Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Blue
Mr. Lavry kindly answered my question on his forum. I hope my understanding is correct - Blue's CrystalLock uses DSP, and not ASRC chip, which makes me thinking that Blue employs the "original" CrystalLock. I guess I'll give to my DAC quest some more time, but one of configurations I'm now strongly considering would be SB3 => Behringer DEQ2496 => Lavry Blue 2ch DA Now, asking myself - why bother about CrystalLock implementation? I don't really expect any severe improvement over DA10. The real reason - I like the idea behind that design. I also like BMW approach to building cars, and so I'm their fan, although I do realize I don't need BMW to get from point A to point B. This is all about fun. -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35342 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Georgie;202859 Wrote: > I'm playing with buying a transporter and have read all the threads > comparing it with a modded sqeezebox. By chance I changed my server > hard- and software and was astonished that different server sources > sound so different. I think you'd benefit from a lifetime subscription to What Hi-Fi. -- egd Transporter >> SCA2 >> SCM100SLAT via balanced XLR Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
scoughlan;203061 Wrote: > I notice that if AccurateRip verifies the rip on the first pass, the > software forgoes the second and third pass. Am I safe to rely on this > feature? Or, would I be better off disabling AccurateRip and forcing > multiple passes with Secure Rip? AccurateRip compares the checksum of your rip with other people. If it says it's accurate, it's saying each and every bit of your rip is identical to a group of other people. The odds of everyone having errors in the exact same bits in the exact same spots are astronomical - there are 10 584 000 bytes per minute of CD, the odds of a random error being at the same exact bytes for two people are just non-existent. So *if* you have AccurateRip data, it's safe to rely on it. Note the big *if*. From what I understand, it's a majority-rule database. If you have a disc pressing (i.e. Australian pressing in your case) that differs from the pressing most of the world has (American pressing) then AccurateRip will report an inaccurate rip, but you will be able to tell when every single track is inaccurate - the odds of that are very low even on severely damaged discs. You will also find a lot of discs that aren't in the database or that have an extra track or two at the end which indicate "Track not present in database". BTW I'm basing my comments on the EAC version of AccurateRip. I understand dBpowerAMP's verbiage is slightly different but it's pulling from the same database. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
I found a tool in Nero that reports there is no support for C2 error reporting on my HP drive. Oh well, I suppose I have time, and I can always listen to my MP3's until I get around to re-ripping everything to FLAC. With dBpoweramp Reference, I currently have AccurateRip and Secure Rip on, with Ultra Secure checked. I notice that if AccurateRip verifies the rip on the first pass, the software forgoes the second and third pass. Am I safe to rely on this feature? Or, would I be better off disabling AccurateRip and forcing multiple passes with Secure Rip? I'm sorry to ask this here, but I'v seen conflicting opinions on the dBpoweramp forums; and if I'm going to spend hours re-ripping everything I'd like to get it right this time. -- scoughlan scoughlan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11583 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Hi-Fi - audiophiles or audiofools?
seanadams;202839 Wrote: > I think you are still under the misconception that 96KHz is supposed to > work on SB3. No, I understand fully that the SB3 doesn't support 96K, and I understood if fully when I bought my two Transporters that do... I've put together a whole house system, with 3 SB3's and 2 Transporters, all fed from a dedicated server in the basement. With my setup, I've had problems with 96K flac files on both the SB3's and the Transporter, and am currently using uncompressed .wav's of the hi res files because of this. The uncompressed files play fine on both. I admit my choice of examples was a poor one, sorry if I've caused any confusion. Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35350 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
You could probably design some sort of wide spaced base using PVC pipe in about 10 minutes. The pipe could then be filled with concrete, gravel, sand, lead shot, water, whatever you want to add some weight. A pair of stands might cost all of $20 to build and take all of an hour to measure, cut, and glue the pipe. Use schedule 40 PVC water pipe and there will be no worries about the strength of the structure- I built my son's loft bed from 2" schedule 40 about 5 years ago and he still uses it. See it here: http://mark.rehorst.com/PVC_Loft_Bed/index.htm TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
tomjtx;203032 Wrote: > > > I WAS sleeping with the salesgirl...hm...was she > USING me? Now there is a business model. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
ErikM;203028 Wrote: > Why is there an audiophile forum?? Since almost anytime anyone who posts > a question that has to do with sound quality is flamed. I get the > feeling that if this was a automotive forum those that can't afford the > Porsche would also try to belittle those that can afford one.. Sad Oh come on , Eric, that is a complete misrepresentation of this forum. Please don't confuse a sense of humor with flaming. Everyone here is concerned with SQ and value. BTW, since my system retails in excess of 50,000 I guess I am in the Porsche category and I still like to poke fun at audiofools. BTW2 I was an idiot to spend that much..no, wait, I got everything new at 30% off ..only 35,000.00 WOW.what a bargain!!! So I am an idiot - 30% I was sleeping with the salesgirl...hm...was she USING me? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Why is there an audiophile forum?? Since almost anytime anyone who posts a question that has to do with sound quality is flamed. I get the feeling that if this was a automotive forum those that can't afford the Porsche would also try to belittle those that can afford one.. Sad -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
AFAIK audio kit only hums when it doesn't know the words? Ceejay (slinking into the corner) -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
amcluesent;202991 Wrote: > >I would be happy to get your oppinions to this topic< > > I wouldn't overlook the effect of changing the wi-fi channel used by > your router when connecting the Transporter. I found that the > even-numbered 802.11g channels narrowed the sound-stage quite > considerably. After careful listening, even my wife(!) agreed that when > connecting on 802.11g channel 9 a 'veil was lifted' on the music. I'm > thinking that even numbered wi-fi channels can generate constructive > harmonics with the DAC oscillator, increasing the jitter and 'glare' in > the music. OMG, OMG I have found the same thing. Odd numbers ALWAYS sound better. BTW I am selling audiophile grade routers that only have odd number channels and come with custom power supply 10,000.00. A bargain, as any rational person would agree. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
The most common source of Hum is from Cable/SAT connected somewhere in the setup. You need an isolation transformer to fix this. If that's not the case can you hook up teh SB3 with the optical connection? That might do the trick. Forget power conditioners. They don't "fix" ground loops. But if you move enough stuff around sometimes you "accidently" fix the hum but adding the power conditioner. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Naim don't connect signal ground to mains earth in their amplifiers. In the good old days, this connection was made at the turntable, and Naim now do it only in their CDPs. Ideally you should have one single mains earth to signal ground connection in your system - none and you can get hum, more than one and you can get ground loop issues (which can also include hum). So I reckon Clive is on the correct track. Oh, and BTW, the case of the Naim Amp should be earthed, so connecting between it and the -ve pin on a spare input socket should also work. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Thanks much. I am not certain of much when it comes to electrical equipment, but I do know which is the ground prong on the end of the Nait power cord. I am in the U.S. The ground prong is very distinctive. I'll give it a shot and let you know what happens. -- Ned Ludd Ned Ludd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
>I would be happy to get your oppinions to this topic< I wouldn't overlook the effect of changing the wi-fi channel used by your router when connecting the Transporter. I found that the even-numbered 802.11g channels narrowed the sound-stage quite considerably. After careful listening, even my wife agreed that when connecting on 802.11g channel 9 a 'veil was lifted' on the music. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Georgie;202859 Wrote: > At start, I loaded always the client sw in the squeezebox and played the > Densen Demagnetizer Track to ensure the same base for comparing. > > Georg This says it all right above. It's unbelievable the snake oil people fall for. You'll never be satisfied, relax and enjoy the music until you stop believing in crap like this. High end audio parlor sales persons have wet dreams over customers that buy this stuff. It's too funny. I can't wait to show this CD to a few friends. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Ned Ludd;202954 Wrote: > I hate to sound stupid, but I have no choice: How do you connect the > "ground plane" (I don't know what that is) to the mains ground (I'm > assuming that is the third prong on the end of the Nait power cord)? The "ground plane" is where all the screens are connected. The simplest way to access it is the outer ring of any RCA socket. For example, if you're not using the COAX digital output on the Squeezebox, connect its outer ring (NOT the centre pin) to the mains ground. And the mains ground is indeed the third prong of the mains plug. Just make sure you know exactly which prong is the ground. The easiest way to tell is to compare it to a two-pin mains plug: the extra one that isn't on the two-pin plug is the ground. Given that you're using a Nait, are you in the UK? If you are, then what we're talking about is what's called the "earth" here in the UK. The earth pin is the longest one of the three - the one that is in a different orientation to the other two and which goes into the top hole of the mains socket. So: get a mains plug and connect a wire to its ground/earth pin. Don't connect anything up to the live and neutral pins. Plug it into a mains socket (ideally on the same outlet as the Nait), and then touch the other end of the wire to the outer ring of the Squeezebox's COAX digital socket. Does the hum go away? If it does, you have the answer: you have a floating ground. And finally: please be careful! Make absolutely sure you're connecting to the ground/earth, and not the live pin! Mains electricity fed to the wrong place can kill (and even worse, can blow up Squeezeboxes and Naits :-) -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
Well..I read the first posts in this thread. But I dont see anything about how the music was chosen and how familiar the listeners were with the music. (Did I miss it ?) Maybe PhilNYC went into this experiment with too much confidence, that he can pick out the SB3 easily. Maybe the other parts of the system were too good, so you cannot tell the difference that much. Surprising thing is PhilNYC says differences in digital components is not that much, when the Dodson he sells costs thousands of dollars. -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs DAC (EMM Labs)
ehkming;202980 Wrote: > Hi, I looking for a new DAC for my music (CD & server music store) > playback. I would like to know why there is many member using > transporter and dac as the same time ? (cd/music server -> transporter > -> dac -> pre-amp -> pwr amp ...) I don't think there is...Squeezebox (SB3) and external DAC sure. > Is it because the dac inside the transport is not that good ? The Transporter DAC, and the fact that it can be used as an external DAC, is one of its main selling points. It's generally considered as good as most external DACs and it has a lower noise floor than most of them. Not too many users bypass it by using their own DAC. (I'm sure this thread will now get flooded by Transporter users who say they use it with an external DAC, but I bet a far higher proportion of SB3 users use an external DAC than Transporter users.) -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35389 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
adamslim;202858 Wrote: > I am impressed that, at $140, it's cheaper in the US than in the UK - > -despite being British-!!! You gotta love this country :) > > Adam Or is it ? http://www.technolink.com.tw/ Oh, use the cancle button a good few times, if so wished. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs DAC (EMM Labs)
Hi, I looking for a new DAC for my music (CD & server music store) playback. I would like to know why there is many member using transporter and dac as the same time ? (cd/music server -> transporter -> dac -> pre-amp -> pwr amp ...) Is it because the dac inside the transport is not that good ? -- ehkming ehkming's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11551 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35389 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
opaqueice;202922 Wrote: > You claim that an > (X) audible > ( ) measurable > ( ) hypothetical > I think this is my favorite post of all time in this forum. -- dem Dave dem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PS Audio Digital Link III, Stello DA100, ...
BigEars;202958 Wrote: > There seems to be a deathly silence from DAC designers about why they > work (they only do if implemented properly), and that is probably > because the story is not the sort of thing audiophiles really want to > hear. So... "all DACs suffer from distortion due to non-linearities, > and this is particularly so at high volumes, and it is particularly > noticeable to human ears due to it's artifical nature. One way to > reduce it is to feed the DAC with an upsampled signal so full of > ultrasonic noise that the non-linearities added by the DAC have less > effect on the baseband audio signal...". Doesn't sound like good > marketing copy does it! > > Seems to be more effective than straight dithering because it is > signal-dependent (the ultrasonic images are higher level when the music > is louder), so it doesn't affect S/N as much for a given amount of > dither. > > There is nothing magic about it, it is just another bodge to improve > the perceived accuracy of a flawed recording/playback technology. The > same happened with Vinyl until it really did sound uncannily real, and > I guess digital will continue to go through the same evolution. Maybe if I had some picture/graphs of what you are describing it would make more sense to me. It definately has enough techno-jargon for good marketing copy though ;) -- jt25741 SB3->AR Masters Coax -> PS Audio DLIII -> Cardas Golden Reference XLR -> Sim Audio P5 -> Cardas Golden Reference XLR -> Sim Audio W5 -> Cardas Golden Reference Hi-Mid,PS Audio Xstream Plus Low-> Magnepan 3.6R jt25741's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32055 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PS Audio Digital Link III, Stello DA100, ...
jt25741;202916 Wrote: > Although I don't have the Stello, my impressions on upsampling sound are > similar to yours. Almost without exception, upsampling sounds better > -- smoother, more detailed, better soundstaging etc.. As to all the > technical reasons why, your explanations sound reasonsable to me -- but > I am unsure. There seems to be a deathly silence from DAC designers about why they work (they only do if implemented properly), and that is probably because the story is not the sort of thing audiophiles really want to hear. So... "all DACs suffer from distortion due to non-linearities, and this is particularly so at high volumes, and it is particularly noticeable to human ears due to it's artifical nature. One way to reduce it is to feed the DAC with an upsampled signal so full of ultrasonic noise that the non-linearities added by the DAC have less effect on the baseband audio signal...". Doesn't sound like good marketing copy does it! Seems to be more effective than straight dithering because it is signal-dependent (the ultrasonic images are higher level when the music is louder), so it doesn't affect S/N as much for a given amount of dither. There is nothing magic about it, it is just another bodge to improve the perceived accuracy of a flawed recording/playback technology. The same happened with Vinyl until it really did sound uncannily real, and I guess digital will continue to go through the same evolution. -- BigEars BigEars's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6154 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32055 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Thanks. I was actually wondering whether the ground loop isolator would affect the sound quality. I hate to sound stupid, but I have no choice: How do you connect the "ground plane" (I don't know what that is) to the mains ground (I'm assuming that is the third prong on the end of the Nait power cord)? -- Ned Ludd Ned Ludd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Ned Ludd;202941 Wrote: > Tried the experiment. Unfortunately, the hum was unaffected. > > I inserted the paperclip into the center channel (labeled -ve) of one > of the unused DIN inputs on the Nait. I took a wire with alligator > clips on each end and attached one to the paper clip. I then touched > the other alligator clip to the metal portion of the RCA jack which > attaches to the Squeezebox. No luck -- very frustrating. That pretty much matches what I was expecting. That particular experiment is checking that the screen connection between Squeezebox and Nait is OK. That fact that it made no difference shows that it is. Given that the hum is low level, I still think it sounds as if the whole setup has a floating ground. What you said next tends to reinforce that view: Ned Ludd;202941 Wrote: > So far the only thing which has any effect at all is touching (with my > fingers) the metal part of the connector going into the Nait which > connects the Squeezebox. There is a slight muting of the hum by doing > this. When you do this, your body is providing a partial route to ground, hence the slight reduction in hum. You need to try the other experiment I suggested: connect the ground plane of either the Squeezebox or Nait to the mains ground. Ned Ludd;202941 Wrote: > I am wondering whether inserting a ground loop isolator between the > Squeezebox and Nait would be worth trying, or whether you have any > other ideas. Ground loop isolators use transformers, and good audio transformers are expensive (like $50 per channel). Cheap ground loop isolators are likely to degrade the sound quality, so you should only consider these as a last resort. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Cliveb -- Tried the experiment. Unfortunately, the hum was unaffected. I inserted the paperclip into the center channel (labeled -ve) of one of the unused DIN inputs on the Nait. I took a wire with alligator clips on each end and attached one to the paper clip. I then touched the other alligator clip to the metal portion of the RCA jack which attaches to the Squeezebox. No luck -- very frustrating. So far the only thing which has any effect at all is touching (with my fingers) the metal part of the connector going into the Nait which connects the Squeezebox. There is a slight muting of the hum by doing this. I am wondering whether inserting a ground loop isolator between the Squeezebox and Nait would be worth trying, or whether you have any other ideas. -- Ned Ludd Ned Ludd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Blue
I think your summary of the issue is certainly what one side is arguing, but is far from having be proven in any discussion. The only thing shown beyond any doubt is that the manual was wrong. Does your DA10 now sound differently? -Ben -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) -> 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) -> 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) -> 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) -> 'B&W 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35342 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
JJZolx;202826 Wrote: > Wouldn't necessarily even need to be heavy bases. I'll bet that if you > bolted the stands to large 2ft x 2ft bases (plywood, mdf or maybe even > concrete walk pavers) then they'd be nearly impossible to tip over. I thought about that, but considering that speakers are not just home decor items :), but also a part of the audio system, I'm concerned that DIY wide wooden base may introduce resonance problems - unless I put it on spikes, but then the base has to be strong enough to keep that enormous weight... not sure it's doable. -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Try to replace your internal SATA cables with the silver ones made by Cargas. It will lower internal jitter, which is certainly the reason for the differences you hear. !gniddik tsuJ -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Lol :D I think you've just given me a business idea... ;) -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Blue
Ben Diss;202878 Wrote: > The "lately discovered issue with CrystalLock mode" has to do with how > the manual was printed. It hasn't changed the sound of my DAC in any > way. That being the case, how would the Blue sound better? > > -Ben Sorry to disappoint you, the issue is not about manual. There was quite common impression that CristalLock doesn't resample, and particularly works without ASRC. Those guys found the opposite. They also found some discrepancies between earlier descriptions of CrystalLock principles, and DA10 implementation. The outcome was that CrystalLock in DA10 was either severity watered down, or redesigned to the point of elimination. Generally speaking end user shouldn't be bothered by this, but I was concerned that Dan refused to provide any reasonable technical explanation - given that usually he seems to like discussing technical aspects. There's some uncertainty on the differences between Blue and Black, and it seems noone is clear in that. Lavry marketing keeps telling they are sonically equal, which, considering that designs are different, and also how subjective human perception is, doesn't make much sense to me. They might sound very similar though. Based on the talks and rumors I'm getting an impression that CrystalLock in Blue works as originally advertised. If I ever find any confirmation, and considering how high Blue praised among the PROs... that may be a decisive factor for me... if its look doesn't conflicts with WAF... -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35342 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
Skunk;202906 Wrote: > If this went to court, you wouldn't be allowed on the jury :-) > > I.e. couldn't the expectation to hear no difference mask actual > differences? I believe you also brainwashed PhilNYC! I'd be an an expert witness for the prosecution :-). An expectation bias is possible in my case, although I tried really hard to hear something. And I wasn't at all sure what to expect - if I had been I wouldn't have gone to all the trouble to do this. And Phil *certainly* wasn't expecting this result - just the contrary - and our third listener was ambivalent to begin with. There's probably a better way to do this kind of test, which is to determine a threshold rather than a yes or no. For example if you could take the signal coming from the TP and the one coming from the SB, take their difference, and use that to create a signal where the difference was magnified many times, you could then gradually reduce the difference back towards the actual level and see at what point it ceased to be audible. While purists could always argue that this process introduced garbage that made the result meaningless, if the answer was that the difference needed to be magnified many times over it would still be pretty convincing (to non-fanatics at least). Actually that's maybe not such a bad idea - after all, whatever garbage is introduced can only make it easier to distinguish between the original and the new signal. So take two signals, say SB and TP. Compare pure SB to SB + g(TP-SB), starting with g>>1. Now gradually reduce g, and see at what g you can no longer distinguish. If it's at, say, g=10, that's pretty compelling. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Quoting ceejay ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > IMHO the most likely explanation for any difference between different > server installations would be if some configuration difference had > accidentally crept in while installing - perhaps different volume or > preamp settings, or file format transcodiing options. > > If all of those variables have indeed been eliminated, then I think > you've just done an excellent demonstration of the power of the placebo > effect. Maybe it's the file system latency introduced by differing paths to the music storage. dd 'joking, but I am positive someone is going to mess with this now' -- http://www.last.fm/user/ddewey ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
You claim that an (X) audible ( ) measurable ( ) hypothetical improvement in sound quality can be attained by: ( ) upsampling ( ) non-oversampling ( ) increasing word size ( ) vibration dampening ( ) bi-wiring ( ) replacing the external power supply (X) using a different lossless format ( ) decompressing on the server ( ) removing bits of metal from skull ( ) using ethernet instead of wireless ( ) inverting phase ( ) reversing polarity of resistors ( ) ultra fast recovery rectifiers ( ) installing bigger connectors ( ) installing Black Gate caps ( ) installing ByBee filters ( ) installing hospital-grade AC jacks ( ) defragmenting the hard disk ( ) running older firmware ( ) using exotic materials in cabinet ( ) bronze heatsinks ( ) violin lacquer ( ) $500 power cords (X) altering your server's hardware/OS Your idea will not work. Specifically, it fails to account for: (X) the placebo effect (X) your ears honestly aren't that good ( ) your idea has already been thoroughly disproved ( ) modern DACs upsample anyway ( ) those products are pure snake oil (X) lossless formats, by definition, are lossless (X) those measurements are bogus ( ) sound travels much slower than you think ( ) electric signals travel much faster than you think ( ) that's not how binary arithmetic works (X) that's not how TCP/IP works ( ) the Nyquist theorem ( ) the can't polish a turd theorem (X) bits are bits You will try to defend you idea by: ( ) claiming that your ears are trained ( ) claiming immunity to psychological/physiological factors that affect everyone else ( ) name-calling ( ) criticizing spelling/grammar (X) acting miffed Your subsequent arguments will probably appeal in desperation to such esoterica as: ( ) jitter ( ) EMI ( ) thermal noise ( ) quantum mechanical effects ( ) resonance ( ) existentialism ( ) nihilism ( ) communism (X) cosmic rays And you will then change the subject to: ( ) theories are not the same as facts (X) measurements don't tell everything ( ) not everyone is subject to the placebo effect ( ) blind testing is dumb (X) you can't prove what I can't hear ( ) science isn't everything Rather than engage in this tired discussion, I suggest exploring the following factors which are more likely to improve sound quality in your situation: ( ) room acoustics ( ) source material ( ) type of speakers ( ) speaker placement ( ) crossover points ( ) equalization (X) Q-tips ( ) psychoanalysis ( ) trepanation -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
cyrus dax or daxp would sound logic except expense i was thinking of a punt on the moon dice dac - which is a nos i think - anyone tried one of these fellas ? Liam -- soupdragon SB3 + Cyrus CD6 + JVC QL A75 DD TT -> Cyrus PreX -> Eclipse TD 502 -> Eclipse 512 speakers soupdragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
Soupdragon, why not try a Cyrus DACX. I would love to hear what your opinions are. regards, Mike. -- mudlark SB3>CyrusDACX>PreXvs>260A>KEFiQ7 cable Avondale server Kubuntu Feisty Fawn, linkstation for storage. DIY SB3 3A linear power supply. mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PS Audio Digital Link III, Stello DA100, ...
BigEars;202871 Wrote: > Thought I would try a bit harder to identify the difference (if any > audible in my system); all I knew previously was that I was keen to > switch back from bypass to upsampling, but not so keen to go back to > bypass - upsampling seemed easier on the ear and more natural. > > I chose a couple of songs with a good mix of low-level detail and > louder passages - Bonnie Rait's 'Thing Called Love' and 'Love Letter' > from Nick of Time (FLAC), and switched back and forth multiple times > listening to different aspects each time. > > Very subtle, but definite; on complex sections upsampling mode held the > picture together better, whereas it could get a tiny bit more confused > and difficut to pick out subtleties on bypass. Loud vocal was more > likely to sound very slightly harsh on bypass, less so with upsampling, > which generally made it easier to hear low-level background detail > throughout. > > Most surprising was a more solid punch to both snare and bass, with > more information about the sound of both instruments - I guess this > comes again from better resolution of small details, especially on loud > sections. > > All this is in broad agreemenet with most theories about why upsampling > can sound better - it seems to be less distortion of the baseband due to > differential non-linearities in the DAC process, as a result of > signal-dependent ultrasonic dither resulting from the very gentle > roll-off filter allowing signal up to the Nyquist point of the 192KHz > signal to enter the DAC. Some would claim that the necessity of > re-clocking close to the DAC due to 192KHz being asynchronous with the > input clock also helps by reducing jitter, but I don't have enough > details about Simon Lee's implementation to know if this a factor > here. > > Anyway it sounds easier on the ear AND more revealing - so it works for > me; these are tiny differences that seem to make a noticeable difference > on enjoyment of the music. Anybody else got experiences on this to > share? > > Paul Although I don't have the Stello, my impressions on upsampling sound are similar to yours. Almost without exception, upsampling sounds better -- smoother, more detailed, better soundstaging etc.. As to all the technical reasons why, your explanations sound reasonsable to me -- but I am unsure. -- jt25741 SB3->AR Masters Coax -> PS Audio DLIII -> Cardas Golden Reference XLR -> Sim Audio P5 -> Cardas Golden Reference XLR -> Sim Audio W5 -> Cardas Golden Reference Hi-Mid,PS Audio Xstream Plus Low-> Magnepan 3.6R jt25741's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32055 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Is the server in the listening room? If it is, then perhaps the different operating systems cause different amounts of acoustic noise to emanate from the servers - eg. varying CPU fan speeds, different hard disk access behaviour leading to different levels of noise from the heads, etc. This different acoustic noise could then in turn have varying interference effects on the reproduced soundfield. This is of course just speculation. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
topa;202879 Wrote: > @AdamSlim: I have the same DAC as you, and recently hooked both the SB3 > and the D2 up to a Skynet 8080 SMPS (from the UK). I can only recommend > doing so! I thought about that but couldn't find a supplier. Not sure an open frame PSU is the best plan for my kitchen, but it might be worth a play. Where did you get it? Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
opaqueice;202840 Wrote: > > I don't see why you find it surprising. It's certainly in line with > the results of almost all other controlled tests on digital sources. If this went to court, you wouldn't be allowed on the jury :-) I.e. couldn't the expectation to hear no difference mask actual differences? I believe you also brainwashed PhilNYC! -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] D Class
Thanks for that - I'm in the UK, so mainland Europe isn't a problem for me. Do you know of anyone producing amps using the ColdAmp range of modules? -- DynamicalSystem DynamicalSystem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4594 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amplifier suggestions on low budget...
DennyL;202644 Wrote: > Alternatively, here are plenty of old British 'classic' amps that > perform better than many modern amps and can be bought on Ebay for £60 > or so, such as the A&R A60 or the Creek CAS4040. > > (There's a Creek here:- > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Creek-Audio-Systems-CAS4040-Classic-hifi-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ270120353058QQihZ017QQcategoryZ3280QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) I second that. I picked up an early CAS4040 (wooden box! genius) on eBay for £40. Belting amp. S'feeding a little pair of Missions (another £40 bargain from the local music shop!) as my PC speakers. Shame the postman dropped it on it's corner! Luckily a rear corner though. -- moley6knipe moley6knipe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10014 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35341 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
IMHO the most likely explanation for any difference between different server installations would be if some configuration difference had accidentally crept in while installing - perhaps different volume or preamp settings, or file format transcodiing options. If all of those variables have indeed been eliminated, then I think you've just done an excellent demonstration of the power of the placebo effect. On the other hand, if you do want to go looking for differences, you will first need to be clear about whether you are streaming the WAV files directly to the SB, or whether (the default) they are being transcoded to FLAC before being sent. If the former, then you are going to have to think very hard about what mechanism might be in play to allow the OS that is sending the WAV files down a heavily buffered IP network to affect the way that the SB is delivering the bits to a DAC. If the latter, then we are back in the "FLAC sounds different to WAV" discussion, which I'd rather stay out of, though I do note that proponents of this argument usually offer an explanation along the lines that there is some odd effect of the FLAC-WAV decoding in the SB which is causing an audible outcome... how that would work when the DAC is external to the SB I really can't imagine. Unless of course the servers are generating airborne or mains-borne interference with the DAC, in which case the SB is irrelevant anyway... IMHO. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
Still,I'm wondering...is the number of therapists directly connected to the number of attractive women? (Buenos Aires) Back to the subject, I think you can't go wrong with a NOS Dac. Pretty cheap, and loads of fun. @AdamSlim: I have the same DAC as you, and recently hooked both the SB3 and the D2 up to a Skynet 8080 SMPS (from the UK). I can only recommend doing so! -- topa topa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7118 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Blue
The "lately discovered issue with CrystalLock mode" has to do with how the manual was printed. It hasn't changed the sound of my DAC in any way. That being the case, how would the Blue sound better? -Ben -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) -> 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) -> 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) -> 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) -> 'B&W 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35342 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Try picking the combo you think sounds best and compare it to the worst in a blind test. Do you still hear a difference ? If so, keep your reference and keep eliminating (blind), one by one, the other setups. As long as your not spending money and your having fun no harm is done :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
I would like you to focus... all your attention... on an area in the middle of your forehead... so that your whole concentration ... becomes completely focused... on a point... in this area... and I would like you to imagine... this point...as a tiny white ball of light... now hovering just in front of your forehead... just floating in mid air... right in front of your forehead... and this tiny white ball of light... is in every way... the size and appearance... of a tiny distant star... a shimmering glowing star... shining brightly in the night sky... radiating energy and light... and you may very soon... feel a slight tingling sensation... or feel a warm comforting glow... as you become aware... of the radiant vibrations... coming from this tiny white ball of light... that shines ever more brightly... as it hovers just in front of your forehead... ...and NOWwww... I would like you to... see this tiny white ball of light... slowly begin to float upwards... just gently lift up into the air... higher and higher... until it reaches a point... about a foot above your head... and as it hovers there... just above your head... I want you to see it begin to grow in size... and as it begins to expand... shining more and more brightly... you become more aware of the radiant quality... of this illustrious object... see the purity of its colour... like the pure white of freshly fallen snow... feel its radiant warmth... like a gentle heat from an open fire... maybe even hear its faint vibrations ... as it grows larger and larger... giving off a more brilliant light all the time... and as it grows to the size of large ball ... you instinctively become aware... of its healing qualities... sensing that its radiant energy can heal disease... quell any discomfort... revitalise and energise anything it touches... and as it hovers there... just above your head... glowing even more brilliantly... you feel yourself drawn to this healing energy... more and more...as you sense its purity... and its inherent goodness... knowing that its healing qualities... have no limitations...and know no boundaries... when it comes to seeking out... and destroying... any disease or discomfort... and you will want to immerse yourself... in this radiant energy... to bask in its purity... knowing that you can only benefit... from its wonderful healing properties... ...and NOWwww... as you think of this... a beautiful white squeezebox begins to open in your imagination... a wonderous device that plays celestial music... whereas in the past this little gadget has annoyed you now you see that it is a token of your boyfrinds love and devotion... you will feel NO Jealousy as your boyfrind plays with his device... knowinf as you do that all his travails with DAC converstion are to open his hear to you and bring the gift of music to this wonderful relationship of yours... -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
get a GF that likes having sex with a squeezeboxhmmm Now that's an idea for a modding service -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
haha ... you are probably right... but i don't think any girl can put up with a squeezebox... and sex is more fun than a sqeezebox... -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PS Audio Digital Link III, Stello DA100, ...
the only problem with the Stello I know of is if you are on the waterfront the only thing coming out of your speakers will be: Stella!!! Stella! then it collapses. People swear the voice sounds like Marlon Brando. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32055 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
Willyhoops, I used to think you were a very talented troll. Sometimes I think you are Sascha Baron Cohen. But now I think you are just insane :-) Put the girlfriend in the atic, not the equipmentcan't you get anything right ?or better yet, throw her out, You can get a new GF at the next black tie ball. Music is music and women are just...women. PS. London is a big town, surely there are some therapists you can go to. Or move to Buenos Aires. There are more therapists per capita there than any other city in the world. They also have the best looking women in the world...really. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PS Audio Digital Link III, Stello DA100, ...
Thought I would try a bit harder to identify the difference (if any audible in my system); all I knew previously was that I was keen to switch back from bypass to upsampling, but not so keen to go back to bypass - upsampling seemed easier on the ear and more natural. I chose a couple of songs with a good mix of low-level detail and louder passages - Bonnie Rait's 'Thing Called Love' and 'Love Letter' from Nick of Time (FLAC), and switched back and forth multiple times listening to different aspects each time. Very subtle, but definite; on complex sections upsampling mode held the picture together better, whereas it could get a tiny bit more confused and difficut to pick out subtleties on bypass. Loud vocal was more likely to sound very slightly harsh on bypass, less so with upsampling, which generally made it easier to hear low-level background detail throughout. Most surprising was a more solid punch to both snare and bass, with more information about the sound of both instruments - I guess this comes again from better resolution of small details, especially on loud sections. All this is in broad agreemenet with most theories about why upsampling can sound better - it seems to be less distortion of the baseband due to differential non-linearities in the DAC process, due to signal-dependent ultrasonic dither resulting from the very gentle roll-off filter allowing signal up to the Nyquist point of the 192KHz signal to enter the DAC. Some would claim that the necessity of re-clocking close to the DAC due to 192KHz being asynchronous with the input clock also helps by reducing jitter. Anyway it sounds easier on the ear AND more revealing - so it works for me; these are tiny differences that seem to make a noticeable difference on enjoyment of the music. Anybody else got experiences on this to share? Paul -- BigEars BigEars's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6154 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32055 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "Super Squeezebox" Project
Some very nice enclosures can be find here: http://www.hexateq-av.com/diy_zone.html -- Vincent Vincent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11631 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34291 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
Christ I said I wouldn't post again am already I am doing it. I really didn't get a chance to test it all properly, and now I am not allowed to! Very Sorry. Still you can rely on others - I hear many squeezebox users have bought this product and if you get it and hear no difference from the SB3 then just return it - unlike buying old stuff on ebay. But still i would say if you hook your £200 CD player to CD IN and your squeezebox to AUX1 IN and in a blind test can not tell the difference between the two then forget about the whole thing. In fact, I think it's going to be very very tough as I understand it for this DAC to beat the benchmark or transporter. The trouble is that the SPDIF sends a square wave with the data on... but this square wave is not perfectly square but takes time to rise so it's difficult to get a consistent start point in time for the wave. Add to this the fact that the SB3 has some jitter anway compared to a very expensive DAC and what you get is quite a jittery data signal being recieved by the DAC from the SPDIF. If the DAC just relies on the square wave transistions to build the output in time it is going to have issues, only by using PLL or buffers etc can it overcome this. These techniques, although they could be real cheap becuase chips are cheap, are currently seen as complicated and only supported by the big boys like the benchmark or music fidelity. The DAC market is tiny so the mass produced advanced but cheap technology is not there. If everyone wanted a DAC the big hifi companies would produce killer units for a fraction of the price of todays model... but the SPDIF squeezebox etc is new and most people will be happy anyway I guess so the market is growing but nowhere near exploding. -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
I assume that you are interested in a better sound. But not always is a standalone DAC the solution for a better sound for the same money. I always ask the following questions: - do I use the DAC with other equipment too, or only for the Squeezebox? If I use it only with my squeezebox, I would rather invest in a modding kit for the squeezebox, as Boulder or so, to improve the analog output and the power supply. - how much am I willing to spend for additional interconnection cables, power cord, stands, etc, in other words: what is my over all budget? The sound is the sum of all details. Without a good digital interconnection cable I will get a poor sound too - with the world best DACs! I tested the analog output of the squeezebox with really good Cinch cables and got surprised by the sound enrichment. Old stories and discussions, I know, but check it out and make your oppinions by your own. Georg -- Georgie Slimserver 6.5.1 / SSODS 2.12 / DS106X / SB3 Georgie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] D Class
I own the PA100's. If you want to know my opinion, follow this link: http://www.hexateq-av.com/comment2.html Price includes 21% VAT, you don't have to pay VAT in the USA so ask Hexateq about pricing. -- Vincent Vincent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11631 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
I'm playing with buying a transporter and have read all the threads comparing it with a modded sqeezebox. By chance I changed my server hard- and software and was astonished that different server sources sound so different. Has anybody made the same experiences, and does anybody know why and what kind of influences are behind? Here my configurations, all are with the 6.5.2 Slimserver and the 81 client SW: a) Synology DS106X (256 MB RAM) with a LINUX operating system. serial ATA Disk. b) Slim client with Xubuntu 7.04 and timetra crusoe processor (512 MB RAM), with a via network interface controller. Disk of the DS106X is mounted with SMB. c) VIA EPIA CN1000 board (1GB RAM), musik files on the attached 2.5" Serial ATA Harddisk. Win XP. d) VIA EPIA CN1000 board (1GB RAM), musik files on the attached 2.5" Serial ATA Harddisk. Xubuntu. Listening with: modded Squeezebox 3 (linear power supply, jitter-reducing converter to AES/EBU Output), siltech golden ridge cable, AQVOX 2.0 D/A-Converter and Stax 007t/Omega2 earspeaker. Compared with CD on a Phillips PRO 2M drive with the same jitter-reducing converter to AES/EBU Output and the same listening equippment. At start, I loaded always the client sw in the squeezebox and played the Densen Demagnetizer Track to ensure the same base for comparing. All results depend on my personal listening of 10 different WAV files - no objective measurement. I found: a) sound stage: not as deep as with the (excellent) CD drive , instrument location good, but not excellent, sound is rich, but in the very deepest details not as clear as the CD Player. I like this sound. b) sound stage: compressed, more depth than width, instrument location floating, sound has a little bit less dynamic than a) or the CD player. c) sound stage better than the CD player, instrument location excellent, sound with a little bit more contour, not a "soft" sound, Dynamic OK - this could become the best solution, quality at least as good as the CD player but sound coloration and reproduction a little bit different. d) sound stage better than the CD player, instrument location good, sound a little bit agressive, tends to shrill - not for listening over hours, Dynamic not as good as c). It seems to me that the differences of the servers are bigger than the differences between a modded Squeeezebox an the transporter and bigger than the differences between FLAC and WAV. I would be happy to get your oppinions to this topic. Georg -- Georgie Slimserver 6.5.1 / SSODS 2.12 / DS106X / SB3 Georgie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
soupdragon;202855 Wrote: > hmmm - would be interested to read your judgement of the SB3, vs SB3 + > Beresford, vs Transporter ! Well according to some of these guys the Beresford is better than the Benchmark: http://www.hifiwigwam.com/forum1/14708.html I am impressed that, at $140, it's cheaper in the US than in the UK - -despite being British-!!! You gotta love this country :) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
hmmm - would be interested to read your judgement of the SB3, vs SB3 + Beresford, vs Transporter ! maybe your GF -- soupdragon SB3 + Cyrus CD6 + JVC QL A75 DD TT -> Cyrus PreX -> Eclipse TD 502 -> Eclipse 512 speakers soupdragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 and external DAC - views
i bought one last night and was testing when my girlfriend got home. she flipped out that i had bough yet another gadget and i ended up taking my transporter, many squeezeboxes, several speakers, hifis, boxes of cd for ripping, cd covers for scanning, and a baxter robotic arm to the atic. My days as a squeezebox nutter are over and you will hear no more from me - at least for a several months. And i think i have the worlds most expensive attic. here is little pic i managed to steal on the mobile to remember it all by... from now on i am only allowed one set of speakers in the house and my old yamaha hard drive player. at least i will get more done with my life... +---+ |Filename: 18-05-07_0647.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2826| +---+ -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
