > disc is decoded and placed into a small buffer, from where it is > clocked out by the master clock at the CD player's DAC. You don't need > megabytes of buffering to do this, because the DAC's clock is also used > to modulate the rate at which the disc is read. So the speed of the transport motor is constantly changing to keep the small buffer at an appropriate level? Seems like there is a very small margin for error in this approach. If your statement is true, why do CD players of similar componentry to the SB3 sound so much worse? cliveb;145869 Wrote: > And I'm a little surprised by Sean's statement about how data should be > distributed around the disc so that if a small area of the disc is > obliterated the data can still be recovered, because this is exactly > what is done on CDs, to a certain extent. Perhaps Sean was suggesting > that the way it's done doesn't go far enough, but the way I read his > post it seemed to imply it wasn't done at all. As I understand it, the error correction for Red Book audio is distributed, but only nearby, and is nowhere near the quality of ECC data level error correction in Yellow Book CD-ROM data discs. I think Sean is suggesting that the disc be treated as a data disc rather than a real-time delivery mechanism. Then you can go to another part of the disc to pick up error correction information, fix the errors, and go back filling the buffer with data. But this only works if you have a big buffer that can handle the buffer draining while the error correction takes place, and can then handle re-filling the buffer at high speed by running the disc at multiple times the data consumption rate. -- pvadbx pvadbx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5719 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using DC for power
You will still need some form of regulation and smoothing - batteries produce electrical noise through their chemical reaction - if you are coming straight off the battery. If you are suggesting plugging your SB3 PSU into a UPS it will sound worse as almost all UPS's are designed for PC's and the waveform they output is not sinusoidal. This is why there are very few high end audio devices using battery power. One is the $3,000 Sutherland Ph.D Phono stage http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=11728§ion=equipment There are a lot of people designing iPod headphone amplifiers using batteries but as they are for portable use it is not surprising. But if you want to have a go try a bit of googling for a design and let us know. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28637 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter backlog
Good morning. As of right now all retail orders placed before 2006-09-17, which had no billing issues, have been shipped. I will try to get an update on the UK Distributor posted ASAP. Thank you all for your patience and understanding through this process. Mac Kay Sales & Marketing Slim Devices, Inc. Ph. 650-210-9400 -- SalesMac SalesMac's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5561 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28629 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using DC for power
Heuer;145979 Wrote: > Problem is as the battery runs down its voltage will drop, so you need a > method of supplying and regulating constant voltage regardless of load > and battery state. You then need to consider an on board charger or a > power meter to make sure you do not run out of juice mid-listening. > That's why I'm suggesting a UPS arrangement where the battery is charged continually, but power to the device comes directly from the battery. -- Gildahl Gildahl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28637 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using DC for power
Problem is as the battery runs down its voltage will drop, so you need a method of supplying and regulating constant voltage regardless of load and battery state. You then need to consider an on board charger or a power meter to make sure you do not run out of juice mid-listening. Easier (and cheaper) to use transformed mains although I seem to recall one of the SB3 modifiers offered a battery PSU, but maybe I am thinking of something else! -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28637 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using DC for power
I'll confess that I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but with all the talk about power supplies, could many of these issues be resolved by using DC current from a battery, say like one on a ups? For example, could one achieve qualities similar to a modified elpac by using DC power straight from a rechargeable battery? -- Gildahl Gildahl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28637 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Loop for DSP, EQ, etc.
Very well said. I use the Inguz plug-in and the result is really great. The only difficulty is to get a good record of the system and room to build the impulse response and the filters. A decent microphone and mike amplifier are required and it is a bit tricky to get good recording. The improvement to the sound is equal to one which could (if ever) be achieved buying a double value of equipment (i.e. like my 10k$ sound now like a 20k$ one) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28259 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New source for Power Supply
You may also want to try eBay - I just picked up a 5v 2A Elpac for $10 (used). -- MeridianMan MeridianMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2894 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28635 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New source for Power Supply
Or maybe SD should jump on the opportunity and offer a SB3 "premium power supply" accessory to their product line? -- 1971jonathan 1971jonathan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28635 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Let me speak to the specific differences I heard between the Transporter connected directly to the amp and the SB2/Lavry (w/high-end power cable) connected to the same amp with the same XLR cables. - It's really, really, really close. If you don't have a super good environment and a very revealing system, I doubt you could A/B it in a short listening session. - Transporter had lightly wider soundstage with instruments a bit more precisely placed. If I closed my eyes and tried to imagine exactly where an instrument was in front of me it was a narrower space with the Transporter, but only slightly. - Transporter resolved very high frequencies a tiny bit better. Background cymbals were more recognizable, for example. - Strong notes sustain better with the Transporter. A bass drum hit with the same authority on both, but tended to trail off quicker with the Lavry. Overall, the Transporter is a tiny bit warmer to the Lavry's tiny bit more analytic nature. If given the choice between the two for the same cost, there is no question I would take the Transporter. >From a value comparison ($1300 vs. $2000) it's a tough call if it's worth the price difference on sound alone. For me, the additional features of the Transporter are well worth the upgrade price. I had only hoped that it would at least be as good as the Lavry and it certainly met that criteria so I'll be getting one. -Ben -- Ben Diss Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New source for Power Supply
1971jonathan;145956 Wrote: > With the popularity of upgrading the SB3 power supply, I'm finding that > most of the usual suspects (Elpac, etc.)are now hard to come by. Really? Do you think these companies should send some royalties to SD? -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.cellandtissue.com/diy.html System: SB3->Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC->MIT Terminator 2 interconnects->Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)->Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier->Speltz anti-cables->DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10" subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28635 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New source for Power Supply
With the popularity of upgrading the SB3 power supply, I'm finding that most of the usual suspects (Elpac, etc.)are now hard to come by. I found a nice looking open (unboxed and unwired) power supply at Grainger: Sola Silverline Series, 5V, 3A, linear, low noise, .05% voltage regulation, short-circuit and over-voltage protection, 2.75 pounds, $55.15. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1611728389 It looks pretty nice to me, but I'm only a novice electronic hobbyist. And what about 3amps--is this taking things too far? Anybody care to comment on the suitability of this supply? -- 1971jonathan 1971jonathan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28635 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
Simon;145947 Wrote: > DAB in the UK will always be worse than FM And I would strongly recommend that anyone who likes radio should get an FM tuner. A NAD 402 costs just £20 on ebay; my Rotel 990 cost just £120. A live Radio 3 broadcast will sound better than any CD, IMHO (I can't speak for all, but it does sound really much better than my £1.5k CD player, no contest). Just make sure that you spend a few quid on a rooftop aerial. Flamebait: better value than an SB3, I reckon ;) -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter backlog
Anybody from SD able to comment?... -- Warren Warren's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28629 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
DAB in the UK will always be worse than FM as the technology adopted is the worst in the world. Have a look at this http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/dab/worldwide_dab.htm Simon -- Simon Simon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=367 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Like I said, I should hope the Gold was more resolving. Eight or nine times the cost. Yep, it had better be something special. I find it out that you consider the Lavry "smearing," though. Audio professionals and even high-profile reviewers I know consider it state of the art and perfectly revealing. In an absolute sense. Still, there is always a matter of taste. I personally prefer it to the Benchmark, but some people prefer the Benchmark. Potatoes, Potaatoes. Alas, modding something by one's self is beyond most people. The Monica sounds kind of cool, though. Is there a market place somewhere for DIY projects like this? From your comments, I'd be interesting in getting my paws on one to check outl. Jenks;145923 Wrote: > Lots of expensive parts were involved so it was not cheap cheap, I think > about USD400 plus the SB2. A lot went into the power supplies and black > gates everywhere. Black Gates work very well with NOS DACs - better > than Auricaps. > > I couldn't call the DA10 close to the Gold in my system, but obviously > such subjective ratings are subjective. My system involves Nuforce amps > too, but through Jena SCs and Verity Parsifals. I have owned the Blue > about two years, the Black about three months and had the Gold on loan > for 6 weeks. The Black is on loan to a friend who also finds it a > little too lacking in immediacy in his system. It is a fantastic > value, no doubt of that, clearly better value than the Blue. But I do > prefer my Monica2, and the Gold was clearly more resolving and notes > started and stopped with much less smear and more naturally. -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Loop for DSP, EQ, etc.
Gosh, so many differences. First of all, I think Inguz is a huge step in the right direction. I've read and re-read the literature and I applaud the developers for having a great idea an executing it. A few downsides. It is a bit limited, a bit complex, and it is a Windows only application. A lot of people in the creative and academic fields use macs and I'm one of them. Still, I absolutely -- absolutely -- think they have the right idea! Why not use your computers processing to analyze sound, create filters, and attach them to the software? This is easier, cheaper, and no doubt sonically cleaner than spending thousands of dollars on a TacT unit. Remember: more stuff in the audio signal can only degrade sound. The very best stuff just keeps it close to the source (your CD or whatever). If I were a PC user, I would support them, 100%, even if I didn't always use the software. No, on the cheap side, the Behringer deq2496, like, on the expensive side, the Z-Systems RDQ-1 (I have both), can operate in the digital domain. This is nice because it means that, as with Inguz, you alter the signal before it hits your DAC. If you have a good jitter-eliminating DAC, then the device is effectivel transparent. The Behringer is nice because it is quite versatile. The automated function is a bit goofy and not really intended for home use. However, the graphic EQ and parametric EQ functions are easy to use -- assuming you have experience with this stuff -- and they pack quite a lot of punch. To measure the room, I use a DBX RTA-M mic. I have had this calibrated and I load the calibration file into my software. The mic runs to a Presonus Firebox audio device, which is perfectly flat in response, and that runs into my Powebook. There, the impulse is recorded and analyzed by Fuzzmeasure, which is a powerful, professional measurement software package. How do I get the impulse? Fuzzmeasure shoots the sine sweep out the laptops audio output; there I have a 1/8->RCA splitter cable that runs to the amps (folks, you don't need a $1,000 cable for this. We're testy frequency, not audio quallity.) So, impulse, measure, look at results, tweak EQ, repeat. No doubt, an even more automated system is superior. A dream for me would be a plugin to Fuzzmeasure that would allow one to match real measurements to target curves and then export filters to Slim Server. Maybe if I buy the developere lunch for a year! In the meantime, I would not hesitate to use Inguz, especially if you're not familiar with manual EQ. It can be a slippery slope. I was involved in music quite a bit in my youth, so it is not new to me; but, it is not for everybody. stevo;145868 Wrote: > What is the advantage of using the approach above over using DRC > software on the computer and do the correction before the Transporter? > Have you investigated www.inguzaudio.com ? > > stevo -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28259 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
In terms of the BBC - I think the internet services were set up as a replacement for SW and before DAB for users where FM was poor and only received LW/MW. As a side issues - the encodings of the "Listen Again" programs are different to the live streams. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Lots of expensive parts were involved so it was not cheap cheap, I think about USD400 plus the SB2. A lot went into the power supplies and black gates everywhere. Black Gates work very well with NOS DACs - better than Auricaps. I couldn't call the DA10 close to the Gold in my system, but obviously such subjective ratings are subjective. My system involves Nuforce amps too, but through Jena SCs and Verity Parsifals. I have owned the Blue about two years, the Black about three months and had the Gold on loan for 6 weeks. The Black is on loan to a friend who also finds it a little too lacking in immediacy in his system. It is a fantastic value, no doubt of that, clearly better value than the Blue. But I do prefer my Monica2, and the Gold was clearly more resolving and notes started and stopped with much less smear and more naturally. -- Jenks Jenks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter Digital Inputs
Thanks for that - now to place the order.. -- Jenks Jenks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28625 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
adamslim;145894 Wrote: > The problem is, it's never going to sound as good as your FM4. > Ultimately, yeah the SB is great, but I don't see the point of internet > radio when you're listening to something you can get via FM. The SB is > no more convenient than a tuner (OK, your Quad may not be remote > control, but how often do you change channel?), it's always going to > sound worse than FM until they broadcast 500+kbps FLACs (never), so > stick to your radio. > > What really annoys me is that Radio 3 is broadcast via DAB at 160kbps, > which is a lower rate than the sound part of their TV channels > (256kbps). It seems bizarre to have something where the audio is all > at worse quality to something where the audio is the side benefit. > Actually, it doesn't annoy me - it just makes me glad I haven't bought > a DAB tuner! :) To be honest I was naively hoping that internet radio might be better than my FM4 (as I had hoped with DAB). Radio 3 is about the only decent quality broadcast on UK FM radio that I know of. Most FM stations are appalling. And even BBC3 lacks the high frequencies (due to the FM specification) that are so audible on CD - it just so happens that they aren't very prevalent on classical music so it doesn't matter. I guess DAB in theory could be quite good sound quality but in practice is pretty rubbish, at least in the UK. There must be some decent quality internet stations - just have to find them - and then hope they are good music too! -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
Pre-Squeeze I have used Meridian players and for quite a few years they have been using DVD ROM drives in their CD players. They spin faster, read faster and can therefore re-read when required to reduce read errors. These have fed reasonable sized buffers prior to the output stages. That said, the CD's don't spin at 7200rpm and the players don't have the same level of buffereing as your average HDD. -- ncpl ncpl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6305 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
ok - will keep an eye on that website - looks like a higher quality stream may be in the pipeline. Also still curious if there is a way on SB3 on avoiding all internet stations with a bit rate below say 128kbit? I thought there was but I can't see it. Thanks for your help .. Rob -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
bpa;145887 Wrote: > The BBC are aware of the need to provide higher bandwidth The problem is, it's never going to sound as good as your FM4. Ultimately, yeah the SB is great, but I don't see the point of internet radio when you're listening to something you can get via FM. The SB is no more convenient than a tuner (OK, your Quad may not be remote control, but how often do you change channel?), it's always going to sound worse than FM until they broadcast 500+kbps FLACs (never), so stick to your radio. What really annoys me is that Radio 3 is broadcast via DAB at 160kbps, which is a lower rate than the sound part of their TV channels (256kbps). It seems bizarre to have something where the audio is all at worse quality to something where the audio is the side benefit. Actually, it doesn't annoy me - it just makes me glad I haven't bought a DAB tuner! :) -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Listening to more music now!/Which amp?
Cheers for the link, will have a look :) -- probedb Paul. 'last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/probedb) 'myspace.com' (http://www.myspace.com/l328nud) probedb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7825 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28606 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Listening to more music now!/Which amp?
Dunno whether this is still available or of any interest, but doesn't look too expensive to me:- http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27305 -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28606 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter backlog
It was hoped last week that the original backlog of Transporter orders would be cleared by the end of this week (today presumably) which I assume covers shipments to fulfil orders placed with official UK distributors back in early August. Can anyone from SD confirm the status or provide an update? -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=639 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28629 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Listening to more music now!/Which amp?
Cheers everyone. The Chorus is a very tight fit...sometimes I think it might actually break the sockets when I fit it! Will get some cleaner tho. Well I'll see what the Audiolab stuff gets to, there's an 8000S and an 8000LX I've found so I'll see. The reviews I've read seem to point it as good for the sort of sound I'm after and for the price I'm willing to give it a shot! Speakers are only KEF Coda 9s (circa 1997ish) but so far with every upgrade they've held their own and the bass is really tight...at some point I'll get new speakers but not yet.house to buy, car to sort first :) -- probedb Paul. 'last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/probedb) 'myspace.com' (http://www.myspace.com/l328nud) probedb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7825 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28606 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
If you are UK based - paste the URL into the Tune in box and it should work. 48kbps is higher than 40kbps - however the ASX format may be used later to add a variety of bitrates. As it stands the WMA stream for R1-R4 seem to be trials and as such I think only limited resources are applied to it. The BBC are aware of the need to provide higher bandwidth are currently running a multicast trial (now closed to general public) - you can see the sort of stream being trialled here http://support.bbc.co.uk/multicast/streams.html -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
I gather the WMA link for BBC3 is http://www0.bbc.co.uk/radio3/wm_asx/aod/radio3.asx. But even this is only 48kbit, and I am not sure how to set up a web address such as this to play out of SB3. Or are you suggesting that there is a better quality link? -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Speaker recommendations for Sonic Super T Amp
P Floding;145821 Wrote: > I use a pair of Warfedale Diamond 8.1 as computer speakers off of a > T-Amp. Sounds very good at times. (When Softsqueeze works for a > change.) Yeah I use exactly the same thing for my computer system! A more overhyped system you could not imagine, but it does sound great for £100. -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
128KBit can sound reasonable, although not fantastic. AlienBBC is clearly way below this, whether played on the SB3 or on my PC via WMP /real player. To be honest I can't see what bitrate AlienBBC is working at - is there a way of telling on the SB3? is there a way of filtering out all the stations with a bitrate below say 128kbit? -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
The data rate of the BBC RealAudio streams is typically around 40kbps except for Worldservice which is about 16kbps. I think the BBC still wants to support Narrowband (dialup) users and also they have a very large number of users so providing high speed worldwide would require significant bandwidth and I think is not considered to be the best way to spend the licence money. Perhaps this is why the new WMA based UK only services may have higher rates. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
The BBC Real Audio quality is not too good. However, I am constantly amazed how good Shoutcast stations bradcasting at 128k sound. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Squeezebox3 (linear PSU) > Benchmark Dac1 > Naim NAC 82 > Naim NAP 250 > Shahinian Arcs. Plus other irrelevant, superfluous and annoying black boxes. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
Most of the internet radio channels that I have tried is around 128kb and then it can't sound good... -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Internet Radio Quality
You might want to try making some comparisons between AlienBBC/Softsqueeze on your PC vs. listening to the same stations "directly" using WMP or Real or whatever you have. It may well be that the poor quality is all you are going to get - your download bandwidth, your ISP, and the BBCs upload are all limited... Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Internet Radio Quality
I have just started using AlienBBC via my SB3, mainly for BBC3 and BBC4, and unfortunately the quality is pretty bad. It is significantly worse than my DAB which in itself is worse than my Quad FM tuner. Is there a way to improve on this? Also, from the myriad of internet stations out there, is there a way of selecting ones with at least good sound quality? I believe there is a way of setting a minimum bit rate of say 320KBit but I can't see it anywhere. -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
pvadbx;145798 Wrote: > why didn't cd manufacturers stick 20-30 megabytes of memory into their > machines and rebuffer and re-clock the bitstream to avoid all the sonic > problems associated with a mechanical transport? I can't believe what I'm reading in the responses in this thread. Every CD player, since the year dot (ok, 1983, when CD players were introduced) has done precisely this. The data coming off the spinning disc is decoded and placed into a small buffer, from where it is clocked out by the master clock at the CD player's DAC. You don't need megabytes of buffering to do this, because the DAC's clock is also used to modulate the rate at which the disc is read. And I'm a little surprised by Sean's statement about how data should be distributed around the disc so that if a small area of the disc is obliterated the data can still be recovered, because this is exactly what is done on CDs, to a certain extent. Perhaps Sean was suggesting that the way it's done doesn't go far enough, but the way I read his post it seemed to imply it wasn't done at all. -- cliveb Performers -> dozens of mixers and effects -> clipped/hypercompressed mastering -> you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Loop for DSP, EQ, etc.
What is the advantage of using the approach above over using DRC software on the computer and do the correction before the Transporter? Have you investigated www.inguzaudio.com ? stevo -- stevo stevo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6250 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28259 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Any SF Bay Area Transporter Owners ...
Image what your new Transporter will sound like through these. Doesn't the thought of a Sennheiser Orpheus tempt you? +---+ |Filename: Sennheiser Orpheus at Meet.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1831| +---+ -- Grahame Grahame's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
