Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
Robin Bowes;238725 Wrote: > servies wrote: > > Robin Bowes;238680 Wrote: > >> I don't really understand what you're saying here, but it sounds > like > >> the tired, old "bits is bits" argument. > >> > >> It's not as simple as that, as has been discussed many times here on > >> this forum, and on countless other forums/lists. > >> > >> R. > > Yeah yeah I know, quantum mechanics etc. etc... > > > No, nothing as esoteric as that. > > Most DACs must recover the timing information from the bitstream. If > that isn't done correctly it affects the audio. > I'll leave you research the issue more. > R. Then I'll leave it up to you to find the differences between the following bitstreams: 11001100110011001100110011001100110011001100110011 and 11001100110011001100110011001100110011001100110011 -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39684 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
ted_b;238834 Wrote: > Just to give you an idea of the extensive nature of the Modwright TP > > before and after It's a good thing Sean left all that extra room in the box! ;-) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
We do have house sync (video black) as well as house wordclock... two different things and used for two different purposes. Our rooms were designed by some of the folks that worked at Lucas' Skywalker Ranch as well as myself. We've been doing this a long time. ;-) We have 6 Benchmark DAC1s in our facility and they don't have a WC out... that's why I asked. I hadn't seen a DAC like that. In my case, I'd supply WC to the Transporter if I wanted to run in to a digital input for re-recording. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
I will assume you made your choices based on listening preferences, and furthermore I would think it is safe to assume the Transporter is not the weakest link in the chain. First off I'd work on developing a good relationship with an audiophile dealer. The right one will allow you to try out stuff. And that is the utter and total key. Sure they are interested in selling you something- but if it's the right dealer, it will only be after you establish it is the right improvement in your chain. It is an art and a project to improve on a good audio chain. Good luck searching - only you can get it right for yourself! -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
Eric Seaberg;238845 Wrote: > So you have a D-to-A converter than has a wordclock output? Haven't > heard of that one. That's the whole point of it! You are thinking of a very different application of the concept. > You may want to listen to the analog output of the Transporter on its > own before going through all of the hassle. I'd agree with you there. > > I did some major testing of our ProTools HD rigs (4-studios) comparing > the output jitter when they were running on INTERNAL clock or having to > sync to an EXTERNAL clock. The output jitter was considerably LESS when > run internal. That's correct, jitter is always lower with an internal clock. That is why IF you are using an external DAC, you ideally want the DAC to have an INTERNAL clock, and then send its clock signal out to the data source's clock input. Then the data source device is acting _only_ as a data source, not a data + (poor) clock source. > > We only run our studios using a house wordclock source when we need to > do realtime digital transfers between studios. Otherwise, they all run > on their own internal clock. Of course all of the digital gear in that > room is locked to the ProTools master clock. That is the right way to do it, but what you're describing is more properly called "house sync", even though it can use the audio word clock frequency. It is a different application that has nothing to do with reducing jitter. Indeed, as you say it would make it worse, which is why a word-clock-derived clock signal should never be used to drive a DAC. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
mofuv;238794 Wrote: > I want to use a DAC with a world clock output as master. So you have a D-to-A converter than has a wordclock output? Haven't heard of that one. You may want to listen to the analog output of the Transporter on its own before going through all of the hassle. I did some major testing of our ProTools HD rigs (4-studios) comparing the output jitter when they were running on INTERNAL clock or having to sync to an EXTERNAL clock. The output jitter was considerably LESS when run internal. I don't have all of the info here in front of me, but I did verify this theory at a digital maintenance session sponsored by Sencore, the manufacturer of the test gear. We only run our studios using a house wordclock source when we need to do realtime digital transfers between studios. Otherwise, they all run on their own internal clock. Of course all of the digital gear in that room is locked to the ProTools master clock. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
There is something alluring about a device with a couple of wireless-G antennae sticking up behind some warm, glowing, 1950's vacuum tubes... So how does it sound? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
Just to give you an idea of the extensive nature of the Modwright TP before and after +---+ |Filename: modtpinside.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3615| +---+ -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II
Look what showed up in my music room today. !!! :>) My Modwright Transporter is S/N #003. I'll post impressions later on, once it settles in, but sounds incredible already (1 hr old). +---+ |Filename: ModwrightTransporter1.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3611| +---+ -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
Those aren't bad speakers, but if you're going to upgrade anything it should be them. But before buying anything, try moving them a few feet out from the wall. It can make an absolutely amazing difference. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Amps
iPhone;238409 Wrote: > a Class D amplifier merely converts an input waveform into a > continuously pulse-width modulated (square wave) analog signal. The classic Class D amp design uses a continuously variable pulse width modulation, but I have seen some newer implementations which use discreet pulse width steps, similar to single bit DAC's, or the DSD stream used in SACD. That would make them Class D -and- digital, just to muddy the waters! As for Pat's desire for a class AD amp, you certainly could build one, but personally I'd just bi-amp! That big power class D for the woofer, and a Class A on the mid/tweeter! Sort of like what I'm running now, 200w of class AB for the Bass, 25w of Class A for the rest! Cheers, Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39504 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
In slimserver go to Player Settings/Audio, and scroll down to "Clock Source". -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
Two things: boring amp and boring speakers. Sorry mate. Buy my old EAR 859 here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200167971167&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=010 To you at a discount. If you don't like it (impossible), you can just sell it again for no loss. OK here you go: I guarantee you'll like it, and will cover your loss* Then buy some better speakers. How about some Neats or Audio Physics? Whatever you fancy. Your speakers are the cheapest item in your system, which is just silly. Make sure you have the foo sorted out: clean contacts and reasonable supports and cables etc. Syringe your ears ;) Adam * Terms and conditions apply ;) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR V20, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
AndyC_772;238637 Wrote: > > On the technical side: typical accuracy for a quartz crystal is around > +/- 50 parts per million, with higher precision available at > exponentially increasing cost. So, if the source and DAC were > mismatched by that amount, the DAC would have to interpolate or drop > 2.2 samples per second. Audible? Probably not. Good for marketing? > Unlikely. Somone correct me if I am wrong, but that would only be the case if there is absolutely no jitter in the clock mismatch, and also only if we are talking about a configuration with a buffer design that is not very smart, where the mismatch *has* to lead to sample discards. It's relatively simple to design things as if to avoid discards every time there's a mismatch in an free running asynchronous configuration (and in audio systems we are talking plesiochronous rather than asynchronous). -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] upgrade advice for nad 320bee and B&W currently
sub may be your best bet but if I were looking at floor standing speaks then I would probably get the Rockets from av123 ... http://www.av123.com/products_category_brand.php?section=speakers&brand=3 -- cgull cgull SB3 > SP7 > Onix Ref-1: http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img6721et3.jpg cgull's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13453 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39679 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
Order the Yellow Paper/Red Pen Kit along with the Rianbow foil from Peter Belt http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/index.html . Take the yellow paper and write "good speakers good audio" with the Red Pen and place on the right corner of each speaker. Then write "Transporter OK" and place on left corner and take a piece of yellow paper and put it under the front right foot of the Transporter. According to the website, all will be fixed. Or you could send your Transporter to me and I will keep it until it sounds better! -- iPhone iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
I want to use a DAC with a world clock output as master. What do you mean with WEB Browser within the transporter settings? Under settings in the transporter there is no WEB browser topic and connecting the computer via slimserver to the transporter does not give a menue with settings, only the music playing functions. Trying to connect directly to the IP address does also not work. It would be great if you could describe for a beginner what exactly I have to do to get to the world clock settings. -- mofuv mofuv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
Pull all the cables out and then plug them back in. You might be amazed how much this helps. Check the speakers aren't wobbling about. -- the_twin the_twin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5324 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
Can I ask why you want to do this? The only reason would be if you're taking a digital output of the TP and feeding it into another digital source that is ALSO locked to the same word clock. You can select the word clock source by using the WEB Browser within the Transporter settings. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
I have an external world clock connected to the world clock input of the transporter. I cannot find any information how to set the transporter as slave when using the external world clock a master. Where can I find this information? Any ideas? -- mofuv mofuv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
I'm afraid we have very serious case of "upgradeitis" here. Nurse, hand me a check book, please. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
amcluesent;238753 Wrote: > started(?) > Difficult one. What about starting with checking all cable connections and making sure the speaker drive screws are tight. My experience is that after some years the screws needs re-tightening, and it is important that they are. Bjørn -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
>From experience, I'd suggest you look first at your Arcam unit. Arcam tend to be nice, polite and IMO a little yawnable. -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Behringer 2496DEQ, Bel Canto DAC2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(
Yes, I am having to admit my system of TP->Arcam Solo->B&W CM2 has started(?) to sound bland, grey, flat, unmusical, muddy and plain boring. Mozart or Hendrix, it sounds like a bedside FM radio in a cheap motel (all with FLAC rips, BTW) Any ideas where to start looking for what's up? I'm thinking trying other speakers - maybe Sonus Faber, Dynaudio or PMC? -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission
Thank you Andy. -- elvinjr elvinjr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13766 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39763 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission
Interesting. Thanks Pat. -- elvinjr elvinjr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13766 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39763 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission
Hello and welcome :) The link between SlimServer and your SB is digital, and uses TCP/IP ensure that any dropped or corrupt packets are retransmitted. So the answer to your question is no, nothing gets lost in transmission. That's the beauty of digital. If your PC's CPU is too busy or your network connection drops out, then packets might get lost - but in this case playback will stop completely, so you'll be in no doubt that it's happened. Sit back and enjoy the music :) (edit: looks like Pat types a little faster than I do!) -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39763 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission
elvinjr wrote: > Was pondering the other day: with all the focus on quality of bitrates > & interconnections/cables, what is the story with the quality/integrity > of the information the SB wirelessly collects from the hard drive? > Does any information get lost in transmission? Just curious. This one is easy. Minor nit first, the SlimServer (or soon SlimCenter) pulls the bits off the hard drive and streams them out the Ethernet jack to your SB. The stream is sent using TCP/IP, which has built in error correction and retransmission. So in general, bits are never lost. In reality, with some bad WiFi setups, when the WiFi gets flakey, there can be dropouts. They can be audible. But its usually not subtle, you hear dropouts and stuttering, or its perfect. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission
Hello Audiophiles: First, thanks to all for a great education in wireless home audio. Got a SB a couple of months ago and very happy with it. Was pondering the other day: with all the focus on quality of bitrates & interconnections/cables, what is the story with the quality/integrity of the information the SB wirelessly collects from the hard drive? Does any information get lost in transmission? Just curious. Cheers. -- elvinjr elvinjr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13766 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39763 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
I'd be interested to know if you can quantify the random and data-dependent jitter that's inherent in a TOSLINK connection. The receiver I'm using, for example, specifies a pulse width distortion of up to +/- 20ns, and a random jitter that's typically 1ns but with a max of another 20ns. At 44.1kHz, the line rate on the SPDIF interface is about 5.6 MHz - the pulse width is 177ns. So, whilst the receiver isn't so bad it's going to hamper reliable data recovery (provided the transmitted signal isn't total rubbish, of course), recovering a low-jitter clock from it could be a real challenge. If you can put a figure on how much of that jitter or skew is inherent, and how much of it is down to the cheapness of the receiver, I'd love to know. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
I've got one of those £30 dvd players (for holiday travel!) - I'll try it tomorrow in a shootout with the SB3... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39684 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
Many (all?) studios would now use a house clock to lock everything. However, this wasn't always the case. The "myth" I was referring to was the assertion that optical always sounds worse than coax. IMHO that is simply not true. I have found either no discernible difference or a very slight difference/preference either way depending on the components of the system. YMMV. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
servies wrote: > Robin Bowes;238680 Wrote: >> I don't really understand what you're saying here, but it sounds like >> the tired, old "bits is bits" argument. >> >> It's not as simple as that, as has been discussed many times here on >> this forum, and on countless other forums/lists. >> >> R. > Yeah yeah I know, quantum mechanics etc. etc... No, nothing as esoteric as that. Most DACs must recover the timing information from the bitstream. If that isn't done correctly it affects the audio. I'll leave you research the issue more. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
I already sent in a support request and didn't expect it to be a warranty repair. I'm really surprised this happened as it was good on the white SB. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] upgrade advice for nad 320bee and B&W currently
morrillt;238194 Wrote: > Hello all, i am trying to figure out where to put money into my system: > > Currently > NAD 320Bee Integrated AMP ($400) > B&W 602 8 ohm bookshelf speakers. ($500) > Squeezebox v3 > > i would like to get more bass out of my speakers, also my speakers are > able to give incredibly great vocals, wondering if i would get more > bass out of a Channel Island VDA DAC, or if that would be an overkill > for my system, and if i should get a bigger amp / floorstandng > speakers? Changing the DAC is likely to make no audible difference and certainly will not give you more bass. A bigger amplifier also is unlikely to make an audible difference unless you play at fairly high levels when it just might be a little cleaner. Good 3 or 4 way speaker are likely to give you a better sound with a more extended bass. If you listen to music with deep bass then getting a powered subwoofer would seem the most obvious thing to do. However, be aware that lots of bass in untreated rooms does not always sound particularly good. -- honestguv honestguv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13734 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39679 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
AndyC_772;238566 Wrote: > I think you're over-analysing the behaviour of the TOSLINK connection, > and making comparisons that don't really apply. > > Of course if you're considering long-distance high speed > communications, then pulse spreading due to optical line width and > multiple propagation paths along the fibre are significant. But over a > few feet, running at 5.6 MHz? > > (As an aside - try looking up a data sheet for the type of high speed > comparator used as a line receiver for coax. I bet you'll find a skew, > which translates into data-dependent jitter, which is orders of > magnitude greater than any spreading due to optical effects in the > cable). > > What I do find surprising is that anybody designs a DAC that uses the > SPDIF input as a timing reference rather that merely a source of bits. > I've spent some of my spare time this year designing a DAC - based > around the AK4396 as it happens - which makes no attempt to directly > recover a clock from the SPDIF input. Incoming edges are used merely to > identify where bits start and finish so they can be sampled correctly, > nothing more. So, it's an inherent property of the design that input > jitter makes no difference at all. > > Doing this is not expensive, and I don't regard the use of a crystal > and an FPGA as "fancy". I do, however, regard the topology as "correct" > - and, fortunately for those of us with a working design with commercial > potential, "unusual". One day, all DACs will be made this way. Ah.but you are assuming that a few feet and 5-6 MHz aren't all that hard to do. Actually, the laser diodes used in the glass fibre setups do not like a few feet of fibre. Light bouncing back from the RX end does all sorts of odd things to it, at those lengths. It is not a problem of spreading, but that the spectral lines move around way too much. I call them "fancy", because most D/A boxes do not do that. They take the usual Crystal RX chiphook it up as shown in the data sheet (which was written by people as wrong as the engineers who designed it), and figure it will work. Yes, it obviously works. But how well is another matter. Since you seem to have some technical background, here is something to try: Put a audio listening device (I'll let you decide the best way) to PLL loop filter point on the RX chip. Listen to it. Then play some music and then listen to it. You may be surprised. Or sickened, possibly both. Then report to us, and let the naysayers tell you that jitter is a lot of codswallop. -- ar-t http://www.analogresearch-technology.net ar-t's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
Ok, so I talked to support. The repair will be $90. If you want that option give them a call, as you need to get an RMA. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
To clarify Sean, blowing up your Squeezebox by modding in any way is not covered under the warranty. This includes using a power supply that's not from us. You can contact support, but you will be responsible for any repair chargers, and my guess is you'll need a whole new unit anyway. You might as well just order a new one. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
Phil Leigh;238540 Wrote: > Welcome to the forum - and thanks for the gratuituous comment. I was > under the impression that "being informed" was the converse of "being > uninformed" and thus represents a binary state. Therefore, being > "grossly uninformed" makes no sense, since one cannot be less informed > than "uninformed". > > Since I didn't mention "TOSLINK" in my comment, I'm not sure what you > are taking exception to. ADAT LightPipe (for example) is a variation on > Toslink that has been in pro-use for a long time and some great > recordings have been made using it - so clearly it can't be all that > bad, can it? > > Also, no matter what your oscilloscope says, few people can reliably > distinguish optical vs. SPDIF in various systems with their actual > ears...this may well be because the DACS they are using effectively > deal with the jitter arising from both the Toslink and SPDIF > interfaces. > > My point was simply that IN PRACTICE there is little if any to choose > between them. Theory well may say otherwise...but then theory has a > poor track record compared to practice IMHO. You are the one who said it was a myth, not me. You can parse my words, but if you believe that it is a myth, then you are wrong. Misinformed, uniformed, or just plain ol' wrong: take your pick. TOSLINK and glass fibre both have problems. But for different reasons. It is possible to make a high-qulality fibre link, but few know how to do it. (They could start by reading the app notes more closely for a start.) Just because "some people" can not distinguish between the two is not the same as concluding it is a myth. Which you seem to have done. As to the "great recordings" that you refer to: how many were done that had an external clock fed to them? Anyway, there are sonic differences that can be heard. No, it does not take the most expensive system known to mankind to hear it. We have demonstrated in many times when we were in the business of selling that type of equipment. Somehow, it never hurt our sales. BTWthanks for the welcome! Pat -- ar-t http://www.analogresearch-technology.net ar-t's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
Eric Seaberg;238698 Wrote: > > > So Slim, where can I send my blown up SB3? Send it to Welborne. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
Hi Pat, Many thanks for your help! Regards, Mike -- mlihl mlihl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3376 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
I have two SB3s. One at home in my master bedroom (white version, 4-months old) driving Genelec powered monitors, and one at my studio (black version, 12-months old) SPDIF out to a Benchmark DAC1. I brought the Welborne to work and plugged it into the black SB3. BIG POP and the smell of carbon. Plugging the original wall-wart supply proves the SB3 is DEAD!! It was working before I switched out supplies and the Welborne supply worked on the white SB3 at home. So Slim, where can I send my blown up SB3? -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] how to hook 2 sets od speakers up to my system?
Ok i have 2 sets of speakers 1 set of bookshelf B&W 602 ($500) and one set of JBL s310 floorstanding huge speakers. JBL speakers have good lows but crappy highs / mids. B&w has amazing mid / highs IMO. How can i combine it so that the lows go to the JBL'S? I currently have a NAD 320BEE amp (2X50watt) and dont really listen to my music particularly loud, never over 30%... do i hook seperate amps up to each set of speakers, 2 how do i split the signal? then just unhook top 2 speakers in JBL s310s / equilizer? Bad Idea? -- morrillt morrillt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39759 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] upgrade advice for nad 320bee and B&W currently
hmm equilizer? perhaps i should get an equilizer? turn up the bass a bit? any advice on choosing one? Also i have a seperate set of jbl s310 speakers, that are floorstanders, that i paid about 300bux for 5 years ago, the mids and highs are not so good, but the lows are nice how could i hook these speakers up to my system and have just the low end diverted to them? Is that a bad idea? Apparently jbl has really good bass resonant speakers? Best -Todd -- morrillt morrillt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39679 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
AndyC_772;238637 Wrote: > > > On the technical side: typical accuracy for a quartz crystal is around > +/- 50 parts per million, with higher precision available at > exponentially increasing cost. So, if the source and DAC were > mismatched by that amount, the DAC would have to interpolate or drop > 2.2 samples per second. Audible? Probably not. Good for marketing? > Unlikely. 2.2 samples/sec. X 60 sec./ min. X 80 min. / CD = 10,760 samples dropped or interpolated over the length of a CD. 10,760 samples / 44,100 samples / sec = 0.24 sec starting delay to half fill a FIFO buffer 0.53 sec. for 96,000 samples sec. I could live with that. Bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
This has me asking, "How can the unit be shielded, especially the umbilical cord, if the unit does not have an earth ground? Also why bother with the IEC upgrade if the design does not even use a ground? -- iPhone iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
Robin Bowes;238680 Wrote: > > I don't really understand what you're saying here, but it sounds like > the tired, old "bits is bits" argument. > > It's not as simple as that, as has been discussed many times here on > this forum, and on countless other forums/lists. > > R. Yeah yeah I know, quantum mechanics etc. etc... harmonic;238675 Wrote: > All that goes right out the window when you introduce noise from lesser > powersupplys and low kvality parts. Agreed, but I just gave 1 example of how the data could come out incorrectly... -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39684 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Multichannel audio on Transporter?
Mark Lanctot;238668 Wrote: > Hmm...if you did bother to read this thread you'd see I'm Canadian. Now > I know we're seen internationally as the USA's retarded little brother > but we are still a separate country and we do have separate laws. Well, I don't: I see the USA as the retarded loudmouth little brother of Canada... > We already pay extra for blank media (originally tapes, now blank CDs > and DVDs) due to the possibility that we *may* record copyrighted > material onto it. This automatically assumes we're all guilty. Yet > recording copyrighted material is still illegal. So we're paying for > something we're not allowed to do in the first place. The same applies here except the last 2 lines. This rule is being interpreted by dutch law as giving us the right to create a copy of every CD we own or hire... > Now they want to extend this to flash drives and hard drives, but the > capacities of these are so much greater that the extra cost would be > tremendous. Imagine the royalties for the amount of material that > could fit on a 500 GB or 1 TB drive... the same was going to happen here and was being initiated by the organisation responsible for collecting copyrights, but the Dutch government shot down that initiative because the organisation couldn't produce correct figures about the money they were collecting and where it went... Go figure that... > The RIAA and MPAA exert influence worldwide and they are in the process > of getting laws changed here and in the EU. It seems that both > Canadian and EU politicians are as easily bought as American > politicians - no surprise there. Well, there's the problem that we have more than 2 parties around here and you need more than 2 parties to get a majority in the European parliament. And even if you have such a majority in the European parliament, you will still have to convince every single country of the EU... > So what goes in the USA goes worldwide, don't be so naive to think > otherwise. The US dictates how the world runs, like it or not.I'm not sure > how it's in Canada, but here in Europe it's more and more: "Nice that you're shouting your opinion but could you now shut up..." At the going rate the US will be a 3rd world country at the end of the next decade... -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39694 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Welborne Power Supply for SB3
If its from Welborne it is JUNK. I have one. Its in the storage room. Don't waste anymore time on it. And yes you are lucky you got anything at all from Welborne. He sent you a kit that was missing parts! No surprise. I bought a preamp kit. I spent over 2 months and over 30 emails and never received all the parts. If you charge the item to a credit card, send the items back and have the credit card people get your money back. They will do it. -- donwalker donwalker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39714 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
servies wrote: > zanash;238647 Wrote: >> to think that all digital sources sound the same is at least odd if not >> flying in the face of reason and in my case, experience. >> >> try this get one of those cheap multi dvd players in the uk I've seen >> them for as little as £29.99 [thats not going to break the bank] then >> feed a decent dac [not necessarily expensive] the digital output of the >> cheap dvd and a top notch cdp >> >> in my experience and others the differences are absolutely clear >> leaving no margin for indecision. >> >> As I recall this was the same argument raised about amps in the 70's >> it was wrong then and wrong now. >> >> If your unable to distinguish between digital sources the issue lies >> elsewhere and not with the digital sources. > Well, if the cheap DVD player is reading 1110110110011 iso > 1110100110011 (which it should have) because of some checks it's > not doing because of it's cheap hardware and the top notch cdp is > reading it correctly because it DOES do those checks, then you can > argue that the digital source is not the same... I don't really understand what you're saying here, but it sounds like the tired, old "bits is bits" argument. It's not as simple as that, as has been discussed many times here on this forum, and on countless other forums/lists. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
AndyC_772;238662 Wrote: > A few hours for the PSU to charge the caps...?! > > It takes a few cycles at most - a matter of milliseconds. > > Eric: as you have a multimeter, try checking to see what the output > ripple looks like: put it on AC volts and measure across the 5V output, > it should read almost zero volts. If it doesn't, you have a fault in the > PSU that's causing the output to not be stable. Yeah I thought of that. I'll attempt it later this week since I'm in the middle of dealing with SD fire issues. > If that's OK then you may have a faulty ground in your system - my guess > is between the SB3 and the speakers. Try changing the cable between them > and see if that helps. Not likely as the Genelecs have been great using the wall-wart from Slim. I'm thinking it's a ripple issue. > IIRC the original SB3 power supply isn't earthed either, so lack of an > earth in your new PSU can't be causing the problem. Even so, are you > sure the metal case shouldn't be connected to earth for safety? Or are > all the live parts double insulated? Welborne specifically states to cut back the ground wire at the strain relief and use ONLY the HOT and NEUTRAL wires. Everything inside is totally isolated from the case. I'll try a couple of things and am waiting to hear from Welborne. Thanks for the reply!! -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
servies;238661 Wrote: > Well, if the cheap DVD player is reading 1110110110011 iso > 1110100110011 (which it should have) because of some checks it's > not doing because of it's cheap hardware and the top notch cdp is > reading it correctly because it DOES do those checks, then you can > argue that the digital source is not the same... All that goes right out the wondow when you introduce noise from lesser powersupplys and low kvality parts. But hey a better transporter dossnet turn beegees into mark knofler if its that kind of improvment you are listning for only the sound will become more and more real as you strip the sound from coloration and noise. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39684 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Multichannel audio on Transporter?
Mark Lanctot;238537 Wrote: > The problem is, strictly speaking, it is illegal under the DMCA to > extract audio from DVD-A or SACD onto your PC. Much more so than CD, > and there are significant technological barriers in place to prevent > this (particularly for SACD). CD extraction fits into the grey zone of > "fair use", DVD-A and SACD never have. > > So to provide a player for illegal formats is not only a bad idea, it > may be illegal in and of itself. Just to be clear, this doesn't mean I *like* this situation, it's just that this is what the situation is. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39694 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Multichannel audio on Transporter?
servies;238639 Wrote: > Strictly speaking a lot of the people on this forum don't live in the > USA so your laws don't apply to us. So I don't care about the DMCA > As a Dutchy I even have a right to create a copy so CD extraction is > legal, DVD-A extraction is legal, SACD extraction is legal. The only > problem is that's it's still technically impossible to extract a > SACD... Hmm...if you did bother to read this thread you'd see I'm Canadian. Now I know we're seen internationally as the USA's retarded little brother but we are still a separate country and we do have separate laws. The DMCA doesn't apply here but we may very shortly have something even more draconian. We already pay extra for blank media (originally tapes, now blank CDs and DVDs) due to the possibility that we *may* record copyrighted material onto it. This automatically assumes we're all guilty. Yet recording copyrighted material is still illegal. So we're paying for something we're not allowed to do in the first place. Go figure that one out. Now they want to extend this to flash drives and hard drives, but the capacities of these are so much greater that the extra cost would be tremendous. Imagine the royalties for the amount of material that could fit on a 500 GB or 1 TB drive... The RIAA and MPAA exert influence worldwide and they are in the process of getting laws changed here and in the EU. It seems that both Canadian and EU politicians are as easily bought as American politicians - no surprise there. So what goes in the USA goes worldwide, don't be so naive to think otherwise. The US dictates how the world runs, like it or not. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39694 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
liffy99;238257 Wrote: > Recently had one of my SB3s upgraded (basic digital only) by Bolder > Cables so thought I'd share my experience. Rest of system is SB3 > digital output to Lyngdorf DAC (part of TDA2200 amp) into Martin Logan > Prodigies. I'm UK based. > > First off, and as I commented to the very helpful Wayne at Bolder, I > struggled to hear any difference at all. But three weeks later . . . . > . When you say "three weeks later" was the unit "playing" that entire time, breaking in the new hardware, or was it only on when you were listening? -- dminches dminches's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12606 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39684 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
zanash;238647 Wrote: > to think that all digital sources sound the same is at least odd if not > flying in the face of reason and in my case, experience. > > try this get one of those cheap multi dvd players in the uk I've seen > them for as little as £29.99 [thats not going to break the bank] then > feed a decent dac [not necessarily expensive] the digital output of the > cheap dvd and a top notch cdp > > in my experience and others the differences are absolutely clear > leaving no margin for indecision. > > As I recall this was the same argument raised about amps in the 70's > it was wrong then and wrong now. > > If your unable to distinguish between digital sources the issue lies > elsewhere and not with the digital sources. Well, if the cheap DVD player is reading 1110110110011 iso 1110100110011 (which it should have) because of some checks it's not doing because of it's cheap hardware and the top notch cdp is reading it correctly because it DOES do those checks, then you can argue that the digital source is not the same... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39684 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
A few hours for the PSU to charge the caps...?! It takes a few cycles at most - a matter of milliseconds. Eric: as you have a multimeter, try checking to see what the output ripple looks like: put it on AC volts and measure across the 5V output, it should read almost zero volts. If it doesn't, you have a fault in the PSU that's causing the output to not be stable. If that's OK then you may have a faulty ground in your system - my guess is between the SB3 and the speakers. Try changing the cable between them and see if that helps. IIRC the original SB3 power supply isn't earthed either, so lack of an earth in your new PSU can't be causing the problem. Even so, are you sure the metal case shouldn't be connected to earth for safety? Or are all the live parts double insulated? -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
to think that all digital sources sound the same is at least odd if not flying in the face of reason and in my case, experience. try this get one of those cheap multi dvd players in the uk I've seen them for as little as £29.99 [thats not going to break the bank] then feed a decent dac [not necessarily expensive] the digital output of the cheap dvd and a top notch cdp in my experience and others the differences are absolutely clear leaving no margin for indecision. As I recall this was the same argument raised about amps in the 70's it was wrong then and wrong now. If your unable to distinguish between digital sources the issue lies elsewhere and not with the digital sources. -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39684 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply
I expect that the power cable is used on kit that has an earth. Also the cable may shunt mains bournor emi/rfi goop back to the earth at the wall. I'd wait a few hours for the psu to charge the caps rather than make a snap decision does the new psu sound different to the supplied one ? I took a look at the units a while ago and thought they seemed a little small .I've done some experimenting with psu recently and the bigger the transformer the better the sb3 resolution [imo] -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33443 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods
opaqueice wrote: > Robin Bowes;238491 Wrote: >> I sometimes wish those of you who are so quick to jump down peoples' >> throats would take a chill pill and consider that maybe, just maybe >> there may be some truth in these reports. >> > > No one doubts the reports have some truth to them - in fact I'm sure > they are absolutely correct. > > The question is whether the change is in the sound waves emanating from > the speakers or is confined to the space between the listener's ears. No, it's not; that's *your* question. > I really don't understand why that second possibility is regarded with > such horror by audiophiles, why so many are so certain it can't be, and > therefore that their findings must apply to everyone else. (The OP of > this thread was very reasonable and didn't fall into that trap.) And conversely, I don't understand why you insist on pushing your "all digital sources are same" down everybody's throats. They're not. And the differences are not always noticeable in short-term comparison testing. I really don't understand you regard this possibility with such horror. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Multichannel audio on Transporter?
Mark Lanctot;238537 Wrote: > The problem is, strictly speaking, it is illegal under the DMCA to > extract audio from DVD-A or SACD onto your PC. Much more so than CD, > and there are significant technological barriers in place to prevent > this (particularly for SACD). CD extraction fits into the grey zone of > "fair use", DVD-A and SACD never have. > Strictly speaking a lot of the people on this forum don't live in the USA so your laws don't apply to us. So I don't care about the DMCA As a Dutchy I even have a right to create a copy so CD extraction is legal, DVD-A extraction is legal, SACD extraction is legal. The only problem is that's it's still technically impossible to extract a SACD... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39694 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
