Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
Not at all.. I love the clarity and high frequency crispness and Detail that the speakers provide. That was one of the main reasons I bought a electrostat cause I loved lots of detail and The drummer who colours his music with a lot of cymbal work is my Favourite...RUSH drummer Neil Peart. The speaker stays ... everything else is expendable. HerculePirate -- HerculePirate HerculePirate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
If i where you i would diffently check out Sonus faber speakers . the also work very good with krell amps. Based apone what you are writing it really dossent sound like you like eletrostate speakers, because what you are describing is have all the electrostatic speakers sound like to me. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
schatzy;218746 Wrote: > Hello again, > > I am not one to normal name names but in this case Opaqueice, it is > attitudes like yours that prompted me to write in the first > place. > > Omega could have 100 or even 1000 or more people listen to his system > and have the same experience that he has had. Then I or anyone else on > this forum could find another 100 or 1000 or more people that do not > hear it when listening to Omegas system. > > You can not and do not have the right to tell these people that do not > hear it that they are wrong. They just do not have the ear that can > hear it. If we gave them all hearing tests we may find out why they do > not hear it but in that case no one can tell them they are wrong > because they just do not hear it. > For someone that claims to have read this thread you don't seem to have followed it very well. I didn't say anywhere that omega is wrong, whatever that means. I certainly never questioned whether or not he was hearing something - on the contrary, I defended him against some posts suggesting he was trolling. I simply suggested a simple and effective test which would help isolate where the effect is coming from. The issue here, which seems to have escaped you entirely, was whether (as omega claimed) there is a problem with the SB or with SS or whether it's placebo. It's not very difficult to answer that, and until it's answered it's a waste of time speculating about what might be wrong with the SB. Most of this thread has been spent trying (and failing) to get omega or one of his friends to do a proper test to determine that. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Hello again, I am not one to normal name names but in this case Opaqueice, it is attitudes like yours that prompted me to write in the first place. Omega could have 100 or even 1000 or more people listen to his system and have the same experience that he has had. Then I or anyone else on this forum could find another 100 or 1000 or more people that do not hear it when listening to Omegas system. You can not and do not have the right to tell these people that do not hear it that they are wrong. They just do not have the ear that can hear it. If we gave them all hearing tests we may find out why they do not hear it but in that case no one can tell them they are wrong because they just do not hear it. He's not saying "I hear this, isn't that nice, let's all be happy." Also Opaqueice, no where in my last post did i say that Omega should just "be happy". I in fact think that he should be posting here to say "I hear a problem". I believe that Omega does hear a difference. I have not noticed and have connected my computer and SB3 to a friends system. This system consists of mostly Mark Levinson equipment. Now you will probably say that Mark Levinson equipment is trash, but there are a lot of people out there that would argue with you. I will not because you have your opinion and i have mine. Neither of us is wrong as far as i am concerned. What should be happening here is trying to figure out a way to solve the problem and not all the bickering from people like you saying he is wrong. No one is wrong here. Some people may hear it and others may not. That does not mean they are wrong. Omega, Have you tried a plain old fashion isolation transformer, not any of the so called power conditioners to try and eliminate any mains interference. Also mentioned here is a mystery surrounding the phase of the mains and why it seems to sound better if all of the equipment is connected in the same phase. Yes here in the US we can not normally change the phase of the mains for each piece of equipment as one side of the power is always connected to ground. In Europe ground is separate from both the voltage lines. Question to sean adams, has all the audio (hi-fi) equipment in your testing lab been connected to 220-240 volts with a truly independent ground (i.e. maybe no ground at all connected), is there a difference of the kind that Omega is stating he hears. Can you reverse the plug on the SB3 (changing the phase) and then is there a difference. How about if the amplifier mains phase is reversed. I do not remember reading if this has been tried. If it has great if it has not can it be tried so that just one more possible cause can be eliminated. I ask the above question because when i worked for Cello Ltd. (search the web if you have not heard of them) we had problems with some transformers not preforming well on mains power that was not grounded (neutral) on one side. This ended up being a problem with one small lot of transformer and the way they were wound. Unfortunately Cello Ltd no longer exists but many of us that worked there very much enjoyed the experience and the quality of the sound reproduction that it produced. I surely hope that through good and non combative discussion that this problem can be solved. Even if it take 124 pages of posts to this thread. Lastly i apologize in advance if i have offended anyone. Scahtzy -- schatzy schatzy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
Thanks very much for the feed I have a marble floor but with a small bit of carpet laid out. I will look into the feet of the speaker thing. I use Synergistic Research Alpha Quad speaker cables.. Also its not just AIC...but most of the music that I love that sounds awesome on a mid fi set up sounds bad... To give and example...the guitar sound i love to be crunchy which is what I get from my mid fi setup but with the Krell and Cadence Amaya the guitar crunch is way back in the sound...u know..that rock guitar just doesnt show. Thanks HerculePirate -- HerculePirate HerculePirate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
Why should you replace ANY of your equipment because of a bad recording? Just get a good recording of Alice in Chains. Does one exist? -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
Electrostats love TUBES! If you look on the Cadence web site they mention what they used to demo their speakers at a recent audio show, tubes. I believe that the Krell, which is a nice amp, just isn't a good match. Also you don't mention what cables you're using or what cd player. Getting a good sounding system is all about synergy between components. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry Da10
I made up some FPS cables and floted the pin. This unit sounds awesome. I am also very impressed with the headphone stage. I have an antique-sound-labs MG-Head 12ax7 head amp, and the Lavry sounds as smooth -- fezco fezco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3855 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34569 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
Do you think that a room correcting device would make sense in that case? Like the Behringer or the TacT 2.2 Thanks HerculePirate -- HerculePirate HerculePirate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
Alwin, What kind of floor do you have in your listening room? If your floor is made of wood, i would highly recommend buying damping feets for your speakers from this company http://www.sonicdesign.se/sdfeet.html It's a very cheap tweak, but can lift your equipment very much. The damping feets are available in standard and pro models . -- dolce24 dolce24's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
Alwyn, I have a Krell KAV-300i and it can sound cold with the wrong set up. You just need the right speakers, and then the right "liveness" in the room. I have found my room needs to be quite dead (a lot of damping material to stop first reflections) to tame the treble area. Otherwise the frequency response is too bright and harsh. This translates into annoyance and lack of enjoyment. At one point I was avoiding my main system, which shows the scale of the problem I had! For me, the right damping helped everything make sense, and my main system became my preferred system - just as it should be. Darren PS: Also I have other problems due to being on an upper floor (bass response) but these can be mitigated too...indirectly, the damping can be part of the solution...another subject. PPS: PM me if you need more information. -- darrenyeats Monarchy CLD-M401 transport or SB3 -> Sony DAS-703ES DAC -> Krell KAV-300i -> PMC AB-1 (home-made room treatments and supports) darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
Johann - It was. The difficultly of the internet is that we often misinterpret other's posts, at least I occasionally do so. Regardless of the fact that Ted is evil, occasionally misinterprets posts, he still has good taste in audio components. -- occam occam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound of Fixed vs Variable Digital Volume
>From what I understand they only tested for codecs using some sort of data reducing compressions such as MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MP3 and DTS. I would think that it could then apply for MP3 and other formats with data redcuing compressions but not for lossless formats and certainly not for WAV. -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37302 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
occam;218701 Wrote: > OK, I'm sorry (on so many levels...) I thought it was clear that was intended for EvilTed but I'm sorry for not pointing that out clearer than just quoting him. :) -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound of Fixed vs Variable Digital Volume
krochat;218688 Wrote: > I think my SB3 sounds better at 95% volume than 100% (or fixed) - see > the following paper for a possible reason why: > http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/ni...3_overload.pdf > Seems valid for recent popular releases, but I'd be pretty embarrassed to own any of the titles that sum out to 3 or 4 in their Table 1. Using their classification of mastering loudness*, A number zero should sound better at 100/100 since you're not losing any extra SNR, but I also prefer numbers 1 and 2 at full volume. That said, I'd probably fail a blind test. Code: * Explanation of Sums in Table 1: 0: Low level. Not full use of CD dynamic range, no problems besides from reduced S/N ratio during reproduction. 1: Well aligned level. Fully used CD dynamic range, no problems to be expected during reproduction. 2: Level to the hot side. Probably no reproduction distortion. 3: Hot level. Distortion through codecs, SRC and DA converters to be expected. 4: Very hot level. Obvious distortion through codecs, SRC and DA converters to be expected -http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/nielsen_lund_2003_overload.pdf -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37302 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
truckfighters;218686 Wrote: > hi there, > > ... > a whole wile ago I was posting a similar issue I had with the SB3. > > that was exactly the same thing omega is hearing. the sound is changing > and is not "high-end" anymore. it sounds like digitally distorted. > > I don't know when and whay it happened, but it really did. Also this > came up when friends were here visiting my place and my seriously > listened to music. > > since I can remember how things should sound, I quite fast heard the > change. > > so what I always did to bring everything back to normal was simply to > unplug the power source of the SB3 and replug it. > > then the sound was restored to "high-end". > ... > > This happened to me a few times atleast. I had to reboot the SB3 to take care of a really 'muddy' sound. Also, I upgraded to a dual-core CPU on the PC running Slimserver and reripped most of my collection. Now the sound seems better. (Actually, I did not expect any change at all. I was just bored/upset that I had to rerip because of a crash) Not sure, because of the reripping with different EAC settings or because of a better wi-fi connection with the new faster CPU. -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice to improve Sound.
hello Slimers I have had a bad realisation with my equipment. The other day I managed to get a CD of one of my favourite bands...Alice in Chains - LIVE And I played it on my secondary system (Computer Winamp - Grundig Amp and Cadence Diva speakers) and I was rocking to glory... The moment I go the CD into my main setup..the Krell 400xi and Cadence Amaya Hybrid Electrostat speakers..the truth was out there to be heard..it was extremely bad recording..u know what i mean.. I couldnt listen to the CD after 3 tracks I was disgusted and proud..but mostly disgusted..after having spent more than $4000 on an amp and speakeri could enjoy some of my favourite music... One of the great drawback of a neutral setup... What can you suggest me for me... Also having an outboard Equalizer..does that solve my problem? How can i get around this problem? I also noticed that Enjoy The Muisc has reviewed the Behringer Ultracurve 2486Does this solve my issues... Because of this I have been wondering if I should go for a Squeezebox or Transporter PLease Help Thanks Herculepirate -- Alwyn Pinto -- HerculePirate HerculePirate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
johann;218695 Wrote: > How about a simple "I'm sorry"? ;) OK, I'm sorry (on so many levels...) -- occam occam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Hi truckfighters Quote: "I could believe it has something to that we phase, neutral and ground here in germany (may be in sweden also)?" "we can plug our devices like we want into the wall sockets. and I also claim that there are sonical diffences by replugging mains 180° of transporter and my amp. but this is not an unknown fact here in germany. a lot of people are aware of the issue and there are even devices out there to detect the correct phase of the mains plug." Yes it´s same here in Sweden regarding this, I Know about this and all my Gear is in "right Phase". Strange that this thing works! First when i heard about it a didnt believe it, But then i tried and... I don´t know about US but UK can´t do the 180° I will try to replugging power to my SB3 and see. Thanks for the Tips ! Best Regards! /Mats :-) -- omega omega's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
EvilTed;218644 Wrote: > I thought you were saying I didn't have good taste in audio components > ;) > > When I re - read it, I guess it can be interpreted either way. How about a simple "I'm sorry"? ;) -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Know anything about the Micromega Duo.pro2 ?
I have been offered one for about 1/10 of the original asking price ($ 3000 here in Norway around 1996). Something to go for? Amplifier: Marantz PM7200 Class A mode Speakers: Klipsch RF-52 Source: Pioneer DVD-575A -- vidarm vidarm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12559 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound of Fixed vs Variable Digital Volume
GregoryGoh;218650 Wrote: > I was just wondering if anybody had a view on the relative sound quality > of the Transporter between the "Digital output level is fixed" and the > "Volume controls adjust digital volume" settings, when it is driving an > external DAC > I think my SB3 sounds better at 95% volume than 100% (or fixed) - see the following paper for a possible reason why: http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/nielsen_lund_2003_overload.pdf Try it and see what you think, Kim -- krochat -- SB3 (+linear) -> Big Ben -> TacT RCS 2.2X -> 2xS2150 -> Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37302 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
hi there, just found this thread, read almost the 10 first pages and came to the 2 last - the issue still not solved. a whole wile ago I was posting a similar issue I had with the SB3. that was exactly the same thing omega is hearing. the sound is changing and is not "high-end" anymore. it sounds like digitally distorted. I don't know when and whay it happened, but it really did. Also this came up when friends were here visiting my place and my seriously listened to music. since I can remember how things should sound, I quite fast heard the change. so what I always did to bring everything back to normal was simply to unplug the power source of the SB3 and replug it. then the sound was restored to "high-end". I postet this in the end of 2006 and also sean adams replied to it. but we found no solution. I have a transporter now and no issue here. I could believe it has something to that we phase, neutral and ground here in germany (may be in sweden also)? we can plug our devices like we want into the wall sockets. and I also claim that there are sonical diffences by replugging mains 180° of transporter and my amp. but this is not an unknown fact here in germany. a lot of people are aware of the issue and there are even devices out there to detect the correct phase of the mains plug. cheers -- truckfighters | Transporter | REDGUM RGASil OCC Silver Interconnects | REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP | REDGUM LS Cable | B&W Nautilus 802 D | >>> Live musicians at the end of my room! <<< truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
schatzy;218599 Wrote: > > We should all rethink sometimes before we speak or type. If Omega > thinks there is a difference between the first track played and the > second played and that it makes a difference turning if off and then > back on that is his opinion and no one should or has the right to tell > him he is wrong. That is how his ears hear it. Maybe mine do not but > that does not make omega wrong. > Did you read his original post? omega Wrote: > > I have found a big problem with SB3 / slimerver Audio! > > > > We both have very good "Hi End" Gear / revealing speakers etc. external > DAC > > It´s easier to hear on my system because i have a "A universally > applicable omnidirectional tweeter" > He's not saying "I hear this, isn't that nice, let's all be happy." He's saying "I hear this because I have a good system and it means there is a major flaw in the SB or SS." If you're going to make a claim like that, you'd better be prepared for considerable skepticism and questioning. And no, it's simply not true that no one has the "right" to tell him he's right or wrong. Of course they do... and in fact he's the one telling everyone else there's a problem, and that if they don't hear it it's probably because their system isn't good enough. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound of Fixed vs Variable Digital Volume
Hi everyone I was just wondering if anybody had a view on the relative sound quality of the Transporter between the "Digital output level is fixed" and the "Volume controls adjust digital volume" settings, when it is driving an external DAC Any feedback is much appreciated Greg -- GregoryGoh GregoryGoh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11138 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37302 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB setup great but I lost my CD player MoJo.
I second the Beresford DAC and SB3, i am very happy with combo. i find saturday morning is the best time for mojo ! while shes out shopping. bt -- BigTony We're Only In It For The Music! www.zappateers.com BigTony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10638 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37014 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
I thought you were saying I didn't have good taste in audio components ;) When I re - read it, I guess it can be interpreted either way. Yes, InnerSound make some really, really good gear. The tube amp I knew about (I know Gary) but I have other things I'd rather spend my money on nowadays, you know, like a BMW or something ;) Peace ET -- EvilTed EvilTed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11696 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
So your point about my bad taste was what exactly? -- EvilTed EvilTed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11696 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
schatzy - that's a very good post and yes, it all comes down to personal preferences. But what should be filtered out is the placebo effect. I'm starting to notice that no one on this forum will admit to being affected by the placebo effect. This can't be possible, that's how our brains fundamentally work - expectations can skew results and reinforce themselves. If you believe something is better, your brain will subconsciously change your perception of it until you actually perceive it is better. And it can be passed on to others too - once omega suggested this to his friends they were looking for a difference and they found it (if you're looking for a difference you'll always find one even if there isn't a difference). Subsequent listening tests reinforced this belief. (This is how Q-Ray bracelets are sold.) omega has also admitted that he finds WAV sounds better than FLAC and that wired sounds better than wireless. Both of these assertions have very weak physical explanations but very strong psychological explanations based on expactation (we expect WAV must be better than FLAC because FLAC is 'compressed' and wired must be better than wireless because it's solid, it's physical, we can touch it and has better bandwidth.) This is not to say that omega is crazy or that he isn't hearing this, he is, but his expectations might be overriding reality. This isn't necessarily negative, we're all individuals and some inherently and subconsciously place more emphasis on expectation. Expectation is so real and some of us can be so dramatically affected by it that seemingly non-sensical devices to improve sound (stones, exotic woods, raising cables off the floor, special lacquers, even foil strips or dots) can really alter the -perceived- sound for certain individuals, and the only physical explanation for it is that it alters their expectations. If it does alter the perceived sound, then it's money well-spent for those people. Who are we to judge? However, if those individuals insisted that others would hear the same effects they would have to prove it in a way that would ensure their expectations aren't skewing the results. The SB designer himself cannot see a physical explanation for what omega is hearing. omega is surely hearing it, and in fact his brain is reinforcing this each time he hears it - the SB will probably never sound quite right to him now. In order to fix it though, Sean Adams must find what is wrong, and he can't find an electronic explanation for it. So it won't/can't be fixed because nothing has been discovered to be inherently wrong with every Squeezebox out there. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof and the burden of proof is on omega. Sean and many people here have an immense interest in making the SB sound as good as it can and if a physical defect were to be be found they would be right on it. But a physical defect hasn't been found yet. I'm pleased and slightly surprised that omega is taking this very well and still being civil, but it's also apparent that omega can't admit that maybe it could be placebo. His problem would be fixed if he could prove that it was not. It's great that he's still interested in proving this, because this is the only way to get others to fix it - to show that his expectations are not influencing his reality and that the problem can be readily and repeatedly perceived by anyone. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] This Is An Improvement
omega;218604 Wrote: > > Anyway have you read "my" thread ? "Design miss in SB3 digital output? > or Slimserver problem ?" > Tired. . -- haunyack Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 -> Rotel RB 1070 -> B&W Matrix 805. Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37251 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Parametric Equalizer?
Well yes, there are other issues as well. I'm not suggesting adding a complete room correction suite like Inguz or Acourate though - that would be a tremendous undertaking. Every room has anomalies. EQ can shave humps (port frequencies or room nodes for example) or to some degree fill in nulls. The SPL meter is a useful tool to cross-check where the oddities are. For instance, in my room I have a null from about 100 hz to 200 hz. Boosting that area helps smooth out acoustic bass. Without the test tone/meter I wouldn't know exactly where to boost. The problem with EQ is that it's either another analog machine and all the related circuitry/wires, or a DSP machine like TacT that heavily processes the bits. The beauty of doing this with the SB is that any processing is done at the rawest level. The Inguz version seems quite transparent. All I'm saying is that it seems to be a very simple function that would greatly improve the utility of the platform, without outboard programming and dependency thereon. Inguz is at the next level. It is nowhere near plug'n'play but does a LOT more than parametric. This would in no way duplicate the efforts nor results of Inguz. -- miklorsmith miklorsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4349 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37294 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New User - Please help with 96K playback
amcluesent;216839 Wrote: > 96/24 is confusing! As the GBP:USD rate is so good, I d/l Symphonie > Fantastique as a FLAC from HighDefTapeTransfers.com (Meta tags were > non-existant BTW). > Thank you for the tip to this place! I've never seen the point of paying to d/l crappy compressed music before. Now at least I can see a reason to pa yto d/l, I'll give this place a go. Must be a moral in there for the record companies in there somewhere! -- ermine ermine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36986 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
You are of course right, if Mats perceives a difference, he does infact perceive a difference. But the title of the thread is "Design miss in SB3 digital output?", so there is a claim that others should also be able to hear the difference, and that it might even be a result of some technical error. To make this claim you will have to be able to prove that there is infact a physical difference in frequency and amplitude of soundwaves travelling from the speakers, which could be easily done with a blind-test. /Brjánn -- brjann brjann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12214 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] This Is An Improvement
Hi! - mister pig I Also think Streaming "Flac as WaVe" sounds better than Stream "FLAC as FLAC". And i think "Wired connection" sounds better than "Wireless connection" Strange but maybe this have something with emi interference ? Anyway have you read "my" thread ? "Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?" /Mats -- omega omega's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37251 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
Let me start by saying that I am new to the forums here. I have found lots of very helpful people post to these forums in all categories, and have made my purchase of two SB3 much more pleasant and easy to deal with. And thanks to all of you. There is one thing that disturbs me though, and that is the negative attitude of some of the posts in this thread. (And I have read all of them). I will not name names but i think most of you will recognize who you are. Now let me put in my 10 cents here. (ok maybe 25 cents with the length of this post) Merriam-Webster Dictionary au·dio·phile Function: noun: a person who is enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction high fidelity Function: noun the reproduction of an effect (as sound or an image) that is very faithful to the original With the above stated I do not know of any test that can be administered to any one or multiple individuals that will prove if they are an audiophile or not an audiophile. All of the individuals that have contributed to this thread are correct. At least in their own mind an that is the only thing that counts. Being and audiophile can only be self proclaimed. Two of my neighbors are self proclaimed audiophiles as I am myself. One of my neighbors has over $300,000.00 (three hundred thousand dollars) worth of equipment in his home. The other has about $1000.00. I personally have about $4500.00 worth of equipment. Can I hear the difference between the three systems? I will answer that with a resounding YES. Can both my neighbors hear the difference? Again a resounding YES. The only requirement with being a self proclaimed audiophile is that you LOVE music. All the tests in the world that use electronics equipment to judge the True Sound of a audio system are there for the unknowing individual. I mean that an amplifier can boast about its low THD or its Power Output, or a test can show there is no difference in the digital signals, but the reality of the matter is that every one of us that listen to it will hear it differently. I have worked for some of the best known audio equipment manufacturers. I have been in some of the best recording studios in the United States. All of them great experiences. The real test of an audio system is for it to sound as close to the original source material as it can. If that means the recording was done on The Esplinade in Boston, MA, USA, then I had better hear some of the crowd and street noise in the recording. If it was done in the studio then it had better sound just as it did when I was actually there listening to it being recorded. I know of know system that is perfect in reproducing that sound exactly. But I can say this. I have listened to a recording from a time when I was present for the recording on my system and both my neighbors systems. None of them sound truly like standing there in the studio. You may ask which one sounds best? It may be obvious that it sounds closer to the original on the very expensive system. But what really matters is that we all enjoyed the music, the conversation about that time in my life and had a great time listening to music. My neighbors and my self can afford what we have. Yes, two of us are a little envious of the one with the very expensive equipment, but if I had that kind of money I probably would spend it on other things any way. We should all rethink sometimes before we speak or type. If Omega thinks there is a difference between the first track played and the second played and that it makes a difference turning if off and then back on that is his opinion and no one should or has the right to tell him he is wrong. That is how his ears hear it. Maybe mine do not but that does not make omega wrong. One more comment before I go. With the advent of the iPod and other portable music players we have a generation of new music lovers that may never know what it is like to listen to music on a system with Audiophile Quality. And I know most of them will never know what it is like to stand in the studio with the likes of Buddy Guy, Mariah Carey , Sting, Muddy Waters, or many others. But my feeling is if they enjoy what they are listening to great for them. We should all be glad that music is a part of our lives because there are parts of this world we live in where humans do not get to listen to music only the cries of the poor and starving. Best wishes to all and ENJOY THE MUSIC Schatzy -- schatzy schatzy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Parametric Equalizer?
Yes, but what about the "time response". Getting a ruler flat Freq Response is only part of the picture and often does weird things to the time response, i.e. transient response on percussion, etc. Proceed with caution and trust your ears much more than any sound level meter information. -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37294 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Softone Model 2 DAC
anyone heard one of these ? and care to comment ? www.icl.co.jp/audio/english/m2-1.htm looking at an external DAC for SB3 and maybe CD player - my wife likes the look of the Moodlab dice/concept - though this softone seems to have a good spec Liam -- soupdragon SB3 + Cyrus CD6 + JVC QL A75 DD TT -> Cyrus PreX -> Eclipse TD 502 -> Eclipse 512 speakers soupdragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37299 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cracking between tracks
seanadams;218517 Wrote: > Hmm. Well, again, there is nothing special about track transitions as > far as the s/pdif is concerned. No information about a track change is > transmitted, nor is there any interruption of the signal or change in > the out-of-band data. (I am only speaking of SB3/TP here - a CD player > will at least change the Q-subcode data) > What about clock switching? If one track is 44.1KHz and the next is 48KHz the clocks and S/PDIF will get disrupted as they switch. Is there a conceivable mechanism where this might happen even when the two tracks are 'on' the same clock? It's just a thought, although I haven't come across this issue myself. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37264 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
