Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:BEST classical music review site
Sorry, here's the correct link to Alex Ross's blog: http://www.therestisnoise.com/ -- gordon gordon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:BEST classical music review site
I find the New Yorker's classical music reviewer, Alex Ross, to be quite interesting and knowledgable. He's had a big influence on my CD collection and listening habits. Here's the New Yorker's web site: http://www.newyorker.com/arts He also has a blog that is quite interesting: http://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/05/what_is_this.html -Gordon -- gordon gordon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Nuforce monobloks
Anyone using a tubed amplifier with their Transporter? -- Highlander Highlander's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33327 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
opaqueice;188187 Wrote: > With some experience it starts to get easier to know when you can trust > your perception and when not. Gee, you mean you don't always need A/B testing??? You're starting to sound just like me 8-} . . . Maybe now you'll believing me . . . ---Gary -- GaryB GaryB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC -> WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
kphinney;188206 Wrote: > Perhaps the Mac does something bad, but with Apple's anal attention to > detail I thought that their proprietary ALAC would sound at least as > good as WAV. Especially when using their own software. I'll post when > I get a chance to stream to the SB3. I'm hoping that ALAC and WAV sound > the same since "Apple Lossless" appears to save 1/2 the space. > > The player program I used was iTunes and the transcoders are iTunes, > xACT, and Max. If it's lossless you don't have to "hope" anything. Just transcode from WAV to ALAC and back to WAV and compare the source WAV and the resulting WAV. They should be identical. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
sonofcolin;188186 Wrote: > What I love about this review is that in the summary every category gets > 5/5 except one (7 categories) and then at the end the value (taking into > account all the previous scores) is 3.5? Someone can't do math! While those scales are all a bit arbitrary, I think it's perfectly understandable...and I wonder if this might be a case of a bit of cross-pond misunderstanding. When the reviewer speaks of "value" here it's what the Brits call "value for money" -- and this reviewer seems to think that the transporter's price is not especially low. It's hard to really evaluate value, though, when there are no direct competitors (except perhaps the sb3 itself). -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC -> WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
P Floding;188201 Wrote: > OK > Perhaps the MAC does something bad when decoding ALAC? > I know nothing about MACs, but since you don't mention any spcific > application I assume you are using something that comes with the > computer? Perhaps the Mac does something bad, but with Apple's anal attention to detail I thought that their proprietary ALAC would sound at least as good as WAV. Especially when using their own software. I'll post when I get a chance to stream to the SB3. I'm hoping that ALAC and WAV sound the same since "Apple Lossless" appears to save 1/2 the space. The player program I used was iTunes and the transcoders are iTunes, xACT, and Max. -- kphinney SB3 -> Marantz ZR6001 -> B&W DM602's (considering a Tube DAC) kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC -> WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
kphinney;188196 Wrote: > I know it was a long post and it may seem hidden in the text but I did > state "WAV sounded a lot better than ALAC using only headphones out > from my Mac. " Perhaps if you quantify what context you feel would be > useful I could attempt a more well rounded answer. > > > Right. Thanks for reaffirming that. > > > > I feel that I am misunderstanding your question. I mentioned that I am > not using the SB at this time, but I'll be sure to look into it when I > can access it. In the meantime if anyone could field my hypothetical > question I'd appreciate it: > > Best Regards. OK Perhaps the MAC does something bad when decoding ALAC? I know nothing about MACs, but since you don't mention any spcific application I assume you are using something that comes with the computer? -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records Studio Masters on Tp & SB3
Josh Coalson;187979 Wrote: > I *hope* that's not the reason Linn went with WMAL instead of FLAC! are > the tracks DRMed? > > anyway I am considering using one of the reserved codes (there are 3 > left) in the frame header for 88.2KHz and letting it be in the subset. > as far as FLAC is concerned the sample rate makes no difference to > anything, it's just a number. the constrained set is mainly a > concession to hardware makers to not have to support every oddball rate > to be subset compliant. also in 1999, I didn't really know how things > would shake out with regards to what rates would be common. > > Josh Tracks are not DRM'd. -- Digital Audiophile Digital Audiophile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32951 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
moshulu;188151 Wrote: > Funny - this very evening I set up a pair of Audioengine 5s. So I can't > help responding, even though I cannot provide the desired comparison. > My new speakers are installed in a tiny kitchen, on top of the > refigerator. They are driven by a Zune - Microsoft's Ipod clone. I > like the sound very much, and the esthetics/workmanship are very high. > Overall, they exceed my expectations, especially considering the price > (alas, the same in euros as the US price in dollars). I only wish the > power switch was in the front. The USB charging port is a nice > feature. > > I sometimes listen to the Zune through Grado SR125 headphones, so I > think that I understand the limitations of the MP3 player and format. > Given this, I would say that the AE5s are very nice bookshelf > amplifier-speakers, but by no stretch of the imagination do they > qualify as audiophile grade. > > Just for yuks, I set the AE5s up in the living room first, next to the > Klipsch RF5s which are driven by my home-built 300B single-ended > monblocks. These are tricked out with lots of "boutique" components > (Black Gates, Jensens, etc.) and get their inputs from an SB3 via a > battery-powered Monica2 DAC. I played the same tunes through the > SB3/Flac and the Zune/MP3. Well...let's just say that the Audioengines > are going to remain on kitchen duty. > > moshulu I thought you might want to make a closer comparison by connecting SB3 and DAC to AE5 and listen to the same flacs... -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC -> WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
P Floding;188195 Wrote: > You say WAV sounds better, but fail to mention on what system and any > other context that might be useful to know. I know it was a long post and it may seem hidden in the text but I did state "WAV sounded a lot better than ALAC using only headphones out from my Mac. " Perhaps if you quantify what context you feel would be useful I could attempt a more well rounded answer. P Floding;188195 Wrote: > > Unless SB3 handles ALAC natively it will be translated to WAV (I > believe) by SS before being sent to the SB. Right. Thanks for reaffirming that. P Floding;188195 Wrote: > > Have you checked that you don't inadvertently convert any of the > formats to compressed (on SlimServer)? I feel that I am misunderstanding your question. I mentioned that I am not using the SB at this time, but I'll be sure to look into it when I can access it. In the meantime if anyone could field my hypothetical question I'd appreciate it: kphinney;188191 Wrote: > Why does WAV sound more crisp when compared to ALAC when played on the > Mac? When I stream ALAC or WAV to my SB3 will I hear a difference > since the SS encodes as WAV for the SB? > Best Regards. -- kphinney SB3 -> Marantz ZR6001 -> B&W DM602's (considering a Tube DAC) kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC -> WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
kphinney;188191 Wrote: > This may be a bit longwinded: > I've read a good portion of the posts regarding FLAC / WAV, etc. > quality, but I feel this may be of particular interest to Mac/iTunes > users, given the transcoding and playing software. > > After reading the posts I took the general consensus of users and stuck > with ALAC as a Mac acceptable FLAC alternative. I also learned that SS > streams WAV to the SB3 (please correct me if I'm mistaken). > > I'm knee deep in re-ripping my CD collection directly into iTunes as > ALAC (Apple Lossless) and converting my FLAC files into ALAC using Max. > My FLAC collection is +200GB so it could be daunting if I had to type a > lot of file names. This evening I found a FLAC compilation that > wouldn't transfer tags over to ALAC (who knows how it was originally > ripped), so out of laziness I converted it to WAV using xACT and then > ALAC using iTunes. > iTunes doesn't automatically delete the old file so I was left with a > .m4a (ALAC) and a .WAV. Well, I listened to them both and was a bit > put off by the big difference: WAV sounded a lot better than ALAC using > only headphones out from my Mac. ALAC doesn't seem all that "Lossless" > - even my wife could hear the difference. > > Naturally, the ALAC is much smaller at 29MB vs. the WAV at 44MB. The > original FLAC was also the smaller 29MB. > > So then I did some other conversions: > FLAC -> AIFF (44.6MB) > FLAC -> WAV (44.6MB) > FLAC -> ALAC (29.4MB) > FLAC -> ALAC ->WAV (44.6MB) > FLAC -> AIFF -> ALAC (29.4MB) > FLAC -> WAV -> ALAC (29.4MB) > FLAC -> WAV -> ALAC -> MP3 @192 (6.1MB) > > Perhaps I've been listening to long and have developed my own bias, but > it seems to me that the WAV files sound better, regardless of whether > they came directly from FLAC (26MB) or from FLAC (26MB) to ALAC (26MB) > to WAV (44MB). > > To sum it up: xACT and Max work very well for re-encoding your FLAC on > a Mac. WAV is almost twice as large and sounds noticeably better. > > My questions: Why does WAV sound more crisp when compared to ALAC? > When I stream ALAC or WAV to my SB3 will I hear a difference since the > SS encodes as WAV for the SB? > > Extra info: I can't use the SB3 for a comparison until tomorrow - > in-laws are in town. I rarely use my Mac as a sound source. I have a > lot of disk space but of course I'd like to save as much as I can. You say WAV sounds better, but fail to mention on what system and any other context that might be useful to know. Unless SB3 handles ALAC natively it will be translated to WAV (I believe) by SS before being sent to the SB. Have you checked that you don't inadvertently convert any of the formats to compressed (on SlimServer)? -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC -> WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
This may be a bit longwinded: I've read a good portion of the posts regarding FLAC / WAV, etc. quality, but I feel this may be of particular interest to Mac/iTunes users, given the transcoding and playing software. After reading the posts I took the general consensus of users and stuck with ALAC as a Mac acceptable FLAC alternative. I also learned that SS streams WAV to the SB3 (please correct me if I'm mistaken). I'm knee deep in re-ripping my CD collection directly into iTunes as ALAC (Apple Lossless) and converting my FLAC files into ALAC using Max. My FLAC collection is +200GB so it could be daunting if I had to type a lot of file names. This evening I found a FLAC compilation that wouldn't transfer tags over to ALAC (who knows how it was originally ripped), so out of laziness I converted it to WAV using xACT and then ALAC using iTunes. iTunes doesn't automatically delete the old file so I was left with a .m4a (ALAC) and a .WAV. Well, I listened to them both and was a bit put off by the big difference: WAV sounded a lot better than ALAC using only headphones out from my Mac. ALAC doesn't seem all that "Lossless" - even my wife could hear the difference. Naturally, the ALAC is much smaller at 29MB vs. the WAV at 44MB. The original FLAC was also the smaller 29MB. So then I did some other conversions: FLAC -> AIFF (44.6MB) FLAC -> WAV (44.6MB) FLAC -> ALAC (29.4MB) FLAC -> ALAC ->WAV (44.6MB) FLAC -> AIFF -> ALAC (29.4MB) FLAC -> WAV -> ALAC (29.4MB) FLAC -> WAV -> ALAC -> MP3 @192 (6.1MB) Perhaps I've been listening to long and have developed my own bias, but it seems to me that the WAV files sound better, regardless of whether they came directly from FLAC (26MB) or from FLAC (26MB) to ALAC (26MB) to WAV (44MB). To sum it up: xACT and Max work very well for re-encoding your FLAC on a Mac. WAV is almost twice as large and sounds noticeably better. My questions: Why does WAV sound more crisp when compared to ALAC? When I stream ALAC or WAV to my SB3 will I hear a difference since the SS encodes as WAV for the SB? Extra info: I can't use the SB3 for a comparison until tomorrow - in-laws are in town. I rarely use my Mac as a sound source. I have a lot of disk space but of course I'd like to save as much as I can. -- kphinney SB3 -> Marantz ZR6001 -> B&W DM602's (considering a Tube DAC) kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
ErikM;188184 Wrote: > Wow! So if I hear a difference its not real? You mean I did hear a > difference, but really I just thought I heard it, so all these years > when I bought better speakers, and electronics,which I thought sounded > better I wasn't really hearing better sound I just thought I was? WOW, > you mean that those first generation CD players which I thought sounded > like S--T really sounded great. Boy do I feel stupid. I think I'll dump > my Proac speakers for a Bose Wave radio You're the one who brought up the comparison to "flat earth theory". This isn't about CD players. This isn't about saying that there's no difference between anything. We're talking about whether or not burn-in makes a difference in cables/electronics. So here's the deal: no one can force anyone to believe something. There are some here who claim to be able to hear certain differences. Others of us (myself included) have been unable to hear such differences. So that leaves us to assess the facts to evaluate the claims being made. Outside of anecdotal claims of being able to hear differences the facts are decidedly *against* those who claim to be able to hear the supposed effects of burn-in (yet there are a host of psychological theories that would explain what burn-in advocates are hearing). So for those of us who remain skeptics, understand where we're coming from. For me, the existence of burn-in effects is about as likely as the existence of UFOs from outer space. Possible? maybe, but highly unlikely, and ultimately unproven despite many claims of sightings. And let's be clear: there are loads of other effects in play. I'll wager that moving any piece of furniture in your listening room even an inch would have more affect on the sound than any possible cable burn-in could. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
ErikM;188184 Wrote: > Wow! So if I hear a difference its not real? You mean I did hear a > difference, but really I just thought I heard it, so all these years > when I bought better speakers, and electronics,which I thought sounded > better I wasn't really hearing better sound I just thought I was? WOW, > you mean that those first generation CD players which I thought sounded > like S--T really sounded great. Boy do I feel stupid. I think I'll dump > my Proac speakers for a Bose Wave radio With some experience it starts to get easier to know when you can trust your perception and when not. If you're actually interested, try a computer based ABX program (like foobar2000 with the ABXY plugin), and see whether you can tell 320 kb/s MP3 from lossless, say. Once you start to recognize how often you can be wrong, and how easy it is to fool yourself into thinking you hear a difference when you don't, you may become a bit better at judging when to trust yourself. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
What I love about this review is that in the summary every category gets 5/5 except one (7 categories) and then at the end the value (taking into account all the previous scores) is 3.5? Someone can't do math! -- sonofcolin sonofcolin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9291 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
Wow! So if I hear a difference its not real? You mean I did hear a difference, but really I just thought I heard it, so all these years when I bought better speakers, and electronics,which I thought sounded better I wasn't really hearing better sound I just thought I was? WOW, you mean that those first generation CD players which I thought sounded like S--T really sounded great. Boy do I feel stupid. I think I'll dump my Proac speakers for a Bose Wave radio opaqueice;188148 Wrote: > Challenging, yeah - like admitting that something you thought you heard > might not be real. Actually, personally I find that pretty easy, but > evidently there are some people that can't admit it even in the face of > overwhelming evidence. Kind of like people that didn't want to admit > that the earth was round, huh? -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB
For Bryston users : Just came over this : http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_4_3/bryston3b5b.html this is an old article, but maybe its still true, I dont know. Seems that maybe an NOS dac would be the way to go for Bryston users, or ? -- Anne Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32740 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
tyler_durden;188171 Wrote: > Why are all the audio reviewers so far out of touch with technology that > they use things like apple lossless and windows media lossless files for > their tests? 99% of the world that isn't magazine reviewers uses flac. As long as they use lossless formatm why would it matter which one? -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Why are all the audio reviewers so far out of touch with technology that they use things like apple lossless and windows media lossless files for their tests? 99% of the world that isn't magazine reviewers uses flac. Methinks they've been polishing their styli too long... TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Nostromo;188117 Wrote: > Anyone here tried to A/B a Squeezebox with a Transporter? I would like > very much to hear the result. Yes I did together with a friend. Both analog there's a huge difference, where the SB sounds very thin and rolled of in the bass and rolled of but still edgy (in lack of better word) in the top. Room and space is much better with the Transporter. To sum it, it's a huge difference. Pairing the SB with a decent DAC (MF X-DACv3), the difference is not that big but the Transporter still is better with a smoother top end and better control. All IMVHO of course. Cheers, /Johan -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
Funny - this very evening I set up a pair of Audioengine 5s. So I can't help responding, even I cannot provide the desired comparison. My new speakers are installed in a tiny kitchen, on top of the refigerator. They are driven by a Zune - Microsoft's Ipod clone. I like the sound very much, and the esthetics/workmanship are very high. Overall, they exceed my expectations, especially considering the price (alas, the same in euros as the US price in dollars). I only wish the power switch was in the front. The USB charging port is a nice feature. I sometimes listen to the Zune through Grado SR125 headphones, so I think that I understand the limitations of the MP3 player and format. Given this, I would say that the AE5s are very nice bookshelf amplifier-speakers, but by no stretch of the imagination do they qualify as audiophile grade. Just for yuks, I set the AE5s up in the living room first, next to the Klipsch RF5s which are driven by my home-built 300B single-ended monblocks. These are tricked out with lots of "boutique" components (Blacks Gates, Jensens, etc.) and get their inputs from an SB3 via a battery-powered Monica2 DAC. I played the same tunes through the SB3/Flac and the Zune/MP3. Well...let's just say that the Audioengines are going to remain on kitchen duty. moshulu -- moshulu moshulu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6811 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
ErikM;188131 Wrote: > Certainly unhooking and rehooking will slightly clean the connections.. > but that would make things sound better asumming that ones contacts are > that dirty or corroded. Of course if you did try what I suggest (maybe > clean the contacts first) and heard a diference what would you do?? > Would you even admit you heard a difference? For some having ones > beliefs challenged can be , well challenging. Challenging, yeah - like admitting that something you thought you heard might not be real. Actually, personally I find that pretty easy, but evidently there are some people that can't admit it even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Kind of like people that didn't want to admit that the earth was round, huh? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sonos with Transporter
I assume you already purchased your XLR cables. However, if not, two six foot runs of Canare L-4E6S Star Quad 4 conductor mic cable and Neutrik XLR connectors for $30.00. Many colors and lengths to choose from. http://www.markertek.com/SearchProduct.asp?item=SC100XXJ&off=120&sort=prod -- yooper yooper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33454 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sonos with Transporter
For any cables I'd suggest that you LISTEN to them. If you are in the USA you can Borrow cables from http://www.fatwyre.com before buying. If you have a good system the differences will be obvious, but don't believe me or anyone else, decide with your own ears. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33454 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
ErikM;188131 Wrote: > Certainly unhooking and rehooking will slightly clean the connections.. > but that would make things sound better asumming that ones contacts are > that dirty or corroded. Of course if you did try what I suggest (maybe > clean the contacts first) and heard a diference what would you do?? > Would you even admit you heard a difference? For some having ones > beliefs challenged can be , well challenging. I don't belong to those who say cable affecting sound is impossible. Not even "burn in". But I think it is incorrect to jump to conclusions as to what exactly has affected the sound. (And I always keep in mind that it is easy to imagin things. Very easy.) -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
Certainly unhooking and rehooking will slightly clean the connections.. but that would make things sound better asumming that ones contacts are that dirty or corroded. Of course if you did try what I suggest (maybe clean the contacts first) and heard a diference what would you do?? Would you even admit you heard a difference? For some having ones beliefs challenged can be , well challenging. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
ErikM;188119 Wrote: > Here's a simple test that anyone can try. ...snip... > What you'll most likley hear is that your system now sounds brighter, > less good, less as it sounded before. This effect will pass in a few > hours to as much a day, and your system will sound as before. The > question, if you hear this phenomenon, is why? I have an idea but > before I present my conclusions maybe one of those who don't believe > material changes effect the sonics of audio electronics will have a go. > Unless one is afraid of finding out the world maybe isn't flat :-) You oughta quit smoking that stuff; clearly it is NOT good for you. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
ErikM;188119 Wrote: > What you'll most likley hear is that your system now sounds brighter, > less good, less as it sounded before. This effect will pass in a few > hours to as much a day, and your system will sound as before. The > question, if you hear this phenomenon, is why? I have an idea but > before I present my conclusions maybe one of those who don't believe > material changes effect the sonics of audio electronics will have a go. > Unless one is afraid of finding out the world maybe isn't flat :-) I remember when I first tried the cable I ended up with, plugged it in and thought ahhh at last a cable that I like in every area of sound repro. Then took note of the guy who sent it to me - he advised plug it in, let it play for a few hours then listen - Why I asked - Just to let it settle into the system you have, was the reply. A few hours later, listened again and it was even betterI don't know how, but I bought it :D and an amazed at how good it sounds each time it goes on :D, .maybe I should get that salesman guy to suggest my car has an extra 500bhp and pay him £400 :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
ErikM;188119 Wrote: > Here's a simple test that anyone can try. It validates what Hagerman is > saying, to an extent. Asumming that one has a decent system and can > hear differences say between speakers ( we can all agree that speakers > sound different)listen to your system for a few minutes. Then remove > the interconnect between say amp preamp or better yet the interconnect > between SB and preamp or CD player and preamp ( you get the idea) now > take that cable and loosely wrap it around your hand doesn't have to be > tight just coil it up,say 4"-6" diameter coils. This test assumes that > the cable in it's normal position is extended to it full lenght between > components. Now uncoil the cable and put it back on the system, and > LISTEN. > > > What you'll most likley hear is that your system now sounds brighter, > less good, less as it sounded before. This effect will pass in a few > hours to as much a day, and your system will sound as before. The > question, if you hear this phenomenon, is why? I have an idea but > before I present my conclusions maybe one of those who don't believe > material changes effect the sonics of audio electronics will have a go. > Unless one is afraid of finding out the world maybe isn't flat :-) Unfortunately, whenever you remove and reattach cables (interconnect or power) you affect the surfaces of the connection. Usually you get an improvement simply by removing and reattaching things. Does your system sound a bit tired? Try removing and reattaching all cables. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
ErikM;188119 Wrote: > > What you'll most likley hear is that your system now sounds brighter, > less good, less as it sounded before. This effect will pass in a few > hours to as much a day, and your system will sound as before. The > question, if you hear this phenomenon, is why? I have an idea but > before I present my conclusions maybe one of those who don't believe > material changes effect the sonics of audio electronics will have a go. > Unless one is afraid of finding out the world maybe isn't flat :-) Could you hear this difference in a blind test? If not, or if you haven't tried it, it means nothing. Please don't take that personally - if I or anyone else tried the same not-blind experiment and heard a difference, it would also mean nothing. Expectations are very powerful. And incidentally, the experiment you describe here has nothing to do with what is normally called cable burn-in, where the cable is left stationary and some electrical signal is sent along it. The effect you're talking about, if it existed, could result from something as simple as improving the electrical contact the cable makes with the amp from detaching and re-attaching it - nothing to do with burn-in. I love this flat-earth thing - it's so deliciously ironic that audio subjectivists see themselves as the scientific rationalists in this debate... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
Here's a simple test that anyone can try. It validates what Hagerman is saying, to an extent. Asumming that one has a decent system and can hear differences say between speakers ( we can all agree that speakers sound different)listen to your system for a few minutes. Then remove the interconnect between say amp preamp or better yet the interconnect between SB and preamp or CD player and preamp ( you get the idea) now take that cable and loosely wrap it around your hand doesn't have to be tight just coil it up,say 4"-6" diameter coils. This test assumes that the cable in it's normal position is extended to it full lenght between components. Now uncoil the cable and put it back on the system, and LISTEN. What you'll most likley hear is that your system now sounds brighter, less good, less as it sounded before. This effect will pass in a few hours to as much a day, and your system will sound as before. The question, if you hear this phenomenon, is why? I have an idea but before I present my conclusions maybe one of those who don't believe material changes effect the sonics of audio electronics will have a go. Unless one is afraid of finding out the world maybe isn't flat :-) -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
> I'd be willing to bet if he A/B'd the Transporter with a Squeezebox that > "despite numerous attempts" he couldn't tell the difference. Anyone here tried to A/B a Squeezebox with a Transporter? I would like very much to hear the result. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 - Disabling power to analgue sections
Could try the attenuation mute tweek :) In the Squeezebox settings, under volume, set the attenuation to 63 if I remember correctly, and see if that makes any difference. Once muted voices sounded more real to me, but the music seemed to lack the bite that I like, so I have it at 9. :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33636 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 - Disabling power to analgue sections
There are are few threads on the subject of the SB3 internal power supplies, but I was wondering if anyone could guide me on how to disable the power to the analogue sections of the SB2 (two). Basically, I want the digital coax out and the screen; everything else can be disabled. I looked at the circuit board and got a bit lost. I.e., no wireless, headphone and DAC. And perhaps no op-amps? Would the best be to remove components rather than to cut traces? Thanks. 5V`2A`--->`Dual`--->`3v3`(IO,`wireless,`logic) |``Switcher``--->`1v2`(CPU`core) | |-->`Linear`reg`--->`3v3`(headphone) | | |-->`Switcher`--->`Multiplier`--->`11VAC`VFD`ef ``|```| ``|```| ``14VDC``|```|->`55VDC`VFD`vdd2 RC`filter<--| | | |>`Linear`reg`--->`9vdc`(op-amps) | |>`Linear`reg`--->`5vdc`(DAC) -- plim plim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33636 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
hi mmg_fan, I just noticed you got MG12, rather than MMGs. So, how do you like them with Yolida? Can you tell there are tubes in the path (as opposed to some SS amp of the similar level)? Is Yolida capable of driving MGs? Back to the topic. Can you, with your equipment, tell the difference between any different brand speaker cables, regardless of broken in or not? K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
AndyC_772;187999 Wrote: > Have you actually read the FAQ? He quite openly admits to having > absolutely no clue what 'break-in' might actually be doing to the > cable, or what the effect (if any) is on its measurable parameters. > Instead he writes a load of fluff like "It is needed to "format" and > clean up or "wash" the materials in the cable". > > This is not something that would be written by an expert. It's > meaningless. > > Even if there were some change going on in the cable, who is to say > it's always advantageous? I'm honestly quite surprised that nobody has > yet suggested that a cable has a finite life after which it should be > replaced. The components in your hi-fi - capacitors, especially - > certainly do have a finite lifetime, during which they're steadily > degrading. > > Sure, unplug a cable, stick it on some useless gadget for a few hours > and put it back. You'll have cleaned some oxide or other crud from the > contacts and given your ears a rest, so I'm not surprised it sounds > slightly better. "Unfortunately, because insulation stores and releases energy, it is also a dielectric. In a cable application, all released energy is distortion. The misnomer break-in is often used to describe the pronounced improvement in performance as the dielectric adapts to a charged state as the cable is used. Whenever a cable does not have a charge on it, it is re-adapting to an uncharged state; it is becoming new again. By maintaining a 72 volt dielectric-bias, far above the voltage of delicate audio signals, the DBS system provides considerably better transparency and dynamics than is possible even from a cable in continuous use. It takes a couple of weeks for the DBS system to reach maximum performance. Since DBS battery packs are attached when Kilimanjaro cables are first terminated, Kilimanjaro will be approaching or at peak performance by the time it is installed in your system. Since there is no load on the two standard hardware-store batteries, they will last for years. A test button and LED allow for occasional verification of battery performance." http://cgi.ebay.com/10-FT-AUDIOQUEST-KILIMANJARO-DBL-BI-WIRE-SPEAKER-CABLE_W0QQitemZ180096477438QQcategoryZ14966QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem All that and more for only $3999.00 Hoo-boy! . -- haunyack RWA SB3 > Bryston BP20 > B&K r200.2 > Vandersteen 3A Signature haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you use WAV or FLAC ? Pros vs Cons.....Please :-)
An answer from a different forum suggested SS just misunderstand AAC(MP4) and ALAC (Apple Lossless) -- Anne Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32999 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
GaryB;188040 Wrote: > TD, > You do have a way of creating a strawman and then knocking it down. I > recommended Hagerman's site because he admits he doesn't know why > burn-in works scientifically but does offer his own empirical findings. > He also has built some relatively affordable burn-in accelerators and > they seem to sell well. I find this market acceptance an indicator of > reasonable value given his very low key approach to advertising and his > willingness to share openly his engineering. > What empirical findings? I don't see anything on that page other than some gibberish about materials and a whole bunch of unsubstantiated claims. All this from a guy that makes his living *selling a burn-in product*. At least the tobacco industry studies showing smoking is good for you presented some fraudulent pseudo-scientific data - this guy hasn't even bothered to go that far. It never ceases to amaze me that some audiophiles regard the opinions of untrained people, people with a direct financial interest in the subject, as more credible than those of disinterested professional scientists that do full-time research on it. It's as if there's some vast conspiracy of scientists working feverishly to hide the truth about great audio, while a few brave Promethean dealers selling $1000 wires forge ahead expanding the frontiers of human knowledge -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
tyler_durden;188062 Wrote: > What engineering? > > The guy simply recognizes that there are a number if insecure > in-duh-viduals out there with disposable income to throw away on junk, > so he provides the junk. > > Here's an old saying that may help you through the rest of your audio > life: "if there ain't no numbers, there ain't no engineering". > > TD I don't agree with your portrayal of these kind of people. Some people simply have a vivid imagination and are able to convince themselves that their theories are almost certainly true. You most probably find them amongst the self-taught engineering types. It doesn't make them devious scammers, even though it might look like that in the eyes of people with a different disposition. The problem is that we all need mental models of the world, and sometimes this model can become all too real. It happens to the sceptics too. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
325xi;188052 Wrote: > Audioengine 5 active speakers have been mentioned many times lately, but > the contexts were so different it's quite difficult to get more less > clear picture of how good or bad they are for a person used to > audiophile quality gear. > > If anyone compared, or heard and remembers the impression on how they > sound comparing to low- or mid- priced audiophile integrated amp with > *unpowered* bookshelf speakers - please post here. > > I don't think it's fair to compare them to WATT/Puppy speakers driven > by Lamm monoblocks, therefore I'm looking into comparison with up to > $1000-1500 amp, and the same price range speakers. Yes, I know it's 10 > times more, but the purpose of this thread is to get the overall > picture of where Audioengine stands relatively to the real stuff. One thing to keep in mind is that "how good" something sounds is correlated to how much clean audio power they can emit and the size of room used for listening. My mini Warfdale Diamond 8.1 and a T-Amp sound very good in my small office, but I'm sure they would sound puny in a larger room. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
GaryB;188040 Wrote: > TD, > I recommended Hagerman's site because he admits he doesn't know why > burn-in works scientifically but does offer his own empirical findings. > He also has built some relatively affordable burn-in accelerators and > they seem to sell well. I find this market acceptance an indicator of > reasonable value given his very low key approach to advertising and his > willingness to share openly his engineering. > ---Gary What engineering? The guy simply recognizes that there are a number if insecure in-duh-viduals out there with disposable income to throw away on junk, so he provides the junk. Here's an old saying that may help you through the rest of your audio life: "if there ain't no numbers, there ain't no engineering". TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
Thing is, though, he's not just saying "I can't justify the effects of cable 'burn-in' scientifically, but people claim to be able to hear a difference, so I believe there is a genuine effect on the properties of the cable and I have a product which I believe may stimulate and accelerate the process". Instead, there's total hogwash about 'formatting' and 'washing' materials. We are told that a signal of a level which is safe for the fine wire in a cartridge will somehow succeed in "forming the materials after a chaotic manufacturing experience" - even if that cable will then be used to carry mains power. Even if break-in is indeed a real, physical process which does change the electrical characteristics of the cable, Hagerman is doing himself and the industry no favours by promoting his product with such unscientific babble. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
Audioengine 5 active speakers have been mentioned many times lately, but the contexts were so different it's quite difficult to get more less clear picture of how good or bad they are for a person used to audiophile quality gear. If anyone compared, or heard and remembers the impression on how they sound comparing to low- or mid- priced audiophile integrated amp with *unpowered* bookshelf speakers - please post here. I don't think it's fair to compare them to WATT/Puppy speakers driven by Lamm monoblocks, therefore I'm looking into comparison with up to $1000-1500 amp, and the same price range speakers. Yes, I know it's 10 times more, but the purpose of this thread is to get the overall picture of where Audioengine stands relatively to the real stuff. -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions:... >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >>...- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
tyler_durden;187978 Wrote: > The guy is selling a $500 cable break-in device so his opinion is more > "informed"? TD, You do have a way of creating a strawman and then knocking it down. I recommended Hagerman's site because he admits he doesn't know why burn-in works scientifically but does offer his own empirical findings. He also has built some relatively affordable burn-in accelerators and they seem to sell well. I find this market acceptance an indicator of reasonable value given his very low key approach to advertising and his willingness to share openly his engineering. Hagerman is one of the good guys in audio and offers some of the most reasonable priced gear to audiophiles out there. Using his Frykleaner as an example, he prices it at different levels with different finishes so its available to a wider audience. Using the Frykleaner as an example, one can get it as follows: --- If you want a fancier case and heavier duty outputs so one can burn in multiple cables then you have the Frykleaner Gold at $500 --- Or if that's too much one can buy the standard Frykleaner assembled for $175 --- Or if that's too much one can buy the circuit board and build it oneself for $39 --- Or if that's too much one can download the sound clip for free I think claims that he's milking audiophiles are really missing the mark. ---Gary -- GaryB GaryB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
Deaf Cat;188017 Wrote: > > God knows how it works, I've not got a clue, but would be intrested to > know how, if it can be explained in terms that I understand - (simple) > :) Here how it is explained in terms of what you understand: your desire/expectation that it will sound better after "burn-in" causes you to think that it does. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Little office/bedroom system
Did a little further digging, Anybody heard these : http://www.hhb.co.uk/hhb/uk/products/detail.asp?ID=1897 ? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33584 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
mmg_fan;187955 Wrote: > I'm auditioning some anti-cable interconnects and speaker cables on my > system (Magnepan MG12's, Jolida hybrid amp) and though a bit bright > sounding, overall I am quite pleased. > But the literature accompanying them suggests a minimum of 200 and up > to 500 hours of 'break-in' time. > Can someone help or at least offer their opinion? Do you have shop demo cables, or new out of the box cables to try ? >From listening to the change in sound that I heard when burning in my IC, the new and part way burnt in sound, is different to the end, fully burnt in sound. So in future I will always try and get hold of a demo cable that has had plenty of hours use already, let it settle in for an hour or two (system playing, not listening to it), then sit down, and then decide if I like it. The cable I bought needed approx 500hrs burn in, did not believe it to start with, but it did sound different to the demo cable I had borrowed. I seem to remember it went through stages and at one point I was going to take it back to the shop, as it sounded thin bright and scritchy. After a few more days it filled out bass came back, and it smoothed out lovely :) - To the sound I bought it for. So I'd say make sure it is fully burnt in before you decide to purchase it, or not. God knows how it works, I've not got a clue, but would be intrested to know how, if it can be explained in terms that I understand - (simple) :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
GaryB;187975 Wrote: > For another and perhaps better informed opinion, take a look at the > following FAQ written by Jim Hagerman of Hagtech. He's a very good > engineer and makes quality audio products and kits at reasonable > prices. The FAQ is here: > > http://www.hagtech.com/burn.html > > And Jim's Frykleaner product for helping accelerate burn in is here: > > http://hagtech.com/frykleaner.html > > I have no connection with Hagerman or Hagtech. > > ---Gary Unfortunately the "scientific explanation" contained no real science. Better then to admit to not knowing what is going on. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
GaryB;187975 Wrote: > For another and perhaps better informed opinion, take a look at the > following FAQ written by Jim Hagerman of Hagtech. He's a very good > engineer and makes quality audio products and kits at reasonable > prices. The FAQ is here: > Have you actually read the FAQ? He quite openly admits to having absolutely no clue what 'break-in' might actually be doing to the cable, or what the effect (if any) is on its measurable parameters. Instead he writes a load of fluff like "It is needed to "format" and clean up or "wash" the materials in the cable". This is not something that would be written by an expert. It's meaningless. Even if there were some change going on in the cable, who is to say it's always advantageous? I'm honestly quite surprised that nobody has yet suggested that a cable has a finite life after which it should be replaced. The components in your hi-fi - capacitors, especially - certainly do have a finite lifetime, during which they're steadily degrading. Sure, unplug a cable, stick it on some useless gadget for a few hours and put it back. You'll have cleaned some oxide or other crud from the contacts and given your ears a rest, so I'm not surprised it sounds slightly better. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
