Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Pale Blue Ego;206279 Wrote: > I find that spinning CDs in a 52x CD-ROM drive for a few hours ... oil > ... lubricating ... reinserted. Conversations like this cause me to convulse. Keep up the good work! -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
I find that spinning CDs in a 52x CD-ROM drive for a few hours tends to elongate some of the zeros, making them slightly more one-like. This provides 50% more resolution, since instead of just 0s and 1s, you have bits that are halfway between. It's like getting an additional 8 bits of resolution for free. Some laser pickups can recognize several gradations of elongation, resulting in 32-bit or even 48-bit resolution. Just don't spin the disc for more than 4 hours or all the bits will turn into ones. If this happens, immersion in peanut oil can partially reverse the process. This also has the effect of lubricating crucial moving parts inside the drive, once the disc is reinserted. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HighDefTapeTransfers site is live again
I wish they had some good live jazz, though. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
I've heard the gallos at a store with a really crappy room, and they still sounded really good. There seemed to be a bit of a hole in the upper bass/lower midrange, but it's hard to say if that was an effect of the room. Hugh/inguz has these speakers, and loves them. -- totoro squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
tyler_durden;206262 Wrote: > I found that a bath in methylene chloride, commonly known as paint > stripper, taking the plastic layer off the metal, makes it much easier > for the camera in the disc player to see the 1's and 0's. All halos > that can make 1's look like 0s are eliminated. The lower mass of the > disc reduces the load on the motor so modulation of the power supply > voltage that feeds the DAC is reduced. Also, the focus coil for the > camera lens has to work less because the metal surface is much smoother > than the plastic surface. This too, leads to lower power supply > modulation. Only if it's audiophile paint stripper, which I also sell at only 100.00 per ounce. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
I found that a bath in methylene chloride, commonly known as paint stripper, taking the plastic layer off the metal, makes it much easier for the camera in the disc player to see the 1's and 0's. All halos that can make 1's look like 0s are eliminated. The lower mass of the disc reduces the load on the motor so modulation of the power supply voltage that feeds the DAC is reduced. Also, the focus coil for the camera lens has to work less because the metal surface is much smoother than the plastic surface. This too, leads to lower power supply modulation. -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
I'm assuming quite a few plays are required for some CDs. After years these GWAR discs still sound bad. -- blessingx Squeezebox 3 + Lavry DA1Ø + Woo Audio 6 + Ultrasone 25ØØ / Sennheiser HD65Ø/58Ø/595 blessingx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HighDefTapeTransfers site is live again
http://www.highdeftapetransfers.net/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?listcategories No affiliation. Just a happy customer. -- Bas Horneman Bas Horneman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Time, heat and use wear it out. That would also describe the human condition :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
kphinney;206247 Wrote: > Sounds a bit counter intuitive. If there is no break-in then there > shouldn't be a "useful life" if proper care and maintenance is > maintained, no? What burns out or gives up the ghost in a transport > that couldn't change with time, if that time were considered break-in > time? > > My thread opener was actually tongue-in-cheek. Plastic worm gears that drive the head back and forth get to lose over time or get sticky from dried up grease. The Laser head (lens) is what does the fine tracking. It's pretty much all or nothing. It can track properly or it can't. Eventually it won't. Rubber belts also dry up or stretch that spin the disk and open the draw. Time, heat and use wear it out. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Pat Farrell;206248 Wrote: > tomjtx wrote: > > kphinney;206237 Wrote: > >> Isn't olive oil only for Italian Opera? > > > > Not if it's a Mozart opera, then you need beer. > > Pils or Alt or ? > > For Wagner, you need many beers > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Many beers and a bathroom VERY close. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
tomjtx wrote: > kphinney;206237 Wrote: >> Isn't olive oil only for Italian Opera? > > Not if it's a Mozart opera, then you need beer. Pils or Alt or ? For Wagner, you need many beers -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
mswlogo;206244 Wrote: > > But if you want to burn up useful life of your burner, go for it. The > laser head is floating in a magnetic field. There is nothing to break > in. > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35553 Sounds a bit counter intuitive. If there is no break-in then there shouldn't be a "useful life" if proper care and maintenance is maintained, no? What burns out or gives up the ghost in a transport that couldn't change with time, if that time were considered break-in time? My thread opener was actually tongue-in-cheek. -- kphinney SB3 -> Zhaolu D2.5 ->JoLida 102B -> Omega Grand 6's. -> AKG K501's kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
mswlogo;206244 Wrote: > The only thing that needs breakin is speakers. > > Break in cables, too funny. But if you want to burn up useful life of > your burner, go for it. The laser head is floating in a magnetic field. > There is nothing to break in. > > Check out Bryston's comments on break in. > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35553 Burning in cables is well worth the effort and if you have a convection oven you don't even need to pre heat. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
kphinney;206229 Wrote: > I figure since I've had to burn in my cables, and tubes, and amp, > phones, DAC, and speakers, I may just as well burn in my CD's before I > rip them to FLAC. After all the laser must loosen up those digits on > the disk a bit, right? What do you recommend; 100 hours of constant > play before they develop the desired sound? The only thing that needs breakin is speakers. Break in cables, too funny. But if you want to burn up useful life of your burner, go for it. The laser head is floating in a magnetic field. There is nothing to break in. Check out Bryston's comments on break in. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35553 -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
seanadams;206241 Wrote: > Good point, I should not just assume everyone is in the northern > hemisphere. In Buenos Aires the water goes down the drain in reverse (probably one of the reasons they have more therapists per capita than even New York) My audiophile friends there all mod their cd players to spin the other way and claim a vast improvement. Makes perfect sense. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
opaqueice, I use Room EQ Wizard, which is a freeware program that is actually meant to create room correction filters for external digital equalizers like the Behringer. But it is able to import up to 9 impulse response files at one time, which makes it perfect for this kind of visualization. The trick is to first convert the WAV files created by DRC to 16 bit stereo. REQW can't open the default 32 bit floating point files created by DRC. You can do this with a program like Goldwave, or maybe even dBpowerAmp. How far down is your global gain? Do I take your statement to mean that you wound up selecting one of the more extreme filters? What sort of speakers do you have? Hugh, well I used the excuse of not having too much to do at work today to take a half day (g). I tried a few filters, picked one and listened to music for about an hour, and then went back to no filter. Um, well, it got pretty obvious that the uncorrected low end out of my system - which I always liked becuase it had "heft" - was really a bit overwhelming on a lot of music. But I did wind up preferring the filters that sloped up toward the low end, just as "Anne" indicated in post #17. I'm glad you brought up the Sweeps with EQ. I was a little confused by this. If I have selected a filter, won't that filter be operating when I then select the plain old Sweep and Pink Noise test signals? Also, I tried playing with the Flatness filter but I'm having trouble with it. It won't "lock" to the value I want. What key press do I use to lock in the selection after I use the Up/Down keys to move the slider to the desired value? I tried a couple of different keys but it always goes back to 10 when I look at the slider again. Now that I'm beginning to understand what I'm hearing... nice little program you've turned out! -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
seanadams;206233 Wrote: > In fact the sustained spinning can cause dilation of the data due to > centrifugal force ... Centrifugal or centripetal? -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Patrick Dixon;206239 Wrote: > Centrifugal or centripetal? Good point, I should not just assume everyone is in the northern hemisphere. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
The gallos consistently get rave reviews and are reasonably priced, I hope you do give us feedback if you buy them. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
kphinney;206237 Wrote: > Isn't olive oil only for Italian Opera? Not if it's a Mozart opera, then you need beer. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Isn't olive oil only for Italian Opera? -- kphinney SB3 -> Zhaolu D2.5 ->JoLida 102B -> Omega Grand 6's. -> AKG K501's kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
Don't forget to apply a drop of virgin olive oil before ripping! -- michel michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
It's not so much the laser as the handling that CDs typically go through over the years which if done correctly can have a favorable effect on the bits. Inserting and removing CDs from their packaging gradually reduces the shininess of the surface. Some shiny is OK, the laser needs that to detect 1s vs 0s. But if the surface is too shiny, the 1s will have kind a halo, and this can make them appear to have a more zero-like shape as they are read by the tiny camera in the CD transport. This is why brand new CDs often sound significantly louder than ones that have been on the shelf for a long time. If you are ripping new CDs, just putting htem in the CD player for a few hours is not going to do much to them. In fact the sustained spinning can cause dilation of the data due to centrifugal force - you really don't want that as it will reduce the playback pitch in the same way that an excessively capacitive s/pdif cable can. Instead it is recommended to simulate the effects of normal day-to-day handling, and this can easily be done with medium grit sandpaper and an orbital sander (NOT a belt or drum type, those are only for tapes). Press gently and scrub in a circular pattern until the glare of the surface has been reduced to a normal level. Then it should rip accurately. Good luck! -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
DRC does indeed create some "pre-anti-signal" to correct for the early
reflections; and yes, if you take this too far it's audible. There's
an "insane.drc" in the DRC distribution to show what this sounds like.
The clipping level usually won't change much depending on the strength
of the DRC applied, although it is affected by "flatness" and other EQ
(especially e.g. bass boost).
The more general side-effect is that as you increase the strength of
digital room correction, the listening-position sensitivity increases;
mostly you hear this as a HF comb effect where moving your head an inch
or two left or right changes the tone balance. Depending on your choice
of music this can be more or less annoying. To hear at its most
intrusive, listen to pink noise ("with EQ" on the test signals menu).
(Also listen to pink noise without EQ - the effect happens in normal
un-DSP'd playback too, because of the room reflections).
In the end, digital room correction works best when it has the least to
do...
--
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD burn in time.
I figure since I've had to burn in my cables, and tubes, and amp, phones, DAC, and speakers, I may just as well burn in my CD's before I rip them to FLAC. After all the laser must loosen up those digits on the disk a bit, right? What do you recommend; 100 hours of constant play before they develop the desired sound? -- kphinney SB3 -> Zhaolu D2.5 ->JoLida 102B -> Omega Grand 6's. -> AKG K501's kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35788 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
tonyptony;206184 Wrote: > Thanks Hugh. So would digital clipping be the major reason why I > wouldn't want to use some of the more extreme filters? Among the ones I > picked for testing, there are some that clearly produce a much more > tightly controlled output across the audio band, perhaps at the expense > of more correction points which may be altering the signal by 10dB or > more. Ultimately I will pick what I think sounds best, but in theory > (assuming no clipping occurs) would the tighter curves be preferred? What program are you using to generate those nice plots? I think there can be artifacts introduced by RC algorithms when you take them too far. Maybe Hugh can comment on this, but my understanding is that if you want to really remove all room effects, you have to do more than just equalization. Suppose there's a sharp loud noise coming up later in the track. That noise will echo several times off the surfaces in your listening room. To remove that you have to modify the signal BEFORE the noise occurs - I suppose roughly speaking you send out an anti-echo first so that it cancels the real echo when it gets there. I'm not sure whether DRC does this, but I think it might, and overdoing something like can lead to artifacts. I'd recommend setting the global gain quite a ways down so you can't damage anything, and then try more and more extreme filters until you hear something that sounds bad. That's the way I did it quite a while back when I set this up. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...
linuxtx;206169 Wrote: > I already have the SB3, not the transporter, and was wondering if the > money spent on replacing it with a transporter would be better spent on > an external DAC. Maybe I should be more clear. Even if you bought a DAC, if the DAC does not have jitter-reduction, you will be hearing the effects of the transport jitter (SB3 is the transport in this case). Jitter in digital output can have a significant effect on the quality of the output. The whole spectrum gets affected by jitter. Ofcourse, certain, DACs like the Lavry DA10 have jitter reduction built in and so are immune to jitter at the digital input. Many people who are using external DACs with their SB3 have gotten SB3 modded for a better digital output. I have spent around $350 for power supply + digital mods from boldercables.com. It is money worth well spent from my point of view. -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
If you do audition those Gallos, let us know what you think - they look pretty interesting. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
SlimServer runs fine on OS X. I'm using it. Another option is getting an Airport Extreme which would allow you to turn any USB drive into a NAS drive. -- blessingx Squeezebox 3 + Lavry DA1Ø + Woo Audio 6 + Ultrasone 25ØØ / Sennheiser HD65Ø/58Ø/595 blessingx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Thanks Hugh. So would digital clipping be the major reason why I wouldn't want to use some of the more extreme filters? Among the ones I picked for testing, there are some that clearly produce a much more tightly controlled output across the audio band, perhaps at the expense of more correction points which may be altering the signal by 10dB or more. Ultimately I will pick what I think sounds best, but in theory (assuming no clipping occurs) would the tighter curves be preferred? -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Generally, no, I wouldn't be too concerned. The two bad things that can happen (in the digital domain, at least) are either that you exceed the available range and start clipping; or that you attenuate too much and lose resolution. InguzDSP has a "global gain" setting in the config file so you can tune to avoid clipping. If clipping does occur (and with just about any filter, clipping can happen on some signals), then it automatically winds the global gain down by 0.5dB per second until it stops. My approach to the resolution part is to always output 24-bit samples, even though the input is usually 16-bit (and to dither at the lowest bit too). Not all the extra 8 bits of dynamic range will end up being used, since the real noise floor of the DAC is likely to be down around the 20th bit, but at least you avoid digital truncation issues. -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...
linuxtx, The SB3 will play or pass files up to 48kHz-24bit. When playing 96kHz files, it apparently decimates the stream by dropping every other sample, to make it look like 48kHz before being converted to analog. I think this is done without a good 24kHz filter, as I think 96kHz files sound like they have significantly more noise than the same track down-sampled to 48kHz outside of Slimserver, using a tool such as Audacity or DBpowerAMP. This "down-sampling" appears to be done before the digital output, as the same effect is occuring on the digital outputs as well as the analog output. In a nutshell - if you want to listen to 96kHz-sampled tracks then get a Transporter. -Ron -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 -> CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A -> Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max -> Sennheiser 650s *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...
Heuer;206111 Wrote: > Transporter and then upgrade later to a better external DAC if you see > fit. SB3 will play 24/96 files but crudely drops every other sample to > play at 24/48. Transporter does 24/96 perfectly. > > If you are going to rip vinyl or download high rez files the > Transporter is the only option. I already have the SB3, not the transporter, and was wondering if the money spent on replacing it with a transporter would be better spent on an external DAC. The advantages to the X-DAC V8 include the USB input for PC and the tube output option. It upsamples to 24bit 192kHz, and can take such an input. I guess my biggest question, will the SB3 pass the highres files to the DAC, or does it just refuse to try and play them. I know its DAC cannot handle them, and the transporter can, but if you are using an external DAC can the SB3 pass the signal even? I certainly do not want to spend the money on the Transporter, then another chunk on an external DAC to go with it, I would be looking to the transporter as the final DAC I buy for this system. -- linuxtx linuxtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
Thanks for the replies. Skunk: I wasn't planning on running out tomorrow and spending my money. I plan to do more research and I realize that going out and auditioning is the way to do that. Thanks for the suggestion to seek out enthusiasts. I'm in LA right now, moving to Berkeley in late summer, so I'm sure there are some near me... Balthazar: so you suggest getting a NAS but not running slimserver from it and then getting another box to run slimserver? That sounds expensive but I can see the appeal. How well does slimserver run on a Mac? I might consider getting a Mac mini instead of a Linux machine. Never used Linux, love my mac... -- Hypnotoad Hypnotoad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
Hypnotoad;206025 Wrote: > Hi, > > I plan to rip all of my CDs, put them on an external hard drive and get > a Transporter (which I would operate from my MacBook Pro). > > I'm then thinking about using the Transporter to directly feed the > PrimaLuna Monoblocks (Prologue 6 or 7). Then, from this, drive Gallo > Reference 3.1. Total cost of the system is around $7500 (with the > Transporter). > > Does this sound like a good set up? I figure I could later upgrade the > system by buying a good pre-amp, the Gallo amp (which effectively adds > a sub-woofer to the Gallo's), a good stand, etc. Do you think there > would be a better way to spend $7500 on music equipment? > > Some recommendations for your consideration based on my own experiences (I have these Gallo speakers, by the way, and their sound is gorgeous. I used a Velodyne sub and am not sure adding the Gallo amp to boost their low end will get me much): Seriously think about getting a NAS for storing your music. It has a number of advantages, like operating when my workstation is off, providing higher availability in the event of a disk problem, letting me expand my storage very simply, providing other functions like print server, data backups, file shares, etc. I use a NAS (Infrant ReadyNAS+) and built an essentially silent racked box for my media server. I can swap out the box (or my workstation) without having to deal with a terabyte or more of stored media, and put the NAS anywhere I want. Second suggestion is to build/buy a headless, silent, dedicated Linux-based media server to run Slimserver. This can go in your equipment rack, in your basement, or anywhere you want. Having one uncomplicates having something running on your workstation that can interact (interfere?) with your other activities (game-playing, spreadsheeting, etc.). Slimserver is usually well-behaved, but I tend to believe in isolating dedicated functions whenever possible (and affordable). The other driver to do this is that frankly Slimserver runs better and more efficiently under Linux than Windows, for whatever reason. A Linux-based Slimserver will whomp the Windows version when it comes to any database-utilizing function, like library scans, and Windows has so many things going on (compared to Linux) that there should be many fewer incidents with L than W. I use the free NX client/server application to control my Slim media server from any workstation/laptop in the house. Very easy to use. My $.02... -- Balthazar_B Balthazar_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7366 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?
Timothy Stockman;206066 Wrote: > One major issue is: just what are you expecting to see? Good point! That's obviously what totally blinded me. Since the Transporter is an all-digital device, my mind was all set on seeing a dB scale ending in 0dB, and that's what I was seeing in my mind even though a "dB" label does not exist and the "VU" label is clearly there. I guess a new display mode displaying dB meters would be a nice addition, and take away a lot of the confusion too :) Peter -- pnielsen pnielsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
Hypnotoad;206025 Wrote: > > I'm getting a better paying job and want to waste my money on audio > equipment! Help me. > Keywords: Getting, Waste. I agree with others RE listening to a lot of systems before laying out cash, which works out great because I also recommend that form of currency, and not running up the charge card while counting on the job you're getting (future tense). Perhaps blowing your first bonus or celebrating a corporate takeover would be a better strategy, so in the meantime you can save for more important things like your future/current daughter's sweet sixteen birthday party. Don't limit yourself to hiFi salons though. Find some people on audio forums in your area who have a system they'll let you audition. Or maybe there is a group that meets regularly? There is a lot of bang for the buck out there these days, but not a huge profit margin on such components, so you probably won't see things like panasonic digital receivers used with a squeezebox or $100 chip amps driving high efficiency single driver speakers, unless you seek out enthusiasts over salesmen. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...
Heuer;206111 Wrote: > Transporter and then upgrade later to a better external DAC if you see > fit. SB3 will play 24/96 files but crudely drops every other sample to > play at 24/48. Transporter does 24/96 perfectly.Heuer, mind if I ask what do > you mean 'by every other sample'? Non-24/96? -- blessingx Squeezebox 3 + Lavry DA1Ø + Woo Audio 6 + Ultrasone 25ØØ / Sennheiser HD65Ø/58Ø/595 blessingx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...
Transporter and then upgrade later to a better external DAC if you see fit. SB3 will play 24/96 files but crudely drops every other sample to play at 24/48. Transporter does 24/96 perfectly. If you are going to rip vinyl or download high rez files the Transporter is the only option. It works great out of the box and you can always try it with your XDAC before deciding to get rid of it. I use a Audio Synthesis DAX Discrete for my TP and previously the SB£. The TP was a big step up. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...
Transporter. Less jitter than SB3+MF Dac (I dont think the MF DAC has jitter reduction). Lavry DA10 has good jitter reduction, so even a SB3 would do. This setup costing $1300 might compare favorably with the Transporter at $2K. -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
