Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
What sort of audiophile do you want to be? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
aberdeencomponents;215323 Wrote: > Hi Gary, > Using filters and especially ferrites "can" be damaging to the sound > quality. > You must take several measurements in choosing the right filter design > or amount and type of ferrite used in noise suppression. > > Anthony additional info: Conventional passive power conditioners have a "compromise" filer design. The designer tries to make a wide band filter that can work well on any given current load. The problem is: the given current of a component is a major factor in designing a optimum filter for that particular component. These manufactures of such power conditioners will never admit to the above. Exactpower is one manufacture who takes power quality issues seriously, has develop products that have a non compromised filter design. The Ultrapure I and II has several receptacles with optimized filters designs that are based on various current loadings. Furutech has the TP-80 with a similar feature. The Exactpower EPDS is based on my firewall technology filter design.. My preference and it may not be feasible solution to others, is to have the filter inside the component, right after the IEC, OPTOMISED for that component. My concern is not just making sure a component is fed clean power, .I am equally concerned what that very same component may inject into others -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
As they said in Star Wars episode 4 Ive got a very bad feeling about this. -- tgoldstone tgoldstone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=373 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
I am relatively new to decent equipment which includes a Squeezebox and a Benchmark DAC. Lots of people in these forums as well as many in magazines like Stereophile toss around numbers and electronics details fairly casually but it really makes no sense to me. That being said, I really would like to learn... Any good resources either on the web or at a bookstore? Thanks. -- jhelmus SB3->Benchmark DAC1->Nait 5i->B&W 805S http://www.last.fm/user/jhelmus/ jhelmus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12307 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Well said Sean!!! -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
GaryG;215304 Wrote: > Anthony > > Do you not think the inductors in line filters compress the dynamics of > the equipment they're connected to? > > Regards > Gary Hi Gary, Using filters and especially ferrites "can" be damaging to the sound quality. You must take several measurements in choosing the right filter design or amount and type of ferrite used in noise suppression. Anthony -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
ganjastone, Thanks, I appreciate your perspective, and I agree that I personally need to strive to set an example for level headed discussion in this forum. However, I respectfully believe that you have misinterpreted my position on this. I accused Omega of trolling because of the _manner_, not the subject of his post. Wikipedia defines a troll as: -In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding- If you think I made the wrong call, then we shall have to agree to disagree, because I stand by that assessment based on the deliberately inflammatory language that Omega has used throughout this thread. If you think that it was wrong of me to merely _say so_, even if it _was_ a deliberate troll, then again I disagree. The S/N ratio in this forum is not going to improve if we all tolerate (and even encourage!) trolling. As respects the actual claims that were made: please read my posts on pages 6, 7, and 8 where I really did my best to address Omega's claims and to suggest a constructive course of action. You will see that I did in fact suggest some very simple tests that Omega could have easily performed which would have helped to elucidate the problem. _He_ refused. What else can I do? I could not reproduce his problem, I have already tested the product extensively, and I could think of no theory that would support his claim. As several others have pointed out, I would be the first to devote my full attention to solving such a bug. But first we need to identify what we want to fix. Finally, I believe that a disproportionate share of the dismissive/mean language in this thread is being attributed to me after the fact. I encourage you to re-read ONLY my posts from the beginning of this thread, and to separate the trolling issue from my analysis of his actual claims. I did not question his claims because I thought he was trolling. I questioned them because I believed him to be mistaken. Sean -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
seanadams;214132 Wrote: > Which DVR is it by the way? Are the files plain old mpegs or transport > streams, or are they in some kind of special container format? If the > latter, it is possible that they have some additional data generated > during the encoding process to facilitate scanning. Would be > interesting to do a packet dump... MCE2005. So if I understand correctly, DVR-MS is just MPEG2 with a metadata wrapper. So, I assume it's an MPEG-2 file. Just to be sure, I just went and tested an SD and an HD recorded file accessed from my Infrant NV across the network to the MCE. Both work fine in both jump ahead/jump back mode. I have it setup to skip 7 sec back (missed what just happened) and skip 30 sec forward (skip commercial) - both work somewhat instantaneously and for multiple clicks. It also works fine for both formats for fast forward or rewind in multiple levels of speed. It can get into trouble if you leave it too long in those modes, but it falls very squarely into the acceptable implementation range for all practical uses. Obviously the audio is silent during the video jumps, but it does come back instantly when playback resumes. There's no reason to think this is anything more than user experience issue since it's really the video you are searching anyway and the chipmunk sound would just be annoying anyway. It may be technically challenging too, but it strikes me that the buffering challenges would be much greater in the HD video scenario than the audio only scenario. For grins, I also checked the music portion of the MCE. For reference, MCE's music capabilities are laughable and in my opinion, the PM for that portion of the product should find alternative employment. However, the FF function works well for MP3. There apparently isn't an option for RW since it does nothing when you press that button. So for MP3, the MCE has proven that a workable and CD-like verion of FF is possible. I can't say the lack RW function is technical since the overall implementation for music in MCE is so bad, I'd assume poor product management first. -- thomsens thomsens's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
Hi markwm, I get excellent results with the 'BBE Sonic Maximizer' (http://www.bbesound.com/products/maxim/maxim.asp) products. -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
ganjastone;215301 Wrote: > Not only you're not suggesting any help solving his so called problem, > you accuse him with different accusations. > > You don't even think of running a simple test, instead you suggest he > provides "scientific" proof (my words not yours). Actually, Sean's done a great deal of testing, both simple and complex, on the SB3 and the Transporter. He's never once observed the problem Omega spoke of... since it hasn't been seen before, some repeatable, measurable tests were proposed. None of them have been tried yet, or at least no data has been provided from the tests. Instead of measureable, repeatable data, we got a lot of "all of my friends hear it too!" responses. Interestingly, the results from the measurements Omega had made externally showed no difference. Here's his quote: omega;213761 Wrote: > Hi Craig! > > We only used Inguz "pink noise" source during the measure. > I am not using Inguz DSP plugin. > > I got the result from the measurement, but this shows "nothing". > This measure not measuring "Phase" etc. Early on, Sean suggested a placebo effect as one possible cause, which immediately started to reduce the signal-to-noise ratio on the thread. It shouldn't have, since the placebo effect has been proved over-and-over in a number of disciplines. In fact, even groups of people can suffer from it (a severe form being mass hysteria). At this point, since no one has provided measurable differences of audio before and after, and the external measurements showed no delta, I think the safe hypothesis is just as Sean orginally proposed: "placebo effect". If there's repeatable evidence to the contrary, I'm sure Sean would dig into it and try to identify the cause with an eye toward solving the problem. > Your attitude might even cause me to run a stupid on/off pausing test > :) > > I btw, am not a troll, but a true real happy SB user from Israel I tried it, too. The results aren't really relevant, since I didn't run the tests blind or double-blind. Let's just say I heard *exactly* what I expected I would hear. -=> Jim -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remote Volume Control/Speaker Selector
Does anyone know of a high end speaker selector/IR enabled volume control unit? - Jeff -- JSonnabend JSonnabend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36900 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Anthony Do you not think the inductors in line filters compress the dynamics of the equipment they're connected to? Regards Gary -- GaryG GaryG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
If you have some music that can be so improved by a simple tone adjustment, wouldn't the best solution be to rip the CD, use an audio editor to make those tone adjustments, and then either burn them back to CD or load them into SlimServer? In other words, if you've identified a disc that has problems that can be corrected in such a manner, why not just modify the disc so that it no longer sounds wrong--and why not simply throw out the disc that sounds wrong when you're done? Then you don't need tone controls, and you also don't have to reset everything back to normal when you play a different disc. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Dear CEO, I truely admire your products and have 4 SB and planning on buying a Transporter soon. Being a "heavy" SB user and audiophile I am sure Omega and co. are doing something wrong. Said that, I totally agree with adamslim and I think your attitude is both insulting your users and even suspicious. I, as a former R&D manager and currently as a Director of a Product, have a lot of interaction with customers. I would never ever think of answering a paying customer or even someone that I suspect is trolling my forums in the same manner you did with Omega (especially not in a public forum, even though I hope this was cinical). Not only you're not suggesting any help solving his so called problem, you accuse him with different accusations. You don't even think of running a simple test, instead you suggest he provides "scientific" proof (my words not yours). Your attitude might even cause me to run a stupid on/off pausing test :) I btw, am not a troll, but a true real happy SB user from Israel -- ganjastone ganjastone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3122 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] s/pdf SB better than s/pdf soundcard pc?
Hi Guys, Thanks a lot for all your good advices! I think I'll stick to the SB3! Anko -- anko anko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9983 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36784 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
I'm in the purist camp as well -- leave the signal path as unadulterated as possible. That said, I recently purchased a Velodyne SMS-1 to equalize my subwoofer. It had some nasty peaks betwen 30-60Hz. I've got much cleaner bass now. But bear in mind, I'm only manipulating the 20-80Hz range. Above that, I don't want to muck about. -- Videodrome Two-channel System: SB3, into Musiland MD-10 DAC; Outlaw 970 Pre/Pro; McCormack DNA-125 amplifier; Quad 11L speakers; Sota Sapphire ttbl. w/ Grado Ref. Platinum Cart. into Rolls Bellari VP-129 tube phono stage; Marantz 10b; Nakamichi RX505; Cables Used: DH Labs, Van den Hul, Distech, Monster, many more. Videodrome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11727 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
seanadams;215234 Wrote: > You are absolutely right, but you're taking my comments quite out of > context. The original post was not a mere inquiry or observation. It > was a (very successful) troll. From the beginning > Omega/Hammer65/KalleAnka has/have asserted that there is a bug, a > "design miss", a "serious problem" etc. > > For better of worse, I tend to reply to people's posts in kind. > However, if you subtract the trolling accusation (which was completely > unrelated to the specifics of the alleged "bugg") my initial response > was dry and impartial: "[...]I would suggest that you consider the > placebo affect and apply some simple controls for it in your > experiments. Good luck." > > Is it unreasonable for me to insist on proper testing before I'm > willing to explore this kind of claim? I for one prefer not to leap > directly into the usual handwaving about jitter, EMI, and other "poorly > understood" subjects... at least not until we have a modicum of > confidence that the thing exists. Out of context? Agreed! However, I do think that, as CEO of Slim (or whatever nowadays!), you need to rise above how people phrase what they say, for two reasons: 1 - some are foreign and do not express themselves well in English 2 - these are people who have paid money to you. Don't be sycophantic, but do default to validating their position (not necessarily their claim - i.e. see how this would make them unhappy as paying customers if they were right, not that they are actually being reasonable or correct) And yes, it is clearly unreasonable to expect them to perform extensive testing prior to posting here. Part of the point of a forum is to be able to wave about completely illogical and unsubstantiable opinions - some people like that. Encourage them to do the test in a more controlled fashion. Why not offer people a free Squeezebox if they can find an acoustic flaw that results in a change to SlimServer or the firmware? Rather than denigrate them for not doing rigorous scientific testing, why not bribe them to do so? It'd be cheaper than doing it yourself! Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
IMO, The transporter is the finest product of its kind. After purchasing units from Sonus, Olive and others, .. Nothing comes even close to the interface and sound quality the Transporter delivers.. The user interface, the tech support, the ongoing R&D in firmware is way more than any other company offers. Saying the above, there was no way I wanted to go head to head with Sean. Just A few weeks ago I sent Sean an email, expressing my respect for his accomplishments he had achieved. Anyways-I would like to apologize to Sean for any grief I may have caused. For the ones interested in the line filter mod, please refer to this post: http://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-28541.html Regards, Anthony -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
JimC;215260 Wrote: > ;-) Even I can use humor, at least once in a while. > > > -=> Jim So should we all, at least from time to time. ;-)) . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 -> Rotel RB 1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
Ok, have had a shiny new Transporter up and running for all of 8 hours and am very happy with sound quality and most aspects of the interface (server could be better, but hey...) However, have to say that behaviour of FF/RWD is at best useless, and IS a very annoying issue in my opinion. I have to agree with other people here that there is no need to implement a CD player style scan function. For me the ideal functionality would be, 1) The ability to skip forwards/backwards in 10, 20 or 30 second jumps 2) The ability to drop a marker which can be jumped back to repeatedly This should be accessable from the player and not just the server side of things. Cheers, John. -- JohnWH JohnWH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12401 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
haunyack;215252 Wrote: > Touche'... > . ;-) Even I can use humor, at least once in a while. -=> Jim -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
tomjtx Wrote: > > Good for you. According to my sister who is a child therapist every > study done on the subject shows that spanking has no positive effect > and only has a negative effect on the child It's also illegal in many countries. I suspect before long that will be the case in the US as well. A few months ago in Turin, Italy I saw a parent strike a misbehaving child. This was just outside the train station, and a guard that saw it yelled at the parent and threatened to call the police. The situation was complicated by the fact that the mother was wearing hijab, which made me wonder if the guard would have reacted the same way to Christian-looking parents, but still, be warned - if you're going to spank your children, be careful where you do it! -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
JimC;215243 Wrote: > > > Oddly, as I'm apparently an authoritarian, I don't spank or hit my > kids. > > > -=> Jim Touche' I'm with you on that. . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 -> Rotel RB 1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
JimC;215243 Wrote: > My father was a Marine Corp Drill Instructor. He liked to use the big > leather belt with the Marine Corp logo on it... It's possible I still > have "Semper Fidelis" imprinted on my rear-end. > > Oddly, as I'm apparently an authoritarian, I don't spank or hit my > kids. > > > -=> Jim Good for you. According to my sister who is a child therapist every study done on the subject shows that spanking has no positive effect and only has a negative effect on the child -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
haunyack;215205 Wrote: > My stepfather would give me one chance to find the appropriate > switch..otherwise , he would find one and that usually spelled > trouble. > > He was German. > > . My father was a Marine Corp Drill Instructor. He liked to use the big leather belt with the Marine Corp logo on it... It's possible I still have "Semper Fidelis" imprinted on my rear-end. Oddly, as I'm apparently an authoritarian, I don't spank or hit my kids. -=> Jim -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
adamslim;215179 Wrote: > I think the point is the attitude shown by Slim Devices and Logitech > staff. Someone posts saying they reckon XYZ sounds better or worse, > the people in power can respond in one of these ways: > > - Oh that's interesting. The areas that affect this have not been > changed at all by the factor that you propose, and our measurements > indicate that there is no change. Could you try this blind? Is anyone > else finding anything like this? It does seem unlikely, so we'd > appreciate a bit more data. > > - That can't happen. What is the point of coming out with comments > like this that have no basis in my understanding of reality and have > not been tested to destruction? Please go away you small person > resembling genitalia. > > It is possible to be open and sceptical, like the first approach, > rather than being dismissive like the second. It encourages others to > try to test the phenomenon, adding to the dataset, whereas the second > approach puts a lot of people off. > > Whatever people are hearing, they are unlikely to post here without > thinking it might be real. Let's have some healthy scepticism and > constructive comments - especially from the Slim staff. There is a lot > of voodoo and snake oil in hi-fi, but there is also a lot that is > unknown or poorly understood. > > Adam Adam, You are absolutely right, but you're taking my comments quite out of context. The original post was not a mere inquiry or observation. It was a (very successful) troll. From the beginning Omega/Hammer65/KalleAnka has/have asserted that there is a bug, a "design miss", a "serious problem" etc. For better of worse, I tend to reply to people's posts in kind. However, if you subtract the trolling accusation (which was completely unrelated to the specifics of the alleged "bugg") my initial response was dry and impartial: "[...]I would suggest that you consider the placebo affect and apply some simple controls for it in your experiments. Good luck." Is it unreasonable for me to insist on proper testing before I'm willing to explore this kind of claim? I for one prefer not to leap directly into the usual handwaving about jitter, EMI, and other "poorly understood" subjects... at least not until we have a modicum of confidence that the thing exists. Sean -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
The thread has been undeleted and locked. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
anselld wrote: > You just get used to hearing the music as the musician/producer > intended it. As filtered by your amp, speakers, room placement, room acoustics, etc. > I dont know the theory, but the reason most highend > systems dont have tone or equalisers is that it is impossible or very > difficult to design one which does not in some way detract from the > overall quality of reproduced sound. The theory is straight forward. Most audiophiles want a wire with gain. The less in the path, the less chance for something to screw it up. All reasonably priced analog "tone controls" or equalizers mangle the signal phase. And phase is critical to realism. Some mangle it terribly, beyond recognition. Serious professional studio equalizers cost about a thousand dollars per channel. It makes no sense to put such expensive parts in a preamp when 99% of the folks will never use it. Nearly all serious audiophile integrated, and obviously all preamp/amp combinations, make it trivial to patch in an EQ for those who want it. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
markwm;215198 Wrote: > I know a lot of higher end amps have no tone controls but I find myself > partial to them. I like to crank the treble and bass up on my Rotel > RA02 integrated amp. > > This means I'm a little reluctant to upgrade to a more expensive amp > because I fear the lack of tone controls will somehow let me down. > > On my previous setup I used both the EQ in iTunes and those on my Amp > to get the sound I want. How do you live with no EQ? You just get used to hearing the music as the musician/producer intended it. I dont know the theory, but the reason most highend systems dont have tone or equalisers is that it is impossible or very difficult to design one which does not in some way detract from the overall quality of reproduced sound. -- anselld anselld's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11703 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
I would vote to lock this thread as well, but not delete: it is way too funny :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
KalleAnka;215168 Wrote: > Wow, really dont know how to say it but.. yes i also live in Sweden, > and yes I also work in the same > company as omega and hammer65, but no I am not one of them. Yeah right... Same writing style... same spelling errors... KalleAnka;215168 Wrote: > Serious, I have never been to a forum where the Founder or the Director > of a product are so rude and insolent. Then why are you coming now? Just because omega and hammer65 ask you to do so? KalleAnka;215168 Wrote: > You always have to be updated you know and now these guys (omega and > hammer65) have discovered that there are some small sound change in > SB3. If you had read their postings, you would have noted that the real measurements they made showed that there were no differences, but still they insisted that there were differences... KalleAnka;215168 Wrote: > If I was the founder of a product I have had been glad to get this > information. > No one is perfect you know What information? There were no measured differences, so what information are you talking about... No one is perfect indeed... but your 'friends' claim they have perfect ears which is a wellknown defect with audiophiles... KalleAnka;215168 Wrote: > Im also sure that a lot of friends to us neither will after reading the > stuff from JimC and seanadams. The same counts here: I won't buy any services of a company where they hire idiots like you and your 'friends'... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
resurrect and lock. guys I have been to Italy for a few days over the weekend and now I come back to Germany and MY THREAD is totally gone? HEY I've put work into that! next time I'll think twice before starting a new one! do you really want your customers to keep their mouthes shut? I am not responsible for what the others users did to my thread but in fact I found quite some nice information about transporter mods and other infos there... and nor was my thread ment to be a battle arena for the CEOs of known companies... -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | B&W Nautilus 802 D | >>> Live musicians at the end of my room! <<< truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
The Inguz plugin for SS has various settings, from simple tone controls to a multiple (13?) band equalizer. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
Pat Farrell;215182 Wrote: > seanadams wrote: > > OK, I vote we send everybody out back to pick their own switch. > > Your folks did that too? I thought only mine were that mean. > If the switch was too wimpy, you had to go back and get another > non-wimpy one. > > Is this from all parents world-wide? or just those from the American > mid-west? > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ My stepfather would give me one chance to find the appropriate switch..otherwise , he would find one and that usually spelled trouble. He was German. . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 -> Rotel RB 1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36826 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
I'm quite keen to here people answers on this, was having a chat the other day with the owner of an audio shop. I have an old technics equaliser that i've been forced to stop using as due to rubbish ribbon power connecters that meant I had to have the radio unit turned on to use it. I prefer the sound of my stereo through an equaliser so much, it makes such a difference, yet they seem to have stopped making them. -- Gibbo Gibbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
just press play :) -- egd http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html? >> http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/shopbycable/1800F.htm >> http://www.atc.gb.net/homeamplifier/sca2.html >> http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/shopbycable/1800F.htm >> http://www.atc.gb.net/domestic/scm100slat.html egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
I know a lot of higher end amps have no tone controls but I find myself partial to them. I like to crank the treble and bass up on my Rotel RA02 integrated amp. This means I'm a little reluctant to upgrade to a more expensive amp because I fear the lack of tone controls will somehow let me down. On my previous setup I used both the EQ in iTunes and those on my Amp to get the sound I want. How do you live with no EQ? -- markwm markwm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12366 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe BTW, is that a "pig" record clamp I see on the turntable? I haven't seen one of those in years! -- Videodrome Two-channel System: SB3, into Musiland MD-10 DAC; Outlaw 970 Pre/Pro; McCormack DNA-125 amplifier; Quad 11L speakers; Sota Sapphire ttbl. w/ Grado Ref. Platinum Cart. into Rolls Bellari VP-129 tube phono stage; Marantz 10b; Nakamichi RX505; Cables Used: DH Labs, Van den Hul, Distech, Monster, many more. Videodrome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11727 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
delete it ...why, that smacks of censorship is it going somewhere you don't want it too? -- zanash zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
KalleAnka;215168 Wrote: > > Just wondering a little. If the test result is going to show that there > is some small changes in SB3 sound > are you going to accept this or are you going to complain about that > the test result was "fixed". ;) > Every one know that test results can be fixed so... > Well, it might have to do with that fact that a simple, extremely easy to conduct test was suggested to your friends multiple times. The results of that test (which probably would be conclusive) could have been posted on the forum, and would have been rather difficult to "fix" (not that anyone would have suspected that anyway). Instead of simply doing it, the suggestion was repeatedly ignored and the discussion dragged on for page after page. So again - if you still think there's a difference, use audiodiffmaker and post the results. Free, quick, and easy. If you don't, case closed. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
KalleAnka wrote: > Hmm, perhaps seanadams was on drugs when he made the SB3 and I really > don’t want that my money > shall go into a drug addicts pocket!!! AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE > BANK!! It was a joke. Do they not have jokes in Sweden? (I doubt it, the Sweds I know are very open and happy people). It was a putdown, true, but no one else read it literally. Please lighten up. And please lock this awful thread. Better, delete it. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Pioneer A400x Amplifier. Pd 207 Cd Player. Cts-710 Tape Deck. F204 Rds Tuner. Revolver Turntable. Speakers (not Shown) Kef K160. High Quality Rca Interconnects. Although This System Is Fairly Old It Still Sounds Very Good. +---+ |Filename: IMG_0302.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3058| +---+ -- Ashy72 Ashy72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Mods
seanadams wrote: > OK, I vote we send everybody out back to pick their own switch. Your folks did that too? I thought only mine were that mean. If the switch was too wimpy, you had to go back and get another non-wimpy one. Is this from all parents world-wide? or just those from the American mid-west? -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
I think the point is the attitude shown by Slim Devices and Logitech staff. Someone posts saying they reckon XYZ sounds better or worse, the people in power can respond in one of these ways: - Oh that's interesting. The areas that affect this have not been changed at all by the factor that you propose, and our measurements indicate that there is no change. Could you try this blind? Is anyone else finding anything like this? It does seem unlikely, so we'd appreciate a bit more data. - That can't happen. What is the point of coming out with comments like this that have no basis in my understanding of reality and have not been tested to destruction? Please go away you small person resembling genitalia. It is possible to be open and sceptical, like the first approach, rather than being dismissive like the second. It encourages others to try to test the phenomenon, adding to the dataset, whereas the second approach puts a lot of people off. Whatever people are hearing, they are unlikely to post here without thinking it might be real. Let's have some healthy scepticism and constructive comments - especially from the Slim staff. There is a lot of voodoo and snake oil in hi-fi, but there is also a lot that is unknown or poorly understood. Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Kalle Anka, Do you expect anyone registering as Donald Duck to taken seriously? Mvh, /Johan PS It's wine, not whine. -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
KalleAnka wrote: Kalle, I will ignore most of what you've written as it is, quite frankly, laughable and content such as yours is why this thread was deleted in the first place. However, I've said more than once, if you or omega or hammer65 can come up with a reproducible test case that demonstrates this claimed phenomenon then I'm 100% sure that Sean will investigate it and come up with an explanation and fix. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweak
tyler_durden;215124 Wrote: > Flow or an object moving through a fluid is not the same a waves moving > around an object. > > TD Only in that the wave produces motion of the air in both directions. -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) -> 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) -> 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) -> 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) -> 'B&W 803D' (http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20803D) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36854 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Wow, really dont know how to say it but.. yes i also live in Sweden, and yes I also work in the same company as omega and hammer65, but no I am not one of them. For the moment im just surprised about some comments that seanadams (Founder, Slim Devices Logitech Streaming Media Systems) and JimC (Logitech Director of Product Marketing) has written in this forum (drugs, bad ears, kids, whine and also that there is a different between a pause and a power off).. Wow didnt know that. Thanks a lot! LoL Serious, I have never been to a forum where the Founder or the Director of a product are so rude and insolent. Every time when I have hade some problem with products I bought from USA or another country the staff and technicians have always been so polite and helpful. Every time when I ask a question in a forum like this I have always got some professional help to solve the problem. Im sure that seanadam knows what he talks about (he is the founder of the SB3) but I guess hes not the only one Its like: I am a doctor (you have all the education I can get) but still.. sorry your kid died on the operation table because the teacher that educated me 10 years ago and the books I read during my education then said that there was no problem cutting the wrist You always have to be updated you know and now these guys (omega and hammer65) have discovered that there are some small sound change in SB3. If I was the founder of a product I have had been glad to get this information. No one is perfect you know Just wondering a little. If the test result is going to show that there is some small changes in SB3 sound are you going to accept this or are you going to complain about that the test result was "fixed". ;) Every one know that test results can be fixed so... Then also wondering why a Logitech Director of Product Marketing is "chatting" on a forum?!?! Hmm, nothing better to do or scared that other people will read this and say the same thing as I do? THAT: I AM NOT GOING TO BY A NEW PRODUCT WITH A TRACE OF LOGITEC. or like seanadams sad in this forum earlier: No, I am not interested in a bet with you. But if you don't mind, I would like a dime bag of whatever you're smoking... Hmm, perhaps seanadams was on drugs when he made the SB3 and I really dont want that my money shall go into a drug addicts pocket!!! AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!! Im also sure that a lot of friends to us neither will after reading the stuff from JimC and seanadams. Best Regards Kalle Anka -- KalleAnka --=[ SI VIC PACEM, PARA BELLUM ]=-- KalleAnka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MP3 bug/"scratc" finder tool, where to find?
Thanks for the quick reply :D Maybe "scratches" is the wrong word, because the good old LP scracthes is charming but those on my mp3 files are annoying because they have a "hard sound" and not the "smooth" sound like on the LPs... And I dont need to fix the scratches (I dont think you can - you need to reconvert the songs, I guess) - first I need to have a list of which files and how many it is - its for that I need a "search my mp3 files for soundbugs"-tool Hope for help JimC;215146 Wrote: > Here's a thread where several applications are mentioned: > > http://www.djforums.com/showthread.php?p=1167020 > > I haven't used any of these, but in case no one else has a suggestion, > it is at least a place to start. > > > -=> Jim -- frold Best regards, Frederik Frost Nielsen frold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12395 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36879 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MP3 bug/"scratc" finder tool, where to find?
Here's a thread where several applications are mentioned: http://www.djforums.com/showthread.php?p=1167020 I haven't used any of these, but in case no one else has a suggestion, it is at least a place to start. -=> Jim -- JimC JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36879 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MP3 bug/"scratc" finder tool, where to find?
I have a collection of MP3 files where many are converted from library CDs using my previous computer using the tool cdex. For some reasone alot of my files have some "scratches" what Im looking for is a tool that can run trough my 6000 files and check it for "scraches"... Is there any out there? -- frold Best regards, Frederik Frost Nielsen frold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12395 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36879 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
