Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread dlite

I sell the LAvry DA10 over here in Australia and inevitably many people
want to connect to non balanced rca inputs.  I have found no problem
whatsoever with the adapters, or any particular sonic degradation.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Longevity and getting old stuff serviced

2007-04-18 Thread tyler_durden

DCtoDaylight;195976 Wrote: 
> I think the long term reliability issues will come from the complex
> IC's, rather than anything else.  They can be built for 20+ years of
> service, but most aren't these days... 

The vaccum-fluorescent display will crap-out long before the
semiconductors are a problem.  Semiconductors tend to fail quickly
(infant-mortality) or not for a very long time.  Look at any VCR with a
vacuum fluorescent-display.  They grow dim over a period of just a few
years.

It won't matter- the the electronics and display will last long enough
for the whole thing to become obsolete in a year or two.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread fezco

Yes... there is a Guitar center 4 blocks from where I work. It would be
worth getting a couple adapters just to try it out.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread Max F

If your not too paranoid about cables and you live in the States, you
can pick up an XLR to RCA cable at Guitar Center or any other pro audio
shop.  One cable no adaptors.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Longevity and getting old stuff serviced

2007-04-18 Thread swhite58

I have a Luman L4 amp that I bought in 1980, which I'm pretty sure I can
still get repaired by at least one hifi dealer here in Perth.

I'm sure there are lots of better amps around, but I suspect I'd have
to spend serious money to get much improvement.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Longevity and getting old stuff serviced

2007-04-18 Thread DCtoDaylight

I think the long term reliability issues will come from the complex
IC's, rather than anything else.  They can be built for 20+ years of
service, but most aren't these days...  
Most consumer product life cycles don't demand that length of service
(who here owns a 10 year old cell phone?) and the makers of these
products won't spend the money for longer term reliability...

Having said that, I've got several bits of fairly old gear in my rig,
including a 25 year old Bryston 3B amplifier, and a Classe DR3.  I've a
special love for the Bryston, because of the way they retroactively
extended my original 5 year warranty to 20 years!  How often has that
happened to you?

Cheers,
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Longevity and getting old stuff serviced

2007-04-18 Thread Mark Lanctot

adamslim;195953 Wrote: 
> So the Slim Devices angle questions are:
> - What is the life expectancy of SD products?  New models every couple
> of years?  Hopelessly outperformed after five years?  Unserviceable
> after seven?  Just the nature of the current tech?  I am now upgrading
> my SB3 for a second time, and I've not even had it a year!

Given that the old SliMP3s and SB1s are still out there and still run
on the latest SlimServer, I'd say it's quite good.  Isn't serial number
1 still operational?  I think Dan Sully owns it, or maybe Dean
Blackketter?

It's very different technology though.  Amps haven't changed all that
much, really (yeah I know someone will quote some obscure super-rare
exception).  About the only significant thing has been the rise of
class D.  The realm of networked digital audio players is totally
different - the SliMP3 really introduced it, and since then, there's
been the rise of wireless networking, lossless codecs, digital outputs,
multiple codecs, etc.  You can't stay with the same device since this
technology is changing so rapidly, and to Slim Devices' credit, the
first SliMP3s aren't really obsolete - they will still play MP3s like
they always have, but they can do it off the latest SlimServer 7.0a1.

> Anyone got older equipment in their main system?

People will laugh at me, but since they do anyway, I have an early '80s
vintage Hafler DH-200 amp.  I don't care what they say, I like it.  It's
built like a tank, it's got gobs of reserve power and I have never been
able to make it hotter than even lukewarm.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tried the Mac Mini directly to the DAC

2007-04-18 Thread creativepart

It's working fine. The difference is noticeable when compared to the
SB3, but I would say the SB3 sounds darn good through a DAC. However,
the direct method opens things up quite a bit. I'm not a super
discerning listener. Small changes often are lost on me. I guess the
biggest change was the placement of voices and instruments was freed up
by the change in connection. I hesitate to use "reviewer speak" but the
sound stage opened up -- or maybe spread out is a better term.

I went back and forth using the same few songs played through the SB3
connection and then played through the direct connection many times. My
first impression turned out to be my final impression. I really didn't
expect it to, or even want it to all that much. I really liked the
SB3.

But, when it came right down to it, there was enough of a difference.
Not night and day. But definate.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tried the Mac Mini directly to the DAC

2007-04-18 Thread adamslim

I've not heard a Mac direct into a DAC.  Certainly PCs cause all sorts
of problems - the digital signal can suffer all sorts of processing,
such as poor upsampling and more.

But I'm surprised the Mac is so noticeably better.  Little or no
difference I could easily understand, but your clear preference - are
you sure the SB3 is functioning OK?

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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tried the Mac Mini directly to the DAC

2007-04-18 Thread creativepart

I bought a SB3 about 3 weeks ago to use with my Mac Mini. It worked
great. I used it with the internal DAC for the first 2 weeks and then
hooked the SB3 up to a MF X-Dac V3. I much preferred the X-Dac over the
internal DAC in the SB3.

So, it started to nag at me, what about not using the SB3 at all and
connect the Mac Mini directly to the Dac via the Mini's optical S/PDIF
port??

I had to do some rearranging of the placement of components but got the
Mini close enough to use a high quality (expensive) Toslink cable
between the Mac and the X-Dac. I have to say, there was no contest. The
direct connection was superior sounding.

But, what about the SS functionality, the display and the remote
control? Well, they are formidable pluses. So, I tried living with
iTunes and the Mac remote for the past two days and everything worked
fine and sounds fine (better) too.

So, as much as I think the SB3 is a great product and one I would
recommend to anyone, I'm sending mine back for a refund. Really, all my
SB3 was doing was carrying the sound wirelessly from my desktop to the
shelf behind me when I'm sitting at my desk. If I was using it to
listen to music from one room to another then it would be the perfect
device.

Maybe for most of you there isn't an option to listen to your music
server directly connected to a dac, but if it is possible I would
recommend that you give it a try.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Longevity and getting old stuff serviced

2007-04-18 Thread adamslim

I just today got my EAR 859 amp serviced by the manufacturer, and wanted
to share the experience, as there is much that is unusual.  Not much to
do with SD (perhaps) :)

The manufacturer is probably unique in that my 15 year-old 859 is still
a current model.  I mentioned this to the designer, Tim de Paravicini,
today, and he just said 'well, if you design it right, you only need to
do it once.  Although some of the competition are now starting to catch
up!'

The switch and volume control were wearing and making poor contacts, so
he replaced these, swapped some resistors, sorted my bad valve
soldering, checked the valves, cleaned it all and took the mickey out
of my valve cooler/dampers, all for under £100 including VAT.  This on
virtually no notice - I only checked yesterday whether he was free to
sort it.

It does now sound significantly better (which the wife noticed straight
away, as ever!), probably due to the better volume pot and better
contact, but it has always sounded fantastic.  It's really nice to have
equipment that you've had for almost half your life and feel no need to
upgrade - I have not heard an amplifier that I think is _much_ better,
and the cost of any improvements is so great as to make it
unthinkable.

So the Slim Devices angle questions are:
- What is the life expectancy of SD products?  New models every couple
of years?  Hopelessly outperformed after five years?  Unserviceable
after seven?  Just the nature of the current tech?  I am now upgrading
my SB3 for a second time, and I've not even had it a year!

Anyone got older equipment in their main system?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread seanadams

opaqueice;195949 Wrote: 
> Some early versions of the firmware inverted the absolute phase of the
> signal, which screwed up DTS decoding.

That was only a setting in the DAC - the digital signal has always been
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread opaqueice

willyhoops;195846 Wrote: 
> 
> of course this assume the volume is turned to 100% (god only know why
> we have a volume control in a transporter / sb3 anyway. it's as silly
> as putting one on a cd player)

Given that almost everyone else likes and uses it, and that if you
don't want it you can easily disable it in SS, I don't see how it be
regarded as silly.  Many people run their SB/TP directly into a power
amp.

As for bit perfect playback, as others have commented that's trivial to
achieve and has been tested many times for the SB.  Some early versions
of the firmware inverted the absolute phase of the signal, which
screwed up DTS decoding.  In fact IIRC that was one way the phase flip
was noticed.  It was quickly corrected (although firmware 15 cultists
may still suffer from it).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread Robin Bowes
willyhoops wrote:
> i can't be bothered to argue about the volume control feature and i
> already live with the 'feature' and check it all the time becuase
> friends end up turning it down and screwing the sound and endangering
> the amp by turning it to max then changing input and blowing the house
> down...

If it bothers you that much, raise an enhancement request for a
preference setting to disable volume adjustment.

Personally, I am glad of the volume control on all my Slim Devices
(SB1-3 + Transporter).

> 
> but the real question is has anyone connected the digital out to a
> soundcard and checked the reproduction is perfect as described in my
> first post?

As tyler_durden said:

> That has been done many times.

R.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread Mark Lanctot

willyhoops;195867 Wrote: 
> i can't be bothered to argue about the volume control feature and i
> already live with the 'feature' and check it all the time becuase
> friends end up turning it down and screwing the sound and endangering
> the amp by turning it to max then changing input and blowing the house
> down...

You've seen Player Settings - Audio - Digital Volume Control?  Set it
to fixed.

> but the real question is has anyone connected the digital out to a
> soundcard and checked the reproduction is perfect as described in my
> first post?

There's no need to.  It's bit perfect, and there are several ways to
prove this:

1.  HDCD.  If a single bit is altered in an HDCD stream, the encoding
falls apart.  Yet the SB3 and Transporter can output an HDCD stream.

2.  DTS and DD passthrough.  This would not be possible if the
SB/Transporter altered bits.

Bit-perfect output is trivial.  A $40 DVD player can do it.  You
actually have to go to great pains to make a digital output -not-
bit-perfect.

Given this, there's no mechanism for causing clipping where the
original files were not clipped.  There must be something else at work
there.  But most CDs made in the past few years are clipped and
hypercompressed anyway, often severely.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread seanadams

willyhoops;195867 Wrote: 
> but the real question is has anyone connected the digital out to a
> soundcard and checked the reproduction is perfect as described in my
> first post?

Yes, of course. It is a very easy test to do. An even easier test is to
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Software Upgrade problem with Transporter

2007-04-18 Thread Siduhe

What version of the Slimserver software are you using.

This thread (there have been a few similar ones) describes something
similar to what you are experiencing when using 6.5.1 with the latest
SN firmware.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34238&highlight=pandora+upgrade

If so, try upgrading to the latest 6.5.2.  It's very stable and I'm
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Software Upgrade problem with Transporter

2007-04-18 Thread valeite

See
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31937
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34275&page=2

and

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34227


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread willyhoops

i can't be bothered to argue about the volume control feature and i
already live with the 'feature' and check it all the time becuase
friends end up turning it down and screwing the sound and endangering
the amp by turning it to max then changing input and blowing the house
down...

but the real question is has anyone connected the digital out to a
soundcard and checked the reproduction is perfect as described in my
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Software Upgrade problem with Transporter

2007-04-18 Thread jpolster

I have a very strange upgrade problem with my transporter. For weeks
everything was working fine including Pandora for which I have a payed
account.
A few days ago Transporter wants me to upgrade the SW when trying to
access Pandora at Squeezenetwork. OK, done and Pandora works fine. When
going back to SlimServer it again wants a SW update. When doing this it
pretends to do it complete then does a Factory Reset at which point I
have to input all data again. The Slimserver works, but the game with
Pandora starts over.

Any idea???


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread discocarp

tyler_durden;195859 Wrote: 
> It also allows direct connection between the unit and a power amp
> without requiring a preamp/volume control for systems where budget is
> an issue and/or where the listener wants to keep the system simple
> (many feel that sounds best).

This is exactly how I'm going to run my new system once all the ordered
parts arrive. I for one am very thankful for both the digital volume
control and the attenuation jumpers in the transporter.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread tyler_durden

willyhoops;195846 Wrote: 
> ...also that hi-fi magazine claimed they could hear a difference between
> wireless transmisson and using the transporter simply as a dac with a cd
> played plugged directy into it. these strage reports would be resolved
> if someone checked that a recording of the digital out produced an
> identical wav file to the original.

That has been done many times.  Hi-fi mags have to find something to
criticize because some of their readers will find something to
criticize.  If the magazines reviewers are so insensitive as to miss
some weakness, who can the discerning reader trust?

willyhoops;195846 Wrote: 
> 
> of course this assume the volume is turned to 100% (god only know why
> we have a volume control in a transporter / sb3 anyway. it's as silly
> as putting one on a cd player)

The volume control is there to allow the output level of the
transporter/SB3 to be matched to other components feeding the same
system.  It also allows direct connection between the unit and a power
amp without requiring a preamp/volume control for systems where budget
is an issue and/or where the listener wants to keep the system simple
(many feel that sounds best).

TD


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread fezco

I was planning on getting the appropriate pin-outs and rigging it up
accordingly. I make cables all the time so I don't think it will be a
problem. I might start out with a couple of XLR-to RCA adapters just to
see how the Lavry performs. I'm looking forward to trying it out.

Hey Sean... COAX feed from the SB3 or toslink? What do you suggest?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread seanadams

You need to be a little bit careful since you are going from an XLR
_output_ to make sure that you do NOT tie the unused line to ground. It
should be floating. For example, the following is correct for feeding an
RCA output to an XLR input, but it is WRONG for going the other way:
http://www.mediacollege.com/audio/connection/xlr-rca-1.html

Here is a cable for sale that looks like the right thing:

http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=2029&sku=40053

But since it doesn't show a wiring diagram for it, you should double
check it with a ohm meter before using it.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread Balthazar_B

fezco;195847 Wrote: 
> 
> Now what cables should I chop up and make XLR to RCA? That is the next
> question.
> 

Wait, you're going to spend up to a thou on a DAC and then mock (muck?)
up a cable?  Why not:

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGIH,GGIH:2007-02,GGIH:en&q=rca+to+xlr


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread fezco

Well I'll take the plunge then and try to track down a Lavry. Too many
people have indicated that it trumps even the mighty stereophile
class-A rated Benchmark. Coming from a pro-audio background years
ago it will be like 'coming home.'
Now what cables should I chop up and make XLR to RCA? That is the next
question.
Thanks for your help.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sb3 / transporter sound test

2007-04-18 Thread willyhoops

has anyone connected the digital out of their squeezebox to the digital
in of their sound card and compared a wav file streamed by sb3 or the
transporter to the recording via the digital out? eg eac has a compare
two wav files feature and some hi end soundblaster cards have an
optical digital in.

i have seen a few posts saying that the digital output of the sb3 clips
even though it never did in the original cd. also that hi-fi magazine
claimed they could hear a difference between wireless transmisson and
using the transporter simply as a dac with a cd played plugged directy
into it. these strage reports would be resolved if someone checked that
a recording of the digital out produced an identical wav file to the
original.

of course this assume the volume is turned to 100% (god only know why
we have a volume control in a transporter / sb3 anyway. it's as silly
as putting one on a cd player)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread seanadams

fezco;195840 Wrote: 
> Ok Ok Ok... I get it. After posting both here and at audio-asylum, the
> support for the Lavry is overwhelming. The thing about it though is
> that it has the balanced outputs. Anyone here using the Lavry as
> unbalanced through the use of adapters, clever handmade cables (which I
> plan to do), or other? I would order one up soon if not for this issue.

What issue? Balanced outs can drive a RCA input no problem, you just
use only one of the lines. If you don't like having an adaptor on
there, have a cable shop make you a XLR to RCA cable.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10

2007-04-18 Thread fezco

Ok Ok Ok... I get it. After posting both here and at audio-asylum, the
support for the Lavry is overwhelming. The thing about it though is
that it has the balanced outputs. Anyone here using the Lavry as
unbalanced through the use of adapters, clever handmade cables (which I
plan to do), or other? I would order one up soon if not for this issue.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Transporters in the UK

2007-04-18 Thread amcluesent

$2.01 to £1 now. SHhould be able to pick up a Transporte for £1000
equivalent and sneak it back in through Customs 'green channel'.


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