Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
> ...foundation that collects the tax on blank CD's... CD's for > photography...It's not easy to think of something taxable that is > associated only with listening to music Oh god what papers do you read! There is a famous and obvious solution to this... Microsoft pays a % of the sale price on every Zune to the record companies to compensate for piracy. Apple was asked to do the same but refused. Indeed it's a tall order for manufactureres to do it voluntarily. The obvious way to distrubute the money is based on survey of pirate content although this is hard to measure for real small artists... But as file sharing goes ballistic recovering enough money to compensate for lost sales is going to add unrealistically to the price of the machines. -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pollution over wire?
There IS a way for "dirty" ground from a digital environmnet to get over a wire to a "clean" environment, its called a ground loop. In order for this to happen there has to be a loop (hence the name!) A loop is caused when there is more than one path that ground currents can take from one environment to the other, as long as there is only one ground path, there cannot be a loop, hence no contamination. In order to make this work you have to be very careful about possible "sneak paths" such as through power supplies etc. For example if you have the analog outs connected as well as the S/PDIF out you now have a loop. If you have an external supply that has a three prong plug in which the ground pin is connected to the neg output wire, you can also have a loop. A hard wired ethernet connection might be a possible loop, but as has been mentioned most implementations use transformers and the impedance of these is high enough that most ground noise will not go through them. (just because something is DC isolated does not mean its AC isolated, you have to take the impedances into account) So if you are reasonably careful about isolating the squeezebox from extrnal eleactrical connections, you probably will not be "contaminating" a DAC with digital noise from the SB over the coaxial S/PDIF out. The above is also a primary reason why a lot of people like battery powered digital gear, you have a much lower probability of having a ground loop. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35031 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Can anyone answer this question with complete authority? Does 1) SB3 and/or 2) TP support a) 24/88.2 and/or b) 24/96 in i) WMA Lossless and/or ii) FLAC without transcoding at either server or device with current server and firmware release levels by design and allowing for bugs and artifacts caused by circumstances? This seems to be a fraught question and yet it should be an explicit technical yes or no for each cell value. It also seems to me that this is a vulnerability in SD's master plan - I am better off using a configurable PC and NAS as my system because at least I can control the technical parameters explicitly, though I loose convenience and elegance. With SD what I see is not always what I get. -- PNCD PNCD's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10778 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
This thread made my day. Sean, I see that you have profited from the many posts about audio quality. More possible checkbox lines: improvement (X) Playing music files from Ram. Desperation (X) Your audio equipment isn't good enough to allow you to detect the difference. Change the subject (X) Heisenburg uncertainty principle. (X) Relativity Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
You claim that an ( ) audible ( ) measurable (X) hypothetical improvement in sound quality can be attained by: ( ) upsampling ( ) increasing word size ( ) vibration dampening ( ) bi-wiring ( ) replacing the external power supply ( ) using a different lossless format ( ) decompressing on the server (X) removing bits of metal from skull ( ) using ethernet instead of wireless ( ) inverting phase ( ) installing bigger connectors ( ) installing Black Gate caps ( ) installing ByBee filters ( ) installing hospital-grade AC jacks ( ) defragmenting the hard disk ( ) running older firmware Your idea will not work. Specifically, it fails to account for: (X) the placebo effect (X) your ears honestly aren't that good ( ) your idea has already been thoroughly disproved ( ) modern DACs upsample anyway ( ) those products are pure snake oil ( ) lossless formats, by definition, are lossless ( ) those measurements are bogus ( ) sound travels much slower than you think ( ) electric signals travel much faster than you think ( ) that's not how binary arithmetic works (X) that's not how TCP/IP works ( ) the Nyquist theorem ( ) the can't polish a turd theorem (X) bits are bits Your subsequent arguments will probably appeal in desperation to such esoterica as: (X) jitter (X) EMI ( ) thermal noise (X) existentialism ( ) cosmic rays And you will then change the subject to: ( ) theories are not the same as facts ( ) measurements don't tell everything ( ) not everyone is subject to the placebo effect ( ) blind testing is dumb (X) you can't prove what I can't hear (X) science isn't everything Rather than engage in this tired discussion, I suggest exploring the following factors which are more likely to improve sound quality in your situation: ( ) room acoustics ( ) source material ( ) type of speakers ( ) speaker placement ( ) crossover points ( ) equalization (X) Q-tips -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
All these questions about the possibility of interference to the SB3 from stoves, microwave ovens, cell phones, vibrating toys, etc., has me wondering if it is possible for the titanium implant and porcelain crown in my skull to cause interference that would affect the sound of my SB3. I mean, maybe the saliva in my mouth, the electrolyte that is my blood, and the titanium metal and mercury-amalgam fillings could set up a sort of battery and the current could generate a magnetic field. Any ideas if this is something I should worry about? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?
Pale Blue Ego;200828 Wrote: > Sweet! I used a pair of NADs in bridged mode for many years, a 7155 > receiver + 2155 power amp. Unbelievably dynamic! Even at very low > volumes I could hear a real difference. > > I've though of picking up a used 3400 + 2400, but don't really have > room for a separate 2-channel system now. I do like the sound very much - dynamic is a good description. The improvement of adding the 2600A to the system and then running the two amps bridged was significant, particularly in the base. I really like it. A 3400 + 2400 setup with a SB3 sitting on top of that stack would be very nice indeed also:) -Ron -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 -> CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A -> Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max -> Sennheiser 650s *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34233 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
yooper;200887 Wrote: > Thank you to all. > > Mark, I have an Anthem AVM 50 and Anthem MCA 50, I will look into your > suggestion, with fingers crossed. > > Thanks, > > Mark Hmm, so you actually do have a pre/pro and a multichannel amp - this means those preouts are used already. Knowing the calibre of Anthem equipment, there may be secondary preouts? Otherwise you'll have to use a Y-adapter on the mains preouts and run interconnects to both amps. This gets messy regarding how and when to turn which amp on. Hmm. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
yooper;200855 Wrote: > > Now I'm stuck. Since the speakers are now connected to the Moscode, > and the Moscodes only two ins are used by the Transporter, how can I > listen to HT? Sorry, I think I missed the actual problem. One solution might be get smaller front mains to leave connected to the anthem, which will have the benefit of a subwoofer and only be used for movies, while the real 2 ch main speakers are connected to the moscode. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
yooper;200887 Wrote: > Thank you to all. > > Mark, I have an Anthem AVM 50 and Anthem MCA 50, I will look into your > suggestion, with fingers crossed. > > Thanks, > > Mark Here's the page in the manual for audio connections : http://www.anthemav.com/NewSitev2.0/Downloads/files/OwnersManuals/AVM50_v1_1x_Manual.pdf As mark says you need to select analog bypass in a menu somewhere, which it says is possible on any input. You could run the transporter balanced output into the anthem, which also has balanced output or RCA. Nice piece of equipment you have there! -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Robin Bowes;200871 Wrote: > > You shouldn't use virgin olive oil to cook with - it burns to easily. > Better using something like groundnut oil. > You must be British :-). -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
Thank you to all. Mark, I have an Anthem AVM 50 and Anthem MCA 50, I will look into your suggestion, with fingers crossed. Thanks, Mark -- yooper yooper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
What 5.1 equipment do you have? If it has preouts, could you not attach the 2-channel amp to the mains preouts? When you're listening to the Transporter, use it as another source on the 5.1 but listen in DIRECT or BYPASS mode. (This will essentially turn the 5.1 equipment into a 2-channel preamp.) You may also consider a speaker switch - one position connects the 5.1 amp, the other the 2-channel amp, but that would be cumbersome. You'd have to keep changing it back and forth. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Active Speakers
great thread, thanks for sharing -- kage 'I love affordable Chinese Amps! ' (http://stores.ebay.com/Otaku-Cyber-Convenience-Store_Audio-Accessories_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ10912151QQftidZ2QQtZkm) kage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11500 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
haunyack;200873 Wrote: > "The above was written after 2 glasses of a good cabernet while > listening to Ojos De Brujo: Techari" > > I would think the Techari CD calls for a fine agave mescal. > > Great CD by the way! > > . Only if you eat the worm :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
"The above was written after 2 glasses of a good cabernet while listening to Ojos De Brujo: Techari" I would think the Techari CD calls for a fine agave mescal. Great CD by the way! . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Robin Bowes;200871 Wrote: > tomjtx wrote: > > > Said writer/musician is preparing to cook angel hair pasta with > fresh > > gulf shrimp sauteed in virgin olive oil and garlic to be added to a > > homemade tomatoe basil sauce. > > You shouldn't use virgin olive oil to cook with - it burns to easily. > Better using something like groundnut oil. > > :p > > R. Groundnut oil? Wouldn't that be painful? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
tomjtx wrote: > Said writer/musician is preparing to cook angel hair pasta with fresh > gulf shrimp sauteed in virgin olive oil and garlic to be added to a > homemade tomatoe basil sauce. You shouldn't use virgin olive oil to cook with - it burns to easily. Better using something like groundnut oil. :p R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
You aren't going to be able to do this without changing wires when you switch between HT and the transporter. Unfortunately the transporter did not include a home theater bypass, which is what you need. You CAN do this by just adding a 2 channel preamp into your system. Make sure the preamp has a home theater bypass feature on it. Many do, but not all. -- discocarp discocarp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
Well, unless you have a means of getting the two front channels out of your 5.1 amp and into one the TP inputs, you may be stuck. And I'm not sure I'd call the TP a preamp, really - a multi-input DAC, perhaps. I have a slightly similar setup, but don't have your problem as my main 2 channel amplifier is an integrated amp with spare inputs - so I can take the preouts from my 5.1 amp and feed them into the 2-ch. Could you find an alternative (integrated) amp? Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
Unfortunately, my HT (5.1) and two channel listening are done within the same room and I currently run separates. With that said, I would like to add a 2 channel amp (Moscode 401HR) and connect my Transporter directly to the Moscode. No problem there, connect my mains, run analog from the Transporter to the Moscode. Now I'm stuck. Since the speakers are now connected to the Moscode, and the Moscodes only two ins are used by the Transporter, how can I listen to HT? Is my only option to disconnect the Transporter, and connect the pre-amp to the Moscode each and every time I listen to one or the other? Is there another option? Thanks, Mark -- yooper yooper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
OK I will chime in again. I strongly support fair use and I think current DRM restricts this and ultimately hurts sales more than helps them. That said, I would not copy someone's CD and keep it. I have copied CDs to see if I like them and want to keep them. If I want to keep them I buy them. If I don't like it I delete it. To copy a Cd to keep is stealing revenue from the musician and I have a problem with that. Rationalizations that the artist doesn't see the revenue are just that : rationalizations. I am opposed to DRM. I would rather rely on the honesty of others than restrict fair use, regardless of how naive this may seem. I do believe that there will always be a lot of "stealing" , especially among high school and college students. I also think this is an "acceptable" loss when weighed against their income and ability to "promote" a given artist. I prefer to "believe" these students, when they get jobs and enter the adult world will buy music. I would rather risk "stealing" among a certain group than penalize everyone with unfair DRM which restricts the fair use of the majority. I do think the riaa , ascap etc. are little more than a mafia which even extorts money from any business (resturaunts etc.) which play CD's and have live music. I don't think this means we should abolish copyright. Perhaps the law needs to be refined to prevent the extortionist tactics of ASCAP etc. The above was written after 2 glasses of a good cabernet while listening to Ojos De Brujo: Techari. Said writer/musician is preparing to cook angel hair pasta with fresh gulf shrimp sauteed in virgin olive oil and garlic to be added to a homemade tomatoe basil sauce. Condiments include a fresh ground pecorino reggiano. All the above is copyrighted and any attempts to duplicate will be vigorously prosecuted. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?
mark-e-mark;200787 Wrote: > I have a Musical Fidelity integrated playing my SB3 FLAC streams that > are decoded by a Zhalou DAC from China. The MF is a solid-state > machine, so what's a digital one? > > If you wish to post some links for my edification, I would certainly > appreciate it. Cheers. Usually integrated refers to a stereo amp with built in preamp for switching sources, volume control, etc. A surround sound receiver OTOH has a processor that decodes the files and amplifies five channels, plus sends an RCA signal to the subwoofer. If you want to use two high quality stereo amps for the fronts and rears, and one mono amp for the center, then you need a pre-pro, or preamp processor, to decode the signal and send the appropriate RCA signals to each amp, and the sub. One that that a lot of people use just for two channel D/A plus HDCD is the Enlightened Audio Designs Theater Master. They look like Rowland equipment, are still serviced by a fellow who's name i forget, and can be had for as little as $1k used. PS keep austin weird! -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34233 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Phil Leigh;200839 Wrote: > Yep - another really well thought out piece of rubbish legislation. > > I'm surprised no-one has suggested a blanket tax on paper and > pencils... > I think this is going a bit fast. It's not easy to think of something taxable that is associated only with listening to music on which copyright hasn't been paid. So as a compromise the tax is applied to something that can be used for other purposes as well. That's bad for people that use lots of blank CDs, but it's good for everybody else and for musicians (presumably). So this again is a question of balancing the good of the many against the detriment of a few. In any case, I share the skepticism here that a specific tax which gets distributed to artists would be the best thing to replace music copyrights with - it was just an idea. Does anyone have any other suggestions? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?
gevorg;192950 Wrote: > For those of you who had/have audiophile CD players or DACs, and now > using SB3, which of the CD players or DACs is SB equivalent of in terms > of sound quality? You might be interested in this thread, where we compared a SB3 to a transporter in a very high-end system: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 We also compared the SB3 analogue outs to an $8,000 Dodson DAC, and briefly to a $4,000 Oracle CD1000. It was difficult to do a good comparison as we had some difficulty getting the levels matched and it wasn't our main goal, so I can't say anything firm, but if there were any differences other than volume they were quite subtle. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34233 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Yep - another really well thought out piece of rubbish legislation. I'm surprised no-one has suggested a blanket tax on paper and pencils... Analogue Rights Management anyone? -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pollution over wire?
well funnily enough, if it is good enough for gigabit networking...it's going to be just fine for anything less demanding! There is going to be no...NO...real difference between wired vs. wi-fi in terms of sound quality using the digital o/p to a DAC (analogue may be another story). How many more times does this dragon have to be slain?. Is this one of the new audiophile myths? -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35031 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?
Ron F.;200619 Wrote: > Main rig: NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A -> Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers Sweet! I used a pair of NADs in bridged mode for many years, a 7155 receiver + 2155 power amp. Unbelievably dynamic! Even at very low volumes I could hear a real difference. I've though of picking up a used 3400 + 2400, but don't really have room for a separate 2-channel system now. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34233 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
IMHO there's a much bigger problem with the idea of a tax on CDs or other media. One of my hobbies is photography, and I use blank CDs and DVDs to store digital photos - original material in which I hold the copyright. So, the idea of paying a tax to the music industry for the storage space I use is every bit as ludicrous and unjustified as suggesting I should pay a tax to the fast food industry, or the coal mining industry, or any other industry that has NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in my use of digital storage media for my own legitimate purposes. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone with a Bryston amp/dac and SB/Transporter - How does the Bryston dac sound ?
Anne;200552 Wrote: > This scares me a bit, hope I didnt throw a lot of cash at something I > cant hear > I dont think the sound from the SB3 is particularly good in the analog > mode I use now > > Another thing, I have a Tandberg TPT 3001 A, probably the best tuner > the world has seen, and I am considering selling it, but just > connected it again today, my favourite jazz program was on, and I > was floored ! > Jesus what a sound, the bass thrust you back, the sound is ALIVE, and > its impossible to sit still ! The radio stations all have this > signature sound, but some sound over the top. These are the stations > for young people, very clean sound, a bass that goes to the bottom of > the ocean, and the dynamics are unbelievable, incredible. > My stations on the Squeezebox all sound more or less the same to me, > clean sound, but lifelessyou want to turn the music down, its > almost always too loud, where with the Tandberg no matter the level its > just incredibly good to listen to, why is this ? Am I too keen on analog > sound and compressed mp3 ? > Shouldnt I sell it anyway ? It cant bring in Atlanta Blues Society > thats for sure... I agree the Squeezebox is kinda hifi - it's good, but not involving enough for me. I think it's a resolution thing, but it's very hard to analyse, I find. The SB+ has cured it though! But FM can offer the most amazing sound too. I have a Rotel 990BX, and UK Radio 3 when it does live classical music can be simply beautiful - we have the Proms season starting soon and I can't go this year (newborns - no live music for a year!), so the tuner will be used every night :) So I'm with Ron - selling a good FM tuner is a no-no! Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability" - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34969 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone with a Bryston amp/dac and SB/Transporter - How does the Bryston dac sound ?
He-he, yes, bad karma, know it. I sold my Nakamichi deck the other day, and the day after the money, which I put in a drawer, was gone ! The house is being renovated with new plumbing, so doors are open all day, but who is it ? We will never know. Anyway, the problem is that I am not particularly fond of the radio stations in this country, its mostly talk, and the local radio stations are for younger generations. I listen a lot to the HAPPYDAY contemporary (409/800 I believe)on the SB3 and it relaxes me a lot. I want more stations like that, with a good bitrate -- Anne Bryston B-100 SST, Squeezebox 3, Martin Logan Aeon I. Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34969 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hardware & Ripping - Help an audiogeek newbie
Rick B.;200723 Wrote: > Wow! Pale Blue, I'd love it if you created a new thread detailing how > you created the DTS flac's from quad LP's! It's not too involved. I digitized the 4 channels with a soundcard, did a LOT of noise cleanup and pop removal, then used software (SurCode CD-DTS by Minnetonka) to create center and sub channels and do the final encoding to DTS WAV. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35076 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pollution over wire?
nicketynick;200808 Wrote: > Now, Mark, don't be poking the cute critters in the zoo! Perhaps I should start selling C37-lacquer-coated isolation transformers for the audiophile price of $249.99. The comment wasn't meant to offend and was perhaps a question. I'm not entirely sure how isolation transformers work. I think they would completely block everything but the signal. I could be wrong here, and "completely" is one of those absolute terms that can so frequently be proven false to varying degrees. If they do let noise get through, the question then becomes, is it enough that it would be immediately apparent (in which case my question was, in fact, relevant) or is it the subject of an audiophile debate? > OT: you've been on a posting storm! - 4150 posts? I think only kdf has > more than that! Do you get a free pony at 5000 or something? Heh, we'll see. There are worse addictions I suppose. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35031 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pollution over wire?
Now, Mark, don't be poking the cute critters in the zoo! OT: you've been on a posting storm! - 4150 posts? I think only kdf has more than that! Do you get a free pony at 5000 or something? -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35031 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pollution over wire?
nuhi;199872 Wrote: > can the same (hypothetical) pollution travel over the ethernet wire, > does it matter in that input anyway since it's not (or is it?) directly > connected to the digital audio circuits like SPDIF in is? Ethernet ports are connected through isolation transformers. These are good enough for networking but you know audiophiles... :-) -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35031 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
opaqueice;200735 Wrote: > I know some that do... but perhaps more would if there was something to > replace it? For example, a tax of some sort (on blank CDs for example) > which went to a fund to support artists and public art/music programs? > A system of artists-in-residence at the federal, state, county, city, > university level? More public funding for local orchestras and smaller > ensembles? Done well, it could lead to a huge increase in the amount of > music being made, and people's exposure to it. Done badly, it would > lead to a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy. Such a system we have here in the Netherlands and to be honest: It doesn't work. The foundation that collects the tax on blank CD's has around 70 million Euros waiting to be given to the artists... for more than 3 years... And all they can do is babble away about how they should divide it so each artist gets a fair share... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone with a Bryston amp/dac and SB/Transporter - How does the Bryston dac sound ?
Don't sell your FM tuner - particularly a good one! That would result in bad karma. After getting my SB3 to sound acceptable via an external DAC I stopped using my CD player. I don't remember the last time I had it on. I still listen to my FM tuner quite a lot however. -Ron -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 -> CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A -> Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max -> Sennheiser 650s *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34969 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread and have become more educated about the issues involved in DRM as a result. It's terrific that there are immensely qualified posters who are willing to engage willyhoops in this discussion. It is a compliment to this community that willyhoops is willing to voice a minority position opposed by many forum regulars. I would like to see more discussion around the trust relationships and their security enforcement mechanisms, since that appears to me to be at the heart of this debate. Someone posted an anlogy to credit card/bank transactions initiated by the account holder and conducted with a vendor, so that the security model of 'hidden key' is a successful solution for that relationship. Does the community's interest in secure retail transactions mean that hackers are the only ones attempting to bypass the security in financial systems? Are record companies and copyright estates the only ones interested in a DRM system? Are there any other analagous relationships, however imperfect, that we might use to shed more light on the situation? -- mark-e-mark mark-e-mark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?
I have a Musical Fidelity integrated playing my SB3 FLAC streams that are decoded by a Zhalou DAC from China. The MF is a solid-state machine, so what's a digital one? If you wish to post some links for my edification, I would certainly appreciate it. Cheers. -- mark-e-mark mark-e-mark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34233 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?
I hardly ever see folks mention Digital Preamps (Lexicon, Meridian, etc.). This is what the SqueezeBox really shines on. Allowing me to put ALL my music on the computer, not just CD's. You should hear for example Blue Man Group or Dark Side of the Moon in 5.1. It will blow you away. What's nice about these is you can Rip your music DVD-V's (DD/DTS) and DVD-A's (usually in DTS form) as well. Then the SqueezeBox can play back MultiChannel music in addition to 2 Channel Music. Digital Preamps run the full array of Price/Performance from your basic Yamamha/Denon to the top of the line Meridian/Lexicon. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34233 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200768 Wrote: > this post just annoyed me too much Oh good. :) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability" - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
the album was not free, they were just sending a free promo one to a journalist for review. no doubt they expect to sell cds and downloads when apple let them, that hardly invalidates the complaint against piracy (file sharing) and the importance of making money from selling music to the small artist. -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Kudos to them for expressing their concerns and feelings on the subject so well. It is ironic though, that this message was relayed to us via a CD that was given a way for free! Hmmm They are absolutely nuts though if they think they're going to make any kind of money selling CD's through normal retail channels. The only independent CD's I buy I get right at live shows (get 'em signed if I can), anything else I download. (legally) -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?
I found the stock SB3 to be about equal to most inexpensive cd/dvd players.. $100-$300 range.. Basically decent mass market sound. If you're going to use it in a revealing higher end system then either an outboard DAC or say Bolder Mods are the thing to do. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34233 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAD vs Cambridge Audio Amp advice
Lot's of great bookshelf speakers out there. Proac, Monitor Audio, Totem, B&W, just to name a few... Personally I'm a Proac lover, they just sound like music.. FWIW the older Studio 100 can do bass to about 40hz, not bad for a 6.5 inch woofer. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
i thought i would never write again on the subject here, but this post just annoyed me too much: [qoute]Some system of copyright protection is essential ... [but] The balance is hard to call, but I would fear that use of DRM (which strongly favours the copyright holder) would push the balance towards highly marketed artists, which would certainly not be a result I personally would like to see.> > > My explanations of how not selling music creates a media like world of > live TV / big concert / t-shirt sales that hits small artists but which > the big names can live with has not beeen enough. > > Neither has the last article from the guardian about the demise of the > small artist... > > So here is yet another... > > http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/04/has_illegal_downloading_gone_t.html > > Here is an extract from it: > > Last week, I received a promotional CD of Ma Fleur, the new album by > Cinematic Orchestra, a group on the independent label Ninja Tune. > Before I'd even played it (it's very good by the way), I was hooked by > the blurb on the sleeve. > > Usually, this is the bit of legal boilerplate where the label informs > you that illegal downloading is outright gangsterism and anyone who > practises it will be dragged outside to be shot like a dog, after which > their head will be exhibited on a spike outside the BPI headquarters as > a warning to others. > > But this one is different. "Before you copy, burn or upload these > recordings," it begins, "please take a moment to think about what > you're doing and what you're not doing. You are not 'sticking it to the > man'. You are not 'striking a blow against outdated copyright laws'. You > are not 'liberating content from the corporations'. Nor are you > 'promoting our records for us'. You are making it much harder for the > musicians in Cinematic Orchestra to make anything like a living wage > for creating the music which is good enough to give to friends and > associates." > > ...justifications ring hollow, especially when it comes to independent > artists... Filesharing raises the artist's profile? True, it can stoke > demand for live shows, and for licensing to TV, movies and advertisers, > but word-of-mouth promotion doesn't work if you're giving someone an > album instead of just telling them about it. According to Ninja Tune's > Will Ashon, who wrote the Ma Fleur text, the difference between an > independent album losing money and breaking even can be as little as > 1000 copies. > > I'll leave the last word to Ninja Tune: "By all means pirate the latest > corporate spew from major label central. But don't pretend it's the same > thing as copying this, because one day, when we're all gone and all > that's left is two or three giant multinational conglomerates putting > out lowest-common-denominator bollocks, you'll wish you hadn't." -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
krochat;199061 Wrote: > And, despite what the article says, the album is already available for > download at http://www.thecrimea.net/download/tabid/62/Default.aspx OT: I like this idea, I just wished I liked the music more. :-( -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
opaqueice;200735 Wrote: > For example, a tax of some sort (on blank CDs for example) which went to > a fund to support artists and public art/music programs? We have such a "wonderful" system in Canada. It's turned into another cash grab, but one of the original justifications for it was to compensate artists for the "inevitable" copying that would occur. Yet we still have this AND we also have DRM, the worst of both worlds. If the intentions around the blank media tarriff were factual, copying a CD would be entirely legal in Canada and DRM would be illegal (since it prevents the supposedly legal copying of a CD), but this isn't the case. Media companies conveniently skirt the issue and release CDs with the same protections as the American releases. Since many music releases can be obtained as downloads now, there's talk of extending the tax to blank hard drives. These would be taxed by the recording capacity. Could you imagine the extra cost added to a 500 GB drive if you consider how many 128 kbps MP3s could be fitted onto it? Insanity. Plus, of course, most of these downloads can't be copied anyway due to DRM. Thankfully we don't have laws like the DMCA. Yet. I say "yet" because the RIAA and MPAA are extending their tentacles over the border. The MPAA, for example, has invented statistics showing that "most" pirated movies come from Canada, the Montreal area to be specific, and announced just yesterday that to punish us for our sins there will be no more advanced screenings in the country. This is more to put pressure on politicians to make our laws more in line with those of the U.S. One thing to be proud of though, about 6 months ago, several prominent Canadian musicians spoke out against DRM. Unfortunately nothing has become of it. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
opaqueice;200735 Wrote: > For example, a tax of some sort (on blank CDs for example) which went to > a fund to support artists and public art/music programs? A system of > artists-in-residence at the federal, state, county, city, university > level? More public funding for local orchestras and smaller ensembles? > Done well, it could lead to a huge increase in the amount of music > being made, and people's exposure to it. Done badly, it would lead to > a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy. The problem with flat systems is that they tend to get distributed unfairly. Any 'unidentifiable' income for music reproduction is distributed in the same ratio as the total take, which is great for big artists but clearly unfair - but can we come up with a better system? Public funding is great, but in the UK it's being cut massively - we have an Olympics in 2012, and we're going to decimate the classical industry (and not even invest in grassroots sport) to pay for it! On Mozart, he may have been profligate but he was arguably the greatest music genius of all time. By any calculation, surely he should have earned more in real terms than the £600m fortune that Paul 'not even the most talented in his band' McCartney has amassed? Couldn't we allow Wolfy a few parties? ;) Some system of copyright protection is essential to reward the successful artists, and some amount of state (or rich benefactor) sponsorship should be there for the unrecognised talent. The balance is hard to call, but I would fear that use of DRM (which strongly favours the copyright holder) would push the balance towards highly marketed artists, which would certainly not be a result I personally would like to see. Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability" - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAD vs Cambridge Audio Amp advice
Thanks for all the info, I think I will go the NAD way as the couple I demoed sounded great. Been looking on ebay & I am currently bidding on 370C which looks ideal as it has plenty of power & more importantly a remote! Any idea about speakers, as I have also seen a pair of B&W DM601 S2 speakers which I think are similar to the ones my brother has and raves about. Are these up to a NAD370C? -- Moko Moko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10987 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking for tiny amp!
I recently brought a Trends Audio TA10 amp for use with my computer to drive a pair of LS3/5a clones. I am very pleased with the amp and the resultant sound. It has plenty of power for these relatively inefficient speakers, though I will note this is a seriously near-field listening environment. The amp also drives my old Stax electrostatic headphones quite nicely. I'd say the TA10 is a super buy for the money. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35073 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
opaqueice;200735 Wrote: > there's been music around for a long while :-). True - but home recording & playback equipment hasn't. Copying the score for a symphony doesn't remove the need for an orchestra to play it! -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
I was hoping you'd chime in on this - I'm very interested in your opinion. tomjtx;200728 Wrote: > > Composers did make money from their scores as did the publishers of > those scores. They are original work product and the composer has a > right to earn revenue. > > The printed disemination of those scores in turn increased the > popularity of the composer. If the publisher couldn't earn revenue from > the printing and distribution of the scores why would the publisher > incur the expense. But do you happen to know if this was enforced by law? I know in the states it wasn't possible to copyright musical scores until the early to mid 19th century, but I don't know about the Holy Roman Empire in the late 18th. In any case, if Mozart was a bad example, we can always go back earlier in time - there's been music around for a long while :-). > > Being a musician, I know a lot of musicians and none of them would > support abolishing all forms of copyright. > > However most musicians I know don't support the restrictions on fair > use that DRM causes. But that is a different issue. I know some that do... but perhaps more would if there was something to replace it? For example, a tax of some sort (on blank CDs for example) which went to a fund to support artists and public art/music programs? A system of artists-in-residence at the federal, state, county, city, university level? More public funding for local orchestras and smaller ensembles? Done well, it could lead to a huge increase in the amount of music being made, and people's exposure to it. Done badly, it would lead to a bloated and ineffective bureaucracy. A less radical option is simply to reform the system as it stands, and make sure most of the money goes directly to the artists and not to middlemen. That already seems to be happening, and I think the current struggles over DRM are part of it. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking for tiny amp!
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
opaqueice;200710 Wrote: > Because he was profligate, not because he had trouble making a living. > I've been to an apartment in Vienna he lived in - he had lots of money, > at least for a while. His patrons were grand dukes etc. Anyway the > point is there was a thriving music scene without copyright, as there > probably had been throughout human history. > > > > Mozart's fortunes did go up and down but not only because he was > profligate. > > He wasn't a good self manager and he often alienated his patrons. > > Composers did make money from their scores as did the publishers of > those scores. They are original work product and the composer has a > right to earn revenue. > > The printed disemination of those scores in turn increased the > popularity of the composer. If the publisher couldn't earn revenue from > the printing and distribution of the scores why would the publisher > incur the expense. > > Record companies do provide a service to the public and the artist > although I agree that the cos. make too much and the artist too > little. > > That may be changing as online self distribution by artists continues > to grow. They will have more bargaining power to negotiate better > contracts. > > Being a musician, I know a lot of musicians and none of them would > support abolishing all forms of copyright. > > > > However most musicians I know don't support the restrictions on fair > use that DRM causes. But that is a different issue. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Just ran into this in a Canadian Press article: "For their part, at least two of the recording companies will ask Jobs to sell a wider variety of content in digital bundles of songs, videos and other multimedia, according to two recording company executives familiar with their companies' plans. They spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the confidential nature of the negotiations." I really think our OP is more intimately involved in this issue than he lets on.. -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hardware & Ripping - Help an audiogeek newbie
Pale Blue Ego;200543 Wrote: > Heh...of course you can say it. Many of my finest digital files are > sourced from vinyl. In fact, the Squeezebox has rescued all of my old > QUAD LPs. I digitized them into DTS-encoded FLACs which the Squeezebox > is happy to play. Wow! Pale Blue, I'd love it if you created a new thread detailing how you created the DTS flac's from quad LP's! -- Rick B. Rick B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35076 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Robin Bowes;200696 Wrote: > > Actually, Mozart struggled to make a living and died poor - he was > buried in a pauper's grave. > Because he was profligate, not because he had trouble making a living. I've been to an apartment in Vienna he lived in - he had lots of money, at least for a while. His patrons were grand dukes etc. Anyway the point is there was a thriving music scene without copyright, as there probably had been throughout human history. Copying scores longhand really isn't very difficult, so that's not the explanation. What's different now is that there are new ways for musicians to make money which never existed before. Now they can sell recordings, and, in principle, earn a living. That's great, but it doesn't work - very few musicians make any money that way. So the system is broken, it isn't helping to create more art, and at the same time it's a great restriction on the public. That's exactly the situation where the law needs to be modified to make it less restrictive - but instead, the trend is the opposite, probably because corporations do make a lot of money from this, and they have a lot of power. It's interesting that what is happening is precisely what Jefferson feared - that creating even a limited monopoly like copyright would inevitably lead corporations to gain more and more power. As a result he was opposed to any form of copyright, and, ultimately, he may have been correct. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
opaqueice wrote: > It would be interesting to study the economics of music performance and > composition in the era before copyright, or before recorded music. > Mozart had no trouble making a living. Actually, Mozart struggled to make a living and died poor - he was buried in a pauper's grave. > Why didn't everyone else just > copy him? Why wasn't he destroyed by having every good idea > immediately stolen? I don't know the answer, but I suspect it's > similar to modern academia - everyone in the community knew Mozart, his > style, his famous works, and if people copied them it simply made him > more famous, more in demand to compose a new piece, or as a performer, > or to be the composer-in-residence, or as a teacher, etc. I suspect it was simply that it was harder to copy in those days - no media to record on, only live performances; no way to copy the scores easily, either copy out long-hand or expensive printing process. Today, we can rip a CD in minutes or copy the music files. We can also easily reproduce scores/music. > > What's wrong with that as a model for music today? Er, it's about 250 years out of date! R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Mark Lanctot;200587 Wrote: > But there already is such a thing: a DSD decoding chip, necessary for > SACD playback. That sure proved popular... Actually DSD isn't encryption, it's just a different way of using digital bits to encode an analogue waveform. The AK4396 DAC used in the Transporter can actually decode it. Given that SACD is backwards compatible with most CD players, the only reason I can think of as to why it didn't take off, is that customers simply didn't care enough about the higher quality, so didn't ask for it. If it costs more (even fractionally more) to produce, but customers don't really want it, then labels won't make them. Puts the whole 'throw away your equipment so you can have 96/24 quality' argument into perspective, doesn't it? -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Personal Introductions: Please Make This a Sticky!
I have an insatiable love for music which i have had since i was a wee tacker. Music is my escape my nirvana. With a collection of around 3000 cd's and growing 3000 albums and shrinking (but never to be lost) i was after a better way of playing my music. The vinyl is a different kettle of fish and i love the ritual involved, it was more the Cd's on the floor and the room they take up. also i wanted good quality 'convenient' music i that makes sense. Being an member of some audio group discussion in Australia the Squeezebox has come up a few times and i thought it time to investigate. On the recommendation of a friend and without listening to one i bought a SB3 and had it modified at Bolder before shipping to Australia where it has since blown me away. I joined this forum i guess to keep up with what advancements are going on and what my next step will be most likely will be guided at some stage by this forum and the associated products. My setup is in my signature, im a skeptic when it comes to 'snake oil' which abounds in HiFi, but each to their own. I also understand that for me nothing is more important than the music and my passion is driven by that. -- el_hefty Inputs - SB3 (Bolder Cables mods) , Marantz SA-14 sacd , Michell transcriptor turntable Jasmine phone stage Pre Amp - Audio Alchemy Digital line controller Power Amp - Marantz 510m modified Headphone setup - Ming Da MC66-AE Headphone Amp Sennheiser HD-650 cans Speakers - Dynaudio Audience 50's el_hefty's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11485 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30141 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 is equivalent to which CD Players or DACs?
I got my SB3 yesterday with mods by Bolder cables to the analogue and digital stages, in my opinion listening to it against my Marantz sa-14 the SB3 is the winner Boy am i happy so far ;) -- el_hefty el_hefty's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11485 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34233 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
