[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Headphone amp for Transporter XLR connector ?

[hirsch]

muski;168135 Wrote: 
> Note that this is not a balanced amp, and so cannot be connected to the
> Transporter's XLR balanced outputs.  Headroom does make some balanced
> amps, but they are even pricier.  Also, if you do buy a balanced
> headphone amp, you will need to recable your HD 600s.

Headroom makes a balanced version of the Desktop that is under $1000.
This is a relatively new amp.

For the HD-600, a balanced MPX-3 from Singlepower Audio is very good
sonically at a fairly reasonable price ("reasonable" in an audiophile
sense, anyway).

I'm trying the Transporter with a Singlepower ES1 electrostatic
headphone amp driving the Sennheiser Orpheus headphone, and have no
complaints. However, this particular setup is not cheap. The SDS-XLR
from Singlepower is their best balanced dynamic headphone amp (and a
rather stellar preamp also), but again, this one is not cheap.

Note that if you want to use a balanced amp with the HD-600, you will
need to buy an aftermarket cable that has balanced connectors on it. 
These are normally a pair of XLR connectors on the headphone cable
(standard was set by Headroom when they made the Blockhead amp).


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter setup with Bryston - Balanced levels

[Eric Carroll]

Well, the Bryston 2V setting and unbalanced connection with no
attenuation on the Tp works very well. 

I haven't tried the balanced side yet.

Here is a very clear statement on the requirement to set the source to
amp gain via analog attentuation correctly when connecting direct from
the Slim Devices man himself:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=164681&postcount=3


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Need to brighten sound of new SB3 --> Transporter or DAC?

[muski]

First, I totally agree that the analog stage of the SB3 "currently is
not at a "hey, buddies, listen to this..." level.  But, through a good
DAC it's close.

I wonder if you might be giving up too easily on the Transporter.  I've
had mine for a month now, and the more I listen to it, the more I like
it (esp. for its upper end).  I wouldn't call it super 'bright', but I
would say it is has a medium-brightness and accuracy that doesn't tire
me out (I listen to mostly classical music).

Alas, my big system is in storage (BP25DA, 4BSST & WP7s), so I can't
yet offer you a side-by-side comparison of the Byrston vs Transporter
DACs.  However, through my Headroom Max Desktop DAC/amp and AKG701s
(albeit, an imperfect comparison), I can tell you that I really, really
enjoy listening to the Transporter DAC, certainly as much as I enjoyed
listening to the Bryston DAC.

Before my Transporter arrived, my opinion of Slimdevices (from owning
an SB2 &  SB3) was "Wow, those guys really understand how to put
together a digital transport".  After a month of TP listening, I now
feel that they also know a thing or two about how to build a great DAC.
It is at the hey-buddies-listen-to-this-level.  I recently realized
that regardless of how great a digital transport it is, the
Transporter's DAC is worthy of being evaluated against the best of the
standalone ones. 

If you can get a 30 day trial on it, I'd give it a chance.  If it
doesn't work for you, return it and you'll be one month closer to the
release of the Bryston DAC...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Ethernet Cable

[JohnSwenson]

Actually there will be a commercial product most likely announced later
this year. But its going to make a transpoter seem inexpensive. (ie it
won't be a cheap product) We were trying to get it ready for CES but
that didn't happen. The plan is to make it work with Slimserver, but it
will also play CD's, and work as a USB DAC as well. There is a full
fledged computer inside running linux which will rip CDs and play from
flash (but I make NO fancy claims like the memory player people, its
just good solid engineering) with some special analog output stages I
designed. 

On the Cat5 with LVDS, the cable DOES make a difference but not for the
usual reasons. The primary contributor to "sound" I have found for the
cables between boxes once you get reclocking properly taking place is
EMI radiated from the cable geting picked up by other parts of the
system. Getting good connectors and proper cables cuts down on the EMI.
This is also my biggest complaint about the SB3, as is from the factory
it radiates a lot of stuff, both from the Switching supply and the box
itself. I'm not saying it doesn't meet FCC rules, but when you get into
some of the very high end high resolving systems the EMI from it can
really make a difference. Thats one of the nice things the Transporter
has going for it, the EMI is WAY down from the SB3. 

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless Downloads

[fred7]

This is off the topic but since someone was mentioning that Amazon was a
good way to get music I figured that I would mention yourmusic.com I've
been using them for over a year now and I love it. Every CD that they
sell is $7 including SACD's (it used to be $6 but went up to $7 on the
first of this year). This includes shipping. The only catch is that you
have to set up a queue and but one disc from your queue each month. The
other thing is that most of their CD's are manufactured specifically
for BMG but I haven't had any problems with that, they sound perfect
and all of the artwork is included - even with box sets. They mostly
have mainstream stuff, you won't find hard to get stuff here but for $7
it's a steal. You can but as many discs as you like but you must buy one
from your queue each month and you can cancel at anytime. The only other
odd thing is that you can only add single discs to your queue (no box
sets or multi disc sets). I've probably bought over 400 CD's from them
so far, at $6 I was buying stuff that I *might* listen to but even $7
is a steal.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Ethernet Cable

[Skunk]

JohnSwenson;170699 Wrote: 
> I'm using Cat5 cable for I2S connection between boxes but I'm using LVDS
> on the interface. It works wonderfully and the EMI from the cable is
> quite low with low voltage swing. 
> John S.


I'm jealous. I'd love to hear it, especially with the clock mod. Do
those signals all travel on the cat5? When can we expect to see some
commercial products incorporating your connection method!?

As to the topic at hand, with the LVDS transmitter and receiver is
cable quality negated?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB to Power Amp ... Preamp or Attenuator or DontEvenTry?

[USAudio]

Hi Giga,
I tried the same thing for awhile, plugging the SB3 directly into an
amp (PS Audio Trio A-100).  At the listening levels I was listening at
the sound was very good but not as good as I felt it could be due to
the loss of resolution using the SB3's built-in digital volume control.
I did a LOT of research on this forum and based on an informative post
by Sean Adams, decided to go with an integrated amp instead.  Once I
tried the integrated version of the same amp, the sound became
outstanding.  That was MY experience, YMMV.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=164681&postcount=3

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB to Power Amp ... Preamp or Attenuator or DontEvenTry?

[NewBuyer]

totoro;170713 Wrote: 
> http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4c5pt/id2.html

I highly agree with totoro's suggestion.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless Downloads

[gusi]

Are these lossless download sold with the proper tags?

ie all the contributors (musos), engineers etc.

Gus


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB to Power Amp ... Preamp or Attenuator or DontEvenTry?

[P Floding]

giga;170707 Wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> I am considering plugging the SB into a PowerAmp (not integrated). 
> 
> Some people say that an attenuator is needed for when the SB goes crazy
> and spit out byte-swapped packets that can blowup speakers. Other thinks
> I need a preamp other that I should not do it.
> 
> Have you try this? What's your experience with it?
> 
> Also I only found fixed gain attenuators, not variable gain... do you
> have any advices on what attenuator to get?
> 
> THANKS!
> 
> Setup: SB3 -> B^K ST140 -> Vandersteen 2Ce

I run the SB3 straight into a Krell. I have dialled in 5 dB of
attenuation in the "preamp volume" setting, and sometimes listen on max
volume (apart from the attenuation).

With a fixed attenuator (or one which is rarely touched) you would
still get pretty massive output into the speakers, and if it is the
wrong kind (lots of power) I bet it could damage the speakers.

So the real benefit of a preamp is probably that you keep the volume
low almost all of the time, so any catastrophic event is likely to
happen when the volume is low -or even another source is selected.
Using attenuation and the SB's volume control will not give this
protection. (Unless the attenuator is turned down most of the time.)

I try to turn off the power amp as often as possible, wheras before I
left it on all the time.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB to Power Amp ... Preamp or Attenuator or DontEvenTry?

[konut]

Heres the one I use. I couldn't live without remote. 
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/preamplifiers/creek/PRD_118255_1591crx.aspx


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB to Power Amp ... Preamp or Attenuator or DontEvenTry?

[totoro]

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4c5pt/id2.html


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB to Power Amp ... Preamp or Attenuator or DontEvenTry?

[giga]

Hi,

I am considering plugging the SB into a PowerAmp (not integrated). 

Some people say that an attenuator is needed for when the SB goes crazy
and spit out byte-swapped packets that can blowup speakers. Other thinks
I need a preamp other that I should not do it.

Have you try this? What's your experience with it?

Also I only found fixed gain attenuators, not variable gain... do you
have any advices on what attenuator to get?

THANKS!

Setup: SB3 -> B^K ST140 -> Vandersteen 2Ce


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Ethernet Cable

[JohnSwenson]

Skunk;170353 Wrote: 
> 
> Another interesting tidbit I read was the idea of using rj45 and cat5
> as an external i2s interface, perhaps one application where I might
> order Belkin etc (if it would even work and i didn't read
> incorrectly!).

I'm using Cat5 cable for I2S connection between boxes but I'm using
LVDS on the interface. It works wonderfully and the EMI from the cable
is quite low with low voltage swing. 

If you use 3.3V or so you will need a high current driver which can be
problematical for jitter, all that current going onto the ground bus
etc. I tried with both 3.3V signaling and LVDS and greatly prefer
LVDS.

John S.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: on the audibility of phase differences

[Robin Bowes]

opaqueice wrote:

> By commensurate I mean related by an integer or simple rational number,
> as totoro correctly says.

Ah, right. I've not heard the term before.

> For real music I'm skeptical this will matter.  Still, it would be
> interesting to play with real tones that are pretty pure.  I may try
> recording my trumpet and then feeding it through an all-pass crossover
> to see if it makes a difference.

I think you'll find it does matter, particularly with multi-driver
speaker systems.

Real instruments generate harmonics at multiples of the fundamental
frequency. For example, an FFT analysis of a violin playing a single
note looks something like this:

http://ccp14.minerals.csiro.au/ccp/web-mirrors/isotropy/~stokesh/vspect.jpg

Now, imagine a two-way speaker system with the crossover point at 2kHz.

The fundamental tone and the first two harmonics will be played through
the LF driver, the third harmonic will sit right on the crossover point
 (who knows what will happen to that), and the upper harmonics will play
through the HF driver.

If the LF and HF drivers are not in phase then the tone of the violin
will be affect as the fundamental tone and the lower harmonics will not
play at the same time as the upper harmonics.

Let us know how your experiments come out.

R.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter and digital signal processing loop

[P Floding]

Pat Farrell;170619 Wrote: 
> P Floding wrote:
> > If anything is in the works it is sure to be a full net enabled
> > A/V-whatchamacallit with the works. Perhaps with high-end ambitions
> not
> > that they have a division with some (resent) kudos?
> 
> True audiophiles don't have televisions in the serious music listening
> room.
> 
> It is interesting that while there is a lot of overlap, the buff books
> 
> have completely split into sound (TAS, Stereophile) and video (The 
> Perfect Vision, etc.) as there is very little overlap in tastes and 
> advertisers.
> 
> -- 
> Pat
> http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

I agree totally. And the multichannel audiophile market is tiny.
But the A/V market is much larger than pure audiophile stereo. I wonder
which market the huge Logitec company might be more interested in?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

empty99;170653 Wrote: 
> P Floding asked: How does running SB3 directly into the pot sound
> compared to using the MF?
> 
> The silly audiophile in me sez no way the puny SB3 can outsound the
> 20lbs MF DAC, so I haven't tried it yet. The unit is currently at Slim
> for repair. But I did a little system shakeup of my own while waiting:
> I can confirm that the MF DAC warms things up but also put a very thin
> veil on the overall performance, as compared to using my Sony S9000ES
> direct analog out. Once the SB3 returns, I will certainly try going w/o
> the DAC and test it tete-a-tete with the Sony.
> "Simplicity...It's the most difficult form to achieve" Anonymous

I didn't see the SB3 outperforming the TacT RCS either, but it does -at
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Ethernet Cable

[Skunk]

DLloyd;170627 Wrote: 
> Actually, whether you are using wireless G or Ethernet, the music from
> your Slimserver to your Squeezebox/Transporter is data over a TCP/IP
> network, not an audio signal as such. (Just like VOIP, but much better
> quality).

Sorry, forgot to say using baluns.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Personal Introductions: Please Make This a Sticky!

[chiefersone]

So I could toslink to my Adcom GTP600 upstairs and use the RCA outputs
from the SB3 to my downstairs Denon receivervia my through the floor
RCA interconnect cable?  Is this what you are saying?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[empty99]

P Floding asked: How does running SB3 directly into the pot sound
compared to using the MF?

The silly audiophile in me sez no way the puny SB3 can outsound the
20lbs MF DAC, so I haven't tried it yet. The unit is currently at Slim
for repair. But I did a little system shakeup of my own while waiting:
I can confirm that the MF DAC warms things up but also put a very thin
veil on the overall performance, as compared to using my Sony S9000ES
direct analog out. Once the SB3 returns, I will certainly try going w/o
the DAC and test it tete-a-tete with the Sony.
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[totoro]

Yes, but will a $200 new amp last as long as a well built used one for
$500?

My mccormack is a pretty solidly made beast.

That's part of the value for me. And I'm _not_ advocating some super
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[jan van mourik]

For sure that would make my wife happy! And, I guess, me too. When I
compared the Rotel Rb-1090 to a Classe ca-5200, I think the Classe sounded a
bit better, driving a B&W 803. Very delicate, refined. I ended up getting
the Rotel because it was much cheaper :-) But maybe someday I'd like to
upgrade to Classe. If by that time I still think I hear a difference, of
course...

On 1/15/07, opaqueice <
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Robin Bowes;170612 Wrote:
At best the differences were very subtle,
and I suspect there were none at all.  Furthermore (as can been seen in
the review above) a $200 amp measures as well or better than far more
expensive units.  Finally, numerous sources (yes, on the internet, but
including John Atkinson among others) indicate that in blind tests no
one can distinguish between amps, even when tubes are compared to $200
to $15000 amps.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ground loop

[Pat Farrell]

chiefersone wrote:

I'm running my SB3 into an Adcom GTP600 preamp with a 6 zone amplifier
and I enjoy perfectly clear, hum free music.  I attempted a split of
the RCA jacks onthe SB to send a signal downstairs to my basement and
immediately upon plugging in the y RCA spiltter humming exists.  Has
anyone out there spit the RCA jacks without getting hum?  If so tell me
what cables you used please.


You have a ground loop.
Probably you are running  your upstairs amp on a different circuit than 
the downstairs one.


Cables won't fix it.

You could take the toslink output of your SB to one amp, and the RCA to 
another, that will work if you have TOSLINK imput.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Personal Introductions: Please Make This a Sticky!

[chiefersone]

I'm running my SB3 into an Adcom GTP600 preamp with a 6 zone amplifier
and I enjoy perfectly clear, hum free music.  I attempted a split of
the RCA jacks onthe SB to send a signal downstairs to my basement and
immediately upon plugging in the y RCA spiltter humming exists.  Has
anyone out there spit the RCA jacks without getting hum?  If so tell me
what cables you used please.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[opaqueice]

Robin Bowes;170612 Wrote: 
> 
> While I don't entirely disagree with you (I use Rotel RB-850 power
> amps,
> bought s/h from eBay for peanuts), I don't think an article and a
> mailing list thread taken from the Internet constitutes particularly
> reliable evidence.
> 
> My own feeling is that the "sweet spot" where the law of diminishing
> returns kicks in is particularly low down the price/performance curve
> for amplifiers and is particularly shallow after that point (i.e. the
> price increases quickly, the performance doesn't.)
> 
> R.

Well, I'm not in the business of trying to convince anyone, nor do I
care how people spend their money.  Personally I've done my own
experiments with amps, comparing a cheap consumer grade integrated home
theater amp to several highly regarded audiophile grade amps.  There
*may* have been very subtle differences, but as it was difficult to do
a blind test I'm not sure.  At best the differences were very subtle,
and I suspect there were none at all.  Furthermore (as can been seen in
the review above) a $200 amp measures as well or better than far more
expensive units.  Finally, numerous sources (yes, on the internet, but
including John Atkinson among others) indicate that in blind tests no
one can distinguish between amps, even when tubes are compared to $200
to $15000 amps.

My conclusion?  Amplification has been solved.  All amps sound the
same, so long as they have sufficient power for the job, a flat
response, and low distortion.  The point of diminishing returns in
achieving that is around $200 for a two-channel amp.  I think the same
probably goes for digital sources - that they're all the same -
although I've seen less data and my own investigations were more
limited.  

In contrast, speakers and rooms and location within the room and DRC
and equalization all make huge and clearly audible differences, so
that's where I focus money and attention.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[empty99]

P Floding;170434 Wrote: 
> I see you use an Alps pot as an attenuator. That should be easy enough
> to rig up and try out.. Do you use it on the amp side or DAC side of
> the interconnect?
> 
> How does running SB3 directly into the pot sound compared to using the
> MF?
> 
> Rgds

actually 1/2 way between the two: RCA outs from DAC->16" coax
RG6->soldered to 50Kohm "Blackwidow" metal body Alps pot->16" coax
RG6->75Kohms inputs of amps. The Alps L/R level tracking is superb, no
complain from me at any settings.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter analog output

[mr_bill]

Kiep;170562 Wrote: 
> I still think having the attenuators built-in on the Transporter  would
> be beneficial. 
> Benchmark does it for their DAC1 and I think they got it right:
> consumer level RCA output and XLR output with attenuators at 0, -10,
> -20, -30. 
> 
> I realize this is not very easy to change but it would:
> 1. allow to maintain full resolution of the dac
> 2. solve the problem for consumer preamps with balanced capability 
> 3. maintain flexibility for pro market
> 
> The symptoms of excessive gain are not just limited to volume control.
> Depending on preamp design this may appear as channel imbalance, rolled
> off high frequency/too much bass, lack of speed, poor transient
> response.
> 
> From the user point of view this is an issue that may not be obvious
> but it will make the device  perform worse than what it is actually
> capable of. As a manufacturer I would probably try to avoid it.
> I have Bryston BP26 and when I borrowed the Transporter it did not
> sound anywhere close to what I remember hearing with Simaudio P-8.
> Simaudio can handle 4V rms signal, Bryston says it can too (up to 15V
> pkpk) but they don't recommend it because it will not sound good.
> Different preamps I know but the difference was on a different level. I
> would expect similar outcome with other brands.
> 
> Food for thought.

Kiep,
What was the difference between the SimAudio P8 and the Brysston BP26
with the Transporter?
Thanks,
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[totoro]

Robin Bowes;170612 Wrote: 
> opaqueice wrote:
> > Pat Farrell;170266 Wrote: 
> >> And you call yourself an audiophile?
> >> Such  * *heresy.
> >>
> > 
> > It's kind of fun, being a heretic... here are two (of an infinite
> > number available) pieces of actual  evidence (!!) to support my
> > heresy:
> > 
> > http://www.matrixhifi.com/contenedor_ppec_eng.htm
> > 
> >
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/664b8681ab141263/3fd91bcb6a1522a0?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dsunshine%2Bstereo%2Byamaha%2Babx%2Bnousaine%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D501fl6%2524ac3%2540oxy.rust.net%26rnum%3D1#3fd91bcb6a1522a0
> 
> While I don't entirely disagree with you (I use Rotel RB-850 power
> amps,
> bought s/h from eBay for peanuts), I don't think an article and a
> mailing list thread taken from the Internet constitutes particularly
> reliable evidence.
> 
> My own feeling is that the "sweet spot" where the law of diminishing
> returns kicks in is particularly low down the price/performance curve
> for amplifiers and is particularly shallow after that point (i.e. the
> price increases quickly, the performance doesn't.)
> 
> R.

I tried to stick to used 100w amps that were 1-2k new, have a solid
track record in the field, etc. 

I'd put my personal cutoff of where value for money drops off in that
range new (since I like some power for headroom). The advent of good
class d amps is going to lower this for me to something like 1k-1.5 or
less soon, I'd guess.

YMMV, of course.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best Ethernet Cable

[DLloyd]

Actually, whether you are using wireless G or Ethernet, the music from
your Slimserver to your Squeezebox/Transporter is data over a TCP/IP
network, not an audio signal as such. (Just like VOIP, but much better
quality).


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[totoro]

giga;170385 Wrote: 
> What about using a preamp or an external DAC, would that solve the
> funky-bit problem ? Also, the only attenuators I found (eBay) are fixed
> attenuation:
> 
> http://electronics.search.ebay.com/attenuator_Home-Audio_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQsacatZ14969
> 
> is there something with variable attenuation?
> 
> THANKS!

I have endler attenuators. They're a little home-made looking (ok, a
lot:)), and a little expensive for what they are ($65 a pair, I think),
but they do the trick.

If you search through threads here and on google, you'll find them
fairly easily.

I don't miss my old preamp at all. It's true that I've lost some
flexibility, but I don't see going back to any non-computer-based setup
any time soon, so it really doesn't bother me.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter and digital signal processing loop

[Pat Farrell]

P Floding wrote:

If anything is in the works it is sure to be a full net enabled
A/V-whatchamacallit with the works. Perhaps with high-end ambitions not
that they have a division with some (resent) kudos?


True audiophiles don't have televisions in the serious music listening room.

It is interesting that while there is a lot of overlap, the buff books 
have completely split into sound (TAS, Stereophile) and video (The 
Perfect Vision, etc.) as there is very little overlap in tastes and 
advertisers.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless Downloads

[Olav Sunde]

Look at this link: http://www.linnrecords.com/ Seems Linn is even 
offering their 24bit masters for download!


Jitterbug wrote:

I'm wondering what download stores are selling music in lossless
formats, ideally without DRM. I came across musicgiants.com but its
selection is pretty limited. Have any of the big vendors started this
yet? It's a nonsense to me to pay for lossy downloads.




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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

jhm731;170589 Wrote: 
> Are you using a stock DAC card in your 2.2X?
> 
> BTW- the real power of the 2.2X comes from using it for biamping with
> dual corner loaded subs.

Yes, I do use the stock DAC (two of them, one for the sub). Perhaps
this is where the weakness lays.

Of course, a TacT with replacement power supply (which I have),
replacement D/A, etc, is not a stock TacT any more.

OTOH I'm throughly fed up with SPDIF. I feel the SB3/Transporter
approach is the only correct one (apart from other schemes that clock
in data using the D/A's clock).


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[Robin Bowes]

opaqueice wrote:
> Pat Farrell;170266 Wrote: 
>> And you call yourself an audiophile?
>> Such  * *heresy.
>>
> 
> It's kind of fun, being a heretic... here are two (of an infinite
> number available) pieces of actual  evidence (!!) to support my
> heresy:
> 
> http://www.matrixhifi.com/contenedor_ppec_eng.htm
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/browse_frm/thread/664b8681ab141263/3fd91bcb6a1522a0?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dsunshine%2Bstereo%2Byamaha%2Babx%2Bnousaine%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D501fl6%2524ac3%2540oxy.rust.net%26rnum%3D1#3fd91bcb6a1522a0

While I don't entirely disagree with you (I use Rotel RB-850 power amps,
bought s/h from eBay for peanuts), I don't think an article and a
mailing list thread taken from the Internet constitutes particularly
reliable evidence.

My own feeling is that the "sweet spot" where the law of diminishing
returns kicks in is particularly low down the price/performance curve
for amplifiers and is particularly shallow after that point (i.e. the
price increases quickly, the performance doesn't.)

R.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter and digital signal processing loop

[P Floding]

Pat Farrell;170604 Wrote: 
> Phil Leigh wrote:
> > seanadams Wrote: 
> >> That is not true. There is just no news since I last commented on
> this.
> > 
> > Sean - it would be great if this could be implemented (no pressure
> old
> > chap!). I think there is a small - but loyal - band of SB/TP fans
> who
> > would really appreciate this feature if it were possible.
> 
> I agree that it would be a cool hack.
> 
> Like all smart companies, Slim has never talked about future products,
> 
> and I am sure that Logitech has even more incentive to keep its mouth
> shut.
> 
> -- 
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Unfortunately I'm pretty sure Logitech has other plans than satisfying
a very small set of purists...

If anything is in the works it is sure to be a full net enabled
A/V-whatchamacallit with the works. Perhaps with high-end ambitions not
that they have a division with some (resent) kudos?

That's my guess, anyway.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: new Avi 'Active' speakers.. perfect?

[Michael16oz]

Hi

I came out of the conversation thinking they would be £1000 however
I may have made a tenuous inference (or just made it up)..

Really like to see the sub as well.. Outside of studios I've never
heard a sub integrated in a way that is acceptable for all types of
music...

regards

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter and digital signal processing loop

[Pat Farrell]

Phil Leigh wrote:
seanadams Wrote: 

That is not true. There is just no news since I last commented on this.


Sean - it would be great if this could be implemented (no pressure old
chap!). I think there is a small - but loyal - band of SB/TP fans who
would really appreciate this feature if it were possible.


I agree that it would be a cool hack.

Like all smart companies, Slim has never talked about future products, 
and I am sure that Logitech has even more incentive to keep its mouth shut.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: on the audibility of phase differences

[opaqueice]

Robin Bowes;170578 Wrote: 
> 
> I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Is "commensurate" the
> word
> you really meant to use?
> 
> Can you clarify please?
> 
> R.

By commensurate I mean related by an integer or simple rational number,
as totoro correctly says.  To be specific, I tried this with 200 and 400
Hz, with 200 and 300, and with 200 and 341.  With the first two phase
differences were clearly audible, with the last, not.  I think I
understand why this is the case, at least up to a point.  If the
frequencies are commensurate it means the waveform will be periodic,
and different relative phases will give you very different periodic
waveforms.  A trivial example is if the two waveforms have the same
frequency - they if they are in phase they add, but if they are out of
phase they cancel completely, which is clearly audible :-).

On the other hand if the frequencies are incommensurate the waveform is
not periodic, but rather what's called quasiperiodic or almost periodic,
and different relative phases don't change the waveform much
qualitatively (this is easy to see by eye).  So it's pretty clear that
for incommensurate frequencies the relative phase can't matter.  The
only exception to this I can see is when the frequencies are very close
together, so that you hear beating - in that case the phase of the beats
is determined by the relative phase, which you may consider an audible
effect (for example if the tone lasts for a time not much longer than
the period of the beats).

For real music I'm skeptical this will matter.  Still, it would be
interesting to play with real tones that are pretty pure.  I may try
recording my trumpet and then feeding it through an all-pass crossover
to see if it makes a difference.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter and digital signal processing loop

[Phil Leigh]

seanadams;170587 Wrote: 
> That is not true. There is just no news since I last commented on this.

Sean - it would be great if this could be implemented (no pressure old
chap!). I think there is a small - but loyal - band of SB/TP fans who
would really appreciate this feature if it were possible.
Regards
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[jhm731]

Are you using a stock DAC card in your 2.2X?

BTW- the real power of the 2.2X comes from using it for biamping with
dual corner loaded subs.




P Floding;170331 Wrote: 
> I've done a system shakeup, and can report on some findings:
> 
> 1. The TacT RCS is getting a rest. Room correction is nice, and can get
> you closer to a feeling of being there. However I feel my RCS 2.2x robs
> the music of dynamics (PRAT, if you wish).
> 
> 2. The SB3's analogue outputs now goes straight into the power amp.
> Much more PRAT than the TacT. (However, I run the SB3 on battery -so it
> is not stock.)
> 
> 3. My more expensive Krell FPB-200 has been retired in favour of my
> much older Krell KSA-50S. I discovered that the KSA-50S sounds a lot
> better than the FPB-200 with my current speakers!
> 
> 4. My temporary arrangement for SB3 battery supply has been replaced
> with a nicer DIY "control box" which charges one unused battery while
> the other is being used. The batteries hang off an umbilical, and the
> control box has a local 1 Farad supercap before the regulator (which
> has its own caps). The battery are regulated down from 6.4 volts to
> 5.18 volts. Swithover is still manual (for now), but the simple throw
> of a switch swaps charging and listening batteries. (And the charging
> circuit is totally disconnected from the listening circuit, including
> neutral.)
> 
> At the moment the sound is scarily good. Unnaturally so... ;-)
> Compliments to Slimdevices for making the humble SB3 so competent (if
> the SMPS is junked).
> 
> Ideas for the future:
> 
> Get Transporter and use directly into the power amp. Route A/V and
> other secondary stuff via the TacT (for A/D) and then via Toslink to
> the Transporter. Use SB3 into TacT to play around with room correction
> (which in turn uses Transporter for D/A).


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter and digital signal processing loop

[seanadams]

lafayette;169397 Wrote: 
> I asked this very question of tech support.  They said it was impossible
> because the Transporter lacks sufficient memory for the additional
> process -- or something like that.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: on the audibility of phase differences

[Phil Leigh]

I know - life can be cruel sometimes :o)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: on the audibility of phase differences

[totoro]

Phil Leigh;170584 Wrote: 
> Robin, I think Mr. Ice meant "related"...I got the idea...the problem is
> that apart from sine waves there's isn't much real music that behaves
> like this...equal temprament/Fourier and all that - all very complex!
> 
> I agree that if you intermodulate two harmonically related frequencies
> you can easily hear the phase reversal difference of one of them. The
> question is - "how often does this actually occur in real music"?
> I still think that trying to preserve phase coherency across the
> spectrum is "a good idea".

As far as I can see, you agree with him completely, at least wrt the
contents of his last post :)

Mr Ice
But since all instruments produce harmonics, I wonder whether this
might be audible for more realistic sounds. If so, maybe there is
something to this idea of using fancy digital 
crossovers...
You
The question is - "how often does this actually occur in real music"?

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: on the audibility of phase differences

[Phil Leigh]

Robin, I think Mr. Ice meant "related"...I got the idea...the problem is
that apart from sine waves there's isn't much real music that behaves
like this...equal temprament/Fourier and all that - all very complex!

I agree that if you intermodulate two harmonically related frequencies
you can easily hear the phase reversal difference of one of them. The
question is - "how often does this actually occur in real music"?
I still think that trying to preserve phase coherency across the
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: on the audibility of phase differences

[totoro]

I _think_ it was, although I might be putting words in his mouth. My
reading of it was that "commensurate" meant that the two frequencies
were related by one of the standard harmonic ratios (ie, if one
frequency is equal to some power of 2 times the other, it's in an
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: on the audibility of phase differences

[Robin Bowes]

opaqueice wrote:
> OK, in case anyone cares, relative phase is quite easily audible in some
> test signals, but not in others (I've just been playing with Audacity). 
> If you combine two tones with commensurate frequencies - for example 200
> and 400 Hz pure tones - it's very easy to hear the difference as you
> change the phase of the 400 Hz tone.  The pitch sounds slightly
> different.
> 
> On the other hand if the frequencies are incommensurate (as an example
> I tried 200 and 341) you can't hear the phase.  It's clear why - these
> tones sound constant, so there's no way phase could matter for
> incommensurate frequencies that are far apart.
> 
> But since all instruments produce harmonics, I wonder whether this
> might be audible for more realistic sounds.  If so, maybe there is
> something to this idea of using fancy digital crossovers...

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Is "commensurate" the word
you really meant to use?

Can you clarify please?

R.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Derek the DAC man - h1

[adamslim]

mikeruss;170462 Wrote: 
> All there cables in the range have the same name!!
> 
> this is the baby
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130068132122&rd=1&rd=1

I'm sure it'll be fine, but I'll be spending a tenner at
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter analog output

[Kiep]

I still think having the attenuators built-in on the Transporter  would
be beneficial. 
Benchmark does it for their DAC1 and I think they got it right:
consumer level RCA output and XLR output with attenuators at 0, -10,
-20, -30. 

I realize this is not very easy to change but it would:
1. allow to maintain full resolution of the dac
2. solve the problem for consumers
3. maintain flexibility for pro market


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[Phil Leigh]

P Floding;170553 Wrote: 
> Oh, I didn't mean to comment on your acronyms! I just meant I didn't put
> in all the usual caveats in the OP. Anyway, I'm not that humble, as I
> believe in what I hear... It's just a standard phrase.. ;-)

I know - only a joke - stay cool PF!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Need to brighten sound of new SB3 --> Transporter or DAC?

[jan van mourik]

It depends heavily on what you want to use it for too, what your preferences
are. Maybe the Porsche is faster around the race track, and if that's your
definition of better, it wins. But maybe in the "value-for-money" category
the Mazda wins...
Anyway, I like the Pontiac Solstice better than the mx5, qua looks for
sure... :-)


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It is unreasonable to demand that manufacturers can prove
(substantiate) subjective claims. Just like no-one can really say why a
Porsche is better than an MX-5 (if we pretend they have the same 0-60
times and top speed for the sake of the argument).

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: new Avi 'Active' speakers.. perfect?

[magnanimous]

You may be correct about the cost, was pure speculation on my part.

I've spoken to Ashley from AVI on the phone before and he's very
passionate about his products.  I seem to remember he was running for a
train when I phoned but that didn't stop the call lasting over 30 mins. 
I take it he didn't give any indication of cost?

Will be interesting to see them when they come out as I've toyed with
the active Neutrons to go along with my SB3 in my office.

Cheers

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

Phil Leigh;170550 Wrote: 
> sorry about all the acronyms - but I didn't start it! :o)

Oh, I didn't mean to comment on your acronyms! I just meant I didn't
put in all the usual caveats in the OP. Anyway, I'm not that humble, as
I believe in what I hear... It's just a standard phrase.. ;-)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[Phil Leigh]

P Floding;170546 Wrote: 
> YMMV, IMHO, etc, etc.. ;-)
> 
> Actually, I hope to test using the TacT in the digital domain to see
> how it will perform. Unfortunately perfection (even in bypass mode) is
> not guaranteed, as the RCS uses an ASRC on the input. (Not to mention
> the two SPDIFs needed to get data in and out of the RCS..)


sorry about all the acronyms - but I didn't start it! :o)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

Phil Leigh;170528 Wrote: 
> No lack of PRaT here with the RCS...(digital only though - IMHO PRaT
> should NOT be affected in the digital domain if all is working properly
> - it is an analogue/transition phenomena!) - anyway, whatever floats
> your boat!

YMMV, IMHO, etc, etc.. ;-)

Actually, I hope to test using the TacT in the digital domain to see
how it will perform. Unfortunately perfection (even in bypass mode) is
not guaranteed, as the RCS uses an ASRC on the input. (Not to mention
the two SPDIFs needed to get data in and out of the RCS..)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: new Avi 'Active' speakers.. perfect?

[Michael16oz]

Hi

I think the AVI speakers would have to retail higher than 600 (the
quote on the website reads to me like 1500 minus mac mini costs)..

They look like they are pitched higher in quality than the Neutron IV
but with the addition of active crossovers (the way to go) and 4 drive
specific amplifiers... also DA from USB and a Remote and basic
Pre-amp..

I spoke to the guy on the phone and they (admitatly biased) sound
massively excited about the sound quality... He also explained to me
why USB is far superior (within his application) to toslink..

regards

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[Phil Leigh]

No lack of PRaT here with the RCS...(digital only though - IMHO PRaT
should NOT be affected in the digital domain if all is working properly
- it is an analogue/transition phenomena!) - anyway, whatever floats
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Derek the DAC man - h1

[jan van mourik]

DUH, not too smart of me! After you told me I read a bit more on Ebay and
noticed this line:
"More Photo / Details / Comments in Hi Fi Forums – *search "Derek DAC" on
yahoo or google*, or click to
*here*for testimonials
or*  www.**sigtone**.**net"
*
:-)

On 1/14/07, mikeruss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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here yah go

http://www.sigtone.net/


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

tomjtx;170460 Wrote: 
> P , I think you have discovered a secret that hi-end dealers love:
> The brain is attracted to change.
> We get used to a system ,put in a new/old component and find that
> "better" or more interesting. As long as the gear is in the same
> ballpark in quality.
> 
> This happens to me with guitars as well as audio.
> I don't see it as a downside, it makes upgrading a whole lot cheaper
> :-)

I know what you mean. However, I plan to put the TacT back in as a
straight DAC/Preamp and see what it sounds like.

A second system is useful as a reality-check too! My T-amp system does
some things incredibly well. (Annoyingly well..)


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

adamslim;170449 Wrote: 
> Sounds like you're having fun!  My comments:
> 
> I have heard Lyngdorf RCS and digital amps, and found them singularly
> unmusical - PRaT-free, if you like!  Clarity and detail, sure, but that
> doesn't really do it for me.  All my personal opinion - others love
> them, I know.
> 
> Krell have been going backwards for some years - the little(ish) KSAs
> were one of the last good ones, IMO.  Bet you're glad you kept them! 
> Although I agree with the earlier poster re contacts etc - it may be
> worth getting them checked over, it may help further.  That is,
> assuming you can bear to be without them!
> 
> Keep us posted :)
> 
> Adam

The KSA-50S did service in my second system, before I replaced it with
a T-amp (to cut down on heat generated). The reason for the FPB-200 was
really to drive large electrostatic speakers, which I don't have any
more.

I think the earlier comment above about contacs was due to me being
known to obsess about contacts. ;-)  But why not, if the whole sound of
the system can change due to a little fiddling? Much cheaper than buing
new stuff all the time!

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Derek the DAC man - h1

[mikeruss]

All there cables in the range have the same name!!

this is the baby

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130068132122&rd=1&rd=1


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[tomjtx]

P , I think you have discovered a secret that hi-end dealers love:
The brain is attracted to change.
We get used to a system ,put in a new/old component and find that
"better" or more interesting. As long as the gear is in the same
ballpark in quality.

This happens to me with guitars as well as audio.
I don't see it as a downside, it makes upgrading a whole lot cheaper
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Derek the DAC man - h1

[adamslim]

mikeruss;170290 Wrote: 
> Agreed - very helpful.
> 
> What cable do you use?
> 
> I was thinking about the Wireworld Starlight 5. Wins most awards in
> Hi-Fi Choice etc etc.

That appears to be an HDMI cable (and more expensive than the DAC!). 
Not a good choice ;)

I'm using a very fat and probably not very good Ixos.  I'll change it
for a Blue Jeans cable soon.  My policy on digital cables is to spend a
small amount on a well-constructed and terminated cable; the differences
between 'good enough' cables is vanishingly small, compared to other
products.

Unlike other cables - my new Anti-cables have wiped the floor with my
old Nordosts, and cost far less.  I'm happy I got the Nordosts free
now, they're headed to ebay!!!

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[adamslim]

Sounds like you're having fun!  My comments:

I have heard Lyngdorf RCS and digital amps, and found them singularly
unmusical - PRaT-free, if you like!  Clarity and detail, sure, but that
doesn't really do it for me.  All my personal opinion - others love
them, I know.

Krell have been going backwards for some years - the little(ish) KSAs
were one of the last good ones, IMO.  Bet you're glad you kept them! 
Although I agree with the earlier poster re contacts etc - it may be
worth getting them checked over, it may help further.  That is,
assuming you can bear to be without them!

Keep us posted :)

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[Mark Lanctot]

totoro;170298 Wrote: 
> If you haven't looked at that sixmoons link I posted, you might get a
> laugh or two out of it.

Further fun at http://marigoaudio.com/vtstuningdots.htm and
particularly http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html

I've read that last link about 3 times and it still sounds like the
rantings from a crazy person.  Really - take a look at their latest
product,
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/Black_Cream/PWB_Special_Black_Cream.htm


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless Downloads

[adamslim]

mikeruss;170320 Wrote: 
> I'm not sue if this is true, I have never tied but if you search for
> band name or song then *.flac on this site http://thepiratebay.org/
> some say there is music there.

Yes, that's called piracy.  The clue's in the name ;)

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Need to brighten sound of new SB3 --> Transporter or DAC?

[tomjtx]

You might want to consider the LavryDAC10. Many people prefer it over
the Benchmark.

They are both so good it is probably a matter of preference so a listen
to both could be worthwhile.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Thoughts on DEQX PDC-2.6P and Bi-amping

[opaqueice]

Mike Anderson;170364 Wrote: 
> Well it's true that you can delay one channel versus another using the
> Behringer unit, but if I understand correctly, when EQ is applied to do
> the room correction, it can cause phase changes even within a channel. 
> Part of the idea of the DEQX is that it is supposed to give you EQ
> *and* coherent phase correction at all frequencies.

Totoro was saying he thought you could apply a frequency dependent time
delay with the 2496, which would allow coherent phase to be restored. 
However I don't have the unit and haven't looked at the manual so I
don't know.

On the amps, I think you actually have less to worry about once you
bi-amp than you did with a single amp - whole point of bi-amped active
crossovers is that the amps have a much easier load to drive, so the
response should be more linear (so if they're matched at one frequency,
they should be matched at all).  Just be careful not to turn them up too
high, as you'll have lots more juice avaialable this way and could
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless Downloads

[Mark Lanctot]

tomjtx;170243 Wrote: 
> BTW, why do they need to drm lossy 128kbps files anway?

99.5% of consumers would ask "what is lossless, why's it bigger and why
do I need it?  128 kbps is perfect already - it's CD-quality, isn't it? 
DRM?  What's that?  I can play it on my iPod and on my PC in iTunes,
what the problem?"

Unfortunately we're stuck with a crappy situation and most people don't
even know it.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

mglaudiolabs;170410 Wrote: 
> Indeed even the stock SB3 sounds amazingly good. But I'd add an analog
> volume attenuator to safeguard your speakers...

I'll think about it!
Luckily, when playing at bearable volumes, I'm almost maxing out the
SB3's volume control as it is. I have only 5 dB of attenuation dialled
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

empty99;170368 Wrote: 
> You are now free, free of nicotine, free of odor, free of strange
> aftertaste. Silence, beautiful silence from the deep dark 200dB S/N (or
> more) of zero preamp noises. I got rid of the curse since 1989 and
> haven't look back since.
> SB3->MF A3.24->50Kohm Alps pot->2 Nak PA7s->B&W N802->Nice!

I see you use an Alps pot as an attenuator. That should be easy enough
to rig up and try out.. Do you use it on the amp side or DAC side of
the interconnect?

How does running SB3 directly into the pot sound compared to using the
MF?

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[P Floding]

jan van mourik;170342 Wrote: 
> >> retired in favour of my much older Krell KSA-50S
> Hey P, did you make sure to clean the contacts of that old amp? ;-)
> 
> Seriously though, that's something I still want to try, run my SB2
> straight
> into the power amp. I guess you're not afraid of the "noise of death"
> or
> whatever they call it?
> 
> jan

The process of inserting the RCA's was enough, this time. However, see
my findings about SST on the power connector...

I'm afraid of the "noise of death". I'll be very reluctant to upgrade
the software and firmware from now on. I would cry my eyes out
(metaphorically) if my speakers blew, as I don't think spare parts are
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lossless Downloads

[Nikhil]

Linn records has some excellent recordings available as windows media
lossless files without DRM. A lot of their releases are available at CD
quality and some at even higher bitrates and sample rates than CD.

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: AppleTV

[mikerob]

Robin Bowes;169133 Wrote: 
> tomjtx wrote:
> [color=blue]
> 
> 
> Max seems to be able to do it:
> 
> http://sbooth.org/Max/
> 
> 
> 
> R.

re: Max - I played around with it a few months ago and found that a
number of tags were lost when converting from ALAC to FLAC.  

>From memory, I think the ALAC composer, comment and year tags were not
mapped to FLAC equivalents.

I raised a bug report with the developer at the time but haven't
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: System shakeup -SB3 on the throne

[mglaudiolabs]

Indeed even the stock SB3 sounds amazingly good. But I'd add an analog
volume attenuator to safeguard your speakers...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[giga]

JJZolx;170375 Wrote: 
> The Squeezebox has a nasty habit of loosing its mind every now and again
> and putting out a shrill bit of random noise at maximum volume.  When
> that happens, you chance blowing something in the playback chain -
> mostly likely a speaker driver - if you've connected the SB directly
> into a power amp.
> 

What about using a preamp or an external DAC, would that solve the
funky-bit problem ? Also, the only attenuators I found (eBay) are fixed
attenuation:

http://electronics.search.ebay.com/attenuator_Home-Audio_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQsacatZ14969

is there something with variable attenuation?

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Need to brighten sound of new SB3 --> Transporter or DAC?

[JJZolx]

desertrat58;170371 Wrote: 
> My thoughts exactly. I have a Bryston BP25MC preamp. At this point, upon
> further online perusal, I am currently sold on the Benchmark DAC1.

It's funny... I was considering a Benchmark DAC1 as a possible upgrade
to a Channel Islands Audio VDA-1/VAC-1 in my second system.  If I
thought that in any way it would increase the brightness of this
system, I wouldn't even consider it.  More detail, yes, I'd expect
that.  A more liquid sound, yes.  Lower, tighter bass, possibly.  But
the tizzy, etched highs of a typically "bright" component?  No, I
wouldn't expect that at all from a good modern DAC.

If you like the sound of some old DACs, why not try a DAC of the same
era?  In my experience, most inexpensive to moderately priced DACs from
more than ten years ago were impossibly bright and nasty.  So instead of
spending $1000 on something new, try spending $200 on some circa 1995
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[JJZolx]

giga;170374 Wrote: 
> So what's your opinion... can I really go from SB3 to Power Amp w/o a
> preamp, just by using attenuator? Somebody in the forum advised me to
> do so and use volume control on SB3. Did you guys try it? Is it good &
> safe to do so? Moreover, what's an attenuator? (I am considering
> starting a new thread for this...)

The Squeezebox has a nasty habit of loosing its mind every now and
again and putting out a shrill bit of random noise at maximum volume. 
When that happens, you chance blowing something in the playback chain -
mostly likely a speaker driver - if you've connected the SB directly
into a power amp.

An attenuator is a volume reduction device.  You'd use them (one on
each channel) based on the maximum output level of the SB and the gain
of your amplifier.  You'd want to adjust things so that at maximum
volume the Squeezebox wouldn't be able to melt your speakers into
little puddles of molten metal.

Or, just get an integrated amplifier.  It's simpler, and it's more
versatile - like having multiple inputs should you decide to connect a
tuner, a CD player, a DVD player, or an iPod to your stereo system.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + Vandersteen 2Ce - NEED AMP!!!

[giga]

So what's your opinion... can I really go from SB3 to Power Amp w/o a
preamp, just by using attenuator? Somebody in the forum advised me to
do so and use volume control on SB3. Did you guys try it? Is it good &
safe to do so? Moreover, what's an attenuator? (I am considering
starting a new thread for this...)


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