Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
SuperQ;205858 Wrote: > Oh.. one other thing.. if you have a wired SB3, it has internal > antennas.. those might not be there.. that could be a huge bummer. Yeah, that's right. There's a fella who adapted a pair of regular Wi-Fi antennas to the rear of his SB3. The search function should bring the thread up. Having those external antennas should actually improve performance compared to the stock aerials. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
crooner;205856 Wrote: > It's just a matter of prying it open and taking the mini PCI card out. Oh.. one other thing.. if you have a wired SB3, it has internal antennas.. those might not be there.. that could be a huge bummer. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
One way to obtain a mini PCI wireless card is by cannibalizing a wireless router. You have to find out what brands use this particular kind of chipset. Not too hard given the FCC ID information. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?
The stock switcher has been shown to emit a lot of noise which might affect some systems but not others. This may be why some hear an improvement with a different psu and others don't. You might try plugging the wallwart into a power conditioner first to see if that helps. If you can audition a linear or buy a cheap one it can be fun to compare. I auditioned the 750.00 Bolder psu and their full modded SB. Not worth the money IMO. A stock, cheap (17.00) psu sounded just as good as the 750.00 bolder. The Bolder mods are a waste of money, IMO, IME. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35704 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
BTW here are some specifics on the SB3 card, from http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Squeezebox_Wireless_Media_Player1/?page=5 > On the top of the stack rests the 802.11g mini-PCI wireless card > complete with its two antennas. After doing a bit of digging, it > appears as though this wireless card is made by a vendor named TP-Link > who seems to have some products that are very similar to Linksys. TP-Link's wireless mini-PCI card is here: http://www.tp-link.com/products/product_des.asp?id=55, the "TL-WN562AG". I highly doubt you could get this at a computer store, it looks to be available only to OEMs. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?
PhyreWyre;205698 Wrote: > Thanks opaqueice. Quite heated debate towards the middle and end! > I read the other forum and if I remember correctly, you said you didn't > find much of a audible difference between the power supplies or am I > mixing you up with someone else? That's correct. Then again, if you're a typical audiophile you will prefer to ignore my opinions, especially after you read this: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35704 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
tonyptony;205840 Wrote: > So is this even relevant anymore? I can't see how it can be. There is a negative gain setting to avoid clipping. See here for details on checking the log for clipping and changing the setting: http://inguzaudio.com/usage/config -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
tonyptony wrote: > So here's a follow up question. I remember back in the days of analog > equalization there was always the caution of trying not to boost any > band too much, as it was supposed to put a strain on the amp (and > speakers?) and maybe push into clipping more quickly. Is this still > true for digital correction at the source? I mean, we're talking about > altering the source signal before it even gets converted to analog. So > is this even relevant anymore? I can't see how it can be. Well, you should not go completely crazy. With EQ (not that Inquz is likely to do this) you can pump up either end past what the amp or speakers can handle, and with speakers that can't do it, say go loud way up high, you can keep adding gain until you see smoke coming out. As much as the overdriven part worries, with analog EQ boxes, unless they cost megabucks (Neve, etc) doing more than 6dB or so can cause all sorts of phase weirdness. And phase wierdness can hurt fidelity more than mismatched levels. Even in the digital space, doing a lot of EQ tends to mess up the phase unless the algorithms are very careful. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?
Everyone assumes that a linear regulated supply will be an improvement over the switcher that comes with the SB3, but no one seems to be testing the idea that one switcher may sound better than another. We'll never know if no one listens... TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35704 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
So here's a follow up question. I remember back in the days of analog equalization there was always the caution of trying not to boost any band too much, as it was supposed to put a strain on the amp (and speakers?) and maybe push into clipping more quickly. Is this still true for digital correction at the source? I mean, we're talking about altering the source signal before it even gets converted to analog. So is this even relevant anymore? I can't see how it can be. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint
Lots of positive results on this forum with both systems. I have not heard the AudioEngines. They are a good bit larger than the Aegos, so not as easy to conceal in a small room. Do a search on these forums for AudioEngine and you'll get lots of info. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35706 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
and the last one. Should be interesting to hear what they all do. +---+ |Filename: strong_flat.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2899| +---+ -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
Great info! Looks like I have the older variety of the Atheros card. I've just bought another SB2, I wonder what chipset this one is going to have. For what is worth, wireless on my machine is flawless. Fantastic performance. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
After a couple of seconds with a T-10, my SB3 (all-black, got it 2-3 months ago) On a sticker on the RF shield: IEEE 802.11b/g WLAN mini-PCI card Model: WLANTPBG FCC ID: Q72WLANTPBG Printed on the board: Wireless 11b/g mini-PCI 560 Hah.. a google search for the FCC ID links to: http://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-18923.html > > Older SB2s have N13-AT53V216 (older Atheros chipset) > Newer SB2s and SB3 both have Q72WLANTPBG (newer Atheros chipset) > I can't seem to find any other references to this specific card. I guess I would have to throw the card in my soekris to figure out exactly which chipset it is. :-( -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
See my update in Post #1. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
My SB2 has an "Atheros" based wireless card. You may want to google it up. There may be a source for them... -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
I actually purchased a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833180035 and that's the reason why I want to get a wireless SB3... the thing is driving me crazy. Despite being hooked up locally, the computer can't find it MOST of the time (SOMEtime it can, and that's what annoys me), and so if I'm having this much trouble trying to get it to simply be a wireless bridge, using it attached to the SB3, which can't give me a status report, only yes/no as to connection is going to drive me up the wall. Additionally, I'd much prefer to minimize the # of cables... I already have a ridiculous amount of cables, as I have a complete 5.1 home theater as well as a very high-end actively tri-amplified stereo setup in the same room... If someone can ID the infamous wireless mini-PCI card/chip I can try to track one down... that'd be the simplest solution as I don't need to sell/trade my SB3... thanks, -Tal -- taloyd taloyd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
crooner;205812 Wrote: > I was wondering if any generic mini-PCI wireless card would work. Not likely. I'm pretty sure the Squeezebox firmware would only have the driver necessary for the particular brand/model of card that SD installs. Maybe if the card had the same chip, it might work. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
I was wondering if any generic mini-PCI wireless card would work. I tried changing the wireless card inside my laptop with a Mimo mini PCI, and it was recognized by Windows but the drivers would not load properly. However, if other mini PCI cards work with the SB2/SB3 it may be possible to upgrade to a newer wireless card using an improved protocol (Draft N) in the future. -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?
I could be incorrect, but I believe that 0 VU represents -20 dBFS or 20 dB below full scale. A digital sample of sixteen 1s would be full scale. I think 20 dB below that is ... oh dear ... 00101000. VU is an average reading, so if a recording is holding at 0 VU, then it's RMS power is holding at about 20 dB below full scale? I think the Slimserver VU meter is reasonably accurate. Of course, I could be mistaken in all this:) If the VU meters are pegged, then there is a good chance the file is clipping against full scale, and the DAC is attempting to put out DC. -Ron -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 -> CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A -> Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max -> Sennheiser 650s *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
If you can't find a trade and SD isn't able to sell you a wireless adapter, you can also use a separate, external wireless 'converter'. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162168 -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?
pnielsen wrote: > Pat Farrell;205800 Wrote: >> It is a retro look, and when you used analog VU meters, they were damped >> >> and would go over 0. > > No. That's not right. Sorry, yes it is. > In an old analog device, 0dB usually represents a threshold value of > some sort. Usually this value is set for the level when distortion > reaches a certain treshold value. 0dB was in theory where the tape would be over saturated. But most people, even experienced professional recording engineers would exceed 0dB for 'short' periods. And as you write, some tape had more headroom than others, so you might change the definition of 'short' Even today, there are many compressors and plugins for ProTools that emulate over saturation of tape. > In a digital world, 0dB represents the maximum signal. The meter range > should end right there, as you cannot exceed 0dB digitally as you can > in an analog electric signal. > I LOVE the retro-style meters, by why can't the dB-values be > accurate??? Its eye candy. It is not supposed to be accurate. If it was accurate, it would not look retro. > If I spend $2,000 on a digital device, I would expect the designers to > have the knowledge to get simple things like this right, or am I > missing something? Yes, you are missing that this is eye candy, not a calibrated. If you want calibrated, get something like a Dorrough 280-D digital loudness meter. They are cheap, only $800 -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?
Pat Farrell;205800 Wrote: > It is a retro look, and when you used analog VU meters, they were damped > > and would go over 0. No. That's not right. In an old analog device, 0dB usually represents a threshold value of some sort. Usually this value is set for the level when distortion reaches a certain treshold value. For a tape deck, the distortion would vary depending on the tape used. Some tapes could take several dB in excess without audible impact. In a digital world, 0dB represents the maximum signal. The meter range should end right there, as you cannot exceed 0dB digitally as you can in an analog electric signal. I LOVE the retro-style meters, by why can't the dB-values be accurate??? If I spend $2,000 on a digital device, I would expect the designers to have the knowledge to get simple things like this right, or am I missing something? Thanks, Peter -- pnielsen pnielsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
taloyd;205799 Wrote: > Hello, > > I have a wired SB3 which I bought because I never envisioned having the > computer far from my stereo, but I have since moved (into a bigger place > with a bedroom) and now have the computer in the bedroom instead of the > living room, and so a wired connection is out. > > Does anybody want to swap a wired SB3 for a wireless? I can throw in > $50 cash. > > I really don't want to shell out another $300 on a SB3 when I already > have one... > > Feel free to email me if you interested: > taloyd AT gmail DOT com > > thanks, > -Tal > > ps: I hope the moderators don't delete this... You might be able to get SD to mail you a wireless card for the SB3.. it's not difficult to add it, it just snaps in. I havn't searched the forum, but it's probably posted somewhere which model the boards is. I'll open up my SB3 when I get home and post what I find out. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?
Please don't fix every analog 'problem' in the digital world. ;) -- blessingx Squeezebox 3 + Lavry DA1Ø + Woo Audio 6 + Ultrasone 25ØØ / Sennheiser HD65Ø/58Ø/595 blessingx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?
pnielsen;205792 Wrote: > Hello, > Please fix... Current display makes no sense! > > Thanks, > Peter The VU meters are not for measurement. They are mostly for show. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?
pnielsen wrote: > The VU meters are very nice, but WHY do they exceed 0dB? In a digital > world, 0dB is the maximum output possible. > > Is this a software design flaw (done by somebody used to the tape decks > of the 80's, or...?) It is a retro look, and when you used analog VU meters, they were damped and would go over 0. Enjoy it, or change screen > Oh, or maybe this is only a Softsqeeze anomaly!? Does the real > transporter show this problem? Its not a problem. It is a feature. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3
Hello, I have a wired SB3 which I bought because I never envisioned having the computer far from my stereo, but I have since moved (into a bigger place with a bedroom) and now have the computer in the bedroom instead of the living room, and so a wired connection is out. Does anybody want to swap a wired SB3 for a wireless? I can throw in $50 cash. I really don't want to shell out another $300 on a SB3 when I already have one... Feel free to email me if you interested: taloyd AT gmail DOT com thanks, -Tal ps: I hope the moderators don't delete this... -- taloyd taloyd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6558 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35743 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?
Hello, I'm not (yet) a Transporter owner, but I'm trying out Slimserver and Softsqueeze. The VU meters are very nice, but WHY do they exceed 0dB? In a digital world, 0dB is the maximum output possible. Is this a software design flaw (done by somebody used to the tape decks of the 80's, or...?) Assuming it is a bug, can we see this fixed in a future version? (The scale should end at 0dB!) Oh, or maybe this is only a Softsqeeze anomaly!? Does the real transporter show this problem? Thanks, Peter -- pnielsen pnielsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Room correction filters are typically 32768 samples, and EQ filters are usually 4096 (although can be longer). -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal
Phil, there have been sessions I've done where we took the bass direct and also miced the amp. Many times the sound is better by flipping phase on the amp mic. After a while, you just KNOW what 'out-of-phase' sounds like in the controlroom and fix it with the simple button push. ___ I just feel that with all the newer technologies, most young engineers spend way too much time 'perfecting' tracks to the sample and forget about the musical performance. Take for example tracking a vocal 15-20 times and creating one PERFECT comp'd take from all of those takes it's no wonder Britney Spears can't sing live!!! -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35708 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint
Thanks again for the advice.. I don't suppose you have heard the aegos vs the engines? People seem to like them both but have either heard one or the other.. -- James_B James_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11309 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35706 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?
blessingx;205682 Wrote: > Decent adjective, as fragments is what I thought you meant. Do you have > a pair of revealing headphones by chance to take the spacial issues out > of the equation? I do have a pair of Koss Pro4AA - decent I suspect. Next time I hear the disturbance I'll replay the track on my SB3 to same amp , if it persists, then headphone out. Good suggestion - thanks. . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 -> Rotel RB 1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal
Whilst sincerely bowing to Eric's superior experience in these matters (the best I can manage is BBC Radio!) - there are times when mics are deliberately flipped out of phase - e.g. when close mic'ing an acoustic guitar with a mic on the hole and one on the neck - sometimes you flip to get a better overall mix. Also, the trick of putting a mic behind an open back combo as well as one in front... Also - just to muddy the waters - there are mic amps like the Focusrite's where you can put the phase between zero and 180 degree's... Of course there is the well known trick of putting the sub oop with the mains, depending on where it is in the room. As an aside, I've been playing (electric) guitar for 35+ years and never wondered if my guitar amps are inverting or not... so I just tried flipping the speaker wires...absolutely NO difference! -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35708 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal
Talk about summing microphones reminds me of another WBAA story. For many years, up through the late 1980's, WBAA used RCA 44BX ribbon microphones for just about everything. When a guest was being interviewed in studio, they would sit across a small table from the interviewer with the 44BX in the center of the table. Since the 44BX is bidirectional, it worked great. In the mid 1980's, we started using a pair of AKG D224E's for interviews. The pair was mounted on a single stand in the center of the table, one pointing at the interviewer and one pointing the opposite direction at the guest. Unfortunately, the mixer had no polarity reverse switch, so we just wired up a short polarity reverse cable for one of the mics. This worked out reasonably well. It's been years since I've worked there, but I think in the remodeled studios they have a lot more physical separation between microphones, so it isn't as critical to play polarity games. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35708 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?
Thanks opaqueice. Quite heated debate towards the middle and end! I read the other forum and if I remember correctly, you said you didn't find much of a audible difference between the power supplies or am I mixing you up with someone else? opaqueice;205696 Wrote: > Yes. Just use the search function. > > EDIT: OK, maybe it's not so easy to find with search: > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 -- PhyreWyre PhyreWyre's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11794 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35704 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?
PhyreWyre;205693 Wrote: > Hi all. The power supplies that I've learned about reading through > these forums are either very expensive (Boulder), sold out (Elpac > WM075-1950), or DIY. Are there any "plug and play" linear power > supplies out there for the Squeezebox 3 that is in stock and ready to > ship for under $50? Yes. Just use the search function. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35704 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?
Hi all. The power supplies that I've learned about reading through these forums are either very expensive (Boulder), sold out (Elpac WM075-1950), or DIY. Are there any "plug and play" linear power supplies out there for the Squeezebox 3 that is in stock and ready to ship for under $50? -- PhyreWyre PhyreWyre's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11794 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35704 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?
The ELPAC you have linked to is a switching power supply. The ELPAC WM220 is a very popular LINEAR, REGULATED power supply that has been used by many SB owners. They can be found used and/or surplus on E-Bay quite often The 5 pin DIN connector will have to be removed and a 2.5 mm DC connector soldered in place. -- Wayne1 Wayne1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35704 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal
pbjbryan;205674 Wrote: > > Many sounds have asymmetric waveforms, especially voice, horns, and > percussion. The audibility of these signals can be affected by absolute > phase reversal if these sounds are prominent, and do not have any > reverb. > > Many years ago, I listened to a double blind demo of absolute phase > differences at an AES chapter meeting in one of the reference listening > rooms at Dolby lab's headquarters in SF. And for many sources, the > effect is not subtle. For others however, especially those with reverb > or ambience, the effect is unnoticable. > Very interesting. Do you remember if any of the sources on which you could hear a difference were complex musical selections, or were they all tones or isolated sounds of some type? Most importantly, was it ever the case that one way sounded better - like an accurate reproduction of the original sound? Or did they just sound different? The only published work on this I've been able to find is http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=6950 . They find that polarity is easily audible on special test tones (I've verified that, it's easy) but for normal music it's mostly inaudible. In fact the only acoustic sounds they identify for which the results are positive are solo piano and solo (acoustic) guitar, which is odd (since these actually have the most symmetric waveforms). For kick drum polarity wasn't audible in their experiment. They speculate that the audibility for the piano and guitar has something to do with transients, such as the initial phase of the sound. However that initial phase varies as you move in a circle around a guitar player, so one might expect that even if the effect is audible, it's not any more realistic one way than the other. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35708 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?
Videodrome;205517 Wrote: > > Am I on the right track? Help! > > Thanks, > > VD Nope, that's definitely a switching power supply (see the catalog page details). Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35704 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal
opaqueice;205671 Wrote: > Have you ever listened to a binaural recording (that's a recording made > with two mics, one per channel, spaced about as far apart as someone's > ears)? Yes, in fact Neumann makes a binaural 'head' called Fritz that has microphones placed in its 'ears'. It was used on an album in the mid-70s that I have. You do get complete surround when listening with headphones. Like I said, I've been doing this for over 35 years in LA, Burbank, Europe (even Abbey Road in London) and am a member of the AES, SMPTE, NARAS and SPARS. IMHO what you're worried about doesn't really happen. Just sit back and enjoy the music. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35708 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Hugh, how wide are the correction filters in Inguz? I guess I have the same question for the equalizer. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?
Decent adjective, as fragments is what I thought you meant. Do you have a pair of revealing headphones by chance to take the spacial issues out of the equation? -- blessingx Squeezebox 3 + Lavry DA1Ø + Woo Audio 6 + Ultrasone 25ØØ / Sennheiser HD65Ø/58Ø/595 blessingx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Roll off?
Not the best adjective I suppose...the best I can describe it is that once in a while...on certain notes the tone fragments momentarily. Maybe reflection? Time to buy a measurment mic and find out how the room specs out I suppose? . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 -> Rotel RB 1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
I would like to share my initial impressions as well. But first of all I would like to thank Inguz for this amazing piece of work! :-) When using normal.drc from Inguz and flat.txt as a target curve, room correction sounds very very bright (way too much treble so to speak) Then I tried normal.drc but bk-3-spline instead, still way way too bright sound. Even when configuring flatness to 3 instead of 10. When using soft.drc and bk-3-spline and flatness at 3 again things start to sound better but still a bit bright :P Apart from my issues with this weird frequency behaviour I certainly hear the great great potential of this room correction system! Actually after listening to this corrected sound I found it hard to turn back to the uncorrected sound. I'm wondering why the corrected sound has soo much treble. For now I guess I will blame my measurements. I do use a behringer ecm8000 microphone together with the behringer tube mic amplifier and a cheap usb soundcard. I guess I might have to replace the soundcard to start with. Regards, Ronald -- tingtong5 tingtong5's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9671 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal
The human auditory system is sensitive to absolute phase because the cells that generate signals from vibrations of the cillia in the basilar membrane are half-wave rectifiers. Many sounds have asymmetric waveforms, especially voice, horns, and percussion. The audibility of these signals can be affected by absolute phase reversal if these sounds are prominent, and do not have any reverb. Many years ago, I listened to a double blind demo of absolute phase differences at an AES chapter meeting in one of the reference listening rooms at Dolby lab's headquarters in SF. And for many sources, the effect is not subtle. For others however, especially those with reverb or ambience, the effect is unnoticable. As a sound engineer for live sound, we learned to make sure the kick drum mic pushes the subs forward when you hit it. -- pbjbryan pbjbryan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35708 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal
Eric Seaberg;205660 Wrote: > The difference in 'time' is what gives us STEREO PERCEPTION. Look at > the space between your two ears, and I'm NOT saying the empty space > ;-). It's the phase relationship between the left and right ear and > the timing/phase difference that allows you to 'place' a sound you hear > with your eyes closed. Sorry, I think we're miscommunicating. I'm worried about what happens when you mix down several mics into one channel, and several more into the other. I agree about "placing" a sound, but that's exactly the point - we only have two ears! So when you use multiple mics scattered around the recording venue and then mix them together, I just can't see how that can be done without badly messing up all that timing information. > > The same holds true in multi-microphone recording techniques. Your > example of a 20Hz wavelength being recorded to two mics 30-feet apart > is not really valid, unless you're recording Bach's Concerto for Solo > 20Hz Oscillator music is multi-frequency with varied > frequencies/wavelengths happening all the time. Sorry, it wasn't 20Hz, it was 1kHz. The point was that the wavelength of all the most important frequencies in music is LESS than a foot or two, so mics farther apart than that are completely out of phase for essentially every sound of interest. Using your example of 30 feet they would only be in phase for frequencies well below 20Hz. > IMHO, there is no possible way to have absolute phase coherency at all > frequencies at all times in an acoustic recording environment. > Actually, if you could, it would probably sound lifeless and sterile > because our ears and brain don't work that way. Really? Have you ever listened to a binaural recording (that's a recording made with two mics, one per channel, spaced about as far apart as someone's ears)? Through headphones, a good binaural recording sounds eerily lifelike - more realistic and alive than anything I've ever heard played over a stereo system. I'm wondering whether these issues are part of the reason. > Many studio reference monitor manufacturers have incorporated phase > coherency (or TIME ALIGNMENT) into their monitors, but it's usually > done by placing the voice-coil of each individual driver in the same > physical plane, allowing the combined sound to leave the 'box' as a > phase aligned source. What happens in the room before it hits your > ears is part of the ear/brain experience that can't be compensated for > UNLESS the music was recorded, mixed and listened to in an anechoic > chamber. Doesn't sound very exciting to me. I don't really see the point in worrying about that when the music your speakers are playing already has hopelessly distorted phase information. I have a small collection of recordings that sound extremely realistic to me played through stereo speakers (Patricia Barber is a good example) - I wonder whether those were made using minimal mic-ing? But I'm also confused why nearly everybody uses many mics when recording - I'm sure there's a good reason! Is it just to allow the engineer more control over the balance of the recording? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35708 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint
Dimensions: Sub Woofer - 265 x 190 x 350mm Satellites - 68mm x 103mm x 90mm I haven't had a problem positioning it. It works well under the desk in a computer situation. In one bedroom, it's on a low bookshelf beneath the sats. In the other bedroom, it's under the bed with the sats high up in the corners of a canopy. I'm not sure where the crossover point is, but it blends well with the sats, and has a 3-position switch for bass level. A variable control would have been better, but I haven't had a problem finding a good setting - the lowest or middle setting works well, depending on how close to a wall you have it. The highest setting is too boomy, IMO. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35706 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal
opaqueice;205594 Wrote: > I don't see how it's possible to mix two mics more than a few inches > apart and preserve any kind of phase coherence. > The difference in 'time' is what gives us STEREO PERCEPTION. Look at the space between your two ears, and I'm NOT saying the empty space ;-). It's the phase relationship between the left and right ear and the timing/phase difference that allows you to 'place' a sound you hear with your eyes closed. The same holds true in multi-microphone recording techniques. Your example of a 20Hz wavelength being recorded to two mics 30-feet apart is not really valid, unless you're recording Bach's Concerto for Solo 20Hz Oscillator music is multi-frequency with varied frequencies/wavelengths happening all the time. IMHO, there is no possible way to have absolute phase coherency at all frequencies at all times in an acoustic recording environment. Actually, if you could, it would probably sound lifeless and sterile because our ears and brain don't work that way. Many studio reference monitor manufacturers have incorporated phase coherency into their monitors, but it's usually done by placing the voice-coil of each individual driver in the same physical plane, allowing the combined sound to leave the 'box' as a phase aligned source. What happens in the room before it hits your ears is part of the ear/brain/ experience that can't be compensated for UNLESS the music was recorded, mixed and listened to in an anechoic chamber. Doesn't sound very exciting to me. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35708 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Olive Musica
Hi- The SB3 and the Olive aren't meant to address exactly the same market. I've got experience with both. The Olive is meant to give high quality digital audio to someone who doesn't want to integrate a PC into their audio setup - that is, a digital music hub as independent stereo system component. Basically, w/out a PC and without any knowledge of ripping, you can stick a CD in an Olive and it will automatically rip in the format you want to the Olive's HD and tag the files. Literally as easy as placing the CD in the unit. In playback it functions in much the same way as an iPod. It can also double as the CD player/transport of your audio system and stream internet radio, all without a PC. The SB3 (and transporter) are more in the niche for someone who has a lot of music on ripped to a PC (or NAS) and wants access to it - both in other rooms and to the stereo system. To clear up some out of date information: 1. The Olive can also be multi-room over an its own WAN (there is even a special add on device for mulitroom access.) 2. In addition, the new firmware (installable by direct download to the unit) allows for connection of both USB and NAS HDD (either directly to the Olive or over a home network), so HDD space is no longer an issue. 3. Files can be moved over your network to and from the Olive, but copying files from the Olive to PC is possible only during an intermediate stage when files are first ripped, not after they have gone through final import into the system. 4. I listen using the Olive sitting about 1 foot from it. I don't hear any noise when playing files from the HD, only when inserting a CD. Finally, the Olive also allows for direct recording of analogue sources, which are digitized and recorded to its HDD. I've used it to record about 100 LP's and it does a great job. The recordings are excellent (using the built in level control and it's default settings) and the software also does a good job of splitting the LP into individual tracks. Each unit has its advantages and disadvantages. I think the most important issue when deciding between the 2 types of systems is the issue of whether you do or don't want your music listening to be PC dependent. For those who don't have problems including a PC in the audio equation, the SB3 and Transporter are probably a better solution. For those with a desire to eliminate the PC from their audio system, the Olive is probably a better choice. Thanks, Danny -- firedog firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21135 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint
Cheers. How large is the Aego´s sub and how well do you find you can hide it? In terms of positioning is it a pain? My ideal would be to only have the sattelites visible.. -- James_B James_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11309 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35706 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
