Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
> 9/11 absolutely was an inside job, no possible doubt I am curious - Is this a joke or do you really believe it? -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SqueezeBox + computer + QUAD 12L Active + DAC
Hi, If I'm getting this right, then you have confused the concepts of computer soundcard and Squeezebox. Generally, you use either one or another. If you use SB, then the quality of the sound coming from it has nothing to do with your computer soundcard. You can also connect the soundcard directly to your amp/active speakers, completely bypassing the SB. In either case, it would be going from the analog output of SB or soundcard into analog input of the amp/active speakers. For the detailed instructions and thorough clarification of the concept of SB, check out Wiki and other numerous posts in beginner and general forums. If you throw the DAC into the combination, it would be to replace either SB's or soundcard's internal DAC with (hopefully) better one. SB3 and most of better soundcards have digital outputs (optical or coaxial) that will go into the external DAC. From there, it's directly into the analog input of the amp or active speakers. But just wait a little. Once you hear SB, you'll know whether you want/need better DAC. Same, but even stronger, can be said for the upgrades to SB. Wait until you get familiar with the SB (and looks like you have a lot to learn and play with) and then see for yourself if you need to upgrade it. -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35176 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
tyler_durden;201148 Wrote: > Nobody answered my question! > > TD Have your dentist coat the fillings with C37 laquer. (NB. Sound will not settle without the requisite two weeks of chew-in) -- muski SB3->Bryston BP25DA->Bryston 4B-SST->Watt Puppy 7s Transporter->Headrom Max Balanced Amp->Balanced AKG701s muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SqueezeBox + computer + QUAD 12L Active + DAC
I have a few questions, but i am not an audiophile high - end user or expert. So the questions maybe appear stupid. Anyway, i will be wery pleased if you take your time and answer. I am considering a purschase of Quad 12L Active studio monitors http://www.whats-new-at-totallywired.com/march2007news.html. When they comes to dealer in Norway. I know, they are primary ment for use in music - recording not audiophile lissening. I will listen to them connected to my computer first. The setup will be computer - Squeezebox - 12L`s ative - possibly with an external DAC in the future in this line of setup. Computer Squeezebox 12L`s active. Where shoud the external DAC be placed ? I think computer - Squeezebox - (here)DAC - 12L`s active. If i`m wrong, make it rihgt for me please. In this case of set up, will the computer soundcards quatilty and DAC`s have an impact of the sound ? Will the computers soundcard just be a transporter of audio bits. Soundcard is M - audio revolution 7.1 with only mini jack`s, but have digital out SP/DIF (or is it coaxil out ?). http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Revolution71-main.html Will a card like M - audiphile 24/192 give better result in a audophile matter ? http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Audiophile192-main.html Is digital out the same as SP/DIF ? If so, when using this SP/DIF connection, do i bypass the soundcards DAC`s ? Maybe thats the point, if my goal is to acheive best possible stereo audio with use of extarnal DAC`s and Squeezebox with this equipment? Try to correct me if i`m wrong. How do i connect this gear ? Then, if SP/DIF bypasses DAC`s, do i have to use analog outs from the external DAC`s connected directelly to the 12L`s active ? Is it DAC`s in amplifiers ? If it is, can i use the DAC`s on the 12L`s active amplifier instead of an external DAC ? Will an external DAC give better audio resolution ? Is it possible to get use of several DAC`s for example 2 - 3 ? Can you help us providing a guide on how to connect computer - Squeezebox - extarnal DAC - 12L active`s ? What kind of cables form soundcard - Squeezebox - external DAC - 12L active`s. What kind of cable from what kind of output/input. Do only need a guide on how to connect this gear. Software and drivers i will install quite well, i think. What kind of mods to Squeezebox 3 do you suggest, with this gear ? After maybe just reading spesifications of this gear do you think it will be better audo resolutions, after modding SB3 and with use of external DAC ? What kind of external DAC do you suggest ? Can I use MHdt Labs Paradisea + when I dont have tube amplifier ? Do I have to go for MHT Labs Constantine ? First I have to purschase the 12L active and the Squeezebox. Then I have to save some money 3 4 mounts before I purschase a DAC. And some money saving again so i can afford a mod on the Squeezebox. I am living alone with my 15 years old son and sometimes some of his friends in the same 25 squaremeter room. So we both need a decent sound since we have to listen to each others music taste either we will or not. But we like the same music pretty often. If the sound is okay we both will have a nice time. Me and my son will be wery pleased for answers to these questions. Best regards Terje and Daniel -- eiret eiret's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11521 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35176 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200953 Wrote: > I saw the article by Janis Ian. I can't see the bit where he got to 2% > but it looks like a complete junk article. For example: > > > > Even the copyright abolish fans here are surley not arging that file > sharing has had no financial hard on anyone. > > There is no quality control on the internet. If you search around you > will find that September the 11th was a US / Israeli plot as well. And > Dianna was murdered by the MI6. And that they never landed on the > moon... Do you believe these things as well? Sure, file sharing might have had an effect. But so might the availability of other forms of entertainment, an overall lousy product, or any number of other factors. This has been analyzed quite a bit by numerous people, and it really isn't all that clear that the troubles of the big music companies are all caused by file sharing. They've certainly claimed this, but correlation isn't causation, as you well know (or should anyway), and they certainly have offered nothing in the way of solid arguments for this claim. Most of the music I buy (I've bought ~300 cds in the last year) is on small specialist jazz labels, which seem to be resurgent, so, again, I'd really want to see some better evidence in order to accept that there's an overall crisis in music making. As to your "argument" about the janis ian thing: all you've done is spout ad hominems. Tell us something specific that's wrong with her claims. Regarding your arguments by authority, they're plainly laughable. The Guardian is certainly not immune to publishing nonsense when it comes to technology, so I wouldn't exactly take them as the final arbiter of anything. As far as quality control on the internet goes: this seems to be another of your unintentionally self-referential statements :) -- totoro squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe My system consists of the following: SB3 > CIAudio DAC VDA-2 with VAC-1 Power supply > Dynaco PAS-3 preamp > Dynaco ST-70 both with Curcio Audio Engineering premium mods. Speakers are DIY Fostex FE166ES-R in factory recommended backloaded horn with Fostex T90 supertweeters. The subwoofer is a DIY ported design using a Seas L26. +---+ |Filename: IMGP3075.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2786| +---+ -- Badwater Badwater's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200953 Wrote: > There is no quality control on the internet. If you search around you > will find that September the 11th was a US / Israeli plot as well. And > Dianna was murdered by the MI6. And that they never landed on the > moon... Do you believe these things as well? 9/11 absolutely was an inside job, no possible doubt. Diana I have not researched except to note that Charles specifically threatened her with that exact outcome should she continue to date the Arab. The moon landing was real, however. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;201044 Wrote: > how about this? It's nice, but if you are the artist don't you want to add a copyright blurb, so that I don't steal it for my Web site/clip art cd project? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone with a Bryston amp/dac and SB/Transporter - How does the Bryston dac sound ?
Kinda of like comparing good analog to digital... If you listen to digital only long enough, and then listen to good vinyl :-) ahh music. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34969 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bryston B100 Integrated with DAC
I suggest that you decide on speakers first, then match an amp to them... Usually better system synergy this way.. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
Brilliant. I hope it isn't copyrighted :-). -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
Nobody answered my question! TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
seanadams;200910 Wrote: > You claim that an > (X) hypothetical > > improvement in sound quality can be attained by: > (X) removing bits of metal from skull > > Your idea will not work. Specifically, it fails to account for: > (X) the placebo effect > (X) your ears honestly aren't that good > (X) that's not how TCP/IP works > (X) bits are bits > > Your subsequent arguments will probably appeal in desperation to such > esoterica as: > (X) jitter > (X) EMI > (X) existentialism > > And you will then change the subject to: > (X) you can't prove what I can't hear > (X) science isn't everything > > Rather than engage in this tired discussion, I suggest exploring the > following factors which are more likely to improve sound quality in > your situation: > (X) Q-tips Hilarious! . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
And thanks to TD for setting it up. Steve. -- SteveEast SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
SteveEast;201140 Wrote: > And thanks to TD for setting it up. I wonder how long Sean has had that form lying around waiting for such a nicely delivered straight line setup. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
ROFL Sean originated the company and was the chief designer of the Squeezebox and the Transporter... He has now also invented the automated forum response checklist. It must have taken some preparation, but it should now be seen as the gold standard when addressing more esoteric and off-the wall questions. Probably the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum! -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bryston B100 Integrated with DAC
Yes, nice to read that review -- Anne Squeezebox 3 > Stereovox XV2 > Bryston B100-DA SST > Martin Logan Aeon I. Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bryston B100 Integrated with DAC
If SB3 connectivity is important, you might want to look at our Symphony integrated amplifier as well. It will deliver clean DC to your Squeezebox as well (+DAC module) -- mglaudiolabs Regards, Michael MGL Audio Laboratories, Inc. www.mglaudiolabs.com mglaudiolabs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bryston B100 Integrated with DAC
Hey everyone. I'm circling around getting a real hi-fi system and I just read this review http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/407bryston/ of Bryston's new integrated with an onboard dac. What's appealing about the idea of getting it is that I'd really be done: get a good pair of speakers and plug in my Squeezebox. The other route I'm thinking is getting a PrimaLuna Dialouge Integrated or Monoblocks and hooking up a transporter to that. In the end, I'd save $ by going the Bryston route. Anyone have thoughts on the Bryston, so-called "neutral" sound, and how it would interact with the SB? -- Gibson78 Gibson78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops wrote: > but come on - have you ever had an intelligent rational debate with a > folk singing lesbian? :-) You know Willy, I had you down as many things; learning that you're a female folkie surprises me. ;) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
If you have a decent AV-capable pre all this hassle can be avoided. If you are going to have a system in one room that can "do it all" then you really need to get to grips with the idea that a you do not need 2 pre-amps. I realise that "decent" means expensive but then - this is the Audiophile forum. Peronally, I want 2.1 for stereo (from DAC analogue out) and 5.1 for AV (from DVD player DTS/Dolby Digital digital out) from a single Pre-amp with NO switching except from my remote. There are plenty of systems that can do this - Linn, Naim. Meridian etc. YMMV. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
As the Transporter is a digital preamp an option would be to take the front L/R channel outputs into an analogue-to-digital converter and feed the digital signal into the Transporter. For HT you switch to the digital inputs on the Transporter otherwise you use the Transporter as normal. I used to use a M-Audio Flying Cow in this manner but with a DAC rather than the Transporter, on HT the A/D conversion isn't audible. Regards Gary -- GaryG GaryG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
I am not seeing a problem with 24/96 FLAC on my SB3 but then I do not use the screensavers - just artist name and the small graphic analyser. I will try playing a file with the VU meters on and see what happens. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
It looks like bugs # 4886 and 4562 are relevant. I am going to try the flac - flac transcoding to level 0 that was mentioned and see if that fixes the problem for my SB3. -Ron -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 -> CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A -> Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max -> Sennheiser 650s *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
discocarp;201012 Wrote: > So the original poster wants to use a different amp in HT from 2ch? Is > that the piece of the puzzle I was missing? > Yes, but that would require switching speaker cables. I did some more looking at the link I posted earlier, and I believe this is what you can do: The RCA and Balanced output the same thing, but you'll need a way to set the levels properly as one is 6dB louder. Since the Moscode will be sitting there anyway, you may as well use it for the mains while using surround sound as well: Transporter balanced out->Pre/Pro Balanced Analog Input... AVM50 Balanced output to Rear L/R and Center Balanced Input on MCA50>3.1 speakers. AVM50 Unbalanced output to Moscode amp>Front L/R speakers. You should then be able to set the balanced analog input to direct bypass, and the HDMI input to 5.1, while using the same front speakers. The RCA analog output from the Transporter could also be ran directly to the input of the moscode, if you felt like switching the RCA's occasionally for critical listening. You can use the analog attenuation built into the Transporter to match levels there. And then there's the digital output of the Transporter you could send to the AVM50 to compare the sound... -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;201036 Wrote: > actually from a major national uk newspaper! Oh well, if it's in a UK newspaper it must be true then, the papers never tell porkies do they ;) -- Rangdo GRONDA GRONDA SB 2 [Stereovox XV2] > Benchmark DAC1 [NVA Soundpipe] > Cyrus Pre Xvs [NVA Soundpipe] > Cyrus X-Power [Chord Rumour 4] > MA GR20 Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Bugger! A TP it will have to be then. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Heuer;201051 Wrote: > Interesting as the only reason I am contemplating buying a Transporter > is for the 24/96 capability (I use an external DAC). Maybe SD are > deliberately clamping down the resoultion to avoid impacting TP sales. > > Wonder if there is a work around? There's a difference in processor speed (325Mhz vs. 250Mhz according to their website) between TP and SB. Under special circumstances - see bug database - even 325Mhz are not enough, hence not possible for the "slower" SB. regards, Markus -- schiegl schiegl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
This is what is happening with the SB3 as well, but it never does get a grip unless you turn off the complex screensaver. With the SB3, decimating the 96kHz stream to 48kHz is also an additional workload. I also find that the noise floor present while streaming a Linn Records 96kHz flac to the SB3 is significantly higher than streaming a 48kHz version of the same thing created by Audacity. -Ron -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 -> CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A -> Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max -> Sennheiser 650s *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
one of the best postings i read the last time. substance and humor: kudos! -- schiegl schiegl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
Oooh my, that's a keeper! A perfect template response for some of the sillier stuff that happens here.. ho we! -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Timothy Stockman;200581 Wrote: > What's at the beginning of the file? (Track 2 - "Forget Me") Nothing > out-of-the-ordinary that I can see. First view is the beginning of the > file, showing intertrack "silence", then the cymbal hit followed by the > first piano note. In the second, the vertical scale is blown up so you > can see the silence is very low level noise. Then, just before .43 > seconds, you can see track noise appear, followed by the cymbal hit at > .48 seconds. Nothing fishy that should produce any audible effects. After further unstructured experiment (i.e playing some tracks) I am pretty sure this "burbling" effect is the TP getting up to speed with the 24/96 data stream which I suspect is close to the limits of what the processing power of the unit can handle. It feels to me like it is filling some kind of internal buffer or pipeline before it "gets a grip" and then plays OK. However at some later stage it can fall behind again if it has to do much else, such as running a more complex screen saver, and the effect reappears. My experience is that once you go through the initial disturbance, and assuming you are not taxing the processing power with much else, you can play through the whole album with no re-occurance, but if you stop and restart you get the effect again for a short period. YMMV, davep -- davep davep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;201036 Wrote: > Provide some evidence for it???!!! > > Not to mention the logical arguments... HAVE YOU READ THE TWO ARTICLES > I ALREADY POSTED HERE? > Not from a folk singing lesbian... actually from a major national uk > newspaper! oh yea, and if you are not from the uk... the newspaper is > the best here after the Financial Times and has a left wing slant... I'm sorry I don't really recall anything in those articles that particularly supported your arguments! There was this though from an independent artist getting free publicity that very specifically flies in the face of your arguments!: "By all means pirate the latest corporate spew from major label central. But don't pretend it's the same thing as copying this, because one day, when we're all gone and all that's left is two or three giant multinational conglomerates putting out lowest-common-denominator bollocks, you'll wish you hadn't." Clearly, this is a band that prefers a distribution system that involves hundreds or thousands of operating companies, who obviously are not going to be able to implement any sort of DRM system that relies on every single company/artist/label agreeing to a hardware standard that limits fair use! If the big labels want to go ahead and try to implement a hypothetical DRM that requires everybody to buy new hardware, let them go ahead and try! I think they'll quickly find that they're losing all their business to the competition that provides non-DRM music. And then they'll start to lose their artists too.. -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Interesting as the only reason I am contemplating buying a Transporter is for the 24/96 capability (I use an external DAC). Maybe SD are deliberately clamping down the resoultion to avoid impacting TP sales. Wonder if there is a work around? -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Heuer;201015 Wrote: > The SB3 will only do 24/48 regardless of f/w - I have 81 installed. My > 24/96 FLAC files play at 24/48. The Transporter does do 24/96 according > to the specs. IIRC the SB3 DAC IC is capable of 24/96, so any restriction must be either down to processing power, or firmware, or both. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Very good likeness -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
how about this? +---+ |Filename: pic.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2784| +---+ -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Yes, but what about a picture of Sillyhoops? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
provide some evidence for it! not to mention the logical arguments... HAVE YOU READ THE TWO ARTICLES I ALREADY POSTED HERE? Not from a folk singing lesbian... actually from a major national uk newspaper! oh yea, and if you are not from the uk... the newspaper is the best here after the Financial Times and has a left wing slant... -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200958 Wrote: > Thats a nice story and its keeping sales alive at the moment. But when > the consumer looses all interest in physical CDs, why would he download > a free lossless CD and then like it and then buy exactly the same thing > again. RIAA reports sales by value including both CDs and Digital > downaloads as down 6.5% in 2006 and year on year falls in several > previous years as well. But in a future without DRM the numbers are > expected to get much worse. When you buy from allofmp3.com or file > share artists and record companies get nothing. Hence the move away > from selling music to making money off live tv and events being tested > by the major lables. This is disasterous for smaller artists. Would you please stop saying this? Especially the bit about "disasterous for smaller artists", unless you can really provide some backup for it! I've pointed out before that falling revenues for the major labels are an empty argument. If music-buying dollars are being more heavily distributed to independent labels and artists directly (ie. emusic.com is good evidence), that is a good thing for smaller artists! If you mean smaller artists trying to make it big via the major labels, maybe they just need to take another look at their approach - there are other options out there! -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
ah here is willyhoops the troll... +---+ |Filename: 14.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2783| +---+ -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200958 Wrote: > Hence the move away from selling music to making money off live tv and > events being tested by the major lables. This is disasterous for > smaller artists. Um. Record Labels don't make moneey off live shows and events. That is how artists make money: and how they have made money for the last 30 years. It is hardly disasterous for smalller artists: smaller artists make virtually all of their money from live shows. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Here is the troll... [image: http://www.whatwhatclub.co.uk/images/14.jpg] :-) -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Trolls are particularly nasty creatures. Their maloderous emissions(both olfactory and verbal) are particularly irritating. They are lonely, ugly, misshapen creatures whose bad breath is only exceeded by their bad temperment. Due to their inordinate lack of social graces they are unable to engage in civil discourse even though their greatest desire is acceptance by the very people they annoy. I would post pictures of Sillyhoops but the sight of such an ugly creature would likely cause mass illness of forum members and result in the closing of slimdevices itself. BTW: :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
BigTony;200989 Wrote: > I think this is a reference to that well know 'myth' of Joan Rivers > picking up radio signals in her mouth when driving around hollywood in > the 1940's. Speculation was that the amalgam in her mouth picked up > radio waves etc... or she was a drunk old bat ... seems that science > went for the '.. drunk old bat' solution. > > BT Heh it was actually Lucille Ball, the MythBusters did a segment on this a while back. :) -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
The SB3 will only do 24/48 regardless of f/w - I have 81 installed. My 24/96 FLAC files play at 24/48. The Transporter does do 24/96 according to the specs. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
Mark Lanctot;201006 Wrote: > All the preouts presently go to the OP's multichannel amp though, unless > there was a secondary set, which would then eliminate the need for the > 2-channel preamp (just go directly to the 2-channel amp and put the > Transporter on one of the pre/pro's inputs.) So the original poster wants to use a different amp in HT from 2ch? Is that the piece of the puzzle I was missing? And if it were me I'd still rather have a separate 2ch preamp to put the transporter into rather than the ht processor, even in direct mode. But I suppose that is for each person to decide for themselves. :) If the transporter had ht bypass this wouldn't even be a discussion hehe! -- discocarp discocarp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
seanadams wrote: Nice for letter. You forgot a couple... > Rather than engage in this tired discussion, I suggest exploring the > following factors which are more likely to improve sound quality in > your situation: > > ( ) room acoustics ( ) single malt scotch ( ) aged Kentucky bourbon ( ) 1974 Château d'Yquem ( ) Cuban cigar -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
tomjtx;200975 Wrote: > Starve the troll, save the world Ah Heroes, there should be another to download soon. Who cares about music copyright when TV shows are whizzing around the ether within minutes of ending? It's an outrage... -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us ... condemning [young soldiers] to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability" - George Bush Snr, 1998 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
discocarp;201003 Wrote: > HT processor--(preouts)-->2 ch preamp-->2 ch power amp-->speakers All the preouts presently go to the OP's multichannel amp though, unless there was a secondary set, which would then eliminate the need for the 2-channel preamp (just go directly to the 2-channel amp and put the Transporter on one of the pre/pro's inputs.) -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
Skunk;200999 Wrote: > His preamp can do that. The problem is having speaker wire going to the > moscode when he wants to watch movies. > > My latest thought was to leave the moscode connected to the mains at > all times, and send only the front 2 channels from the pre processor to > it even in theater mode, while the other channels go to the theater amp. > Not sure if that's an option though. I must be misunderstanding the problem. The hookup I was suggesting is along these lines: HT processor--(preouts)-->2 ch preamp-->2 ch power amp-->speakers with the transporter also plugged into the 2ch preamp (as a non ht bypass input). How is his setup different that would make this not work? -- discocarp discocarp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
Skunk;200999 Wrote: > My latest thought was to leave the moscode connected to the mains at all > times, and send only the front 2 channels from the pre processor to it > even in theater mode, while the other channels go to the theater amp. This is really the only way to do it at this point. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
discocarp;200994 Wrote: > Completely skip the processor when listening to 2ch. His preamp can do that. The problem is having speaker wire going to the moscode when he wants to watch movies. My latest thought was to leave the moscode connected to the mains at all times, and send only the front 2 channels from the pre processor to it even in theater mode, while the other channels go to the theater amp. Not sure if that's an option though. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
Sean: Well crafted, thought out answer... but I would recommend an acoustically transparent fermi cage for the OP's head, or maybe just dental floss - farmed in Montanna of course. Best chuckle in a long time! ~A -- alZmtbr alZmtbr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
That's what a home theater bypass does. It lets one input pass through from the processor to the amp without any volume control applied (so the processor controls the volume on that input). This feature would have been godly on the transporter, its a shame its not there. You can put the processor in direct mode as someone said above. Doing this you're basically just treating the transporter like any other 2ch input. However, IMO a 2ch preamp with HT bypass is the best solution. Completely skip the processor when listening to 2ch. -- discocarp discocarp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
well i knew it would annoy a little... but come on - have you ever had an intelligent rational debate with a folk singing lesbian? :-) willy the 'troll' -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
I think this is a reference to that well know 'myth' of Joan Rivers picking up radio signals in her mouth when driving around hollywood in the 1940's. Speculation was that the amalgam in her mouth picked up radio waves etc... or she was a drunk old bat ... seems that science went for the '.. drunk old bat' solution. BT -- BigTony We're Only In It For The Music! www.zappateers.com BigTony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10638 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Using Transporter as a pre amp has me puzzled.
I have been reading about modified equipment, now just a thought, would it be possible for one of these specialist companies to put an analogue input on to the transporter, which would run to the existing analogue outputs - switchable from transporter to analogue in? Allowing pre-outs for example from an AV amp, to output everyting pluged into the av amp, to pass via the transporter to the power amp for the front speakers. :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35144 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
AndyC_772;200939 Wrote: > > "I'm bored and have way too much free time now that we're part of a big > company. I want to go off and do another start-up..." Well if there is a no-compete agreement I say Sean should just run for president. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
totoro;200983 Wrote: > Her sexuality is relevant to the discussion in what way? So far, most of > what I've seen from you in this debate is ad hominems, blanket > assertions, and strawmen. But this particular ad hominem is just too > much. > > You are a boor, a jackass, and an idiot. You forgot troll. :) I've been following this discussion. Its amazing to me that its actually been a pretty good discussion despite being started and fueled by a troll. -- discocarp discocarp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200964 Wrote: > ah i checked on wiki... she is an uneducated lesbian folk singer and > outspoken critic of the RIAA who has herself sold a lot of records. > well she must be smart then... > > share price of majors has been beaten down and now there in interest in > them. maybe you have seen, for example, the private equity bid stories > on emi. only the little companies are trash. personally i would love to > invest in a drm that will put the world to rights and make the entire > sector a massive buy but nothing yet... Her sexuality is relevant to the discussion in what way? So far, most of what I've seen from you in this debate is ad hominems, blanket assertions, and strawmen. But this particular ad hominem is just too much. You are a boor, a jackass, and an idiot. -- totoro squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
It is not a static playing field - I agree. Is the issue chipsets? The TP DAC is very advanced and could support all of the formats mentioned. The TP implementation does not support 88.2 for some reason other than a chip. It is not the server side since this is streaming data bits and does not depend on chips to do what it needs to do so that it can run on many platforms. There are network issues, especially wireless, which will create issues with these large files. I had posted earlier in this Forum about the TP and its lack of support for Draft-n. People do not seem to understand that the actual data throughput of b and g are much lower than published bit rates, especially in a network that also has teenagers using it All this aside, I am still curious if anyone actually knows the answer to the questions on supported formats. Anyone? -- PNCD PNCD's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10778 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
PNCD;200915 Wrote: > It also seems to me that this is a vulnerability in SD's master plan - I > am better off using a configurable PC and NAS as my system because at > least I can control the technical parameters explicitly, though I loose > convenience and elegance. With SD what I see is not always what I > get. Remember that this is not a static playing field, and that when the chipsets come down enough in price, you're likely to see end-devices like SB capable of handling higher-frequency stuff (whether or not you will actually be able to hear the difference). And of course SS is constantly evolving. The value of SB/SS has more to do with its elegant distribution capabilities, pretty hard to duplicate with PC solutions except perhaps at unreasonable cost. -- Balthazar_B Balthazar_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7366 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
I will be here tonight dressed in a smoking jacket so feel free to contine the debate in person if you live in London... www.whatwhatclub.co.uk -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Starve the troll, save the world -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
Love it !! -- ncpl ncpl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6305 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
The way you describe her, tells us enough about you... And you still never countered any arguments given here against DRM... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
ah i checked on wiki... she is an uneducated lesbian folk singer and outspoken critic of the RIAA. well she must be smart then... i am looking to invest but nothing yet... -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200958 Wrote: > Thats a nice story and its keeping sales alive at the moment. But when > the consumer looses all interest in physical CDs, why would he download > a free lossless CD and then like it and then buy exactly the same thing > again. Well as I already had the download, there was actually little point in buying the CD other than to show my support by buying it - I haven't bothered to rip it again as I'm sure I couldn't do a better job and after reading the liner the CD is now in storage. No suggestion I wouldn't do the same with downloads. I don't care about statistics saying sales are down - stats can be made to tell any story they want. When someone can give me a full analysis of how income has changed vs the various products that can be bought with said income, cross-referenced with the size of the record companies catalogue and mapped against *accurate* downloading figures then I won't believe what the stats tell me. I know I don't have the money to buy *all* the games I want, and see *all* the movies I want, and buy *all* the CDs I want - something has to give somewhere. It's probably not too great a leap of faith to assume some of the money that used to be spent on music now disappears on video games, or DVDs. The companies need to stop bleating and blaming illicit downloading for their own ineptitude. Get some quality artists on book and support them, fan loyalty would go a long way to increasing revenue for them. Most young people I know only buy 'Now That's What I Call Music 199' compilation albums as they're only interested, generally, in 1 track by any particular artist. Most of them are here today, gone tomorrow, manufactured pap - it's a stretch to call them artists (well, maybe p155 artists!!). -- Rangdo GRONDA GRONDA SB 2 [Stereovox XV2] > Benchmark DAC1 [NVA Soundpipe] > Cyrus Pre Xvs [NVA Soundpipe] > Cyrus X-Power [Chord Rumour 4] > MA GR20 Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200953 Wrote: > I saw the article by Janis Ian. I can't see the bit where he got to 2% > but it looks like a complete junk article. For example: > > > > Even the copyright abolish fans here are surley not arging that file > sharing has had no financial hard on anyone. > > There is no quality control on the internet. If you search around you > will find that September the 11th was a US / Israeli plot as well. And > Dianna was murdered by the MI6. And that they never landed on the > moon... Do you believe these things as well? Do you at all know who Janis Ian is? If you call that article a junk article it's obvious who you are. So tell me, how much did your company invest in a DRM company or how much did you get paid by the RIAA and consorts... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Thats a nice story and its keeping sales alive at the moment. But when the consumer looses all interest in physical CDs, why would he download a free lossless CD and then like it and then buy exactly the same thing again. RIAA reports sales by value including both CDs and Digital downaloads as down 6.5% in 2006 and year on year falls in several previous years as well. But in a future without DRM the numbers are expected to get much worse. When you buy from allofmp3.com or file share artists and record companies get nothing. Hence the move away from selling music to making money off live tv and events being tested by the major lables. This is disasterous for smaller artists. -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Well, one small example for you - take it how you will. I recently saw an album available for download in lossless format - obviously not an official source ;) This is how I like to try out new stuff, after all if I want a new car I can test drive it first, I can try on new clothes prior to purchase, etc, etc. I see no reason why I should gamble my hard-earned on a CD when maybe the 1 track played on the radio is the only decent thing on there. I liked it, I ordered it online - while waiting for it to arrive I told one of my mates about it, forwarded him a track. He also liked it and received his CD yesterday. 2 sales from an illegal download - someone's benefitted there, artist, record company, Amazon, etc. -- Rangdo GRONDA GRONDA SB 2 [Stereovox XV2] > Benchmark DAC1 [NVA Soundpipe] > Cyrus Pre Xvs [NVA Soundpipe] > Cyrus X-Power [Chord Rumour 4] > MA GR20 Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
I saw the article by Janis Ian. I can't see the bit where he got to 2% but it looks like a complete junk article. For example: > There is zero evidence that material available for free online > downloading is financially harming anyone. In fact, most of the hard > evidence is to the contrary. Even the copyright abolish fans here are surley not arging that file shaming has had no financial hard on anyone. There is no quality control on the internet. If you search around you will find that September the 11th was a US / Israeli plot as well. And that they never landed on the moon... Do you believe these things as well? -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200946 Wrote: > So you think that 2% of the CD sale price does to the artist if they are > lucky. I think you've mis-interpreted, the point being made is only a fraction of the CD cost actually goes to the artist - NOT that servies thinks the artist should only get 2%. -- Rangdo GRONDA GRONDA SB 2 [Stereovox XV2] > Benchmark DAC1 [NVA Soundpipe] > Cyrus Pre Xvs [NVA Soundpipe] > Cyrus X-Power [Chord Rumour 4] > MA GR20 Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200923 Wrote: > The obvious way to distrubute the money is based on survey of pirate > content although this is hard to measure for real small artists... Eg > iPod survey information shows today that under 5% of the music on an > iPod is purchased through the iTunes store. You seem to be implying that the other 95% is made of illegal downloads. But of course it also includes legal downloads from stores other than iTMS (presumably only stores without DRM), and songs ripped from one's own CD collection (fair use in many countries). willyhoops;200928 Wrote: > So how does this all relate to our DRM debate? The iTunes & Microsoft > Play4Sure DRMs were cracked becuase like the HD DVD DRM they relied on > software ticks not heavy duty hardware to protect them. The next > generation of DRM will not do this and will be secure. Sometimes I get > annoyed that not everyone here understands this becuase unless someone > does debating with them is utterly pointless. Hardware is more secure than software, but is not guaranteed to be secure. But crucially it requires consumer buy-in -- I'd have to be convinced to spend extra money on a dedicated device, or component of my PC, in order to support the DRM they want to sell me. How am I going to be convinced that this is worth spending money on? It seems that the new hardware will restrict what I can do with the music I've paid for, and only offer richer tags and ultra-high quality. Richer tags, artwork etc would be nice, of course, but not nice enough to justify the expense since I can enter the data myself (and be more sure that it's accurate and in a format to my liking). And the thing to remember about higher quality is this: most people won't care about it, because they can't hear it. I can't tell the difference between lossy and lossless encoding, so increasing the bit-depth and sample rate doesn't interest me. Most people, happy with clipped CDs and FM radio, will settle for even less. willyhoops;200946 Wrote: > So you think that 2% of the CD sale price does to the artist if they are > lucky. Common sense should tell you that this is junk. No one can make a > living from that. I was guessing around 10% (same as a book) or 15%+ for > very established artists. Even 10% sounds low but you have to remember > there is a lot to promoting books and cds. You can self publish but > most people go the 10% route unless no one likes their work. > > A quick check at a harvard law web site gave me this:> > > In Great Britain > [typically] 17% goes to a combination of the composer, > > the music publisher, and the recording artist.> > The music publisher is the record company. We don't know how much of that 17% they take. And (assuming the artist wrote their songs, which is not always the case) the remainder is offset by paying back an advance to the record company. -- smst smst's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200946 Wrote: > So you think that 2% of the CD sale price does to the artist if they are > lucky. Common sense should tell you that this is junk. No one can make a > living from that. I was guessing around 10% (same as a book) or 15%+ for > very established artists. Even 10% sounds low but you have to remember > there is a lot of cuts taken from the sale price of a cd and promotion > is costy. > > A quick check at a harvard law web site gave me this: You didn't read the article by Janis Ian didn't you... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
> from 10 euro cd artist gets maybe some 20 cents if they're lucky So you think that 2% of the CD sale price does to the artist if they are luyky. Common sense should tell you that is junk. I was guessing arount 10% same as a book but more for very established artists. A quick check at a harvard law web site gave me this: > > * Currently, when a CD is sold [in the United States], 35 percent of > the retail price goes to the store, 27 percent to the record company, > 16 percent to the artist, 13 percent to the manufacturer and 9 percent > to the distributor." See Strauss, "Pennies That Add Up to $16.98: Why > CD's Cost So Much," New York Times, July 5, 1995, Section C, page 11, > column 1. > > * In Great Britain, a typical popular-music compact disc costs aprx. > $17 (U.S.). Of that amount, 17% goes to the retail store, 50% goes to > record company, 17% goes to taxes, and 17% goes to a combination of the > composer, the music publisher, and the recording artist. New recording > artists typically get only 7% of retail price, while established > artists get as much as 15%. However, both are commonly responsible for > studio charges and other expenses. The net result, under current > regime, is that new artists often end up with nothing. > -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;200923 Wrote: > There is a famous and obvious solution to this... Microsoft pays a % of > the sale price on every Zune to the record companies to compensate for > piracy. Apple was asked to do the same but refused. Hmmm, indirectly you will pay for that taxation. and what if I would use my Zune only to listen to music I made myself? In short: it's not the solution. IMHO Apple did the right thing. The same Dutch foundation that I mentioned earlier wanted to do the same, but not only for Zune/iPod like gadgets. They wanted to tax every datacarrier you can imagine. Luckily the Dutch government sanctioned this, partly because the foundation still can't tell how they spend/distribute the money they received. willyhoops;200923 Wrote: > If the goal is to pay artists for their work (unlike the many here who > claim music should be free of copyright) then building a decent DRM is > obviously the way forward. In this 21st centuary such a thing is very > possible despite all the knuckle headed denials. If the goal is to pay artists for their work then artists should get a fairer slice of the pie. Not the promille they're now getting as a fee... >From every 10 euros an album costs you maybe some 20 cents (if they're lucky) goes to the artist (minus the costs the record company made in recording the album etc.). If you search a bit you can find enough of these horrorstories how recordcompanies really treat their artists... read http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html par example... If you're thinking the same about DRM after that, then I'm sure that you're working for the RIAA or alike... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
Lol :D Brilliant! Am I right in thinking that what you really mean, is: "I'm bored now that we're part of a big company. I want to go off and do another start-up..." ... and can I have a job? ;) -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
mark-e-mark > I would like to see more discussion around the trust relationships and > their security enforcement mechanisms... If you mean you would like to learn about DRM and hacking etc then i can give this quick tutorial: Today we can use encryption to completely protect data from any hackers and even government agencies – read wiki about encryption. So why did they crack HD DVD recently? Because the consumer needs to be able to play DVDs his computer had to be able to decrypt them. So Microsoft put the secret key for unlocking the DVD inside Windows Media Player. Then some smart bloke in Russia looked inside the WMP memory while the DVD was playing and found the key. Another approach taken by another hacker was to invade the operating system with a special device driver it did not notice that read the video stream out of memory after the DVD has been decrypted. It’s real hard / impossible to do DRM without hardware. Microsoft tried with all sorts of stuff but really they are fighting a loosing battle until Intel & AMD come up with a new generation of DRM secure chips. Even then it will be hard. However if you have a ‘smart card’ credit card with your pin number is stored on it, you will never get the information off because you have no key to unlock it and they never give you any software with the key inside for you to deprogram. Everything that happens with that card takes place in hardware they control. Even if you get out some volt meters and hacksaws etc the hardware is tamper resistant so you can not get inside with destroying it. Read about smart cards on wiki. This is in contrast to HD DVD running on Windows or XBOX where the hacker can write programs and control the in side of these computers. Of course another form of hacking is to get into someone’s computer. There are lots of way of doing this including guessing a password. Because computers are hugely complex things designed to do many things they contain many faults / weaknesses. For example, Microsoft one day realised it was possible to create a specially crafted “.jpg” file which internet explorer would get so confused reading (buffer overrun attacks) that you could cause it to run code that would take over your computer! Of course they fixed it as soon as they could after finding the problem, but when the published the fix the world learnt about it - and today anyone who has not applied the fix is now in danger from hackers using this technique. All Operating Systems contain numerous faults like this but Windows get the most flack because it’s the most popular one to attack, it runs on peoples home computers, and it is a vast operating system with vast amount of legacy code designed to support applications written years ago. Their latest OS, Vista, addressed many security issues but as a result broke a good percentage of the worlds existing software. -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
> such a thing is very possible despite all the knuckle headed denials. Please: if you want to carry on a discussion, stop throwing insults at us and actually address some of the points that have been made. Just because many of us disagree with you doesn't mean we're thick. willyhoops;200923 Wrote: > There is a famous and obvious solution to this... Microsoft pays a % of > the sale price on every Zune to the record companies to compensate for > piracy. Apple was asked to do the same but refused. Indeed it's a tall > order for manufactureres to do it voluntarily and quite an effort to > enforce across the world via taxation. Too right they refused. If there's any money changing hands here, it should be FROM the record companies TO the manufacturers of such devices, to compensate them for the very real, measurable expense they incur building DRM technology into each and every player, regardless of whether the end user actually wants, needs or uses it. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
