Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anybody Hacked SB3 > External Clock?
miklorsmith;189780 Wrote: > You can add a wordclock in to the SB3, but this is strictly a custom > operation for a modder. The clock chip in the SB is deactivated and > hardwired with a dedicated clock cable. > I suppose you mean a BIT clock? 11,28 MHz is a bit clock not a word clock :P -- tingtong5 tingtong5's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9671 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable
> > Nominal impedance: All of their speaker cables offer a nominal > impedance that is below 10 ohms, so it does not interfere / create > impedance bumps between the amp and speaker. 10 Ohms!!! Huh?? > > Time smear: By using one conductor, the signal path remains one length > regardless of frequency. You don't run into "strand jumping" via > stranded cable or dissimilar arrival times from various length paths as > used in many multi-conductored Litz based designs. Any time that you > have multiple signal paths available, you'll always have a small amount > of time smear involved. After all, it is IMPOSSIBLE to make ALL the > conductors exactly the same length. Strand jumping? One length regardless of frequency? This is total nonsense. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32454 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
325xi;189770 Wrote: > Why do you think merely having optical out guarantees quality of that > mini sound card feeding that out? Or the Airport Express, for that matter. This "serious" review of the AEX digital out -- http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/505apple/ -- sounds upbeat, but sections like the following seem a little disconcerting: "One operational glitch that didn't affect my system to any significant extent but did do so for some readers was the fact that, as the AE doesn't have a local clock circuit, when the incoming data is interrupted, as it is when you change songs in iTunes, there is no longer a digital output to feed the DAC, which loses lock as a result. Both the Levinson and the Benchmark DACs that I use deal gracefully with the lost lock ... I therefore missed the fact that with some other DACs, the first seconds of a song might be cut off." "AE ... is limited to ... 16-bit data only. ... It is also important to note that the AE functions only at a 44.1kHz sample rate. When you play 32kHz or 48kHz data, iTunes sample-rate-converts the data in real time before sending it to the AE." (The SB handles 44.1 and 48; the Transporter can also handle 96k. Both can handle 24-bit recordings, according to http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32951) Since Apple doesn't prominently post the sort of technical detail that you can get on Slim's hardware (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?HardwareComparison), I think you should seek out such reviews. I get the feeling that Apple included the digital output because of the prevalence of digital inputs in mid-fi AV receivers -- not for high-end gear. Certainly Apple's marketing this as "hi-fi" doesn't help their hi-fi credibility: http://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/ ...but the widespread praise of the cheap T-amps makes it clear that you shouldn't rule Apple's hardware out just because their gear is not expensive enough! Sonos: a quick search in these forums will turn up hours' worth of reading. Here's one place you might start: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23490 -Peter -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim BlankSaver BottleRocket FuzzyTime SaverSwitcher SleepFade StatusFirst VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
325xi- The Mac Mini isn't a laptop. I haven't seen any published jitter specs for any Mac products other Stereophile's test of the $129. Airport Express, which measured 258ps using a Musical Fidelity X-DACV3 DAC verses their 321ps measurement for the SB3. I'll bet the digital outputs on the Mac Mini, Powerbook or iMac are as least as good as the AE. Mr.Bowes- I've never said "all digital sources are the same, and they all work just the same with all external dacs and every possible cable, both coax and optical." I said the Mac Mini's digital output should be atleast as good as the SB3's digital out using a DAC like the Lavry, which others on this forum have reported works well with a SB3. Until you perform a Mac Mini/SB3 comparison/measurements,your expectations are no more valid than mine. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
That's OK I am sorry my original posts were not more clear. -- valeite valeite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10755 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
valeite;189817 Wrote: > The SB3 does not have the facility to connect my other digital sources > to it through a digital input, whereas the Transporter does improving > the sound from those devices in particular the DAT Recorder which has > really benefited by using the Transporters DAC. > > I do not now need to buy a DAC for my other equipment. > > The SB3 is a very good device but would not give me the additional > functionality I have not said anything to the detriment of the SB3s > DAC. Thanks for explaining! Not owning a Transporter I didn't know about its input functionality. -- -Stef- Yamaha - Chario - MJ Acoustics - Squeezebox 3 -Stef-'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
The SB3 does not have the facility to connect my other digital sources to it through a digital input, whereas the Transporter does improving the sound from those devices in particular the DAT Recorder which has really benefited by using the Transporters DAC. I do not now need to buy a DAC for my other equipment. The SB3 is a very good device but would not give me the additional functionality I have not said anything to the detriment of the SB3s DAC. -- valeite valeite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10755 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
valeite;189785 Wrote: > I have other digital equipment that I can make better use of, using the > Transporters DAC. I could not have done this with the SB3 although > (...) I really don't want to be a bother but in the two quotes I've posted you say the SB3's DAC wouldn't perform the same but you don't mention what that assumption is based upon. I guess you did compare them hooked up on your own setup. Personally I have never heard the Transporter but for a device that costs six times the price of a SB3 (at least in the Netherlands it does) it better has the better sound. I guess I have to listen to the Transporter soon. Untill then, I love my new SB3. -- -Stef- Yamaha - Chario - MJ Acoustics - Squeezebox 3 -Stef-'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me decide please
srw;189804 Wrote: > Do I need to rip all my music again to flac to get the best quality Yes. > and use a dac to get as good results as a dedicated cdp? Yes. In and of itself the sound of the stock Squeezebox 2/3 is pretty unspectacular. If you want to minimize boxes, you can have the SB3 modded. > I also listen to a lot of internet radio, which I presume I could do > through my hifi with sd3? Most internet radio streams can be played, but there are exceptions. Install SlimServer and Softsqueeze (a software Squeezebox emulator) on your PC to test. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33853 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anybody Hacked SB3 > External Clock?
miklorsmith;189805 Wrote: > Well, the clock cable is hardwired into the SB as a wordclock in. My > DAC has a wordclock out, so the DAC is the clock "master". > > Lessloss is convinced this is The Way to go. The best I can > understand, having two competing clocks that don't mesh perfectly are a > big source of jitter. Having the clock as close as possible to the DAC > chip is a good thing. Don't quote me on it though, this is what I > distill from their statements. > > I should be able to compare the "ultimate" Lessloss solution vs. > Boulder Cable's "ultimate" standalone SB pretty soon, should be > interesting. Yes, I am intimately familiar with the concept. I was commenting on going the _other_ direction, which Phil asked about. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anybody Hacked SB3 > External Clock?
Well, the clock cable is hardwired into the SB as a wordclock in. My DAC has a wordclock out, so the DAC is the clock "master". Lessloss is convinced this is The Way to go. The best I can understand, having two competing clocks that don't mesh perfectly are a big source of jitter. Having the clock as close as possible to the DAC chip is a good thing. Don't quote me on it though, this is what I distill from their statements. I should be able to compare the "ultimate" Lessloss solution vs. Boulder Cable's "ultimate" standalone SB pretty soon, should be interesting. -- miklorsmith miklorsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4349 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me decide please
I'm thinking of getting an sd3 to intergrate with my existing hifi and possibly replace my cd collection. I currently have an arcam a85 amp and cd73 cd player with a pair of dynaudio focus 110 all set up in my living room. My windows xp machine currently has all my music stored on it, but they are all mp3 with a bitrate of 320 kbps. I want to be able to use the pc as the server, but really dont want to lose any sound quality over my arcam cd73, and I would rather not buy a dac just yet, as I would like to have fewer boxes not more! Do I need to rip all my music again to flac to get the best quality, and use a dac to get as good results as a dedicated cdp? I also listen to a lot of internet radio, which I presume I could do through my hifi with sd3? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Simon -- srw srw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10834 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33853 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe ... with a spouse who appreciates video more than audio. +---+ |Filename: P1010070_2.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2577| +---+ -- kphinney SB3 -> JoLida 102B -> B&W DM602's kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable
I just stumbled upon a particularly interesting discussion: RF engineer (Sean) shares his thought of what could be the ultimate speaker cable. No, not a zip cord this time. http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=cables&n=85528&highlight=Goertz+Sean&session= -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32454 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
jhm731;189791 Wrote: > Why do you think the SB's digital output would sound any better than the > Mac Mini's digital output? Have you compared them? I don't state one is better then the other, but when someone tells me he's going to use generic laptop soundcard I would be concerned, unless I know that that particular generic laptop soundcard is very good. jhm731;189791 Wrote: > If you use an external DAC like the Lavry, the Mac Mini's digital output > should perform just as well as the SB's digital ouput. Visit Lavry's own forums, you'll find many interesting things to consider. For example that even Lavry, while being among the best in handling jitter, doesn't get any close to filtering out all of it. And tiny card jammed in tiny case - you'll never know what's going on with EMI/RF over there... -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
jhm731 wrote: > 325xi;189770 Wrote: >> Why do you think merely having optical out guarantees quality of that >> mini sound card feeding that out? > > Why do you think the SB's digital output would sound any better > than the Mac Mini's digital output? Have you compared them? There are several reasons why I would expect the SB's digital output to be better than a Mac Mini digital out. I've not done a comparison as I don't have a Mac Mini. > If you use an external DAC like the Lavry, the Mac Mini's digital > output should perform just as well as the SB's digital ouput. Sure, because all digital sources are the same, and they all work just the same with all external dacs and every possible cable, both coax and optical. Yeah, right. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
325xi;189770 Wrote: > Why do you think merely having optical out guarantees quality of that > mini sound card feeding that out? Why do you think the SB's digital output would sound any better than the Mac Mini's digital output? Have you compared them? If you use an external DAC like the Lavry, the Mac Mini's digital output should perform just as well as the SB's digital ouput. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
A mate bought an airport express, only had it working for 1/2 hour or so, and then put it back in the box. Apparently he could not live with the sound it was producing. I did not listen and don't know exactly how he set it up, so I'm afraid I can't comment on set up etc. After further research he has decided to go for a SB once he has more cash. So it may be an idea to get a listen to all in the equation, if at all possible. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
I have other digital equipment that I can make better use of, using the Transporters DAC. I could not have done this with the SB3 although I believe it is a very good device if I had not a DAT (digital audio tape) recorder I would have purchased the SB3. I will also try my CD player connected to the Transporter though I do not expect any improvement. My equipment is mainly Cyrus based. (Amplifier, CD, DVD, Mission 753 Speakers etc). Sorry Who not That -- valeite valeite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10755 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
-Stef-;189774 Wrote: > your last remark makes no sense to me Simple. In some households it's easier to justify one large purchase instead of a series of smaller upgrades. The original poster is pleased with the Transporter, his spouse has okayed it, and he since he now has a state-of-the-art source component which also upgraded the sound of his other digital sources, there's no desire (and no need) to further upgrade. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anybody Hacked SB3 > External Clock?
Phil Leigh;189773 Wrote: > I was wondering how hard it is to add a wordclock out to the SB3 and a > wordclock in to my DAC (MF X-DACv3)...so that the DAC can slave to the > sb3 without relying on the SPDIF clock...anyone done anything like > this? - is it a DIY option? I don't see how that would have any advantage over S/PDIF, in fact I expect it would be worse. To do that you need to generate an MCLK signal by multiplying the word clock by a factor 256. You have nearly all the same jitter components as s/pdif, but possibly even worse because you have to multiply up by such a large factor to a PLL-generated MCLK, and it is the MCLK that affects jitter, NOT LRCK. LRCK is effectively a data signal as far as any modern delta-sigma DAC is concerned. I just can't think of any practical use for feeding a word clock cable INTO a DAC. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
When you get your Mac Mini, be sure to disable (under pref. in iTunes) the sound "candy" such as eq, soundcheck and enhancer. Under applications-utilities-find "midi" and see that 44.1kHz is checked. Also, be sure that iTunes and the main Mini volume are set at "max", and use you pre-amp/receiver to adjust volume. I have a Mini in my listening room and used iTunes/ALAC for all two channel listening. The mini was connected via a glass toslink to my pre-amp. It sounds very good. After a year or so, I decided I wanted an external DAC, researched a lot, but decided on a Transporter because of the positive feedback concerning its DAC. I have converted all my ALAC files to FLAC, and only use Slimserver. The one feature I really miss from iTunes is the ease of navagating through the georgeos Album art view. With the recent iTunes update, it is now full screen. That said, overall, I prefer Slimserver to iTunes. As another poster mentioned, burn DRM files to a cd, then importing the files will solve your concern. Mark -- yooper yooper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anybody Hacked SB3 > External Clock?
You can add a wordclock in to the SB3, but this is strictly a custom operation for a modder. The clock chip in the SB is deactivated and hardwired with a dedicated clock cable. The downside of this is the SB will not run without an external clock signal and it will not operate analog-out. So, you'll NEED a DAC with clock output to be able to listen to the SB. If your DAC doesn't have a clock output, that's probably the bigger hurdle. I have a Lessloss DAC that has a clock output and I'm planning to convert the SB. But, the loss of SB flexibility has made me think long and hard about whether I want to do it. In the end, the sonic benefits (theoretical to me at this point) will probably win out and the SB could be converted back if needed. -- miklorsmith miklorsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4349 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
valeite;189757 Wrote: > at the last minute changed my mind and purchased a Transporter instead. > > I am really pleased that I did. I have now hooked up the digital > outputs from my satellite receiver and my ancient DAT Recorder and have > immediate benefits. (do not have a DAC). > > The Transporter was very easy to set up, just the time it takes to plug > in and push buttons. It connecting to my network immediately. I have no > stutter or drop outs and the sound is very good to my ears, I cannot > discern any real difference to the original CDs even internet radio is > very good on the better bit rate stations. > > Very pleased with my purchase even with the big difference in price. > (my retirement present to myself) > > I could see me wanting to buy a DAC if I had gone with the SB3 this way > I am happy and do not have to justify a further purchase with She That > Must Be Obeyed. I also just got a Transporter yesterday. I already had 2 squeezeboxes, so adding (replacing one of the sqeezeboxes) the transporter took less than 5min. Now I just need to start upgrading the rest of my stuff to match the Transporter. :) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
valeite;189757 Wrote: > at the last minute changed my mind and purchased a Transporter instead. > > I am really pleased that I did. I have now hooked up the digital > outputs from my satellite receiver and my ancient DAT Recorder and have > immediate benefits. (do not have a DAC). > > The Transporter was very easy to set up, just the time it takes to plug > in and push buttons. It connecting to my network immediately. I have no > stutter or drop outs and the sound is very good to my ears, I cannot > discern any real difference to the original CDs even internet radio is > very good on the better bit rate stations. > > Very pleased with my purchase even with the big difference in price. > (my retirement present to myself) > > I could see me wanting to buy a DAC if I had gone with the SB3 this way > I am happy and do not have to justify a further purchase with She That > Must Be Obeyed. I would imagine that "She" might object to being referred to as a "That" rather than a "Who." :) -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
valeite;189757 Wrote: > > (...) > I could see me wanting to buy a DAC if I had gone with the SB3 this way > I am happy and do not have to justify a further purchase with She That > Must Be Obeyed. Great to hear you a pleased with the purchase of your Transporter. I can imagine you are but your last remark makes no sense to me (based on the little info that you posted). Have you compared the SB3 and the Transporter hooked up to your own setup? Just curious about the differences between the two. I own my SB3 for 5 weeks now and I am very pleased with it as well. -- -Stef- Yamaha - Chario - MJ Acoustics - Squeezebox 3 -Stef-'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10282 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anybody Hacked SB3 > External Clock?
I was wondering how hard it is to add a wordclock out to the SB3 and a wordclock in to my DAC (MF X-DACv3)...so that the DAC can slave to the sb3 without relying on the SPDIF clock...anyone done anything like this? - is it a DIY option? -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
jhm731;189768 Wrote: > With the Mac Mini you also get an optical digital output which you can > plug directly into a external DAC. Buy a DAC, optical cable and a small > display for your Mac Mini and you're done. Why do you think mere having optical out guarantees quality of that mini sound card feeding that out? -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
creativepart;189638 Wrote: > > I like the SQ concept, but with the Mac Mini I get a remote control and > iTunes and built in WiFi so I'm pretty set. With the AEX I could be up > and running off of iTunes in an hour or less using the AEX's internal > DAC. With the Mac Mini you also get an optical digital output which you can plug directly into a external DAC. Buy a DAC, optical cable and a small display for your Mac Mini and you're done. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
The thing I don't get is why anyone would want to buy DRM files (lossless or not) from anywhere...It's certainly not something I will ever do. I don't want music to be licensed to me - I want to own it...and do anything with it that is legal / fair use. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
smarjan;189754 Wrote: > Azinck3, could you please expand that line a bit more? I am still > exploring SB... Slimserver is a server application that runs on your computer and does 2 things, primarily: 1) serve music/data to hardware players like the SB or transporter and software players like softsqueeze or media player (via mp3 stream) 2) Gives you centralized control/browsing/search for all your music and all your players via a web interface. While slimserver has many other capabilities, those are the two things its primarily designed to accomplish. This is nice because all of your music is in one place, in one database, and control of all playback devices is unified. From any computer in the world with a web browser and internet connectivity I can browse and listen to all of my music and control any of my squeezeboxes (I have 4). Another cool thing: I have a couple of friends with squeezeboxes and when I'm at their houses sometimes we want to listen to my collection and all it takes is pointing their SB's at my server. Slimserver and softsqueeze are a free download--I'd recommend you give them a try to get familiar with the paradigm. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nearly got SB3 but...
at the last minute changed my mind and purchased a Transporter instead. I am really pleased that I did. I have now hooked up the digital outputs from my satellite receiver and my ancient DAT Recorder and have immediate benefits. (do not have a DAC). The Transporter was very easy to set up, just the time it takes to plug in and push buttons. It connecting to my network immediately. I have no stutter or drop outs and the sound is very good to my ears, I cannot discern any real difference to the original CDs even internet radio is very good on the better bit rate stations. Very pleased with my purchase even with the big difference in price. (my retirement present to myself) I could see me wanting to buy a DAC if I had gone with the SB3 this way I am happy and do not have to justify a further purchase with She That Must Be Obeyed. -- valeite valeite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10755 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anybody Hacked SB3 > External Clock?
Hi Ronald, so it sounds like you want to get data out over the S/PDIF, but feed the clock in to the SB3. This should work fine. Taking a 74HC chip directly into a 75 ohm impedance is not a good idea, they are not designed for this. I would just leave the S/PDIF as is since you are reclocking the data in the DAC, getting the absolute lowest jitter possible out of the S/PDIF interface is not necessary. I've switched to using LVDS for sending data and clocks between boxes, it works amazingly well and radically cuts down on radiated crud from the wire. Good luck with the project, it should give you a significant improvement in sound. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
azinck3;189647 Wrote: > 6. Do you care about anytime access to a central database of music that > you can access over the internet via slimserver? > Azinck3, could you please expand that line a bit more? I am still exploring SB... -- smarjan smarjan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
Apple DRM can be circumvented by burnig a CD and reimporting to Itunes. If Itunes offers lossless in the future there would be no degradation in SQ. There are some software programs that will do this automatically. You might want to listen to a Transporter before going with the SB, it is one of the best DACs out there, IMO. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
The other player to consider is the Sonos system.. it does somethings better than SB somethings not as well. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
Thank you for your detailed help. I had not really considered all that a Squeezebox could do. However, the only things that are important to me at this time -- however that may change -- is the ability to use the files on my Mac Mini with my stereo system AND to be able to access my playlists, etc. Also, of course, it is manditory to be able to quickly and easily grow into a better stand alone DAC system. Both of my mentioned options do both of these things. There is one plus for the SQ and one negative for the SQ as well. The plus is seeing the song display. I think that's pretty big. The negative is not being able to play iTunes purchased music. Now, I've never purchased anything on iTunes because I don't like 128K MP3 files. But someday that could change and iTunes will offer Lossless files. Then, maybe I would purchase some music from iTunes. I'm leeeaning toward the Squeezebox as my starting point. Thanks again for all the help. I really appreciate it. -- creativepart creativepart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10822 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's better?
I would say given the level of your system you should be considering a Transporter or SB/External DAC equivalent. -- The Smokester The Smokester's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9198 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33836 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac
mlsstl wrote: > One can debate whether DRM has or has not been effective (or even can > be), but the concept (not the technical implementation) is still one of > the guiding lights for the music industry. (An industry, I might add, > that has always been in a love/hate relationship with musicians and > composers.) Your statement is almost right. DRM is the holy grail of the lawyers who run the RIAA and MPAA. What often gets lost in these discussions is that the RIAA does not represent what most folks outside the music industry consider to be the music industry. Nearly everyone agrees that composers, musicians, singers, etc. should be paid for their work. But the RIAA does not represent these 'stakeholders'. The RIAA represents the major record labels. It has a few minor record labels as members, but all the pull and power is by the big five labels. Most folks, if they think about it for a minute, will even extend past the singers, musicians, composers, to include arrangers, conductors, recording studio owners, recording and mastering engineers, graphic designers for the artwork, etc. I spent four years doing serious cryptography for CyberCash, SuperDistribuion, and OneBigCD. All three companies were about ensuring that people got paid for digital goods. None were as naive as to think brain-dead, simplistic techniques such as the various DRMs seen to date will ever work, if the definition of 'work' is being secure, robust, pain-free for the consumer. I believe I know how to make a DRM be effective. I know it is a ton of work, and none of the bandaids used for DVDs, CDs, iTunes, etc. have any prayer of 'working' in the above sense. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac
One can debate whether DRM has or has not been effective (or even can be), but the concept (not the technical implementation) is still one of the guiding lights for the music industry. (An industry, I might add, that has always been in a love/hate relationship with musicians and composers.) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33813 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac
Pale Blue Ego wrote: > DRM has not prevented a single song from making it to P2P, so DRM does > not prevent file sharing. And more importantly, DRM has not resulted in any increase in money paid to artists, musicians, recording engineers, etc. Current economics make it such that musicians make money from gigs. The record labels have ruined the economics of selling recordings. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac
thanks to you all for your help -- pkfox When the going gets weird - the weird turn pro. Hunter S Thompson pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33813 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac
Mark Lanctot;189491 Wrote: > See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31616 > > Also Josh Coalson (the FLAC developer) usually lists FLAC download > sources as they appear at http://flac.sourceforge.net/news.html. > You'll have to scroll down a bit. thanks I'll have a look -- pkfox When the going gets weird - the weird turn pro. Hunter S Thompson pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33813 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac
Pale Blue Ego;189639 Wrote: > DRM has not prevented a single song from making it to P2P, so DRM does > not prevent file sharing. Good point. Any kind of DRM *will* be broken sooner or later. For me, the biggest threat that the decline of the CD brings is that once online distribution becomes the norm, it's highly likely that the vast majority of music simply won't be available in a lossless format. Let's face it, the need for lossless quality is only felt by a small niche of music buyers. I fear that the big labels just won't bother to cater for us. So although I no longer actually play physical CDs, they remain my source format of choice, and I for one will lament their demise when the time comes. -- cliveb Performers -> dozens of mixers and effects -> clipped/hypercompressed mastering -> you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33813 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
