Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why am I overloading when connected XLR balanced to a pre amp?
yooper wrote: I currently have my Transporter connected to my pre via XLR balanced, and some (not all) albums (flac) overload my system. I do keep the Transporter volume at 100%. Should this be happening? Why do only some albums overload? Is it ok that I keep this adjustment at -11 all the time, any effect on overall sound quality? pat wrote: Simple, some albums are mastered louder than others. Using digital volume control can have negative impact on some signals. It reduces the signal to noise ratio, and whenever you cut bits out, you really should re-dither. There are really no standards on voltages for signals, and thus the need for gain staging. All true but... I'm surprised that only some albums overload. Are you comparing albums of similar dynamics? In the digital world, there's a peak signal level that nothing can exceed. Some albums may have their average levels turned down, to prevent peak clipping, while heavily compressed albums can turn it up. > Would it be best to adjust attenuation within the Transporter instead? I would, I'd set the Transporter's internal attenuation so that when the TP is wide open, it does not overdrive the preamp. Careful here, the Transporters internal attenuation does NOT affect the balanced outputs If your pre-amp allows gain/sensitivity control, you could then adjust it so that turning the volume knob to the max is just a little louder than you ever want to listen. This will keep visitors, kids, etc. from blowing out your speakers. Agreed! Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why am I overloading when connected XLR balanced to a pre amp?
Thanks a lot, much appreciated! Mark -- yooper yooper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
bosco;217515 Wrote: > I haven't read the whole thread, but there is a really easy way to test > the digital outputs. > > Do you have a receiver that can decode Dolby Digital (AC3) or DTS? > > Go here: > http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/mall/artikel.asp?ProgramID=2446&Artikel=740607 > and download/unzip a DTS or AC3 file. Play it on your Squeezebox (volume > must be 100). The files are compressed, and if your receiver does not > get a *perfect* signal you will hear nothing at all or just static. > > Works fine here btw. Good luck. Why should a devices which is capable of pass-through dts and/or ac3 be -perfect-? Does it say something about the amount of jitter from that signal? -- Ejorne Ejorne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12330 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC & studio monitors: please indulge me and read this...
brjoon1021;217607 Wrote: > 3. I have boxes of records that I bought for $5 at a church auction. All > pristine classical records and some good rock like the Police, the > Clash, etc... Yeah!. I don't have a record player. Can a "pro audio" > mixing turntable make a decent/good record player ? Your advice on this > if you don't mind. > "Professional turntables" are designed for the needs of professional DJs. In the olden days, they were also designed for radio stations, but I don't think any real radio stations have used vinyl for decades. In either use, the professional use is not about audio quality it is about rugged use that will stand up to what DJs do. Which includes all sorts of evil things like back cue'ing, dropping needles, etc. If you subjected an "audiophile" moving coil cartridge to this abuse, it would die in a minute or two. If there is sonic quality you are trying to extract, I would strongly suggest you get something audiophile oriented, not aimed at DJs. There are a fair number of decent ~~$500 turntables, Project, etc. A pro-audio shop is a good place to get phono preamps that are decent quality and inexpensive. The audiophile shops seem to think that $3000 is a good price for a preamp that really is only good enough to feed into your real, line-level pre-amp. -- pfarrell Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html pfarrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37168 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC?
mlsstl;217522 Wrote: > I've used a Lavry DA-10 the past six months or so and have been > extremely pleased with it. Very smooth and natural with excellent low > level detail. Same for me. Highly recommended. JLM -- jlmatrat jlmatrat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10656 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
Ted - Evil you may be, but good taste in audio components -- occam occam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
If you like folk, older jazz, and world music genres, smithsonianglobalsound.org offers whole albums and individual tracks in FLAC format -- JeffW JeffW's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC & studio monitors: please indulge me and read this...
Proac Studio 100 / Lavry DA10 -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37168 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
I borrowed a friends Transporter to compare. I ran it for a couple of weeks with AudioQuest Python RCA interconnects but today replaced these with AudioQuest King Cobra XLR connectors. The difference using balanced connections is night and day and has brought the Transporter to life. This is the best I've ever heard digital sound :) System: InnerSound Eros MK3 active speakers InnerSound pre-amp with balanced inputs InnerSound ESL amplifier for panels Transporter running over GigE wired connection using FLAC encoded files server from a home built NAS running SlimServer. -- EvilTed EvilTed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11696 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC & studio monitors: please indulge me and read this...
brjoon1021;217607 Wrote: > > 2. active and passive monitors for home audio. Also, these powered > monitors have XLR inputs, my preamp does not have that output. Have you > seen a decent cable or adapter that would allow me to run my pre-amp > into the powered monitors ? > Pro audio shops sell different RCA/XRL adapters and/or cables. At least here in Europe www.thomann.de has all kinds of suitable stuff for this situation. Decent, I don't know, but they work. -- tot tot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11843 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37168 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC & studio monitors: please indulge me and read this...
Due to a pretty cool windfall, I can get a nice DAC to connect to my SB3. The only catch is that it has to come from a "Pro Audio" store rather than a Hi-FI store - due to insurance reasons. So, I have enough money to get a Lavry or Benchmark or whatever. I have read good things here and elsewhere about both of them. Have any of you done some serious A/B on a system where the DAC was the only variable ? Basically, I am looking for a recommendation as I have no opportunity to try either in a meaninful way, but I do get to pick one as if I found a magic lamp. Also, I am open to other DACs as well, just has to be from a Music gear store, not a Hi-Fi store. Secondly, I am considering monitors from a pro audio gear store as home speakers. I liked a small pair of Dynaudio speakers, the BMA5's. I can get them too. Are any of you familiar with those or other $1000 - $1500(US) monitors that would make a nice home stereo speaker. I have an audible illusions tube preamp to go in front of them if the speakers are powered. I have a Counterpoint SA 100 amp if the speakers are not active. For it to be worthwhile, the monitors/amp combo (whether powered or not) should be a decent step up from my old Paradigm Export Monitor 8 inch two-way speakers being driven by the Counterpoint. Sorry for the long post. I could really use any two cents that you would care to contribute about DAC's and active and passive monitors for home audio. Also, these powered monitors have XLR inputs, my preamp does not have that output. Have you seen a decent cable or adapter that would allow me to run my pre-amp into the powered monitors ? Thanks a lot! B. -- brjoon1021 brjoon1021's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12136 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37168 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why am I overloading when connected XLR balanced to a pre amp?
yooper wrote: > I currently have my Transporter connected to my pre via XLR balanced, > and some (not all) albums (flac) overload my system. I do keep the > Transporter volume at 100%. > Should this be happening? Why do only some albums overload? Is it ok > that I keep this adjustment at -11 all the time, any effect on overall > sound quality? Simple, some albums are mastered louder than others. Using digital volume control can have negative impact on some signals. It reduces the signal to noise ratio, and whenever you cut bits out, you really should re-dither. There are really no standards on voltages for signals, and thus the need for gain staging. > Would it be best to adjust attenuation within the Transporter instead? I would, I'd set the Transporter's internal attenuation so that when the TP is wide open, it does not overdrive the preamp. Then I'd use the pre-amps gain control to control loudness to the speakers. If your pre-amp allows gain/sensitivity control, you could then adjust it so that turning the volume knob to the max is just a little louder than you ever want to listen. This will keep visitors, kids, etc. from blowing out your speakers. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why am I overloading when connected XLR balanced to a pre amp?
I currently have my Transporter connected to my pre via XLR balanced, and some (not all) albums (flac) overload my system. I do keep the Transporter volume at 100%. I do have an option within my pre to adjust analog input levels, and need to decrease the volume for two channel to -11 db to kep some albums from distorting. Should this be happening? Why do only some albums overload? Is it ok that I keep this adjustment at -11 all the time, any effect on overall sound quality? Would it be best to adjust attenuation within the Transporter instead? Thanks, Mark -- yooper yooper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Onkyo Mini Receivers (515, 715 etc)
>Anyone using one of these with a SB?< Yep! :-) Not using the Onkyo speakers though as they aren't too clever, replaced by some Wharfedale Diamonds. Comparing the DAC? Well, in a completely subjective test, the direct digital in was 'heavier' on tonal balance and there was less subtlety overall, like using a smaller palette of tonal colours. But to be honest, at these prices, the speaker dominates the sound. +---+ |Filename: 28072007092.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3093| +---+ -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37151 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
darrenyeats;211090 Wrote: > > > 2. Where do you guys get good Hi-Fi downloads (as opposed to 128K) ? > > I advise not buying downloads but CDs instead. Downloads are mostly not > CD quality. Downloads often have DRM. Even the rest cannot be replaced > if you lose the data on your computer. Yes I have a good backup system > but it's always nice to have the artwork and shiny disc, which of > course you can always use in any legacy home or car stereo. My 0.02's > worth. > Regards, Darren -- darrenyeats Monarchy CLD-M401 transport -> Sony DAS-703ES DAC -> Krell KAV-300i -> PMC AB-1 (home-made room treatments and supports) darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
krede;217577 Wrote: > I mean Online :-) Sure: Ebay, Amazon, etc. Oh- you mean download :-) Yeah the russian site is illegal if you're in the U.S. You could check the web sites of bands you like, because they sometimes offer FLAC downloads, but usually of live shows they recently did. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
Is this russian site ilegal? -- krede krede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12546 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
Magnatune, Linn Records legally And a certain Russian site we don't mention :) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
I mean Online :-) -- krede krede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12546 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
Anyplace that sells new or used compact discs. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
Does anyone know where I can buy music in lossless format? -- krede krede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12546 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
