[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Looking for suggestions, newbie here
tf1216;149779 Wrote: > > In trying to disable the ATT I copied the processes on my computer. I > could not find what was suggested I end process on. If you don't have an ATI tray icon then the process probably isn't running, but I have to say I think you're barking up the wrong tree there, even though the error was the same. Have you tried running EAC in the 'compatability mode' of x64? http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=27022 Did you download the wnaspi32.dll from Nero or an unknown source? http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/eng/WNASPI32.DLL.html Once again, make sure it's in the top level of the exactaudio directory (EAC folder). Did EAC get installed in the 'Program Files' folder (default I believe)? Then there are always other ripping apps which have been proven to work on x64, but others have gotten EAC to work: http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=20689&st=0&p=210776&#entry210776 -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
My Transporter sounded awful out of the box, and if burn-in wasn't happening, it would have been returned by now. Out of the box, the mids are recessed. Bass is a smeared "one-note" affair that doesn't integrate with any of the higher frequencies. After a few hours, the mids start coming forward, and the bass begins to show some definition. That is, you can actually hear the string being plucked or picked, as opposed to simply the presence of bass noise. And no, the increased definition in the low end isn't placebo. As the unit gets some playing hours, there is definition present that simply wasn't there before. At this stage of things, I'd rate the Transporter as a better sound than my Ack! dAck!, but not up to the Bel Canto DAC2 yet. Nowhere close to any of my other sources (VPI Scoutmaster, Ariston RD11s, Meridian G08, Exemplar Denon 2900, Wadia 301). However, it's still early in the burn-in process, and it's still changing. Thankfully. At the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, Tyler Acoustics had a blind setup where they were asking people to distinguish between two different amplifiers. I tried it on the second day, and was able to tell the two apart very easily. However, apparently I was only the fifth person of all that had taken the test who was able to do that reliably. That shocked me completely, but if a large majority of people (presumably audiophiles at that locale) couldn't reliably tell the difference between those amps, which was night and day to me in a blind setup, I can at least understand why burn-in is controversial (and it has nothing to do with placebo effects). -- hirsch hirsch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Suggestions for an up-to-date, available source for a linear PS
El Duderino;149784 Wrote: > > Elpac seem to be unavailable from online retailers. Are there any US > 120V input options that are available nowadays? There is one* Wayne of Bolder has written a bit about. The data says regulated switching, but Wayne says it's linear regulated (?): http://www.boldercables.com/servlet/Detail?no=375 *: type: EPS143-ND here: http://www.digikey.com/ OTOH, for that kind of money you should be shopping for Chinese DACs (IMHO). -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29058 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB is killing the SACD format! ;)
Wow, this is an old thread. >DSOTM I have the SACD and it's fantastic to listen to in multi channel, but how many other artists/genres lend themselves to a 5.1 mix? When the music is just instruments and vocals, the only option the sound engineer has is to make you feel like you're in the band. Notwithstanding the difficulty in doing this well without making it gimicky, is this really the way the artist intended their music to be heard? >proper SACD player Well I doubt my $200 universal player would qualify but the Sony ES models mentioned by others in the thread must surely count. 5.1 music will only ever have niche appeal because it requires the listener be in the sweet spot the whole time. It's not suitable for background listening, can't be played on portable players through headphones, and any sound quality difference over CD is probably inaudible to most people; particularly given the poor quality of the equipment in the average home. The final nail in the coffin is the closed nature of the format. I had high hopes for SACD when I got my first player, but like most on this thread, the few albums I own have barely been out of the case since I got my SB2. -- jimmy100 jimmy100's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1506 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB is killing the SACD format! ;)
I don't get this. Have you guys ever heard a SACD in the multi-channel 5.1 mix, such as DSOTM with a proper SACD player? -- Sliztzan Sliztzan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8173 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: HDCD encodin and playback...
Hi, newbie that's into the hd market and just caught this thread from search. I was wondering why ms media player won't id an hdcd like it use to. I have wmp 10. A previous version had a red light that came on when I put in a hdcd cd. I have no way of knowing if it picks it up at all...not in file properties or nothing. Anyway that's not why I jumped in this thread. I just wanted to let you know I've been downloading hdcd encoded retail flac files for awhile now. I burn them to cd's and play them back on my hdcd external player. The little hdcd light comes on and plays them fine. I've even ripped retail hdcd discs with Nero and Plextools to test, in both wave and flac formats, and all is good. I furthur tested the flac files I made and converted them to wave with same success. -- Sliztzan Sliztzan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8173 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14803 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
This is a timely subject, because I've been breaking in new speakers with a FLAC file of "Stereophile's Special Burn-In Noise". I haven't yet decided if they are improving with break-in - I'm still too pumped at how much better they are than my old ones! I think I'm gonna hafta spring for 2 or 3 more for the rear channels... (actually, the ultimate burn-in music has to be Muslimgauze. If your system can survive that without shredding or melting, you're good to go. Maybe I'll see if I can peel the titanium off the new tweeters with a few well-chosen tracks) -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/96 on Transporter: should it work?
Just for HT tests, I have two 24/96 files: one FLAC and one WAV. Since the Transporter supports 24/96 (I assume so from the overview page: "Sample rates: 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 96kHz, Audio format: linear PCM, 16 or 24 bits per sample") I tried them out. To my astonishment the WAV played! At 13824 kbps, I was amazed. But I wasn't sure what I was hearing - it was supposed to be -Hotel California- but instead it sounded like dirge music. Then about 2 minutes into the track the vocals started - I realized it was playing at super-slow speed. The FLAC file didn't play at all, even though its bitrate was 6956 kbps. The Transporter froze, then the left screen went dark. I could only bring it back to life again by unplugging and replugging it in. I'm not going to play 24/96 music all that often, but still, should it have worked? One other note: foobar stated that both tracks were 6-channel. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29059 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for an up-to-date, available source for a linear PS
Hi, This is my first post to the forum and I must say that the level of knowledge and interest on these boards is impressive. The SB3 is now hooked up to my separates system (NAD C541 CDP, NAD C320BEE amp, Acoustic Energy Evo speakers, QED silver anniversary speaker wires, Atlas Explorer Interconnects). The sound quality is pretty good but I could not help but explore the audiophile forums here, where I read several (long) threads on upgrading to a linear power supply. This seems like an inexpensive option to try and improve the sound, although there seems to be significant controversy about whether this makes any difference at all. In any case, I am looking for an inexpensive, plug-n-play, no soldering/terminating/etc. required linear regulated power supply. Unforunately, all those mentioned in previous threads including the well regarded Elpac seem to be unavailable from online retailers. Are there any US 120V input options that are available nowadays? Thanks in advance. El Duderino -- El Duderino El Duderino's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8171 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29058 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Looking for suggestions, newbie here
DCtoDaylight, the winaspi32.dll file is in my EAC folder. When I try to open EAC I am unable to get far enough to do what you suggest. In trying to disable the ATT I copied the processes on my computer. I could not find what was suggested I end process on. Any more help from anyone? PLEASE +---+ |Filename: processes.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1896| +---+ -- tf1216 tf1216's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Am I the only one who thinks it is not cool to engage in blatant marketing of competing products on this forum? Jeez, even the modders are fairly low key and rely on word of mouth. Rob Darling;149666 Wrote: > Hello, > > I am Rob Darling and I am indeed a part of Sooloos. I was the "guy" > who gave the demos at Magnolia. > > We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site > someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe > there was a little bit of ill will developing that I should step in and > defray. > > We did put the Classic Car Club/Sooloos video on youtube in response to > a post on the Sonos forum stating that we were vapourware, figuring that > people would find it pretty quickly, which they did. But the Sonos > forum seemed more interested in our model than the system and things > mostly ended there. > > That has been the limit of our activity on-line. We just debuted a > month ago at CEDIA and have been busy since then working to finalize a > number of software changes and develop dealer relationships. We've > been watching the press closely and have been happy to see that we've > at least made a splash- believe me, it was pretty scary to walk into > the Denver convention center next to some of the biggest companies in > the world and try to break into a really rough business. > > We are a new company and worked hard to develop what we think is a > great music server system that serves certain needs for certain > customers. > > Our product is priced the way it is because it does a lot of things, > rather than asking the user to do a lot of things, which ends up being > expensive. > > For example, it has two storage devices- a secondary and a primary- > that actually offer zero downtime redundancy and can be regenerated by > the customer, or any non-technology person, by simply switching two > cables and powering up the replacement. I'm sure you can imagine the > hard drive cost alone for a redundant pair of terabyte NAS'es. > > For users with multiple homes, the systems synchronize their > collections. > > We integrate all AMG metadata, including credits and reviews, and all > of it is easily searchable in a way that goes far beyond normal search > functions in its incredible ease of use, which we call Focus. We will > soon offer a music store through the box and that will also be > searchable in the same way. > > Our system is multi-zone and can be extended in any direction > independently- more control, storage, or zones are only added as > needed. > > So, please understand that we are a different system from the > Squeezebox and Transporter, addressing different needs. I actually was > shown both by the great sales folks at Magnolia and really liked them. > > If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me. I notice > that a number of you are in the New York area- if you'd like a demo, we > can set something up. > > > > Rob Darling > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Good points. I just hate to see open fleecing. McIntosh is one example of a product is is over-priced...but their amps are excellent and they fit a certain aesthetic to a "T." In that sense, they are worth every penny. opaqueice;149613 Wrote: > Well, I totally agree that $12,000 is a ridiculous amount to pay for > that, if all you consider is the base functionality. My point was > precisely that such things as $5,000 amplifiers exist, when even the > vaunted ears of John Atkinson can't disitnguish between them in blind > tests. So even if you believe there may be an audible difference > between a $500 and a $5000 amp (and I do) it's a evidently a very > subtle one, and the base functionality is identical - far more so than > the SB compared to the Sooloos. And I won't even bring up $1000 > wires. > > So I think any audiophile, or at least anyone willing to consider > spending a significant amount on an amp, is on very precarious grounds > criticizing the Sooloos. If people can afford to pay a lot for beauty > and sleek design, why not? At least they're getting something for > their money, unlike many things I could name in the audiophile world... -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Digital loop-through on Transporter?
I had been hoping to do something similar Is this something that could be possible with a firmware upgrade? Should I put in an enhancement request? Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29056 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote: > Hello, > > I am Rob Darling and I am indeed a part of Sooloos. I was the "guy" > who gave the demos at Magnolia. > > We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site > someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe > there was a little bit of ill will developing that I should step in and > defray. > > We did put the Classic Car Club/Sooloos video on youtube in response to > a post on the Sonos forum stating that we were vapourware, figuring that > people would find it pretty quickly, which they did. That would be me. I said that based on the website it looked like vapourware - it does look more like a rendering than an actual picture; but when I saw the YouTube video, I said I stood corrected - and I don't mind apologizing again - no offence was intended it was merely an observation. There was certainly no ill will on that forum or on this one, just people thinking out aloud about the whether the price tag is justified. I don't know if it is, but I will keep an open mind. Nikhil -- Nikhil Nikhil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=993 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Looking for suggestions, newbie here
The winaspi32.dll file was exactly the thing I was thinking might be your problem. Its a problem that plagues many versions of windows (not just x64). Put it in the EAC folder, and then in EAC, select the pull down: EAC/EAC Options, click on the Interface tab, and switch to "installed external ASPI interface". Then Quit out of EAC, and restart it Hope this helps! Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote: > > We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site > someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe > there was a little bit of ill will developing that I should step in and > defray. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, how did you know we were talking about Sooloos in the last few days? -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3->EZDAC->MIT Terminator 2 interconnects->Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)->Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier->Speltz anti-cables->DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10" subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Digital loop-through on Transporter?
Not possible at the moment -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29056 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital loop-through on Transporter?
I've got a Transporter on order but can't find anything in the manual stating that you can pass-through any of the digital ins to a digital out. I only see references made to using it as a D/A. I have a Polk Audio XM receiver and am taking its optical SPDIF out into my receiver. With the addition of the Transporter, I'd like to loop the optical through so I don't have to run another 'hose'. Is this even possible? Thanks... -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29056 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
I really like the way valve gear warms up, and opens up, over the first quarter hour or so. As for the Transporter, I'm reserving judgement; mine's only been playing for a few days, and it sounded pretty darn good out of the box. -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
Phil Leigh;149742 Wrote: > > I find it odd that nothing ever sounds worse after time... I've found some components to get worse before they get better during their burn-in period, particularly balanced amps. I generally assume that amp designers/manufacturers do most of their testing after the amps have considerable playing time to ensure the caps are fully burned in... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
New active crossover boards always sound like hell to me, and get better over about a minute. -- mazurek mazurek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1455 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter and Tact Millenium
No problem. You just set the transporter's voulme to max, and adjust on the amp. Then use the knob for anything else. If you are using digital outputs, you can disable the volume control . -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29052 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
whats with the name? -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
SoftwireEngineer;149739 Wrote: > I am afraid the term 'audible' is relative, Sir. > > My SB3's digital out changed over a period of time. I thought it was > the linear power supply that I added that made the difference. I did an > A/B with the included power supply, the difference with the linear > supply was subtle and realized the SB2 overall has changed overtime. > > Re: warm-up. My earlier Int. Amp Audio Refinement Complete took atleast > 20min to sound 'right'. Please dont tell me I am imagining this. I have > had that amp for quite a few years. That is why I like my current > digital amp. Sounds the same from the moment it is switched on > (probably a few seconds but I can never tell :-)) > > If caps can change over time, why not an amp with lots of caps inside. > Actually, it is the insulation which is changing, so even wires > 'break-in'. When I got my Zu Ash, suddenly the bass was too tight and > hard. After a while, the sound was very comparable to my old digital > interconnect when I did a A/B. > > Re: instruments and other devices - If it is digital it should not > matter (unless jitter is an issue). If analog, maybe people keep > recalibrating the equipment or the break in even by the time, the > machine is calibrated/certified. > > I think the issue is real. We should not jump to simplistic > conclusions. I often wonder if this is pure placebo. So many reviewers start out with "when i first plugged this in it sounded terrible, but after a few days it sounded ok/great/the best thing I've ever heard"... I don't buy this whole cable burn-in argument. I think it's simply an artefact of human intelligence - ie it now sounds OK coz I'm used to it... I find it odd that nothing ever sounds worse after time... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] REDGUM Amps with Transporter...?
does anyone know of the australian high-end brand, REDGUM? has anyone heard one of these? I am really into buying just an REDGUM amp (RG120m) and use the analog out of the transporter... but I really would like to hear some opinions first, since they aren't real cheap. any comments appreciated. I am from germany, no reviews here, but I heard in the US they are quite wide-spread - in terms of high-end. Their sound must be extraordinary, very high power while consuming very low watts. Mosfet amps... -- truckfighters truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29053 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact Millenium
Hi i have just placed my order for the Transporter . It will be used with my tact intergrated digital amp. I will use the balanced digital output on the Transporter But what about the volume control on the transporter I would prefere to only control the level through the millenium amp Are there other thing that i should be aware of when seting it up with a Tact fully digital amp ? regards -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29052 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
byKnight;149705 Wrote: > What about them? I'm talking about what's audible. > > . I am afraid the term 'audible' is relative, Sir. My SB3's digital out changed over a period of time. I thought it was the linear power supply that I added that made the difference. I did an A/B with the included power supply, the difference with the linear supply was subtle and realized the SB2 overall has changed overtime. Re: warm-up. My earlier Int. Amp Audio Refinement Complete took atleast 20min to sound 'right'. Please dont tell me I am imagining this. I have had that amp for quite a few years. That is why I like my current digital amp. Sounds the same from the moment it is switched on (probably a few seconds but I can never tell :-)) If caps can change over time, why not an amp with lots of caps inside. Actually, it is the insulation which is changing, so even wires 'break-in'. When I got my Zu Ash, suddenly the bass was too tight and hard. After a while, the sound was very comparable to my old digital interconnect when I did a A/B. Re: instruments and other devices - If it is digital it should not matter (unless jitter is an issue). If analog, maybe people keep recalibrating the equipment or the break in even by the time, the machine is calibrated/certified. I think the issue is real. We should not jump to simplistic conclusions. -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
Very informative responses, thanks all -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
azinck3;149713 Wrote: > Indeed...it would seem as though electronics should only drift further > out of spec over time (not talking about the initial warm-up/charge-up > time as things reach operating temperature/status). Agreed - My Marshall sounds much better after 10 mins of valve warming! Seems that after a few years your capacitors start to "die" (electrolytics)...and bridge rectifiers (I've had a couple of those actually crumble into dust!) -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters
It would have been nice to have had some sort of explanation a few weeks ago for those of us long standing and loyal SD customers still frustrated at not having received orders placed in July and August. -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=639 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters
It's just supply and demand: all products are in production, but we can't build enough of everything at the moment. RoHS isn't entirely the reason, but if you're interested here is a good intro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROHS FYI, all Transporters have been RoHS compliant from the beginning. For Squeezebox, there is both RoHS and non-RoHS inventory being distributed, but since we can only ship RoHS product into Europe, there is a supply shortage until production catches up. Once the non-RoHS stock is consumed, the USA shipments will also be RoHS-compliant. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
Phil Leigh;149703 Wrote: > My experience has been the opposite! - amps etc burn-out after time... > (speakers sure do burn-in though) Indeed...it would seem as though electronics should only drift further out of spec over time (not talking about the initial warm-up/charge-up time as things reach operating temperature/status). -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters
Happening with a lot of US sourced kit (I am waiting for a Lumagen Radiance which I ordered a year ago) so not entirely unexpected. Getting hold of other hi-fi equipment is also a nightmare. Personally imported goods are exempt, obviously too much work for the bureaucrats! -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
Not sure about burn-in time for amps. But I had a Pioneer Amp that sounded dull and unengaging when just turned on, improving after one or two hours. I noticed this every day when coming home from work. Leaving the amp on and it was OK (ish). Not sure why, but I favourite hypothesis is that it has to do with the transistors warming up and reaching ideal temperature. -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
PhilNYC;149691 Wrote: > How about measureable changes in capacitors? Or measureable changes in > the oscillator clocks? What about them? I'm talking about what's audible. -- byKnight Really, it was like that when I got here. byKnight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
azinck3;149697 Wrote: > Just wanted to applaud your attitude towards the criticism -- I thought > this thread might go downhill quickly when I saw the first few > responses... > > As for the issue at hand: I must say that based on my own experience > and my amateur knowledge of electrical engineering that I am firmly > with the skeptics on this one. Can't see what a burn-in period would > accomplish for an electronic device. My experience has been the opposite! - amps etc burn-out after time... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
snarlydwarf;149695 Wrote: > I think that is probably true of most readers here as well. Hmmm - I'm guessing that runs out to less than $12k, including food, wine etc :0) Of course the delicious irony that will be lost on these folks is that most people I know that could easily afford such a system have about 50 CD's... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
tomjtx;149646 Wrote: > What about initial warmup of electronics? eg. amp , transporter etc are > disconnected from the outlet. If one perceives a "hardness" to the > sound for the 1st several minutes , 10 minutes or 30 minutes is there a > scientific explanation for this or do most of you think this is > psychological? > BTW, I don't have any opinion on this, but I know there are a lot of > enginers and science savvy people on this forum and I enjoy learning > about that perspective. > > After all skepticism and knowledge are wonderful financial protectors > in the audiophile world. Just wanted to applaud your attitude towards the criticism -- I thought this thread might go downhill quickly when I saw the first few responses... As for the issue at hand: I must say that based on my own experience and my amateur knowledge of electrical engineering that I am firmly with the skeptics on this one. Can't see what a burn-in period would accomplish for an electronic device. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote: > But the Sonos forum seemed more interested in our model than the system > and things mostly ended there. I think that is probably true of most readers here as well. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
byKnight;149673 Wrote: > > But if you perceive a change in how the audio being pumped out of your > Transporter sounds, the difference is much, much, much more likely to > be ocurring in one or more of the following: > 1. Your ears > 2. Your brain > 3. Your room How about measureable changes in capacitors? Or measureable changes in the oscillator clocks? -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Rob Darling;149666 Wrote: > Hello, > > I am Rob Darling and I am indeed a part of Sooloos. I was the "guy" > who gave the demos at Magnolia. > > We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site > someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe > there was a little bit of ill will developing that I should step in and > defray. > > We did put the Classic Car Club/Sooloos video on youtube in response to > a post on the Sonos forum stating that we were vapourware, figuring that > people would find it pretty quickly, which they did. But the Sonos > forum seemed more interested in our model than the system and things > mostly ended there. > > That has been the limit of our activity on-line. We just debuted a > month ago at CEDIA and have been busy since then working to finalize a > number of software changes and develop dealer relationships. We've > been watching the press closely and have been happy to see that we've > at least made a splash- believe me, it was pretty scary to walk into > the Denver convention center next to some of the biggest companies in > the world and try to break into a really rough business. > > We are a new company and worked hard to develop what we think is a > great music server system that serves certain needs for certain > customers. > > Our product is priced the way it is because it does a lot of things, > rather than asking the user to do a lot of things, which ends up being > expensive. > > For example, it has two storage devices- a secondary and a primary- > that actually offer zero downtime redundancy and can be regenerated by > the customer, or any non-technology person, by simply switching two > cables and powering up the replacement. I'm sure you can imagine the > hard drive cost alone for a redundant pair of terabyte NAS'es. > > For users with multiple homes, the systems synchronize their > collections. > > We integrate all AMG metadata, including credits and reviews, and all > of it is easily searchable. We will soon offer a music store through > the box and that will also be searchable in the same way. > > Our system is multi-zone and can be extended in any direction > independently- more control, storage, or zones are only added as > needed. > > So, please understand that we are a different system from the > Squeezebox and Transporter, addressing different needs. I actually was > shown both by the great sales folks at Magnolia and really liked them. > > If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me. I notice > that a number of you are in the New York area- if you'd like a demo, we > can set something up. > > Best, > > Rob Darling > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] That sounds wonderful, but could you just go over the cost justification bit again please lol... -- autopilot *SlimServer Version:* 6.5 - Windows XP. *Amp:* Cambridge Audio 640a (living room) / Denon MD30 (bedroom). *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom). *Remote:* T-Mobile MDA Vario / Sony PSP / Cambridge Audio Explorer (IR). *Clients:* 1 Squeezebox3 + Softsqueeze. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
tomjtx;149614 Wrote: > There is a break in time for fine classical guitars and spruce tops take > much longer than cedar tops to break inat least a year or more. I thought I smelled a fellow guitar geek! :) Nothing like that period of time when the top on a new guitar starts to "open up." But if you perceive a change in how the audio being pumped out of your SB sounds, the difference is much, much, much more likely to be ocurring in one or more of the following: 1. Your ears 2. Your brain 3. Your room -- byKnight Really, it was like that when I got here. byKnight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
I didn't pay close attention to the exact amount of time, but I found my Transporter did change after a week or two of time (about 18 hours per day). Am pretty sure it wasn't my imagination, because every couple of days I would do an A/B with my Oracle/Dodson setup as a reference point for changes. The Transporter started out to be a little rough, a little "thumpy" in the bass, but cleaned up nicely after a week. Highs became more refined, etc. This was mostly true for the analog outs. Digital outs also seemed a little rough, but improved after just a couple of days... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Hello, I am Rob Darling and I am indeed a part of Sooloos. I was the "guy" who gave the demos at Magnolia. We have kept a policy of staying away from forums- this is a site someone else works hard to put up and pay for- but I felt that maybe there was little bit of ill will developing that I should step in and defray. We did put the Classic Car Club/Sooloos video on youtube in response to a post on the Sonos forum stating that we were vapourware. But the Sonos forum seemed more interested in our model than the system and things mostly ended there. That has been the limit of our activity on-line. We just debuted a month ago at CEDIA and have been busy since then working to finalize a number of software changes and develop dealer relationships. We've been watching the press closely and have been happy to see that we've at least made a splash- believe me, it was pretty scary to walk into the Denver convention center next to some of the biggest companies in the world and try to break into a really rough business. We are a new company and worked hard to develop what we think is a great music server system that serves certain needs for certain customers. Our product is priced the way it is because it does a lot of things, rather than asking the user to do a lot of things, which ends up being expensive. For example, it has two storage devices- a secondary and a primary- that actually offer zero downtime redundancy and can be regenerated by the customer, or any non-technology person, by simply switching two cables and powering up. I'm sure you can imagine the hard drive cost alone for a redundant pair of terabyte NAS'es. For users with multiple homes, the systems synchronize their collections. We integrate all AMG metadata, including credits and reviews, and all of it is easily searchable. We will soon offer a music store through the box and that will also be searchable in the same way. Our system is multi-zone and can be extended in any direction independently- more control, storage, or zones are only added as needed. So, please understand that we are a different system from the Squeezebox and Transporter, addressing pretty different needs. I actually was shown both by the great sales folks at Magnolia and really liked them. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me. I notice that a number of you are in the New York area- if you'd like a demo, we can set something up. Best, Rob Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rob Darling Rob Darling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8163 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
I saw and used the Sooloos at the Seattle store as well. Probably just missed Amy. I spent a couple of hours with the fellow from Sooloos and am going to visit them in New york. The product is amazing. High quality UI, hardware, software and price. They are not even thinking about the common users market place. They only want to sell this thing in the high end of the CEDIA market. It is the same class people that buy Crestron automation systems to run thier homes. They want high quality touch, high quality support and will pay large some of money to have that. BTW I think you'd be hard pressed to get one of those systems for $12k, more like $15k. Am I going to buy one? no. I love our three Slimdevices. -- jasleinstein jasleinstein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3813 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
BlueBlast;149640 Wrote: > Third: It has some interesting features that I don't think are done > elsewhere, like simultaneously ripping to multiple lossless formats, > for example. The UI has a lot of depth to it as well. > > Is it worth 12k? Maybe not to you or me, but to some it will be. > Also, you have to realize that they spent 6 years developing this > system without any outside investment. They have to price it at a > level that they believe will allow them to recoup that investment. > They are not competing with SlimDevices etc. They are instead > competing with folks like Kaleidescape but oriented to 2 channel. Is > the Kaleidescape system worth 25k? > > And I don't own any $1k cables (and never would). > > BlueBlast There already exists software to rip to multiple formats (I'm pretty sure monkey's media is one example). I made a point of saying that it would appeal to people with high price elasticity :). Your post doesn't contradict this. -- totoro _ squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
I sympathize with you guys. What a frustrating situation. I got my TP a few days after I ordered it because my US dealer was moving and gave me his. Can't you cancel your orders and re-order direct from Slim? It sounds like the UK dealers are being unresponsive so why give them your money? Godd luck, I think you will be very happy when you do get your TP -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
What about initial warmup of electronics? eg. amp , transporter etc are disconnected from the outlet. If one perceives a "hardness" to the sound for the 1st several minutes , 10 minutes or 30 minutes is there a scientific explanation for this or do most of you think this is psychological? BTW, I don't have any opinion on this, but I know there are a lot of enginers and science savvy people on this forum and I enjoy learning about that perspective. After all skepticism and knowledge are wonderful financial protectors in the audiophile world. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters
cliveb;149638 Wrote: > > RoHS, if you don't know, stands for "Restriction of Hazardous > Substances" and is an EU single market directive (ie. a rule imposed on > everyone by faceless and unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels) that > came into force on 1st July. Funny that it doesn't seem to apply if you buy it direct from Slim! MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Squeezebox3 (linear PSU) > Benchmark Dac1 > Naim NAC 82 > Naim NAP 250 > Shahinian Arcs. Plus other irrelevant, superfluous and annoying black boxes. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
I spent a fair amount of time playing with the Sooloos at CEDIA and talking with the developers. First: Its not just a standard PC with a nice UI. They did a fair amount of their own custom hardware as well as database work. Second: Its blazingly fast. The response time is much much better than any Windows/Linux media server I saw at CEDIA. Third: It has some interesting features that I don't think are done elsewhere, like simultaneously ripping to multiple lossless formats, for example. The UI has a lot of depth to it as well. No I don't work for SooLoos. Is it worth 12k? Maybe not to you or me, but to some it will be. Also, you have to realize that they spent 6 years developing this system without any outside investment. They have to price it at a level that they believe will allow them to recoup that investment. They are not competing with SlimDevices etc. They are instead competing with folks like Kaleidescape but oriented to 2 channel. Is the Kaleidescape system worth 25k? And I don't own any $1k cables (and never would). BlueBlast -- BlueBlast BlueBlast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8155 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters
Warren;149624 Wrote: > Another week passes with still no sign of my Transporter or an > anticipated delivery date > > It's now 12 weeks since I placed my pre-order - has anybody in the UK > received a Transporter ordered via the UK distributor or a reseller? I just got an email back from Progressive AV. They said something that I haven't seen mentioned on these forums: > Slim Devices have had issues with European RoHS legislation which has > delayed Squeezebox 3 and Transporter stock arriving in to the UK. RoHS, if you don't know, stands for "Restriction of Hazardous Substances" and is an EU single market directive (ie. a rule imposed on everyone by faceless and unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels) that came into force on 1st July. It basically bans certain substances in electrical and electronic devices. So perhaps Squeezeboxes and Transporters have something in them which could give little Johnny a tummyache if he ate half a dozen of them. (Funny thing is, I had no problem buying some components from RS recently that are not RoHS compliant. Perhaps stock that's already in Europe may continue to be sold, but importing new stuff gets blocked - anyone know more about this?). -- cliveb Performers -> dozens of mixers and effects -> clipped/hypercompressed mastering -> you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
Mark Lanctot wrote: > I see what you mean about amps - one day I'd like to go for Bryston > amps, and they do adhere to the burn-in idea: I don't have a Bryston, the closest I got was that I considered one before I bought my Classe > At least they admit it's for weeding out failures, which I agree is > useful. As to "maturing" components, ? Marketing-speak electronic components typically have lots of failures "infant mortality" in the first minutes of use, and then low failures for a long time until late in life, 5 to 10 years. Assuming you don't have power spikes, kids pouring Koolaid into it, etc. twenty years is longer than anyone cares, it is essentially "lifetime" without using the words. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
Pat Farrell;149621 Wrote: > That a solid state > amplifier would sound significantly better after 100 hours of > operation > is hard for me to believe from an engineering view. And if it was > real, > an audiophile would reasonably expect that the manufacturer make 100 > hours of playing music be part of the manufacturing line process for > amps costing as much as a car. I see what you mean about amps - one day I'd like to go for Bryston amps, and they do adhere to the burn-in idea: http://www.bryston.ca/14bsst_m.html > Unique Burn-In Procedure: > > Each and every Bryston product undergoes a very extensive burn-in > procedure. Following a complete operational checkout, every amplifier > is placed on a test-bench and cycled on and off at one hour intervals > for 4 days at full output. This extremely rigorous burn-in quickly > matures components and weeds out any potential premature failures. At least they admit it's for weeding out failures, which I agree is useful. As to "maturing" components, ? Can't argue with a 20-year warranty though. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: UK Transporters
Another week passes with still no sign of my Transporter or an anticipated delivery date It's now 12 weeks since I placed my pre-order - has anybody in the UK received a Transporter ordered via the UK distributor or a reseller? -- Warren Warren's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
opaqueice;149617 Wrote: > In fact if break-in existed it would be well known to researchers - in > physics people all the time build *extremely* sensitive electronic > devices, and if these changed over time it would screw up tons of > measurements. Exactly - think how expensive and critical a satellite is. There are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of solder joints. Every one must be carefully inspected - there are actually "solder engineers" that do this. Every cable must be tested and checked as well. You don't want this to fail in orbit! I wonder if those guys believe in the concept of burn-in? I don't think so. While they do power it up and leave various circuits running, this is only to test it and make sure there are no defective components (if it runs for 100 hours on the bench, it probably will for another 100 000 hours in orbit), not to let it burn in. They would definitely not want the operating characteristics to drift over time. The only pseudo-scientific explanation for burn-in I've seen mentioned is "electron creep". Sounds shaky at best, and google can't even locate any links on it. > On the other hand your ears/brain are going to percieve changes whether > or not they exist. So you decide which is more plausible... Yes, the brain will adjust and get used to how things sound. You even get used to speaker colouration - extremely flat FR speakers aren't usually perceived as pleasant because our minds grow used to what less-perfect speakers sound like. On subtle things like sound, our brain and how it perceives/interprets it plays a very large role. It can completely fool you, which is why ABX tests are so important. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
tomjtx wrote: > tyler_durden;149611 Wrote: >> Which is more likely to be "breaking-in", the device or your mind? >> My money is on YOU. > > There is a break in time for fine classical guitars and spruce tops > take much longer than cedar tops to break inat least a year or > more. Speakers also clearly have a break in period. Granted, these > are mechanical devices with moving parts. Mechanical things have real break in times, but they are usually a lot shorter than people expect. An automobile could take a thousand miles, but racing car motors are broken in within a mile or so. Drag racing motors only live for four seconds or so, from rebuild to rebuild. Hammocks require serious break in time. > An electronic component ,cold, out of the box seems to change within > the 1st hour. Some claim that it will change in the 1st several 100 > hours. Is there "science" behind that belief or only subjective and > highly susceptible opinion? There is accepted science that capacitors take a while to "form up". I think the time is accurately measured in charge/discharge cycles, rather than minutes. Folks rebuilding old radios use variable voltage sources to slowly apply AC voltage over minutes. There is also accepted management science about buyer's remorse. I expect that most of the 'break-in' time associated with audiophile stuff is really overcoming the buyer's remorse. That a solid state amplifier would sound significantly better after 100 hours of operation is hard for me to believe from an engineering view. And if it was real, an audiophile would reasonably expect that the manufacturer make 100 hours of playing music be part of the manufacturing line process for amps costing as much as a car. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
ezkcdude;149593 Wrote: > You haven't already realized Amy does work for Sooloos? Look at her > posts here in the SD forums. There's 5 of them, all in this thread. All > magically appearing only after a Sooloos thread was started...I'd bet my > bottom dollar, she's a paid troll. I thought she was a troll from the 1st post.I was just trying to be polite:-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
tomjtx;149614 Wrote: > > An electronic component ,cold, out of the box seems to change within > the 1st hour. > Some claim that it will change in the 1st several 100 hours. > Is there "science" behind that belief or only subjective and highly > susceptible opinion? While IANAEE, I seriously doubt any such phenomenon could exist. Circuit components are simply pieces of metal and a few pieces of semi-conductor stuck together in various configurations. Sending some electrons flowing through them should have close to no effect on them whatsoever. As small a change as re-arranging an interconnect cable or moving a speaker wire should be vastly more important. In fact if break-in existed it would be well known to researchers - in physics people all the time build *extremely* sensitive electronic devices, and if these changed over time it would screw up tons of measurements. On the other hand your ears/brain are going to percieve changes whether or not they exist. So you decide which is more plausible... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
highdudgeon;149511 Wrote: > > Being an audiophile does not mean that one has to belong to the overly > credulous and seriously over-spending crowd. Being an audiophile does > not automatically mean that you judge a product by its price tag. Case > in point: I've driven $5k amps with a $300 SB3 and thought it was > marvey. > > > > The thing about the Sooloos that I find rather easy to object to is, > then the price. It is severely over-priced for what it is, especially > given that it isn't even market-tested and that the technology will > swoop by in an instand. Twelve thousand. TWELVE thousand. It's a bit > offensive. Well, I totally agree that $12,000 is a ridiculous amount to pay for that, if all you consider is the base functionality. My point was precisely that such things as $5,000 amplifiers exist, when even the vaunted ears of John Atkinson can't disitnguish between them in blind tests. So even if you believe there may be an audible difference between a $500 and a $5000 amp (and I do) it's a evidently a very subtle one, and the base functionality is identical - far more so than the SB compared to the Sooloos. And I won't even bring up $1000 wires. So I think any audiophile, or at least anyone willing to consider spending a significant amount on an amp, is on very precarious grounds criticizing it. If people can afford to pay a lot for beauty and sleek design, so what? At least they're getting something for their money, unlike many things I could name in the audiophile world... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
tyler_durden;149611 Wrote: > Which is more likely to be "breaking-in", the device or your mind? My > money is on YOU. > > TD That is a good point, and one of the reasons I like the sanity of this forum. There is a break in time for fine classical guitars and spruce tops take much longer than cedar tops to break inat least a year or more. Speakers also clearly have a break in period. Granted, these are mechanical devices with moving parts. An electronic component ,cold, out of the box seems to change within the 1st hour. Some claim that it will change in the 1st several 100 hours. Is there "science" behind that belief or only subjective and highly susceptible opinion? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
Which is more likely to be "breaking-in", the device or your mind? My money is on YOU. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
tamanaco;145212 Wrote: > ->Dream Begin->... Slim Devices should contract or partner with a > "Universal" remote control manufacturer like *Logitech* and build a > GUI/WiFI/IR remote control tailored for the Squeezebox. A remote with a > color LCD to view album art, lirics tracks, playlist etc with a > variable speed thumb-wheel to facilitate the navigation of the > Slimserver music library. WiFi to get rich content like album art and > to interact with the Slimserver. In other words, I'd like to control > the content of my Slimserver library via a Squeezebox remote just like > I control the content of my MP3 player. In addition this remote should > also be a "Universal" IR remote. It'd use IR codes to control the rest > of my AV system. I just want "ONE" remote. An over simplified example > of such hybrid is the *Logitech* remote for the Xbox 360 which was made > with extra buttons to control the Xbox > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/detailsharmony/US/EN,CRID=2084,CONTENTID=11250 > > seanadams;145337 Wrote: > You know, that's actually a pretty interesting idea... In retrospect, I don't think Sean was commenting on the technology per se. ;-) -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Amy Lynne;149501 Wrote: > Maybe Logitech will buy Sooloos and then you'd have your interface! No need to buy Sooloos. Logitech already owns SD. Logitech (Harmony) is already one of the top 4 or 5 AV Universal Remote Control (IR/RF Remote "Interface") makers in the world. I never used the Sooloos and I'm not suggesting that SD/Logitech emulate the Sooloos interface. I'm an advocate for a 3rd party "optional" Universal remote customized for the SB (Logitech now being the obvious 3rd party). A remote with a GUI WiFi/IR/RF interface. If this Universal remote can also be made so that one can hold it in "one" hand (like a MP3 player) it would be even better. -- tamanaco tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
joncourage;145013 Wrote: > But Sean - you so need a hot model. This one can click my remote any day... https://secure.slimdevices.com/order/upgrades.cgi -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
Bingo! (rats, that was too short for posting. Double-bingo.) ezkcdude;149593 Wrote: > You haven't already realized Amy does work for Sooloos? Look at her > posts here in the SD forums. There's 5 of them, all in this thread. All > magically appearing only after a Sooloos thread was started...I'd bet my > bottom dollar, she's a paid troll. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Looking for suggestions, newbie here
I am pretty sure I put the correct .dll file into the folder. I will double check that again when I get home tonight. The file that is supposed to be in the folder is "WNASPI32.dll", correct? I will try and kill the process inside of the task manager tonight. I hope this works. Thank you for your post. -- tf1216 tf1216's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Looking for suggestions, newbie here
tomsi42;149573 Wrote: > If you have an ATI card, and have installed the driver AND utilities; > you will have a try icon (in the lower left corner of your task bar). I believe the tray is on the lower right corner, and the quick launch icons are on the lower left- at least w/ previous versions. At any rate, you could go into 'task manager' and kill the ATT process- which is what the guy in the linked post did. After searching around the 'digital-in' I read a couple post's where andre (developer of EAC) said it will work fine w/ x64- and to just drop the 32dll into the EAC folder. Are you sure you got the right dll in the right folder? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
tomjtx;149585 Wrote: > Maybe Amy and bmaudio should work for sooloos, they are very adept at > defending themh You haven't already realized Amy does work for Sooloos? Look at her posts here in the SD forums. There's 5 of them, all in this thread. All magically appearing only after a Sooloos thread was started...I'd bet my bottom dollar, she's a paid troll. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3->EZDAC->MIT Terminator 2 interconnects->Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)->Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier->Speltz anti-cables->DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10" subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: TP changes with break in
OK, does this question belong in audio la la land? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The Sooloos
totoro;149524 Wrote: > OK,it's true that some development time went into the software. But even > assuming some really large value for the hardware, say 7k, you're > looking at a 5k hit for the software. > > This is pretty far beyond what people generally spend for software for > home. And I'm sorry, but it wasn't as hard to write as icc, say (the > last thing I remember getting that cost 5k a seat). > > So even if it is really cool, its appeal will be only to people with > _really_ high price elasticity. > > This is especially true as the market is just beginning for this kind > of stuff, and once some larger companies get involved looking to make > money on a large scale (logitech, anyone), we'll most likely be seeing > lower prices for ease of access features. > [flame suit on] > I'd say this belongs right up there with >1k cables. :) > [flame suit off] Great post..I'll re-read it every time I'm tempted to buy expensive cables :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28499 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter backlog
slimjim;149500 Wrote: > I ordered my Transporter on October 3rd and I finally got the tracking > number for the shipment today (24th)! > Ken I ordered mine two days later and have just been rung by UK UPS to request my VAT number... I get it tomorrow! Yipp!! This despite an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] saying that there was a problem with my card (which I know there wasn't, loads of money in it and it worked fine when they took the dosh for the SB3) MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Squeezebox3 (linear PSU) > Benchmark Dac1 > Naim NAC 82 > Naim NAP 250 > Shahinian Arcs. Plus other irrelevant, superfluous and annoying black boxes. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28629 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Looking for suggestions, newbie here
I do have an ATI videocard installed but there is nothing in the icon tray. -- tf1216 tf1216's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Looking for suggestions, newbie here
tf1216;149567 Wrote: > The title of the thread in the link provided below is the problem I am > having: > > http://www.wilderssecurity.com/archive/index.php/t-111989.html > > "Application failed to initialize properly (0xc005)" When I try to > open EAC I get an error message. That is as far as I can get. > > I am using Windows XP x64 OS. The last post in the link provided seems > to have the solution to my problem. I am just unsure how to make the > fix. If you have an ATI card, and have installed the driver AND utilities; you will have a try icon (in the lower left corner of your task bar). Right click it and select exit. -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Looking for suggestions, newbie here
The title of the thread in the link provided below is the problem I am having: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/archive/index.php/t-111989.html "Application failed to initialize properly (0xc005)" When I try to open EAC I get an error message. That is as far as I can get. I am using Windows XP x64 OS. The last post in the link provided seems to have the solution to my problem. I am just unsure how to make the fix. -- tf1216 tf1216's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter wont work with Infrant NAS
A formal release is a long way off. Basically Infrant had to do some deep level changes to the firmware to get SS 6.5 to work but subsequent releases will be stand alone. If you read the release notes you will see what has been added in the beta - nothing controversial so you can use the update without fear of data loss. They intend to release 6.5.1 as soon as it is released by SD and this will just be a SS add-on, but you will still need the "beta" firmware installed to run it. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
