Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 1000 Posts and Counting...
Great job guys, can't really say it any better than the OP =) Thanks for creating the transporter btw, i'll never be without one again. -- xand1x Onkyo SE-90 --> Slim Devices Transporter (Black) --> First Watt F1 --> AKG K1000 xand1x's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42900 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
I assume then that you advocate the self grounding regime for sb3 users ? as that unit does not have an earth conection as an aside fortunately were not afflicted by carpet anymore due to static allergies dust retention etc once removed my wife cough got better and the hifi sounds better as we had sound barrier foam fitted under the laminate flooring -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 1000 Posts and Counting...
its great to have a forum where you can post your thought how ever off the wall with out get abused ! -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42900 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 1000 Posts and Counting...
And thank you so much for your great contribution to our community! All the best, -dean (and the rest of your friends and Slim Devices and Logitech) -- dean dean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42900 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192-320 kbps mp3s vs. FLAC on SB3 w/o Upgrades
You're probably right. I forgot that good old mp3 - unlike newer lossy codecs - only supports sampling rates up to 48 khz. -- kai kai's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6608 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42652 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Receiver vs SB3
mauidj wrote: > Does anyone have any info on the audible differences between the new > Receiver and the SB3? > I understand they use different DACs. > I will be using it in a stock configuration in a mid audiophile > set-up.no external DAC or upgraded PS. I would expect nothing audible on a mid-level system. Or if audible, nothing clearly better or worse. Sean said its different, but not to be cheaper or worse, the receiver's no-display changed some voltages internally, which lead to the different DAC -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 1000 Posts and Counting...
I had an idea to start this thread a couple days ago when I was at 998 posts, but I guess I forgot, because this post will actually be 1004 for me. Anyway, looking back the last couple of years, it's hard for me to believe I actually had that many posts here. Some of you have many more than I do, of course. So, here's a thread that when you reach this magic number, you can post your thoughts/reflections/fondest memories or just gloat (if you really want to). This is really one of the best forums and best online communities around, and that's doubly impressive because it's hosted by a private (but clearly charitable) company. I'd like to personally thank all the good folks who make the branch of Logitech called Slim Devices that we have all come to know and love. Your products I cannot live without, and that now includes the SBC and SBR, new members of your product family and mine, too. Keep up the great work. I pledge to keep contributing as long as I can. -- ezkcdude There are 10 kind of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. SHINYMETAL '*Site*' (http://www.ezdiyaudio.com)| '*RSS*' (http://www2.kumc.edu/students/ezamir/rss/ezdiyaudio.xml) |'*Forum*' (http://ezdiyaudio.informe.com) ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42900 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Receiver vs SB3
Does anyone have any info on the audible differences between the new Receiver and the SB3? I understand they use different DACs. I will be using it in a stock configuration in a mid audiophile set-up.no external DAC or upgraded PS. Many mahalos. -- mauidj Oracle Delphi/SME IV/Dynavector, SB3, Krell EVO-555, Krell EVO-202, Krell EVO-402, B&W 801-Matrix3. Music all the way! mauidj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7648 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42899 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Are there any UPNP music servers that handle large libraries gracefully? The ones I experimented with a couple of years ago started to choke around 10-20k tracks. I haven't looked into any recent offerings that may be improved in terms of performance. -- twylie Thecus N5200 -> transporter -> Krell KRC2 -> nuforce 8b -> Sonus Faber Concertos / Audio Physic Sparks twylie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=956 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
netim3;264157 Wrote: > The Linn DS is based on UPnP, a totally open standard. It doesn't > dictate what server software you use, what control device/remote you > use, what NAS you use, what amp you use, or anything else for that > matter. You get the "full benefit" by pairing it with whatever you > want to. > "The Transporter is based on slimproto, a totally open standard. It doesn't dictate what server software you use, what control device/remote you use, what NAS you use, what amp you use, or anything else for that matter. You get the "full benefit" by pairing it with whatever you want to. " Seriously - slimproto is open, you can use whatever slimproto compatible server you want. Obviously, there's a clear choice there but I can think of at least 2 other implementations which exist. Likewise, the Linn will work with any upnp server, of which there are a limited (but larger) number available. I can control my Transporter with my remote (included!), SBC, iPhone, PDA (via Telcanto), Nokia 800, PSP, Wii and every other web enabled device I own. As for NAS selection, there may be a few more which can run upnp vs slimserver, but it's by no means "any" NAS. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] B&W 802D Speakers. Tempted.
Andrew B.;263897 Wrote: > Sorry Guy, I have to pick you up on this. Perhaps you are confusing > mixing with mastering. I have never seen or heard of anyone mastering > on headphones. Occasionally people may mix or mix-check on headphones. > But mastering is a very separate and serious discipline, carried out in > highly refined audio environments (lots of acoustic treatment, minimal > equipment and distractions, built for the task) on FULL RANGE > LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEMS. > Andrew You are right Andrew, headphones separate stereo very differently than monitors and in a mastering session what you want to trust among other characteristics is the sound separation in space, but headphones are still used to catch errors in timing/notes and tweak noise levels; even if its occasionally they become part of the process, I never mentioned they were the primary tools for this task. Im sorry if I offended any B&W owner, and I repeat that I dot believe theyre bad or that they dont do R&D but we all know they also do a lot of PR and Marketing, and I believe that when an audio company spends so much in that, a big portion of the value of your purchase object is just that and people feel good owning that. Bose and B&O are other great examples of those type of companies and Im sure we are more opinionated on this brands since they dont target the ultra small niche of the hifi world, we dont see their ads in the audiophile magazines therefore we believe they dont belong there. Image building and product targeting go a very long way in the psyche of buyers, and by common sense I cannot trust so much in the performance value of what this corporate companies offer. Check out this link of an easy article I read a few weeks ago, its not directly related to audio but im sure you can find many coincidences with the practice of our hobby. Let me know what you think... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7187577.stm -- GuyDebord Reference3A Royal Master monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata 5 sub. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, ASR MiniBasis SQ preamp, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) & van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Deutsche Grammophon
Robin, Thanks! dg [at] freshdigital.co.uk is what I used (got a friendly reply there), but maybe I should sent it to the other one as well. Anyway, I wanted forum members to have a look at the site ;-) It's worth it. BR, Kai -- kai kai's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6608 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42883 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;264078 Wrote: > > > The DS locks you into a Linn proprietary architecture > You have to use all Linn products to get the full benefit... That's not > open architecture to me. > > Harald N The Linn DS is based on UPnP, a totally open standard. It doesn't dictate what server software you use, what control device/remote you use, what NAS you use, what amp you use, or anything else for that matter. You get the "full benefit" by pairing it with whatever you want to. By way of contrast, if I want to control a Squeezebox, I have to run Squeezecenter as my server - more restrictive, but perfectly acceptable given the power & flexibility of the server software. Now, what I want is a UPnP plugin to squeezecenter 7 so that I can control a DS using the new Duet controller. That way I'll be getting the full benefit of the DS (plugged into my existing amp & speakers in my lounge) and of my squeezeboxes elsewhere in the house, all with a single server/control setup. Such a plugin could allow Squeezecenter to control other UPnP receivers(audio, video, whatever) on the market, giving users a choice of hardware to complement the Squeezebox and Transporter. Obviosuly not a priority for Logitech themselves (who make money selling the Squeezeboxes), but perhaps for somebody obsessed with open architecture? Anyone want to build me one (I lack the skills to do so myself)? -- netim3 netim3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] B&W 802D Speakers. Tempted.
Phil Leigh;263952 Wrote: > Andrew - the Linn and Naim labels use their own speakers...and their CD > sound quality is generally accepted as top notch. I was assuming that was the case - and also discounting it as a special case (a rather biased endorsement). The reason for the high technical quality of the Linn and Naim recordings (I own several of each, not least since I am a former Naimee) is the recording techniques used and the lack of "squashing" compression applied to the master buss, so that the music still has proper dynamics. I don't think this has much to do with their choice of mastering speakers. Andrew -- Andrew B. = SB3-> Benchmark DAC1 -> ATC CA2 pre -> ATC SCM50ASL active speakers... nice! Andrew B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
Phil Leigh;264102 Wrote: > I'm not falling for your Maple Knob. It wooden make any difference... LOL, very nice -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
tomjtx;264105 Wrote: > I wonder which is better in a street fight. > The TP is lighter but likely easier to swing. > > The weight of the Linn might make it harder to aim. > > The Linn might be less likely to be used by a female in a domestic > squabble but does that really justify it's price? > > Ivor, scotch swilling chauvinist that he is, may have had that in mind > in designing the Linn :-) I'll take on anyone with my 5101 Remote! :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I wonder which is better in a street fight. The TP is lighter but likely easier to swing. The weight of the Linn might make it harder to aim. The Linn might be less likely to be used by a female in a domestic squabble but does that really justify it's price? Ivor, scotch swilling chauvinist that he is, may have had that in mind in designing the Linn :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
tomjtx;264099 Wrote: > Shouldn't this problem be moot. > After all it's long been known you should never touch the TP, always > use the remote. > > Body oils have a negative reaction at the quantum level to the TP even > if only touched on the chassis, let alone the knob! > > Touching will create negative quantum energy which can only be > ameliorated by bybee quantum purifiers. > > And replacing the TP knob with a Maple knob. > > I have all this for sale, BTW. PM if interested. I'm not falling for your Maple Knob. It wooden make any difference... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
Shouldn't this problem be moot. After all it's long been known you should never touch the TP, always use the remote. Body oils have a negative reaction at the quantum level to the TP even if only touched on the chassis, let alone the knob! Touching will create negative quantum energy which can only be ameliorated by bybee quantum purifiers. And replacing the TP knob with a Maple knob. I have all this for sale, BTW. PM if interested. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
I didn't change my position, I just realized that I was a bit unclear, (say incorrect if you will :-D) in my first statements. Regards Harald N :-D -- haraldo haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;264078 Wrote: > You are proving my point yourself > > The DS locks you into a Linn proprietary architecture > You have to use all Linn products to get the full benefit... That's not > open architecture to me. > No it doesn't - its no different to any CD player! It will work with any system on the planet... haraldo;264078 Wrote: > > I have made my opinion and I'm not going to discuss this anymore. > OK haraldo;264078 Wrote: > > Linn is indeed a reputable company, but that doesn't mean all their > products are sound, future proof and based on an open architecture. > I never said they are! haraldo;264078 Wrote: > > I have the right to have my opinion and I don't expect people to agree > with me, and it's fine if people disagree, but to say that I don't get > the point is way out of line. > I'll leave that to others to decide... haraldo;264078 Wrote: > > BTW I don't think it's a crappy product, but it's lacking in options > and provides for a crappy price/performance ratio. > I agree it's lacking in options compared to a Transporter, but it's NOT trying to compete with a Transporter! And you can't have an opinion about it's price/performance ratio until you've heard it. It's like that Ferrari... In which case, why post this: "This is a crap product that doesn't live up to what consumers deserve today, although it looks very nice." Clearly you have changed your position somewhat? Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
You are proving my point yourself The DS locks you into a Linn proprietary architecture You have to use all Linn products to get the full benefit... That's not open architecture to me. If that's what you want fine I'm just not buying it and I'm very sceptical... What do you do if you want to use a 4 way digital crossover? I guess you need to buy an expensive controller (preamp), but the controller only has a digital loop, how do you control this? I think this provides for a messy architecture, not consumer oriented, in my mind at all. How are your wife and kids going to operate this if you have two preamps, a couple of players (The kids want a CD player too and they must have their Ipod connedted to the rig) and a set of extra boxes to cater for the 4 way digital x-over? And you want the Ipod connected in the digital domain by a way of, say, a Wadia dock... I have made my opinion and I'm not going to discuss this anymore. Linn is indeed a reputable company, but that doesn't mean all their products are sound, future proof and based on an open architecture. I have the right to have my opinion and I don't expect people to agree with me, and it's fine if people disagree, but to say that I don't get the point is way out of line. BTW I don't think it's a crappy product, but it's lacking in options and provides for a crappy price/performance ratio. Regards Harald N -- haraldo haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Robin Bowes;264053 Wrote: > Phil Leigh wrote: > > tomjtx;264035 Wrote: > >> go get'em haraldo. > >> > >> great post. > > > > So I see that reasoned argument is out of the question :o) > > C'mon Phil, this is the *audiophile* forum. :) > > R. Yeah - I know, but I'm a persistent chap :o) and I have a massive sense of humour! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Deutsche Grammophon
gharris999 wrote: > How about a mailto link? Take your pick: From "Customer Servive" when browsing the catalog: dg [at] freshdigital.co.uk From the DG contact page: contact [at] deutschegrammophon.com R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Phil Leigh wrote: > tomjtx;264035 Wrote: >> go get'em haraldo. >> >> great post. > > So I see that reasoned argument is out of the question :o) C'mon Phil, this is the *audiophile* forum. :) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
haraldo;264047 Wrote: > quote: it's intended to be part of a top-end Linn system > > This is really great > You buy an insanely expensive player, and it's so incredibly inflexible > that you are forced to use it with the rest of the similarly priced Linn > Klimax range > > This really provides nice choices to the consumers > > So how do you go about if Linn introduces a $35.000 DSP based room > correction that may be added to the DS, you don't have a choice. > > With a transporter or another player with a sound architecture you have > all the choices in the world. > > I am scared if a high-end niche player says jump, and many of us follow > them and jump. > > I refer to what a high-end dealer in Norway told me: > We sell a lot of high-end products with extremely flashy looks, you may > do way better if you buy something cheaper but it won't look as good, > that's why we're providing alternative casings to some of the cheaper > products. > We have customers that want something that sounds good but looks much > better. > > That's not my words, but a high-end dealer words > > I'm not missing any points. I'm just advising against blindly following > the advice of reviewers and high-end "pushers". > > Paying $15000 for looks and $5000 for performance is fine, just don't > expect it to provide high performance per bucks. > > Regards > > Harald N Sadly you are still missing the point. Exactly which part of this don't you get: 1) the DS is a source not a pre-amp/controller 2) It's intended to be used with a controller that has all the features needed for digital RC if you wan't to use digital RC. My 8-year old Linn 5103 controller has a digital loop that can drive my TACT 2.2x - what's the problem? 3) Value is perceived by the purchaser. Is a Ferrari worth the money - no. Is a Rolex worth the money - no. If you bought either, would you care if it was worth the money or not...NO! You didn't buy it for value-for-money reasons. You bought it because you wanted it and could afford it. Nothing else matters. 4) Linn is a niche top-end vendor - they aren't trying to force anything on anyone in their market or any other market. 5) What Linn says or does will not affect directly anyone other than the 0.001% of the market that buys their products. 6) WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? - and stop paying too much credence to dealers (or manufacturers) - they are ONLY there to make money out of you. Business is business. 6) There is no 6 Regards Phil (feeling a small migraine starting to bloom) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
Phil Leigh;264041 Wrote: > erm...surely the case is grounded (connected to mains earth)? I've never > seen properly grounded equipment display this behaviour with ESD, but if > the ground connection isn't good/there... > (I guess the TP knob might be a special case?) The chassis is grounded, and my 3 prong outlets are properly grounded. I think the knob may not be directly mounted to the chassis (or maybe the mount doesn't couple the ground), so the ESD travels through the knob to the internal components on it's way to ground. John -- 2eleven 2eleven's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
quote: it's intended to be part of a top-end Linn system This is really great You buy an insanely expensive player, and it's so incredibly inflexible that you are forced to use it with the rest of the similarly priced Linn Klimax range This really provides nice choices to the consumers So how do you go about if Linn introduces a $35.000 DSP based room correction that may be added to the DS, you don't have a choice. With a transporter or another player with a sound architecture you have all the choices in the world. I am scared if a high-end niche player says jump, and many of us follow them and jump. I refer to what a high-end dealer in Norway told me: We sell a lot of high-end products with extremely flashy looks, you may do way better if you buy something cheaper but it won't look as good, that's why we're providing alternative casings to some of the cheaper products. We have customers that want something that sounds good but looks much better. That's not my words, but a high-end dealer words I'm not missing any points. I'm just advising against blindly following the advice of reviewers and high-end "pushers". Paying $15000 for looks and $5000 for performance is fine, just don't expect it to provide high performance per bucks. Regards Harald N -- haraldo haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
tomjtx;264042 Wrote: > Cannot reasoned argument and fun ranting coexist? :-) Oh OK then if you must! :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
erm...surely the case is grounded (connected to mains earth)? I've never seen properly grounded equipment display this behaviour with ESD, but if the ground connection isn't good/there... (I guess the TP knob might be a special case?) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Phil Leigh;264038 Wrote: > So I see that reasoned argument is out of the question :o) Cannot reasoned argument and fun ranting coexist? :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
tomjtx;264035 Wrote: > go get'em haraldo. > > great post. So I see that reasoned argument is out of the question :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
go get'em haraldo. great post. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] firmware update for TP
Thanks for the help. -- Shredder Shredder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11380 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
You are completely missing the point of the product: 1) Most Linn gear is expensive..some is overpriced but their target market can generally afford it. 2) This is not supposed to be a standalone player like the SB - it's intended to be part of a top-end Linn system, which would include a system controller like the Kisto or Kinos with all the digital in/outs you'd ever need + a digital loop (even my ageing 5103 can do this!) for room correction. 3)Linn don't do a remote for the DS...they expect you to use a wi-fi PC/Tablet/Phone/whatever... that's a valid choice. Lots of people NEVER touch the SB remote 4) I'm not surprised they don't support mp3 - that would fly in the face of their market positioning as a provider of high-rez FLAC/WAV xource material. I don't want to sound like a Linn apologist - I'm not about to buy a DS as I can't afford it and don't want or need it - I have my SB+DAC... I think that it is only good for the SB/TP market if Linn etc put a statement product into the market place. It establishes the high-end credibility of the concept. Might I humbly suggest you do some research before launching into an emotional rant about a product you don't need anyway. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192-320 kbps mp3s vs. FLAC on SB3 w/o Upgrades
kai;263999 Wrote: > I'd expect that a 96 khz FLAC converted to 320 kbps mp3 might sound even > better than converted to an 48 khz FLAC, but I never tried. Thus 320 > kbps mp3 might be an option to play your HD audio files on an SB3. This is about as unlikely as things get...but please try it and report back, -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42652 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] firmware update for TP
Yep, I'm using firmware 33 with 6.5.4 OK. Download the latest nightly 7.0 build and extract the 'transporter_33.bin' file to the ..\firmware directory where slimserver is installed. Edit the transporter.version file to read - # Transporter firmware # # fromto # from1..from2 to 1..33 33 # future versions may be downgraded to this one * 33 Press and hold brightness on the remote to force the upgrade. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
After reading the German review ref'd earlier in this discussion In my view, The Linn Klimax DS looks like a seriously flawed product, the architecture is a far cry from what you would expect from a statement product today. There's no remote included, I have never heard about a player for the last 20 years that does not inclue a remote... seriously? You have to pay extra for a remote to a 15.000 product There's no digital in/out, this strongly compromises the flexibility of the player, although it would be madness to use an external dac, but restrictions imply You cannot add DSP based room correction in any way, ever. PERIOD. - You cannot ever create an active system with digital X-overs ever. PERIOD. - What if you have a CD player that you want to use, there's no digital in, sorry ! No MP3 support whatsoever! Even if I only use flac, the ubiquitous mp3 will always be there, and I guess everybody also got something in mp3 format. It would be nice to use only one single player Not so with the Scottish products. You have to use another player, or convert the mp3's. Not a big thing, but a network player without mp3 support !!! At 7.5 times the price of the Transporter, it hardly betters the performance And the Transporter is much much much more flexible (I reckon in the US, the price difference will be even more) I only wish the transporter would support 192KHz / 24 bit. I would never ever consider the Linn, even if I had a million dollars, it's just a couple of $10 DAC's in an insanely expensive inflexible packaging This is a crap product that doesn't live up to what consumers deserve today, although it looks very nice. You could hire a mechanical engineer to create a titanium chassis (or what about pure gold) in one single block for the transporter, and have something that looks better? and still being way cheaper Regards Harald N -- haraldo haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter paired with Squeezebox Controller
ModelCitizen;263869 Wrote: > No that would play every track in the genre. I am used to navigating to > a genre and picking an album that is tagged with that genre... "ah.. I > feel like some Choral Music at the moment, which album shall I play..." > that sort of thing... > > Have a look at your player to see what I mean "All Albums" > > MC That's exactly how I'm selecting my music these days with the web interface. It would be REAL nice to see that implemented in the jive ui. -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Deutsche Grammophon
How about a mailto link? -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42883 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
zanash;263910 Wrote: > how about grounding the chassis of the unit to earth ? It is already, or at least it should be. It would be a good thing to check that the ground pin on your wall outlet is properly wired. The idea with touching the chassis first instead of the knob is that it will have the shortest possible path to ground, and thereby be less likely to travel through any electronics. Also I just realized that since the chassis is anodized, the only place where you could get a proper path to ground would be on the steel handles. > or even the carpet ? Probably there is not much you can do there, short of replacing the whole carpet. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192-320 kbps mp3s vs. FLAC on SB3 w/o Upgrades
kai wrote: > I'd expect that a 96 khz FLAC converted to 320 kbps mp3 might sound even > better than converted to an 48 khz FLAC, but I never tried. Thus 320 > kbps mp3 might be an option to play your HD audio files on an SB3. Er, why? R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter paired with Squeezebox Controller
gsawdy;263992 Wrote: > Ths SBC may not tell the device what to do, but doesn't it require the > device to receive the RF signal and transmit it to SqueezeCenter? This > is a question as I'm confused as to how it works. Given this > discription of the SBC, can someone please explain and compare how the > SBC is different from using the PSP or Nokia 800? Are all the same > speed? I have neither but I think the Nokia/PSP interfaces have an > alphabet screen. > The SBC requires a wireless RF connection... which can either be through an existing home wireless network, or directly to the SBR itself. So you will either need an SBR or a wireless accesspoint/router. The SBC should be faster than the Nokia or PSP... since it isnt using HTML, but talking directly to the server. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
2eleven;263827 Wrote: > The ESD training at my company makes it seem like doomsday if > electronics are subjected to sparks... > > Thanks, > > John Hello John, ESD is mainly a concern of ICs/circuit boards that are uninstalled or being handled. Most ICs once installed in equipment only need to worry about a nuclear blast (EMP) or lightening. My Media Room is in the basement which is carpeted. We have a whole house dehumidifier that never lets the humidity get above 35%. With the heat running in the winter, humidity gets well below 20% (lots of static) so anybody walking in the basement is in for a shock when touching any light switch or home electronics. I installed an ESD Static Strap plug-in (I am an RF Engineer, so I had one laying about) beside my In-Wall equipment shelves. I touch the female banana inlet to discharge the built up static before touching any of my equipment. This is not really to safeguard the equipment but more of a time saver for me. The main thing that happens if I touch equipment first is that my HT Processor will turn on or any equipment with a clock or memory setting resets to zero or their default. Then I have to reset the time and reprogram my components. The equipment in the living room is on a metal Stand Design equipment rack. I have grounded the rack, so I touch it first. Again this is only a time saver. As long as your equipment is not open so that you could touch ICs directly, finished consumer equipment is fairly immune to personal static discharge. You could touch a wall switch or outlet screw below touching your gear. The easiest thing to do is touch your amp first because most amps have a 3 prong plug on them. ZAP!, youre discharged with no Transporter issues. -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: Squeezebox 3, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry DA10 DAC: Subjective Impressions and Listening Tests (Long)
Isn't this the infamous DAC with the generic internal switching power supply? -- crooner Customized dual chassis "Super Squeezebox" EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Marantz 10B tube FM tuner Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42797 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Deutsche Grammophon
Some might already have noticed that Deutsche Grammophon (www.deutschegrammophon.com) opened its own online download shop and is now selling more than 2500 albums of which more than 600 are not even available on disc any longer. The music comes in DRM-free 320 kbps mp3 and includes the booklet as PDF. While this is probably the greatest download resource for classical music up to now, there seems to be one thing missing: FLAC. However Deutsche Grammophon seems to think about this option. If you would prefer to buy FLACs (if possible even in 88.2/96khz) you might want to send them an email showing your demand. Best regards, Kai -- kai kai's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6608 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42883 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] firmware update for TP
Hey. My TP makes an ugly, loud, and potentially destructive pop when I try to use the digital inputs. As I learned in a related post, that problem was solved w/firmware ver. 33. Unfortunately, I am only running 31. I was told that I need to run SS/SC 7.0 to update the firmware. However, I am currently running 6.5.4 and 7.0 will not work on my Thecus NAS until 7.0 is formally released and someone is kind enough to build a module that allows me to install it on the NAS. Anyway, is there another way to update the firmware prior to installing 7.0? Thanks. -- Shredder Shredder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11380 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42882 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 192-320 kbps mp3s vs. FLAC on SB3 w/o Upgrades
I'd expect that a 96 khz FLAC converted to 320 kbps mp3 might sound even better than converted to an 48 khz FLAC, but I never tried. Thus 320 kbps mp3 might be an option to play your HD audio files on an SB3. -- kai kai's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6608 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42652 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter paired with Squeezebox Controller
snarlydwarf;262871 Wrote: > > The SB Controller works with any device that talks to SqueezeCenter > (ie, even SliMP3's and SB1's) since it tells the server what to do, not > the device. So no need for a transporter-specific version, the SBC > works fine with the transporter. > > ... If you don't, then perhaps that it is RF not IR would be a bonus. Ths SBC may not tell the device what to do, but doesn't it require the device to receive the RF signal and transmit it to SqueezeCenter? This is a question as I'm confused as to how it works. Given this discription of the SBC, can someone please explain and compare how the SBC is different from using the PSP or Nokia 800? Are all the same speed? I have neither but I think the Nokia/PSP interfaces have an alphabet screen. Thanks, George -- gsawdy gsawdy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14330 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42761 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry DA10 DAC: Subjective Impressions and Listening Tests (Long)
Andrew B. wrote: > 5. The Lavry doesn't have the armor-piercing blue LED that Benchmark > put on the front of their DAC1 (and that I had to cover with a piece of > black tape!). I hate that LED, did the same thing on my DAC-1 Even worse is the red one for errors. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] B&W 802D Speakers. Tempted.
You may have already considered unbox speakersBut if you haven't, you should definitely try to listen to the Martin-Logan Summits. I would also suggest you try to find a local owner of the Orions. http://www.linkwitzlab.com/orion_us.htm You can sign up and post a request to audition on the Orion User Group Board: http://orion.quicksytes.com/viewforum.php?f=1 I am currently building a pair of the Orion/Thors and expecting this will be my last speaker. Happy searching. George -- gsawdy gsawdy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14330 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] B&W 802D Speakers. Tempted.
Andrew B.;263897 Wrote: > Sorry Guy, I have to pick you up on this. Perhaps you are confusing > mixing with mastering. I have never seen or heard of anyone mastering > on headphones. Occasionally people may mix or mix-check on headphones. > But mastering is a very separate and serious discipline, carried out in > highly refined audio environments (lots of acoustic treatment, minimal > equipment and distractions, built for the task) on FULL RANGE > LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEMS. > > Mastering is instructive for hifi hobbyists since it is a closer > approximation (than mixing) to what they might want to achieve with > their own systems. The first lesson from mastering should probably be > the importance of improving the listening room environment rather than > fiddling with cables and power leads! The speakers used for mastering > are often those available at the high end of consumer audio: the big > B&Ws, ATCs, PMCs, Tannoys, Eggleston (I have never heard of a mastering > studio using Linn or Naim but I concede that it is possible). Sometimes > these are actively driven and sometimes passively with expensive hi-fi > type amps made by people like Bryston, Chord and Pass Labs. > > B&W 8xx series are serious speakers and 802s are used for mastering for > reasons other than simply the brand name. I agree that they may not be > the best value, particularly when combined with a suitably powerful > amp, which is why I often suggest people listen to the active ATCs as > an alternative. > > Andrew Andrew - the Linn and Naim labels use their own speakers...and their CD sound quality is generally accepted as top notch. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best sound possible
adamslim;263918 Wrote: > I thought that kind of thing was restricted to the Audio Circle :) Actually, AC is a much friendlier forum ;-) -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] B&W 802D Speakers. Tempted.
GuyDebord;263886 Wrote: > Dont get me wrong, B&W are not bad speakers, but they spend a lot of > their budget in heavy branding campaigns which the majority swallow. > Lets say they are not the best in the ratio of what you get for the > money, Almost all the time I discover how much better are smaller and > less known audio companies, this is why I prefer them. > > A lot of the value you get with the likes of B&W is the value of the > BRAND, which is the same seducer that makes people grab Louis Vuitton's > instead of others... Like Andrew, I think you're being a bit harsh here. Sure B&W spend a lot on brand advertising, but this is a rational business decision - it sells speakers. Their business model is to ensure high sales so they can spend money on R&D and get economies of scale. This is different from my speaker manufacturer's, which is lower volume and lower advertising, but there's nothing wrong with B&W. Comparing them to Louis Vuitton is disingenuous - fashion brands deliberately price high to become exclusive, and make obscene per item profits. B&W do loads of R&D and produce a product that is at the leading edge of the market. You may not like it, but all those studios would not use it for mastering if it were not good enough, even if they got it for free. So to the OP: pay attention to all the specific recommendations, and spend time listening, as speakers have a big influence on the character of the sound and it's all very personal, but if you prefer the 802Ds you'll have a great speaker. Not as good as my OBX-R2, obviously... ;) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best sound possible
hshrader;263878 Wrote: > I need no beating. Thanks for unequivocal clarification. > > Hans LOL :) Welcome to the forum Hans. I've not been around here too much recently, but it seems in my absence some initiation rites have been set up! I thought that kind of thing was restricted to the Audio Circle :) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best sound possible
hshrader;263789 Wrote: > If the PC (specifically the XP K-mixer DLL) is not forced to do > sample-rate conversion, it can maintain bit-transparent operations. > This implies that if it does sample rate-conversion you dont get > bit-transparent operations. You can use external converters or up/down samplers (e.g. Inguz plug-in, APE decoder, flac, sox, etc) with SlimServer if you want. Check Settings -> Advanced -> File Types. (What is Windows equivalent of convert.conf, BTW?) But unless specifically tweaked or asked no Windows audio libs are used. -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42867 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Static spark to transporter knob and displays whacked out
how about grounding the chassis of the unit to earth ? or even the carpet ? interesting notion -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42869 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] B&W 802D Speakers. Tempted.
GuyDebord;263886 Wrote: > > [...] > > The truth of the matter is that a lot of mastering is done in a lot of > parlance sources including headphones; you said it yourself, Spendor, > ATC, Linn and I can add AE's, Dynaudio, Tannoy and so many non > "audiophile" brands, plus double the variety in selecting passive or > active monitors. And lets not forget that normally professional > monitors cost less than many high-end audiophile monitors. > > [...] Sorry Guy, I have to pick you up on this. Perhaps you are confusing mixing with mastering. I have never seen or heard of anyone mastering on headphones. Occasionally people may mix or mix-check on headphones. But mastering is a very separate and serious discipline, carried out in highly refined audio environments (lots of acoustic treatment, minimal equipment and distractions, built for the task) on FULL RANGE LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEMS. Mastering is instructive for hifi hobbyists since it is a closer approximation (than mixing) to what they might want to achieve with their own systems. The first lesson from mastering should probably be the importance of improving the listening room environment rather than fiddling with cables and power leads! The speakers used for mastering are often those available at the high end of consumer audio: the big B&Ws, ATCs, PMCs, Tannoys, Eggleston (I have never heard of a mastering studio using Linn or Naim but I concede that it is possible). Sometimes these are actively driven and sometimes passively with expensive hi-fi type amps made by people like Bryston, Chord and Pass Labs. B&W 8xx series are serious speakers and 802s are used for mastering for reasons other than simply the brand name. I agree that they may not be the best value, particularly when combined with a suitably powerful amp, which is why I often suggest people listen to the active ATCs as an alternative. Andrew -- Andrew B. = SB3-> Benchmark DAC1 -> ATC CA2 pre -> ATC SCM50ASL active speakers... nice! Andrew B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry DA10 DAC: Subjective Impressions and Listening Tests (Long)
I own and use both the Lavry DA10 and the Benchmark DAC1. They are very close in performance (both are very good). Close enough that you could probably choose between them on the basis of features - and I have evaluated them through two fairly critical systems with accurate active monitor speakers. Positives for the Benchmark over the Lavry, in order of importance to ME: 1. You can mute the main output on the BM while still having control over the headphone volume (with the Lavry you need to physically turn off the speakers/ amps if you want to do headphone-only monitoring) 2. The BM has standard RCA phono plug outputs as well as XLR outputs - this is useful flexibility meaning it can be used either as a preamp direct to the monitors (with XLR) or via a conventional consumer preamp (over the RCAs) 3. Analog volume control knob on the BM is nicer to interact with than the Lavry's click thing (but less accurate in setting a repeatable level) 4. Two headphone outputs on the BM rather than one on the Lavry can be useful. Positives for the Lavry over the BM, in order of importance to me: 1. Sound quality is marginally better/ more refined (but you would need a good room and better speakers to tell the difference). 2. Digital volume readout is helpful for mixing and pre-mastering to ensure that I work at consistent volume levels. 3. Front panel display of sample rate has proved useful in eliminating a problem with the digital input setup (some hidden resampling that was going on to a signal leaving a PC). 4. Front panel mono switch can be useful in checking for mono compatibility of mixes (but the stupid inverted polarity state annoys me every time I look over there - why didn't Dan go with pin 2 hot like the rest of the world!). 5. The Lavry doesn't have the armor-piercing blue LED that Benchmark put on the front of their DAC1 (and that I had to cover with a piece of black tape!). Overall, I think the BM probably sits more easily in a domestic hifi environment, whereas the Lavry is a marginally more useful tool in a pro audio environment. There are plenty of pro audio mixing and (especially) mastering studios that use the BM though, so you shouldn't feel that you are being proletarian by going down the BM route. Andrew -- Andrew B. = SB3-> Benchmark DAC1 -> ATC CA2 pre -> ATC SCM50ASL active speakers... nice! Andrew B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42797 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] B&W 802D Speakers. Tempted.
Phil Leigh;263652 Wrote: > I suppose you know that a lot of the CD's we enjoy are mastered/balanced > using B&W's...(not necessarily 802D's for sure, but...) > I don't personally know any (UK) mastering studios that uses other than > top-end B&W, Spendor, ATC, Linn, Naim, Harbeth, PMC etc. I also suppose you have also seen their ads advertising their speakers in a recording studio environment? Sponsorships are great in this neoliberal times. The truth of the matter is that a lot of mastering is done in a lot of parlance sources including headphones; you said it yourself, Spendor, ATC, Linn and I can add AE's, Dynaudio, Tannoy and so many non "audiophile" brands, plus double the variety in selecting passive or active monitors. And lets not forget that normally professional monitors cost less than many high-end audiophile monitors. Dont get me wrong, B&W are not bad speakers, but they spend a lot of their budget in heavy branding campaigns which the majority swallow. Lets say they are not the best in the ratio of what you get for the money, Almost all the time I discover how much better are smaller and less known audio companies, this is why I prefer them. A lot of the value you get with the likes of B&W is the value of the BRAND, which is the same seducer that makes people grab Louis Vuitton's instead of others... -- GuyDebord Reference 3A Royal Master monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata 5 sub. AMP: Pathos Classic One MKIII. ANALOGUE: Michell Gyro SE, Technoarm & Lyra Helikon SL, ASR Mini Basis SQ phono preamp, link: WireWorld Silver Eclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: Acoustic Zen Silver Reference2 XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) & van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 VS the Transporter
To CardinalFang.. Thanks .. A clean up of the flux will be done..;-) To SeanAdams: Actually.. Replacing the caps to Black gate was an improvment, But the Big improvment was to seperate the opamp output and especially the gnd between the opamp and the RCA connectors from the PCB GND.. As you can see this is done by placing the components from the opamps output to the RCA connectors in a "flying" configuration and cutting the PCB conncetion to the RCA connectors. Please see this on photos. The GND to the RCA connectors was made with hookup wires. This last mod with seperating the signal GND from the PCB GND was really an improvment!! The problem must be that output Signal Gnd of the opamp passes the PCB GND that contains Digital GND, Pwr gnd. Maybe the "Slim"device will improve the PCB layout in a future revision? -- Caad Caad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9350 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42840 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
