Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
jhm731;197354 Wrote: > power supply noise is the biggest cause of jitter in digital circuits. This last sentence got me thinking: the main difference between the SB2 and SB3 is the use of a switching supply for the digital circuit in the older model. Sean mentioned the SB3 having slightly better jitter specs. I've listened to both and haven't discerned any audible differences. But it still bothers me to have a switcher in there... -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
The much lauded Lawry DAC also has a generic switcher PS. It's a shame more and more manufacturers are resorting to this. And good to know, Meridian's SMPS are subpar. A shame given the prices they sell for... -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
mswlogo;197341 Wrote: > My preamp is considered very high end by some Meridian 861 (which has a > switching power supply), my speakers are are also considered very high > end by some Meridian DSP 5500's (each with there own swicthing power > supply), and in total I probably have about 12 other switching power > supplies. I'm not about to hack these components apart to remove the > switching power supplies. I trust the company that built them knew what > they were doing and designed the circuits to properly handle any high > frequency switching. > > This same company puts triple buffers to reduce jitter. But they admit > you can never get rid of all jitter. It's best resolved at the source. FYI1-Others have upgraded the SMPS units in their Meridians with PSUs from Mauimods.com and have experienced a big improvements, but you obviously have a closed mind and blind faith. FYI2- Meridan uses SMPS units because they're cheap and conform with European power supply directives, but that doesn't mean they can't be improved. FYI3- power supply noise is the biggest cause of jitter in digital circuits. Happy listening. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
tyler_durden;197349 Wrote: > Do you have any numbers or are you assuming this based on the probable > low cost of the supply? > > TD It's obvious the Unifive SMPS supplied with the SB, is quite inexpensive. The elimination of the costly power transformer accounts for the lower cost compared with the traditional linear design. OTOH, I'm assuming Meridian's (quite a respectable hi-fi manufacturer) power supply is much more elaborate. Which makes sense given the performance requirements. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good Dac straight to power amp....
Hi Deathcat, I sell some gear in australia. The Lavry DA10 is very good, and highly recommended. I also had a Wadia 25 for a while, for the price it is a very good dac/preamp, rate it as different but equal of Lavry DA10. I expect Wadia overall quality wise is better especially in the preamp and output stages. Another alternative that sounds like it will meet your tastes well is the Bel Canto DAC3, I think the output stages and the preamp section will be much better than the Lavry. Of course do not forget my own favourite the SB Transporter. Magic connected direct to the amp. -- dlite dlite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4885 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
crooner;197343 Wrote: > > I understand that a switching mode power supply can be made reasonably > quiet, but it's not cheap. And be certain this is not the case with the > tiny PS included with the SB. Do you have any numbers or are you assuming this based on the probable low cost of the supply? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality streaming music...
bert1e;197235 Wrote: > There is a radio station called more fm from new zealand that has a > 192kbps stream http://boombox.inspire.net.nz:8000/listen.pls > > I would be interested if anyone can find some others Just go to WinAmp's media library, look at shoutcasts. There are quite a few with 256 kbps -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34718 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
You are not comparing a power supply in a very expensive unit to the 99 cent adapter that comes with the SB, aren't you? I understand that a switching mode power supply can be made reasonably quiet, but it's not cheap. And be certain this is not the case with the tiny PS included with the SB. OTOH, you'd be surprised at the poor shielding some very expensive high-end units exhibit. There's even one audiophile school of thought claiming RFI shielding affects sound quality (i.e. Kimber and Nordost cables). -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
crooner;197338 Wrote: > Thing is that the RFI generated from the switching power supply will > creep to other components, and this is not good. > > The low frequency RFI generated by the switching supply is much more > troublesome than the radiated 2.4 GHz signal from the internal miniPCI > Wi-Fi card, in my experience... My preamp is considered very high end by some Meridian 861 (which has a switching power supply), my speakers are are also considered very high end by some Meridian DSP 5500's (each with there own swicthing power supply), and in total I probably have about 12 other switching power supplies. I'm not about to hack these components apart to remove the switching power supplies. I trust the company that built them knew what they were doing and designed the circuits to properly handle any high frequency switching. This same company puts triple buffers to reduce jitter. But they admit you can never get rid of all jitter. It's best resolved at the source. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My 2 mods for coax digi out...
opaqueice;194622 Wrote: > Not much, I suspect. The received wisdom among audiophiles is that > impedance mismatches in interconnect cables can lead to reflections, > which in turn contribute to jitter. However most people discussing > this seem to have transmission lines in mind (where this is in fact a > real concern). S/PDIF along a 1 meter interconnect is very, very far > from that regime. To a good approximation the voltage is the same > everywhere along the cable, and there are no standing waves or > reflections. Still, even very small amounts of jitter can sometimes be > audible, so I suppose it's possible there is sometimes an audible effect > in extreme cases, like very long cable runs. > opaqueice, you seem fairly well versed but this statement is wrong. It most certainly *IS* a transmission line. And of course you can have ringing. I don't know how much this particular mod really helps. But in theory it most certain could help. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34406 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
Thing is that the RFI generated from the switching power supply will creep to other components, and this is not good. RFI itself might introduce noise to the digital data stream, causing extra jitter. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
I've run several tests recording the digital output of my Preamp/DAC every bit is getting through perfectly from the SB3. DTS perfectly. Who cares about imperfect waveforms as long as they are being interpreted perfectly. All that is left is jitter !!! Maybe some devices downstream of your SB3 is dropping bits due to the stock wallwart vs some highend one. But mine is not. If a 1 is a little squarer or a 0 a little flatter who cares. As long as the receiver is reading them correctly. You got data and timing, that's it. Others may not be convinced but I am. The SB3 transmits the data perfectly. It could be a little better on jitter though. SeanAdams clearly showed the power supplies made zippo difference on jitter. Can someone state a measurable effect on data accuaracy or jitter using a better power supply? Or do you just go with all the hype? I certainly beleive the connector can help jitter by getting a better 75 ohm impedance match. Any comment on the other mods? -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality streaming music...
I find AACPlus streams sound significantly better than MP3 ones. The 64kbps Radio Swiss Classic AACPlus stream is one of my favorites -- it sounds better than MP3 streams at two or three times the bitrate. The problem is that, for now, you cannot access them through Squeezenetwork, only through a Slimserver with the mplayer plugin installed. See www.tuner2.com for a directory of AACPlus streams. muski -- muski muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34718 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
JJZolx;197297 Wrote: > RFI is a very real problem with the 99 cent wall wart supplied. A > better power supply is mandatory, IMO, regardless of whether it has any > effect on jitter. Absolutely! I didn't mention the PS because it's pretty much mandatory to replace it with a linear. RFI/EMI can be a problem. In the analog domain, it translates into audible noise. However, for digital signals the extra noise will probably be translated into jitter problems. I am experimenting with a special material called ERS from Stillpoints. Is a cloth with RFI/EMI filtration properties. Carefully appplied in critical areas, it should yield noticeable improvements... -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
mswlogo;197289 Wrote: > And the fact that all that matters is jitter, since the SqueezeBox as > far as I tested is bitperfect. All that jitters is not, err, jold... Time has told me that whatever anyone says is the only thing, they are always wrong. When they say that it is even the main thing, time tells that they are usually wrong. Relax and put on some music. If you're not happy with the sound of your system, be open as to the potential solutions :) Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost and Anti-cables http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
mswlogo;197289 Wrote: > And the fact that all that matters is jitter RFI is a very real problem with the 99 cent wall wart supplied. A better power supply is mandatory, IMO, regardless of whether it has any effect on jitter. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
I would go for the BNC connectors and a 1:1 digital transformer at the SPDIF output. This would measurably reduce jitter. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does SB3 outputs audiophile sound?
servies;197203 Wrote: > That raises the question, which one sounded in absolute terms the best? > and probably a lot of disagreement will always exist on that topic. You > say that your CD player sounded better, another person may find the SB > sounding better... What people regard as the best sounding is always > colored by what they're used to hear... Yes indeed. Happily I am no believer in absolutes - although anyone who thinks my SB3 sounds better than my CD player is surely absolutely deaf ;) Seriously, it's not possible to have any perfect scoring system for audio. You can pay attention to what other people say (kinda like ask the audience on Millionaire - do they really have a clue?) or you could find out for yourself. Or, actually, you could ask a friend. I like this comparison. Maybe it's all just 50:50... Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost and Anti-cables http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34633 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
After seeing Sean Adams post that power supply (on his setup anyway) made no difference in jitter. And the fact that all that matters is jitter, since the SqueezeBox as far as I tested is bitperfect. I don't want to bother doing mods that are based on just folks opinions on listening because most have been discredited by measurement and make no sense. Like folks saying Optical is better than coax (maybe some folks ears like a little jitter). I'm certainly willing to listen to comments based on listening but I've seen so many times that it was completely wrong. Any way what mods are truly helpful in reducing jitter? Has anyone measured the effect of jitter on? 1) Removing Wifi Card 2) Using BNC connector instead of RCA 3) Lifting clock (used for low data rate) 4) Changing power supply 5) Using Wifi instead of wired (e-net wires have tons of nasty stuff on them). Any consensus based on measurements done here and from reviews that can clearly conclude doing mod x is a must? Thanks for any pointers. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs PC as a source
http://www.diykits.com.hk/dac.html -- Anne Bryston B-100 SST, Squeezebox 3, Stax Signature II, Martin Logan Aeon I. Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33724 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good Dac straight to power amp....
Explanation - Cool, I understand. Will do a bit more reading, cheers :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does SB3 outputs audiophile sound?
I have a Sony 600£ cd player. and have run tests comparing analog output from SB3. The SB3 have another sound more open in the high end. The bottom are more or less the same. Regards Søren 2xclass A amps Martin Logan SL3 speakers -- Rasso01 Rasso01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10224 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34633 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs PC as a source
Update: I just found a cool little box by hifidiy (http://us.hifidiy.net/Article.asp?articleid=180# )that converts USB to SPDIF. Apparently there is some art to this. Connecting my PC through this box to the CEC DAC sounds much better than using the USB input to the same DAC. -- Bob Bressler Bob Audio Note CDT-Two->Audio Note DAC5 + Slim Transporter->Spectral DMC-20->Kassai amp->Audio Note AN Es Bob Bressler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2217 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33724 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Software Upgrade problem with Transporter
Thansk, will give it a try and report -- jpolster jpolster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34572 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good Dac straight to power amp....
If you search the forums here, I think you'll find the SB digital volume control issue has been well discussed. As I recall, there is no loss of audio quality in using the SB volume control as long as you keep it in the range above 40% or so. What I did was set my SB3 volume at max and then play a medium soft track. I then adjusted the volume control on the Lavry so that the volume was near the maximum I most often use for listening. That means when I listen to music, my SB3 volume is almost always in the 70% to 90% range so I am solidly in no-loss-of-sound-quality territory. If I do happen to use a sub-40% volume setting, that means it is nothing more than background music for non-critical listening, so the sound quality is still more than acceptable. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality streaming music...
There is a radio station called more fm from new zealand that has a 192kbps stream http://boombox.inspire.net.nz:8000/listen.pls I would be interested if anyone can find some others -- bert1e bert1e's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1419 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34718 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality streaming music...
jt25741;197127 Wrote: > Yahoo Music(aka Musicmatch)streams at 190Kbps WMA through the Jukebox > application and is probably the best sounding larger service out there. > Problem is that they only support Roku Soundbridge and a few others, > not Slimserver/SB etc...I wish they did because the service is > really pretty good. I subscribe for the higher quality and often > listen directly on my PC. I use the Linksys Music Bridge to get it to > my audio system -- not nearly ideal or as good as using my SB. Wouldn't it be great to have a Yahoo Music plugin? Wish I was smart enough to scratch one out. I know some here are though. I agree that Yahoo sound quality is better than most and selection is not bad. What bugs me is in order to stream Yahoo music to my SS, I must transcode to OGG Vorbis or MP3. Ugh! The minimal quality of 192Kbps is lost in the translation. . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond Pale Ale -> easy chair w/remote. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34718 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does SB3 outputs audiophile sound?
adamslim;196353 Wrote: > > For me, the stock SB3 sounded pretty well unlistenable compared to my > £1,500 CD player. Not that surprising, really, and no criticism of SD. > It's OK, but don't expect miracles! > > Adam That raises the question, which one sounded in absolute terms the best? and probably a lot of disagreement will always exist on that topic. You say that your CD player sounded better, another person may find the SB sounding better... What people regard as the best sounding is always colored by what they're used to hear... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34633 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on DACs - eg Shek d2?
I too wasn't to happy with the Digital output on the SB, so i went and invested in the Beresford TC-7510, and I've been very very impressed. I compared my Music Fidelity A3 CD player with the SB + Beresford TC-7510, and whilist there are still some difference, I'd rsay was right up there in terms of detail, sound stage and bass response. And its a snip at 100 pounds including p&p, and if you don't like it, just return it for a refund. I can also add that the customer service from Stanley Beresford is very good. BT -- BigTony We're Only In It For The Music! www.zappateers.com BigTony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10638 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does SB3 outputs audiophile sound?
yes of course : same output level. -- powaq Yamaha RXV4600 - SB3 - Focal JMLab Chorus 826V powaq's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6888 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34633 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does SB3 outputs audiophile sound?
powaq;196369 Wrote: > Hi, > > I received my SB3 a couple of month ago and I tested its analog > output. > > I did the test with an "old" Home-Cinema Receiver (Yamaha RXV592 with > analog inputs only) and a standard CD player (Yamaha CDC565). > Speakers : Davis Acoustics DK200 > > All analog, FLAC/SB3 vs CDplayer, simultaneous play/switch. > The CD player was definitely better ! sorry I don't speak english good > enough to be more precise. But the difference was obvious. > Did you listen to the SB3 and the CD player at the same output level? Unless you level-match then the test is no good - the loudest will sound better. Mike -- Pictish Pictish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34633 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on DACs - eg Shek d2?
willyhoops;196952 Wrote: > I have been testing the analogue output of the SB3 against a couple of > mid range cd players in my house including the yahama HRD 1500 which is > an old fashioned 250GB hard drive player I have been using a lot. > It's pretty obvious that the DAC quality of the SB3 is lower than these > players. I'm surprised by this. I've compared the SB3 output against a Naim CD5. Although initially I thought the CD5 was way ahead, after the output levels were matched (my Nait5 amp allows this to be set for different inputs) I found very little difference. Any difference was merely in presentation. Anyway I got my daughter to also test, at her age she has good ears. The outcome was she couldn't tell the difference, although initially she swore the CD5 was better. Although I do like the different presentation of the CD5 I found myself using the SB3 much more and sold the cd player. If I was to get a dac for the SB3, which I have thought of, it would have to be a good one to beat the dac thats already in it. Mike -- Pictish Pictish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
