Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which Interconnect Cable??
I have to say ...there is very little difference in sound between cheap and expensive digital ic ,as there is between good and poor ones [note the distiction]... I've posted a simple design on the diy section thats as good as 90% on the market ..at a fraction of the cost. the only things that can help further are digital pulse transformers and the elimination of signal bounce. There are no true 75ohm rca type plugs and sockets [regardless of the advertising]. If the impedance of the cable is a mismatch the resulting bounced signal creates "echoes" the reciever chip then has to try and retrieve the correct information from the mish mash that arrives. I've used the diy cable for about 10 years now with out finding anything thats significantly better [thats affordable] anyway thats my two pence worth ! -- zanash zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36667 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Outlaw Audio LFM-1 $300
Found this sub on ebay. Checked the review seems like a great deal. http://cgi.ebay.com/Outlaw-LFM-1-Subwoofer-New_W0QQitemZ290141198355QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3275QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- gg747 gg747's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36956 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
alZmtbr;215617 Wrote: > Hey! I resemble that remark! > > CHEERS! > ~a For your sake, I hope not! TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are measurements meaningful?
DCtoDaylight wrote: > I've always liked to think of myself as an objective subjectivist! Isn't that like army intellegence? or jumbo shrimp? > The real problem is deciding what the limits of > audibility are (and under what conditions). > On the other hand, if you can demonstrate an audible difference that > isn't explained by your measurements, maybe you're not measuring the > right thing! That is the real question, not are measurements meaningful in the abstract, but what measurements are meaningful and which are voodoo. This quote has been on my website's home page since I was in grad school working on a PhD in software measurement: "When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind. It may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced to the stage of science." Popular Lectures and Addresses, Lord (William Thompson) Kelvin. I believe a lot of the difference between "good stereo" and audiophile reflects meager and unsatisfactory knowledge. > Or perhaps, perfect isn't what you like. I've got an ancient single > ended triode Fender Champ amplifier with really poor measured > performance, but man it sounds sweet! At least with a Strat, not so > much with an SB3! Exactly. The ancient Fender Champ is legendary for great sound. It distorts like hell from 2 on up. But it sounds great. Clapton is said to have recorded the original Layla on one. For my Strat and ES335, a solid state amp sucks. I've got a new Fender tube amp. In the 70s, tube amps fell out of favor for hi-fi because the measured poorly and because transistor amps were more reliable. What was not talked about then, was that all tube amps are tone controls. Some more than others, but tube amps fail to meet the "wire with gain" ideal. So maybe it is not really so ideal. My unfinished dissertation showed that in software, we don't measure the right things, don't know how to evaluate the measurements we get, and don't do the right things to fix it. We are better in the audiophile world, but I don't think we are as good as we think. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are measurements meaningful?
Engineers use numbers to describe circuit behavior in an objective way. If you are the sort of person who doesn't believe in numbers, measurements are meaningless. If you are the sort of person who believes numbers without questioning their relevance and the methodology that was used to get them, they are meaningless. Measurements are only meaningful to someone who understands what they represent, which leaves out most people when you talk about audio and other electronic measurements. One thing is for sure "if there ain't no numbers, there ain't no engineering!" Think about that when you try to compare interconnect or speaker cables. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36952 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
tyler_durden;215613 Wrote: > > > You don't want to be an audiophile. They are the among the most > miserable people on earth, right down there with meth addicts and child > pornographers. > > TD I think you convinced me with that last statement... -- jhelmus SB3->Benchmark DAC1->Nait 5i->B&W 805S http://www.last.fm/user/jhelmus/ jhelmus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12307 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are measurements meaningful?
I've always liked to think of myself as an objective subjectivist! Measurements -can- tell you important things about how a component functions. They can also point out differences that you cannot possibly hear. The real problem is deciding what the limits of audibility are (and under what conditions). On the other hand, if you can demonstrate an audible difference that isn't explained by your measurements, maybe you're not measuring the right thing! Or perhaps, perfect isn't what you like. I've got an ancient single ended triode Fender Champ amplifier with really poor measured performance, but man it sounds sweet! At least with a Strat, not so much with an SB3! Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36952 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
I don't think it's too difficult to convert between PCM and DSD or Vice versa. If I'm not mistaken, all the so called "Single Bit" CD DAC's are performing a version of DSD. But as Pat has said, it seems a bit pointless given the low amount of SACD source material available. And the handful of SACD's I own all have a standard PCM CD layer, which is what I've ripped for playback through my Slim system Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
If you look at this page for Korg's MR-1000 DSD recorder, at the bottom they talk about the DSF file format which supports DSD. And, interestingly enough, they state that some Sony VAIO computers support the DSF format. With a recorder such as the MR-1000 (and it's not the only one), it seems like only a matter of time until SACD's stranglehold on DSD comes to an end. I don't see that it is completely unthinkable that DSF couldn't become a reasonable format for distributing high quality audio. That said, I also agree that existing PCM standards, such as 24/96 are probably plenty good for high quality audio distribution. http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?A_PROD_NO=MR1000 -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
For me the main reason for the functionality is to be able to move through a podcast or radio programme to get the part I want to listen to and using the current implementation on the SB makes it very hit or miss. Fortunately it is more possible to do so via the web UI implementation of AlienBBC although you unfortunately can't see how far through the programme you are. I agree though that the manual in no way correctly reflects the actual ff/rw functionality. That at least must be changed... -- dehavillandrfc SB3 -> Beresford DAC -> Netgear Wireless Router -> QNAP TS-101 LP12 / Genki -> Kollektor / LK140 -> ALR Jordan Entry M dehavillandrfc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are measurements meaningful?
ezkcdude;215731 Wrote: > I think I'm the one who first mentioned the audio diffmaker software > here: > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=183868&postcount=1 > > I never got around to actually using it. Has anyone actually used this > software? If so, can you hear anything? I read about it at audiocritic and in your thread here, and yes, I've tried it. After a particularly annoying discussion with the nutjobs over at audio asylum I compared WAV to FLAC recorded at the analogue outs of my SB3. The difference was a file which consisted of nearly white noise about 85 dB down from the signal (the noise was presumably due to noise in the D->A->D, in the cables, etc.). So the difference between WAV and FLAC in my system at the SB3 outs is AT MOST a white noise component 85 dB down. Given that, with the amp set at comfortable volumes for playing the original tracks, I could hear that noise only with my ear a few inches from the tweeter, WAV and FLAC ar identical. I also compared two files with real differences to be sure it was works - it does. It's also extremely easy to use. EDIT - Incidentally, I recorded this on my MacBook Pro laptop, a windows desktop with a Soundblaster Audigy card, and with a Tascam USB mic interface. The windows noise was about 5 or 6dB higher than the Mac, and wasn't exactly white (there were a few peaks). Score one for Apple. The Tascam interface was terrible - it introduced an annoying high-frequency noise component (which was audible not just in the difference file, but in both recordings). -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36952 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
Jeronimo, I will be in Iserlohn , Germany next week to teach at the Iserlohn International Classical Guitar Festival. If you are not far away you should check out the great concerts. July 29- August 5. www.guitarsymposium.com To bad Transporter is too big to easily cary with me :-) Tom -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
servies;215708 Wrote: > Yada yada... :) > Did I already mention your hearing is crappy? I agree, and am quite sure that you are right. However, my ears are what I listen to music with, so that is how I evaluate products related to listening to music. This seems reasonable to me. I often get to a point in an A/B listening session where everything sounds the same, at which time I grab a coffee and chill for a while. If there are differences I can normally hear them, often quickly but sometimes less so, and if, over a few sessions, I really can't tell the difference then I don't get fussed about it, buy the cheap or pretty one. Conversely, with difference testing there is all sorts of analysis you have to do to prove the audibility of differences, and all you do is prove the testing equipment rather than the music experience. If you find any difference, it gives you no indication of what is best, and if you don't find a difference, the equipment might not be as sensitive as your ears. Pointless. If you must be pedantic, it's the brain that sucks, not the ears. The ears are astonishingly good at picking up sound (although they are not linear). The brain is astonishingly good at doing whatever it thinks it probably should, so it doesn't need to think! And yes, this thread does deserve to be taken out of its zone... :) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
Hi, Thank you Harmonic for your explanation. Than my tiny little no idea about hifi world is secure again I presume. ;) I agree with you. You never got answer if the person actually tried the transporter as a digital transport only. I have two serious questions then: 1. What sort of amp is it, that you don't use transporter's analogue stage if you actually have nothing to critisize about it's sound? How much is such an amp? Or is it just setup determined? 2. How can such a difference occur in a digital only setup. Your amp is doing the dac work right? Shouldn't a digital signal be a digital signal? Or am I just a newb? Yes I am! But perhaps you could share some ideas? @ Phil : No I do only visit forums if I really want to learn something very straight foreward. Time is rare and forums are often very complex for speech outputs and braille displays. What did you mean with your comment about people hearing what they want to hear? @ Tommy : I live in Germany and subsequently can not really listen to the tp prior to buying one. So I try to get a glimpse of how the community thinks about it. Cheers Jeronimo -- jaysung jaysung's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are measurements meaningful?
I think I'm the one who first mentioned the audio diffmaker software here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=183868&postcount=1 I never got around to actually using it. Has anyone actually used this software? If so, can you hear anything? -- ezkcdude There are 10 kind of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. SHINYMETAL '*Site*' (http://www.ezdiyaudio.com)| '*RSS*' (http://www2.kumc.edu/students/ezamir/rss/ezdiyaudio.xml) |'*Forum*' (http://ezdiyaudio.informe.com) ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36952 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
This song predates the term "audiophile" by a few decades but otherwise has it pretty much right: http://www.lyricshornet.com/1034464/Donald-Swann-Song-of-Reproduction-Lyrics Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
NOW, this thread is getting interesting :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
jaysung, I seriously doubt you would hear an improvement by modding TP's anolouge outs if you are using balanced outs. I certainly heard no improvement in either blind or sighted listening. However you could always request a trial audition if you live in the US. Outside of the US might be problematic. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
Phil Leigh;215721 Wrote: > No I haven't. However, my TACT (which is digital only - no ADC/DAC) has > NO impact on the sound. My systems sounds IDENTICAL with or without the > TACT connected in bypass mode. Therefore, NO TACT mod can make it sound > better than not being there at all... Have you tried i disconnecting it completly ? -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are measurements meaningful?
Pat - you know I wasn't advocating a return to the bad old 70's! I was specifically talking about the audiodiffmaker test in the context of the other thread. As a Linn owner, I can hardly be a "measurement is the only way" guy can I? :0) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36952 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
harmonic;215719 Wrote: > Hi phil > > Have you tried anthonys mods on your tact ? No I haven't. However, my TACT (which is digital only - no ADC/DAC) has NO impact on the sound. My systems sounds IDENTICAL with or without the TACT connected in bypass mode. Therefore, NO TACT mod can make it sound better than not being there at all... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
jaysung;215698 Wrote: > Hi Guys or are there women out tere? :) > "Are there any good mods for transporter out there?" Was the simple > question that raised one of the dirtiest battles in a forum I have ever > read. Main contrahents have been Aberdeencomponents and Seanadams both > concerned with making hopefully good audio devices. > The conflict got elicited by Harmonic who claimed to have a transporter > which was moded by Aberdeencomponents and consequently sounded far > better than the stock version. I really found the whole that as > unpleasant as interesting to read and I don't fency to open up the > whole discussion. I just want to understand: > A) in which setup Harmonic (who claimed that if connected to a power > amp via analogue output which he obviously didn't use to do) the > transporter sounded really good. I got you right Harmonic? What exactly > did you / he use the transporter for so that the sound had a > "glassyness" in the high end of the frequence spectrum? Sorry, perhaps > it was in the thread and my English is just not good enough to grasp > it. > B) Regardless if or if not one has the right to mod a complex product > with or with out measurements of any sort... What exactly was the > Aberdeencomponents mod about technically. I mean for a non-electrician! > Which function are effected? > C) If I have a Marantz PM-11 amp with analogue xlr would the mod effect > the sound of my hifi installation? And if so why? Yes, I know and don't > want to hear again that there is a voulnerable electromagnetic > environement which could be disturbed by premature mods. I want for the > moment assume that Aberdeencomponents despite his horrible manners > (sorry, but I have to say it) knows what he is doing and that even > after long months of developement a product developed with deligent > enthusasm and skill still can possibly be improoved. Once again I just > want to understand! > Thanks in advance > Jeronimo To answer if it sounds very good straigt into power amsp the answer is YEES. Here in diddent have eny glassyness or glare at all i was really amazed by the sound no matter what i connected it to including icepower amp,nuforce re 9 se v2 amps. My main amp is a tact millennium mk3 this is basicly a dac with power. What you do is simply connect a trasnport straigt to it and you have music no cd player or dac is needed. it was in this system i compared the 2 TP`s as dedicated transportes feeding the millennium. Now i cant answer you the questian if the mod will do eny good in your system because mine wassnt moded in the analog part and there for cant comment on that . But my gut feeling is it will. thanks -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
jaysung;215698 Wrote: > Hi Guys or are there women out tere? :) > "Are there any good mods for transporter out there?" Was the simple > question that raised one of the dirtiest battles in a forum I have ever > read. Jeronimo Clearly you don't frequent many forums :o) I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that people will hear what they want to hear regardless of the facts. If that makes them happy then who am I to criticize? However, it does NOT mean I have to agree with them... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Are measurements meaningful?
in another thread, Phil Leigh wrote: > Yes yes and double yes. Ears+brain=completly unreliable > (ie subjective) judge of anything. Comparing > numbers=totally reliable. Which is why the high fidelity business died in the early 80s. All of the Japanese mass market receivers measured perfect. There was no difference. Folks my age, who had stereos in their dorm rooms got off the constant upgrade train. Of course, I suspect that Phil has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek. But the measurement only approach is really what killed or at least strongly contributed to the death of Hi-Fi. The problem is that some amps do sound different. Measurements are part of the solution. I much prefer Stereophile's approach, measure and listen subjectively, over The Absolute Sound's subjective only approach. More directly to the old thread's "audiodiffmaker" measurement approach is that while it is wonderful at identical music, which by definition has to sound identical, it does nothing to explain why something is good or bad if they are different. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
servies;215708 Wrote: > Geeez I'm going to tell you something that must be very unpleasant > to a 'true' audiophile: Your ears are crap and with crap I mean really > crap. I mean as crap as crap can be and if your ears aren't that crappy > than it's the grey matter between them that's colouring every sound with > it's expectations and experience from the past! And that makes your > hearing even more crappy... > So face it: your hearing is crap! > > > It's extremely relevant in this case: If there is no difference, then > there is NO difference! > The problem with a lot of 'true' audiophiles is that they just need a > justification for the large amounts of money they spend on their > equipment and that justification is their supposed superb hearing while > in reality probably 99.% of the 'true' audiophiles have as > crappy hearing as everyone else... maybe even worse... > > Did I already mention your hearing is crappy? Yes yes and double yes. Ears+brain=completly unreliable (ie subjective) judge of anything. Comparing numbers=totally reliable. The only magical thing about our ears is that they can't reliably do anything. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
jaysung;215698 Wrote: > Hi Guys or are there women out tere? :) > "Are there any good mods for transporter out there?" Was the simple > question that raised one of the dirtiest battles in a forum I have ever > read. Main contrahents have been Aberdeencomponents and Seanadams both > concerned with making hopefully good audio devices. > The conflict got elicited by Harmonic who claimed to have a transporter > which was moded by Aberdeencomponents and consequently sounded far > better than the stock version. I really found the whole that as > unpleasant as interesting to read and I don't fency to open up the > whole discussion. I just want to understand: > A) in which setup Harmonic (who claimed that if connected to a power > amp via analogue output which he obviously didn't use to do) the > transporter sounded really good. I got you right Harmonic? What exactly > did you / he use the transporter for so that the sound had a > "glassyness" in the high end of the frequence spectrum? Sorry, perhaps > it was in the thread and my English is just not good enough to grasp > it. > B) Regardless if or if not one has the right to mod a complex product > with or with out measurements of any sort... What exactly was the > Aberdeencomponents mod about technically. I mean for a non-electrician! > Which function are effected? > C) If I have a Marantz PM-11 amp with analogue xlr would the mod effect > the sound of my hifi installation? And if so why? Yes, I know and don't > want to hear again that there is a voulnerable electromagnetic > environement which could be disturbed by premature mods. I want for the > moment assume that Aberdeencomponents despite his horrible manners > (sorry, but I have to say it) knows what he is doing and that even > after long months of developement a product developed with deligent > enthusasm and skill still can possibly be improoved. Once again I just > want to understand! > Thanks in advance > Jeronimo Somthing that dossent seem to sink in was that i use the transporter as transport only. Meaning i connect the transporter to a dac via the digital output on the transporter bypassing the analog section in the TP. The transporter i have was moddified only in the digital part not the analog Meaning that if used as people normaly would meaning connecting it straigh to power amps or there preamp it would not be superior to the stock one. The guy that keep saying that he heard no diffenrece compared it in setup where he used it as a normal player meanning it uses that dac and analog part inside. The person was so obssest in beleiving that the aberdeen transporter is a froud that he never answered if he had tried using it as a transport only. this is starting to anoye me but as transport only in was hands down much better then the stock one the difference was massiv there where absolutly nothing to be uncerten about eny one that where here said the same thing. I have had many bad experinces with expensiv cables vs cheap one so much that i must admit that i think the whole cable industri is one big froud. If there had been even the slightes possibility that i had been wrong with the improvment in the transporters i would never had spend this much time defending it. Remember very important i use it as transport only and there for cant comment on the other skeptic users findings wich where using the analog side also. When that is said I just thing its a sad shame that people dont just trie it for them self in my system the digital mod was godsend when it removed all that i diddent like about it stock one and im amazed that i listen to unglarissh sound in a all digital system every time i listend. No cable power conditioners or other tweaks can give you that. thanks -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
adamslim;215696 Wrote: > I hate agreeing with Opaqueice. Ok then I won't :) > > Sorry but I have not seen anything that proves that audiodiffmaker (or > any similar measurement-differencer system) is better than the human > ear. Geeez I'm going to tell you something that must be very unpleasant to a 'true' audiophile: Your ears are crap and with crap I mean really crap. I mean as crap as crap can be and if your ears aren't that crappy than it's the grey matter between them that's colouring every sound with it's expectations and experience from the past! And that makes your hearing even more crappy... So face it: your hearing is crap! adamslim;215696 Wrote: > Plus I do not accept that a system that is designed to find such > differences has any relevance to listening to music. It's extremely relevant in this case: If there is no difference, then there is NO difference! The problem with a lot of 'true' audiophiles is that they just need a justification for the large amounts of money they spend on their equipment and that justification is their supposed superb hearing while in reality probably 99.% of the 'true' audiophiles have as crappy hearing as everyone else... maybe even worse... Did I already mention your hearing is crappy? -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
omega;215605 Wrote: > > > And if i remove my Elac CL 4Pi Plus (A universally applicable > omnidirectional tweeter) "Then my problems will ge gone". > > Maybe there's something wrong with those tweeters? Perhaps the ribbon freezes up (or some other hi-jinx related to the cross-over levels and/or sensitivity) when you do the 'pause' thing? Since they're operating up to 50 kHz, they might be very sensitive to 'base-line' conditions (butterfly in Tokyo effect). -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
adamslim;215696 Wrote: > I hate agreeing with Opaqueice. Ok then I won't :) Good. Agreement is boring :-). > > Sorry but I have not seen anything that proves that audiodiffmaker (or > any similar measurement-differencer system) is better than the human > ear. Hmm, good point. I wonder - do you also find it easier to discern differences with the volume on your amp turned all the way down? Or maybe you listen to your CDs by holding them very close to your ears? After all, the ear is a magical device that's far more accurate than any electronic gear, right? So why not remove the CD player and amp and speakers - they just get in the way. Look - audiodiffmaker is like turning up the volume on the differences and turning down everything else. Once it does that for you, you can USE YOUR EARS to listen to the difference file - and guess what, the differences are easier to hear, just like it's easier to hear louder sounds than softer (at least for normal human beings with non-magical ears), or to hear a quiet sound when there's no loud one to obscure it. And if you want proof it reveals differences that the ear can't hear, that's very easy. Just take two identical files and run one through a filter that distorts phase. Totally inaudible (except in extreme cases), but the difference file will reveal it easily. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
It's been 22 pages of a thread. Omega is not going to provide here any useful info, except for bad google marketing for SlimDevices and a bit of a rude reputation to some SlimDevices personel. If Omega had something solid in hand, he would already publish it. SlimDevices, or anyone else on the forum with the equipment needed to perform a test, can test it (with Omega flawed FLAC) and publish the results. I at least, would then have no doubt nothing is 'bugg'. Otherwise this will never end. -- ganjastone ganjastone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3122 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
I think my signature sums it up nicely. Cheers! ;-) -- Kurt Main Entry: au·dio·phile Pronunciation: 'o-dE-O-"fI(-&)l Function: noun : a person who takes the pursuit of high-fidelity sound reproduction so seriously that they don't have to listen to music anymore. Kurt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2153 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
Skunk wrote: > Re: Transporter's DAC, perhaps one way to get DSD into it would be the > addition of an HDMI input, fed by a universal player. Food for thought > anyway :-) It might, but why bother? Not why think, civil discussions about audiophile stuff is fun. But I don't see any point in DSD. DSD has no proven sonic improvement over high-wide PCM. Sony claims good stuff, and the well done DSD I've heard sounds great. But DVD-A also sounds great. And well engineered RedBook can sound great -- even if it rarely does. SACD has serious problems with noise shaping pushing digital noise into the 50mHz to 80Mhz band. Now granted it is above human hearing, but if the ultra sonic bandwidth of DSD is important, why are they pushing the noise so low? It has a huge potential for intermodulation distortion, which can be in the audible bands. I don't see the point of using a plastic disk player connect to a Transporter. The whole idea is to never touch the silly disks again. Use a compute to manage and organize. I have also not heard any difference between DSD output to my M-Audio Delta 1010, captured as 96/24 stereo, and simply feed to my Transporter. Not double blind, but I don't see much science between Sony's claims that DSD is superior to MLP high-wide PCM. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The reason for the dirty fight???!
Hi Guys or are there women out tere? :) "Are there any good mods for transporter out there?" Was the simple question that raised one of the dirtiest battles in a forum I have ever read. Main contrahents have been Aberdeencomponents and Seanadams both concerned with making hopefully good audio devices. The conflict got elicited by Harmonic who claimed to have a transporter which was moded by Aberdeencomponents and consequently sounded far better than the stock version. I really found the whole that as unpleasant as interesting to read and I don't fency to open up the whole discussion. I just want to understand: A) in which setup Harmonic (who claimed that if connected to a power amp via analogue output which he obviously didn't use to do) the transporter sounded really good. I got you right Harmonic? What exactly did you / he use the transporter for so that the sound had a "glassyness" in the high end of the frequence spectrum? Sorry, perhaps it was in the thread and my English is just not good enough to grasp it. B) Regardless if or if not one has the right to mod a complex product with or with out measurements of any sort... What exactly was the Aberdeencomponents mod about technically. I mean for a non-electrician! Which function are effected? C) If I have a Marantz PM-11 amp with analogue xlr would the mod effect the sound of my hifi installation? And if so why? Yes, I know and don't want to hear again that there is a voulnerable electromagnetic environement which could be disturbed by premature mods. I want for the moment assume that Aberdeencomponents despite his horrible manners (sorry, but I have to say it) knows what he is doing and that even after long months of developement a product developed with deligent enthusasm and skill still can possibly be improoved. Once again I just want to understand! Thanks in advance Jeronimo -- jaysung jaysung's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Phil Leigh;215686 Wrote: > Well said. > ...and before anyone else chimes in, I'm with Mr. Opaqueice on this > one. If audiodiffmaker shows no real difference then there is no real > difference. Period. I hate agreeing with Opaqueice. Ok then I won't :) Sorry but I have not seen anything that proves that audiodiffmaker (or any similar measurement-differencer system) is better than the human ear. Plus I do not accept that a system that is designed to find such differences has any relevance to listening to music. That notwithstanding, I do think that Omega needs to refine his point somewhat. I don't feel that it has been well explained, and it has been presented aggressively. Sorry to disagree with everyone. I guess that is a reasonable definition of trolling, but this is a thread for which the mere act of posting can only be considered an act of a troll. Ho hum. -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
I've been following this thread. Some ideas. Omega, could you try using the web interface to start/pause/stop your SB3 instead of the remote? Purhaps there is an IR code anomaly with your other equipment. In the same vein, if you have any fluorescent lights in your listening room, turn them off. Thats all I got. -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
seanadams;215635 Wrote: > No, HDCD and DVD-A are both PCM. DSD, however, is a completely different > way to represent amplitudes. Instead of saying "make a step this high", > DSD says "turn the output on now, now, now, now, not now, not now, now > now, etc." Thanks for the explanation, and nice job of it BTW. Re: Transporter's DAC, perhaps one way to get DSD into it would be the addition of an HDMI input, fed by a universal player. Food for thought anyway :-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
I've been on both sides of the audio hobby: As a junkie; and as a dealer who sold stuff to other junkies to support their habit. What an interesting mix of people I met along the way! In the interest of trying to write a somewhat concise summary of what I think being an audiophile SHOULD be about, I submit the following lists for your consideration: (1) When things are going right: You have an operating system. You're reasonably happy with how it sounds. You enjoy listening to music, and you keep looking for new music. You have a rich, meaningful life, complete with friends, spouse/S.O., family, etc. You have other hobbies. You don't spend all your disposable income on audio gear. You know people will never understand why, unlike them, you're not content with an boombox or an iPod, and you really don't care. (2) When things are going awry: "Your system's down," because: You're never happy with it; and so You're constantly buying / auditioning new gear to "get the sound right." You don't listen to much other than a handful of tracks on proven demo CDs because you're perpetually evaluating gear. You're a loner who spends most of your time hanging out in audio stores, listening to gear (usually making snide remarks about how unlike music it sounds) and/or at home, sitting in "the sweet spot" listening to music by yourself -- in a dimly lit room. You don't have any other hobbies (for the aforementioned reasons) All you extra dough goes to gear. Matter of fact, your '71 VW Bug really needs a new radiator, but you blew $400 bucks on silver interconnects. You can't believe (insert name of: friend, boss, family member )is listening to that crap system, so you try to convert them. - VD -- Videodrome Two-channel System: SB3, into Musiland MD-10 DAC; Outlaw 970 Pre/Pro; McCormack DNA-125 amplifier; Quad 11L speakers; Sota Sapphire ttbl. w/ Grado Ref. Platinum Cart. into Rolls Bellari VP-129 tube phono stage; Marantz 10b; Nakamichi RX505; Cables Used: DH Labs, Van den Hul, Distech, Monster, many more. Videodrome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11727 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
EFP;215676 Wrote: > Bugs require reproducible cases. > I think this thread lies exactly where it belongs. Well said. ...and before anyone else chimes in, I'm with Mr. Opaqueice on this one. If audiodiffmaker shows no real difference then there is no real difference. Period. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
tyler_durden;215661 Wrote: > This thread alone should convince you that aspiring to be an audiophile > is the social equivalent of aspiring to be a pederast: > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 > > TD This post seems to me to be a kind of chain letter. Suggesting someone does something with a piece of kit can be the worst sort of loony stuff. It's like "if you don't join my gang then you can't play with my foot/soccer ball." sad people. manipulative. etc etc. why the moderators don't pull this kind of thing is beyond me. PS not you tyler, I mean the post to which you refer. -- mudlark SB3>CyrusDACX>PreXvs>260A>KEFiQ7 cable Avondale server Kubuntu Feisty Fawn, linkstation for storage. DIY SB3 3A linear power supply. mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
TiredLegs;215673 Wrote: > It's actually the other way around, i.e., the manual should reflect the > way the product operates. So if the manual is wrong, it needs > correction. > > Regarding the FF/REW feature in question, I have owned CD players since > 1984, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever used > FF/REW. While I agree that a feature to skip ahead or back ~X seconds > at a chunk would be useful to some users some of the time, it would be > about number 47 on my list of top 10 things Slim Devices engineers > should be working on. > > P.S. Thanks Sean for a great explanation of the technical issues > involved. Seconded. If musicians need to practise there are specialised machines for that purpose (eg TASCAM Phrase Trainer) that are much more appropriate and can do pitch shift, speed shift etc too. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] s/pdf SB better than s/pdf soundcard pc?
In addition to my SB3, I also have in the same room a computer with an S/PDIF output on the motherboard. Using an outboard DAC/headphone amp (Grace m902) and high end headphones (Grado GS-1000), I queued up the same playlist on both the SB3 and the PC (WinAmp) and switched the DAC back and forth at random intervals over the course of an hour. I could not hear any difference whatsoever. I mean, the sound was absolutely identical as far as I could hear. Yeah, yeah, I know it wasn't double blind, yada yada yada, but it satisfied me as a test. On the other hand, before I bought both the SB3 and the PC with the built-in S/PDIF (an ASUS motherboard), I tried to use the digital output from an M-Audio 2496 sound card, but the card would occasionally hiccup, resulting in annoying digital drop outs. The search for a better way led me to purchase the SB3. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36784 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
ganjastone;215665 Wrote: > > PS - To SlimDevices forum manager, can't you move this thread from > "Audiophiles" forum to "bugg" forum? Bugs require reproducible cases. I think this thread lies exactly where it belongs. -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
amey01;213645 Wrote: > I'm not "insisting" that FF/REW (or anything else) can be done - BUT I > am insisting that the Squeezebox will do what the manual says it will > do. It's actually the other way around, i.e., the manual should reflect the way the product operates. So if the manual is wrong, it needs correction. Regarding the FF/REW feature in question, I have owned CD players since 1984, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever used FF/REW. While I agree that a feature to skip ahead or back ~X seconds at a chunk would be useful to some users some of the time, it would be about number 47 on my list of top 10 things Slim Devices engineers should be working on. P.S. Thanks Sean for a great explanation of the technical issues involved. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
Timothy Stockman;215639 Wrote: > > It would be interesting to be able to extract the audio from a SACD in > some hi-res form that the Transporter could understand. If somehow one > could get the raw DSD data onto the hard drive, how would one use it? > But converting to 24/96 would likely retain most of the sonic benefits > of DSD and could be decoded by a variety of existing devices, including > the Transporter. Actually, in all likelihood (and I hate saying this because people tend to interpret "could be" as "will be") Transporter could be made to play DSD natively. It has a DSD-capable DAC, and there is programmable logic interfacing the CPU to the DAC, and it can produce the right clock frequency. But there is really no point because there is no DSD material out there, except on SACDs, for which no feasible/legal ripping mechanism currently exists. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Dear Omega & co I posted my dissatifaction with the way seanadams and JimC are responding you on this thread. I still stand behind that, paying customers (even annoying one) deserve better attitude. But I must tell mr. Omega and co., you are truely annoying. with the time you spent doing silly audio tests and the time you spent bloating this thread, if you are so sure there is a "bugg" you could have performed just one of the tests seanadams instructed you to do, and bring your "proof" here instead of wasting so many people's time with your wierd experiences with SB. Please, post something when you do a serious test, otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time, and make a used to be good Audiophile forum a big pile of junk with now over 21 pages. PS - To SlimDevices forum manager, can't you move this thread from "Audiophiles" forum to "bugg" forum? -- ganjastone ganjastone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3122 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
These days audiophiles prefer to buy expensive cables to modify the tone- the cable marketing companies (yes, marketing, not engineering) count this as their greatest success. People can be such dopes! If you like tone controls then use them. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
This thread alone should convince you that aspiring to be an audiophile is the social equivalent of aspiring to be a pederast: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
This test takes two analogue audio signals and subtracts them. The resulting file is an upper bound on any difference - in other words any real difference between the two files will be smaller than the result. You can then listen to the differences without anything masking them. You can turn up the volume, look at the waveform, etc. It's an EXTREMELY sensitive test - much more so than human hearing in an A/B comparison. For example phase differences will show up very clearly in the difference file even when they were totally inaudible in the original sound. If a negative result on this test doesn't convince you, nothing will and there's no point in doing ANY test. It's also far easier to do than a proper blind test. It's off topic, but you claim to have done blind tests for CDs versus CDRs - can you describe the test setup and results in detail? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
Timothy Stockman wrote: > SACD players with DSD->PCM architecture are definitely out there. In > the audiophile community, there are many that share your thoughts > regarding whether this defeats the purpose of DSD. And the purpose of DSD was to maximize money that Sony gets, while cutting Philips, Toshiba, etc. out of the massive recurring money stream. DSD requres totally new hardware for mixing, essentially obsolting overnight zillions of dollars of ProTools gear. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
> This means I'm a little reluctant to upgrade to a more expensive amp > because I fear the lack of tone controls will somehow let me down. Then don't upgrade! You can still use eq in iTunes if you feel the need, or go the extra step and use the Inguz Digital Room Correction software. And then there are hardware options as already pointed out above. I would keep the tone controls out of the amp/preamp mix. stevo -- stevo stevo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6250 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
opaqueice;215614 Wrote: > For the tenth time, it's really really easy! I'm almost positive your > soundcard has a line-in, and if it doesn't, borrow any laptop from some > time in the last decade and use that. Then all you need is a cable that > takes 2 RCA plugs into a coaxial, like this: > > http://www.connexions-oem.com/mini-rca.gif > > Then use the cable to plug your DAC into the line-in of the computer, > record a song (for example using Audacity, which is free and > downloadable), restart the SB, make a new recording, and use > audiodiffmaker to compare. I think tests like that will not result in showing a difference. But i dont think that should say that the difference is not there and therefor must be in the mind. Because the difference between that cd and cdr looks like so much simulair to this effect. And, as far as i know, there is also not a technical explanation in difference between cd and cdr. Technicians also say (and honnestly believe) that there IS no difference and all the diffrence should be in the persons head... But with cd an cdr i can prove the difference in blind testing, over and over again... But the technicians still believe it is in my head... But, escuse me for bringing this cd versus cdr back in this topic... It's (probably) not connected to this problem... but as i say again, those test will probably not result in differences, but... still it can be there. We must know more about audio in technical way aand/or in human-body way... -- Ejorne Ejorne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12330 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
seanadams;215635 Wrote: > Speaking DSD to the DAC is the whole point of it. Now, that alone does > not rule out the possibility that there is some player out there which > converts DSD to PCM for some reason, but it seems largely to defeat the > purpose of using DSD in the first place (which is already questionable). SACD players with DSD->PCM architecture are definitely out there. In the audiophile community, there are many that share your thoughts regarding whether this defeats the purpose of DSD. However, as I remember, there is a European company that makes an S/PDIF transmitter board which taps into a SACD player that already does DSD->PCM conversion. What these guys are saying about this new board is that it has a custom DSD->PCM converter on-board that is better than any of the standard DSD->PCM chips. THAT is why they feel it is worth the high price they are asking. It would be interesting to be able to extract the audio from a SACD in some hi-res form that the Transporter could understand. If somehow one could get the raw DSD data onto the hard drive, how would one use it? But converting to 24/96 would likely retain most of the sonic benefits of DSD and could be decoded by a variety of existing devices, including the Transporter. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which Interconnect Cable??
You might want to read up a little on S/PDIF. What you're saying about error correction is valid for asynchronous digital transmission standards such as TCP/IP. However S/PDIF is synchronous - that is it's sent at a steady rate in real time - and there is no error correction. Not only that, the fluctuations in the rate at which the bits arrive can affect the analogue out, because most DACs reconstruct their clock from the signal itself (so as to avoid under/overflow issues). Jitter in the arrival time of the bits can affect that clock even if there are no bit errors, and that jitter will distort the sound by an amount which can range from totally inaudible to subtle to awful. On the other hand DACs are a mature technology, and modern and well-desinged ones are extremely good at jitter rejection, so this is probably irrelevant. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36667 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
Skunk;215629 Wrote: > They may be the exception, but some players do seem to have a high > resolution DSD>I2S stream coming from logic that probably decodes DVD-A > and HDCD as well. [...] Wouldn't DVD-A be another fundamentally > different stream, which has to be turned into something a DAC can > understand? No, HDCD and DVD-A are both PCM. DSD, however, is a completely different way to represent amplitudes. Instead of saying "make a step this high", DSD says "turn the output on now, now, now, now, not now, not now, now now, etc." Speaking DSD to the DAC is the whole point of it. Now, that alone does not rule out the possibility that there is some player out there which converts DSD to PCM for some reason, but it seems largely to defeat the purpose of using DSD in the first place (which is already questionable). Wikipedia has some good info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCD -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
seanadams;215551 Wrote: > SACD players use DAC chips that accept both PCM and DSD inputs. They may be the exception, but some players do seem to have a high resolution DSD>I2S stream coming from logic that probably decodes DVD-A and HDCD as well. > > Doesn't make sense to me. DSD and PCM are fundamentally different > encodings. You can't grab a DSD signal and send it over s/pdif without > mathematically converting the signal. I'm not sure exactly how that's > done, but it's more than just twiddling some bits. Wouldn't DVD-A be another fundamentally different stream, which has to be turned into something a DAC can understand? I would guess that it's so manufacturers of SACD players can buy the software to decode the DSD>PCM, just like they can for HDCD, and therefore wouldn't even need to buy any SACD chips/hardware. > > Agreed, that is no doubt the situation under DMCA. I don't think you > could convince a judge that you haven't circumvented the copy > protection on the grounds that you applied a different form of copy > protection (SCMS) to the converted signal. But lets say your player DOES do the conversion (as opposed to the referenced company who is obviously feeling guilty!), and you're only tapping an i2s stream. Since you don't have a DSD file on your HD, and never hacked the DSD encryption, it doesn't seem too far removed from the analog loophole to me. This came up at hydrogenaudio as well: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=40627 -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which Interconnect Cable??
Phil Leigh;215495 Wrote: > Actually that's not quite true - it is an analogue representation of a > digital signal and so there is some work to do at the receiving end to > recover a true digital signal. Well, so much for keeping simple for the poor guy. Yes, if one wants to delve that deeply into the subject, every form of electronic transmission uses modifications to the wave of the signal passing through the transmission media/cable. However, what we are referring to is how those fluctuation's represent the data. You sound very well educated so I will just try to further explain what I meant to the poster in case it incurred confusion. I'll try to avoid explanations of voltage vs. current, vs. frequency, etc. Analogue (as used in home sound equipment) When sound signal is sent from a player device, like a CD player, in an analogue format, every sound frequency is represented by a matching fluctuation in the electronic signal passing through the cable. This is the same type of signal that your speakers need to receive in the end because speakers convert these exact fluctuations back into the corresponding sounds. Because these each fluctuation exactly represents a sound level/frequency, minor discrepancies in these fluctuations make a difference. This makes an analogue transmission much more susceptible to any outside interference or physical issues with the cable itself.. Digital Signals (as used in home sound equipment) When audio is recorded digitally, the process takes the analogue signals from the microphones and converts each 'sound' (so to speak) into a number. The media stores these numerical representations of the sounds. Exact duplicates of this recording can easily be reproduced because you just have to duplicate the numbers. When you play a CD and send out analogue signals, the numerical data on the disk passes through a "DAC" or 'Digital to Analogue converter'. The transmission is then sent as described above. However, if it is sent to the receiver in digital format, it doesn't go through the DAC and the exact numerical data is sent to the receiver. It is then up to the receiver's DAC to convert it to analogue before it hits the speakers. Again, fluctuations in the electronic signal passing through the cable are used to represent the numbers but.. -- There is some headroom in the levels of fluctuation before a number actually gets misrepresented. This makes it less sensitive to outside interference to some degree. -- The biggest reason why the sound quality is safer is that when sending numbers digitally, something called error correction can be used. To over simplify, If the far end doesn't get 'mathematically, what it expects to get, the data simply gets resent. For tiny discrepancies or loss, this happens fast enough that there is no discernible sound loss or change. Thus my statement that unless something in the system is so bad that the sound data just doesn't get there, the quality should be exactly the same for fiber or Coax. Can Digital still go wrong? Yes, but normally in a much different way. --With Analogue, some physical properties of the cable (it's too thin for the particular usage) and outside interferences can change the nature of the sound you here. This can cause you to hear changes in sound quality, tone, static, hum, almost anything actually. --With digital, normal circumstances result in an exact numerical copy of the CD reaching the receiver. However, a loose cable, a damaged cable or even a cable bent too sharply can cause data loss. This usually causes jitter, chirps, or complete sound loss as opposed to changed sound tone or quality. Can the two sound very different even if both are working perfectly. Yes, the thing to remember is that most modern receivers can run all sorts of sound modifying modes on digital data. Because it's numbers and can be manipulated mathematically, you can do a lot more to the sound than just adjust the bass and treble like on older receivers. This is why you will see many 'sound modes' listed on most receivers, ie. stadium, club, rock, disco, etc. Even if you feed the receivers with a plain old analogue signal, the receiver can and might be converting that analogue signal to digital so it can apply these 'modes' before reconverting it to analogue again to hit the speakers. One has to be conscious of all these things to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. So which is better, digital or analog? It can be a matter of personal choice but generally if you are playing a CD or DVD or other digital media, a conversion from digital to analogue has to happen somewhere before it hits the speakers. -- Some would say that most DACs are created equal so best to have the conversion done as close in the system to the speakers as possible (normally meaning go digital from the player to the the receiver) to avoid higher chances of signal modification or degredation. -- Another camp might say, use the
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
Hey! I resemble that remark! CHEERS! ~a -- alZmtbr alZmtbr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] budget system help
If you're pitching it around Cambridge Audio/NAD level, you might also consider Rotel amps. 250 quid will get you a new RA 04 (which both gets good reviews and has three very cool-looking blue lights on it). Monitor Audio BR speakers also get rave reviews and can be yours for 200 notes. This is the system I went to buy from my dealer, but was seduced into upgrading the speakers to end of line Quad 11Ls and, more recently, a KEF HTB2 sub. The learning point is that many dealers offer heavy discounts on end of line or ex demo stock: I got both purchases half price. Also, do invest in some decent leads, they really do make a difference. Simon -- ashmore ashmore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36696 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
Pale Blue Ego;215581 Wrote: > What's to learn? You already have a very nice system. Enjoy it. > > Or, you can spend ungodly amounts of time and money seeking > increasingly tiny improvements, driving yourself broke and bonkers in > the process, and not really enjoying the music as much because you're > constantly twiddling with the system or dreaming about the next tiny > improvement and how to pay for it. Don't forget about boring the s**t out of others who really don't care a bit about your efforts to achieve audio nirvana. Last but not least, don't forget about posting completely idiotic statements about your extraordinary hearing acuity and the tremendous improvements in sound you get by whatever impossibly stupid audiophile tweak you applied this week. Last, last but not least, make sure you bone up on quantum mechanics. Not enough to really understand it, just enough to pepper your forum posts with a few buzz-words that will rally fellow audiophiles to your cause and reveal your true lack of intelligence to everyone else. Anyone ever notice how many audiophiles are deeply effected by quantum mechanics yet so few are susceptible to psychological effects such as suggestion and physiological effects such as reduced high frequency hearing ability that comes with age? They truly are a super-human breed! TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
omega;215605 Wrote: > > Anyone reading this thread and having the "know-how" and proper tools, > and the time, please help us. For the tenth time, it's really really easy! I'm almost positive your soundcard has a line-in, and if it doesn't, borrow any laptop from some time in the last decade and use that. Then all you need is a cable that takes 2 RCA plugs into a coaxial, like this: http://www.connexions-oem.com/mini-rca.gif Then use the cable to plug your DAC into the line-in of the computer, record a song (for example using Audacity, which is free and downloadable), restart the SB, make a new recording, and use audiodiffmaker to compare. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter together with Nuforce amp?
larss;215602 Wrote: > I have just ordered a Transporter to be used with my Labtop and would > like to use the Transporter balanced XLR directly to the Nuforce 9SE > Reference. > > How to contro the volume without using any preamp.? > > How does the Vpp output from the Transporter correspond to the > requirement from Nuforce, any problem here? > > Regards > larss Hi lars Its very simple just connect the interconnects between the outputs of the transporter to the inputs on the nuforce amps but VERY IMPORTANT make sure the ouput is NOT set to fixed in the slim software otherwise you will be deaf or dead when you press play. The transporter just regulates its outputs with the volume control just like a preamp will do . You are in for a mighty treat. regards -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36916 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
-JimC Quote: "You've _modified_ a Squeezebox such that you claim to hear a difference, and then call it a "design miss" but go on to state that an unmodified SB3 would probably not exhibit the problem." The only Modifications that i have to my Squeezebox is: 1. A Custom Linear powersupply. (Hammer is still running on the original) 2. A Digital isolation transformer on the Coaxial Digital output on the SB3. (Both me and Hammer have this Modification) When i discovered the problem or "effect" my SB3 was i original state.. Only the Custom Linear powersupply. I still hear the same effect through the unmodified Optical output on the SB3... I only tried the "digital isolation transformer" Modification to se if that fixed the problem... I was "satisfied" with the optical output in the firstplace. When i talked about remove the "isolation transformers" & "power cleaners" i ment the AC current 220V/50 HZ feeding my whole Stereo. Not removing the Digital isolation transformer inside the SB3. I still hear the same effect through the unmodified Optical output on the SB3... And is a External DAC a Modification ? Yes i think i propably not going to hear any differance or have much more difficult to distinguish between "good" and "Bad" sound. Running through the analog outputs on the SB3 and removing the "isolation transformers" & "power cleaners" (AC current 220V/50 HZ) And if i remove my Elac CL 4Pi Plus (A universally applicable omnidirectional tweeter) "Then my problems will ge gone". I just tried to get a point in the previous post. Not all people is running with an External DAC etc and probably and not hearing this effect. Or as you wrote in the previous post: "My system isn't very high-end at all, so it could possibly have been masked in the "digital out-->analog conversion-->speakers-->room effects" chain but I doubt that. " Quote: Good grief. All the people are "convinced that this is not a placebo thing" and that makes it NOT a placebo thing? If you haven't tested using blind or double-blind methods, thereby isolating knowledge of the test condition from the test, the results simply cannot exclude the placebo effect. My girfriend did a blindtest on me, i know this doesn´t prof a thing... It have to be "blind/double-blind" But you asked me to consider the possibility that the effect we are hearing is perceptual? I still believe "Sigmund Freud" has nothing to do with this... Quote: "You can't measure any difference so far but still insist there is a difference." Hammer and i Will try more measure later... I know this arguing is not leading anywhere, it´s just makes all of us involved angry, I really don´t want to fight. You guys at logitech have your belief, Me and Hammer & Co have ours. Anyone reading this thread and having the "know-how" and proper tools, and the time, please help us. Best Regards! /Mats :-) -- omega omega's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter together with Nuforce amp?
Rightly I got slapped on another thread for misrepresenting the following (!). So, in the spirit of conditional reflex, I present to you, unadorned: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?ConnectToPowerAmp Darren -- darrenyeats darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36916 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter together with Nuforce amp?
I have just ordered a Transporter to be used with my Labtop and would like to use the Transporter balanced XLR directly to the Nuforce 9SE Reference. How to contro the volume without using any preamp.? How does the Vpp output from the Transporter correspond to the requirement from Nuforce, any problem here? Regards larss -- larss larss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12427 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36916 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amps without tone controls
I Own a pioneer A400X (audiophile) amplifier fairly old now however, this amp does not have bass or treble controls. This amp sounds quite bright in the treble end and has a nice bass at the low end. As someone else mentioned, you actually hear the music as was intended by the recording engineer. I have never missed my bass /treble controls and i have never thought about getting a graphic equaliser. I just want pure clean signal. I think the only way to be sure about what you are buying is to go to a dealer with a sound room and listen for yourself, you may be very surprised. -- Ashy72 Ashy72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36887 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter together with Nuforce amp?
Enoch;215488 Wrote: > Funny you say it I've the Vienna Acoustics Strass speakers... > > I've heard something about setting a DIP switch inside the Transporter > if used as a pre-amp, anyone? I think that the nuforce amsp will work wonderfully with your strauss. I have heard them several off times and the are fantastic. The nuforce amps will diffently grab them by the nuts and give you all the slam and power youwill ever need. The are also extremly detajled wich will work grat with the scan speak softdome tweeter in your strass. The Transporter have the fidility and kvality sound to not make the nuforce sound glarish. (I've heard something about setting a DIP switch inside the Transporter if used as a pre-amp, anyone?) regarding this im all ears but i just hooked it up to power amps and it worked flawlesly . regards -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36916 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter together with Nuforce amp?
greg_f;215592 Wrote: > Harmonic, > > That's quite a statement...the Tact Millenium is a top amp but beating > the rest by a wide margin?! Which version of the Millenium have you? As > for Aberdeen components, sure he knows everything that there is to know, > better than the designers themselves ;) I am not saying his mods dont > work...but he claims too much... > > I tried many different power amps in my system, Class A, Class D, > Valve. I am happy to use the Nuforce as part of my reference system. > > Have you actually heard the Ref9SE v2 or v1? There is a big difference > between the two. > > I agree that preamps will steal a bit of the dymanics. > > I also agree with the speaker choice. > > Regards, > > Greg. Hi Its a tact millennium mk3 its basicly the same as the lyngdorf mk4 but this one has been moddified to the ninth degree Besides what ever people have to say about anthony his work on tact gear is hands down magical. Not that it matters much but it dos also cost a 3 times as much as the nuforce amps. But this issent about tact its about nuforce yes the delaer explaind to me this was the brand new top model ref special edition V2 amps and had been running for a roun 150 houres. One thing thats more important then enythig else is that we all have different preferences . See for me the highnnotes in a system is what most importeent also that the sound must be as clean and unglarish as possible without offering the solid state superioties and here the modded millennium is the absolut champ. The nuforce v2 ref 9 se are the champs with dynamics and bass. If the are paired with the right speakers and gear you migt very well get system synagi. I extensivly listend to the nuforce amsp (and yes it was the new v2 amps) 3 different days at a dealer the first day with his frontend , the sound where very glarish but still impressiv. The next day i brougt my transporter form aberdeen components and wee hooked it straight up to the nuforce amsp the sound was MUCH MUCH better no glar more dynamic more forcused soundstage the dealer ordered 3 transporters the same day. The third day he had installed some new caps in his speakers and the whole thing sounded better the ever before. What this is telleing me is that the nuforce amsp are transperant amps and there for will be revaling to the upstream gear and that the transporter is on hell of a packets deal and it dos work very well with nuforce amps. thanks -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36916 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Videodrome;215190 Wrote: > BTW, is that a "pig" record clamp I see on the turntable? I haven't > seen one of those in years! Yes videodrome, well spotted it is a pig record clamp. -- Ashy72 Ashy72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter together with Nuforce amp?
harmonic;215447 Wrote: > Hi yes heard the combi but dont owen themhowever the sound ultra > higly detajled sligtly dark an have what seem to be unlimited power > recerves.. > The nurforc ref 9 se v2 are great amps for sure but the still have a > long way to better somthing like my tact millennium from aberdeen > components wich are still the best amplifire i have heard and that by > a pretty large margin . > But besides that the sound pretty damm sweet to me , forget preamps > just use the transporter as player/pre and you have a nice littel > reference system. > The combi of a transporter straigt into the nuforce amps where enourgh > to satisfy eny one . > When i demoed them we tried using the new nuforce preamp in the mix and > like most preamps it ads a littel brightness and steals a littel bit of > the dynaimcs . > > > For the price its really a nobrainer . > > One side note swichmode amps tend to work best with musical speakers > like sonus faber or vienna acoustics. > > > regards Harmonic, That's quite a statement...the Tact Millenium is a top amp but beating the rest by a wide margin?! Which version of the Millenium have you? As for Aberdeen components, sure he knows everything that there is to know, better than the designers themselves ;) I am not saying his mods dont work...but he claims too much... I tried many different power amps in my system, Class A, Class D, Valve. I am happy to use the Nuforce as part of my reference system. Have you actually heard the Ref9SE v2 or v1? There is a big difference between the two. I agree that preamps will steal a bit of the dymanics. I also agree with the speaker choice. Regards, Greg. -- greg_f greg_f's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5876 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36916 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] budget system help
if you can indicate the budget.more precisely. from my experience t-amp fantastic imaging ...but no bass bellow 100hz has only 3 watts usable power before clipping. nad amps ...are only warm if you use the fitted vol potsthey can be clean fast dynamic if you use an alps blue [this was true for my nad 3020a anyway]. richer sounds..gear the cambridge azur 740 amps are very good. the a1 and a5 are ok speakers ...the kef q7 and the tannoy eyris would be [on paper] the ones I'd look at...but you need to listen to them preferabley in you own listening room. -- zanash zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36696 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
jhelmus;215344 Wrote: > That being said, I really would like to learn... What's to learn? You already have a very nice system. Enjoy it. Or, you can spend ungodly amounts of time and money seeking increasingly tiny improvements, driving yourself broke and bonkers in the process, and not really enjoying the music as much because you're constantly twiddling with the system or dreaming about the next tiny improvement and how to pay for it. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] budget system help
I've always been happy with NAD amps. They sound very good for the money and tend to work well in lower and mid-priced systems. I'd classify their sound as "warm and dynamic". -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36696 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
To Omega & co First I most tell all, I do not have a SB3 so I not able to hear how it sounds and I not able to verify your clam. But as I see/read it, you and your friend have both a heavy modified SB3. This it self could be a problem as you not able to conclude that is the SB3 that has the fault. You also report that you think that without a isolation transforms, filters and so on you would have difficulty hearing the difference. Please do this test as a blind test for another person the you self/friend, this should be easy. And report back you discovery. In your setup, how can you be sure that there isn't a part of the system that falls, it could be that it just can't stand to have the same piece of music played twice with out a power off. It could be that the DAC have going in saturation/fault mode or soo In the pause situation not power off. The electrons could be jammed in the cables you could try to change them all. To all please don't take this selection very seriously :-) I not a believer Maybe Sean can answer this; during a power off situation are any part/circuits of the SB3 actual power off. I thinking in the non audio part, display control, wireless interface, main cpu and so. and in what state, are these circuits in a pause situation? It could be that something could add noise or change the phase in the music signal after a pause in the audio signal. All test should be blind tests: What happens is the first track played last a fraction of a second how it the next track then perceive? Try during the first good track to power off and on various parts of your soundsystem, DAC, preamp, poweramp. what is the perceive sound like Do you have the possibility to use another source to your extremal DAC like a cd player? Then try the same test. What happens if you use a pure tone instead of music? try both a high and low frequency tone My biggest concern is that you stop/have a break in the music. To my knowledge this alone can be enough for some to report that the heired two sounds (this is in a pure tone test). I can only suggestion you make a recording of the two situations and publish the result to this forum. My last comment please accept, that some people can't hear what you hear. if your not sadified with the SB3 buy another product rebuild it like others have. Maybe this product is just not high-end enough for your ears. regards Daniel -- danielu danielu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12424 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile wanna-be
Make a nuisance of yourself by visiting audiodphile dealers and listening to their advice. Try to buy something from them as its an expensive business being an audiophile dealer. Read lots of magazines. To be a real audiophile try listening to your music rather than your system. Visit lots of websites, After a couple of months you can either 1. Listen to some music. 2. Drive yourself mad trying to make your system turn the listening experience into a mind changing delight. Please note there are lots of nice people in the audiophile world, but also a lot of nutters. (respect to normal nutters) who are annoying little bores who should have a spiky audiophile amplifier shuvved where the sun don't shine. Maintain a sense of reality and keep a sense of humour. PS Don't mention power supplies, DACs, in any posts. :D -- mudlark SB3>CyrusDACX>PreXvs>260A>KEFiQ7 cable Avondale server Kubuntu Feisty Fawn, linkstation for storage. DIY SB3 3A linear power supply. mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
