Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mechanical rattle from SB3
Sean, so you were half right, the internal torx are t10, but, at least on my unit, the outer screws are t8. But that doesn't really matter (so why do I point it out you ask!!) Anyway, I took the screen off played a particularly bad song and most of the buzz went away. So I took the SB3 completely apart and saw there were two leaded electrolytic capacitors in the back. One of them was the 3000uF you mentioned and another was a smaller near the daughter board which routes power/spdif/audio/etc. That one was touching the daughter card. So I moved it away and sorta mucked with the wifi cables. Anyway, something made a difference internally cause without the faceplate, the unit is dead quite. I put the faceplate back on and it buzzed again. So I took it off and looked widthwise across the top and there's a slight co-planarity issue. So I stacked up some thick tape around the top left corner of the screen where it fits inside the plastic housing. Now it's quiet and the tape can't be seen! Thanks again for the help! Best forum ever! -- verbatone verbatone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3556 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43103 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
GuyDebord;266454 Wrote: > > 95%?? Much closer to 100% actually. Things like human hearing sensitivity tend to follow Gaussian distributions. I don't recall the numbers exactly, but even the most optimistic threshold for jitter audibility is way above what Sean can measure. So the odds anyone can hear that are really tiny - I picked 95% because an effect like that is small enough I don't care about it. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
opaqueice;266449 Wrote: > I didn't quite follow that... > > I imagined. opaqueice;266449 Wrote: > > c) given what Sean said above, any differences people hear between the > digital outputs of the SB2/3 and the SBR are more than 95% certain to > be imaginary, which is all I need to know. The precision of his jitter > measurements are way, way, way past the audibility thresholds that have > been found for jitter. 95%?? -- GuyDebord Reference3A RoyalMaster monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, ASR MiniBasis SQ preamp, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) & van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
seanadams;266415 Wrote: > That's correct. Furthermore, it is the exact same circuit. OK, thanks for clarifying. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
So is the 'trunk' nightly still the only way to get FW40? I'll try it again this evening and, once more, force the Xilink. I'll post what happens. Thanks... -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
opaqueice;266406 Wrote: > I don't think making absolute statements is very productive - they > either come across as polemical or simply confuse people. Well indeed, I > agree. opaqueice;266406 Wrote: > In my opinion what should be said is something like this: the > differences in jitter are at most X, and since Y is the threshold for > human perception, we do or do not have to worry about it. > Yes, but the world is rarely black & white, especially where humans are involved. It's the kind of thing we get over here all the time, say when the government tells us that this or that food type contains X amount of whatever substance, and Y amount is the threshold for what we need or can tolerate ... then a few years later it turns out that the scientists were wrong and Y isn't the correct amount after all. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
Heimiko;266425 Wrote: > After reading this, of how to get FW40 working propperly, I tried my > luck once again. But sorry to say, even after forcing the update wit > pressing '1' at startup, I still get worse results then with FW36. Even > a factory reset as described doesn't help. So once again, I moved back > to 36. I know developers don't have much to go on with my description > here (i'm a dev myself, but different area). If you want me to perform > some series of tests, let me know. It would be helpful to know if you can at least play the built-in test tones. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
opaqueice;266406 Wrote: > > In my opinion what should be said is something like this: the > differences in jitter are at most X, and since Y is the threshold for > human perception, we do or do not have to worry about it. Its strange how in this argument you use all humanity to "stand out" in your argument. Why is it that I often read defenses which use the magical and unarguable excuses of non-measurable individual perception, 2 ears vs humanity or humanity vs 2 ears. It always amazes me how many few trust the responsible. If this is the case, why buy their offers??? -- GuyDebord Reference3A RoyalMaster monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, ASR MiniBasis SQ preamp, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) & van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
After reading this, of how to get FW40 working propperly, I tried my luck once again. But sorry to say, even after forcing the update wit pressing '1' at startup, I still get worse results then with FW36. Even a factory reset as described doesn't help. So once again, I moved back to 36. I know developers don't have much to go on with my description here (i'm a dev myself, but different area). If you want me to perform some series of tests, let me know. -- Heimiko Transporter -> XLR Attenuators (-20db) -> Electrocompaniet AW100 DMB -> Dynaudio Audience 122 ___ └> BK Monolith Analog modded SB3 -> tube buffer -> Trends Audio TA-10 -> Eltax Monitor III Heimiko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
Kiep;266396 Wrote: > This was related to a bug in iTunes that JA has used in his review. The > bug causes a non bit-perfect transmission.. Jeeez, this is shocking news ==:-O I have worked with software development myself for many more years than I would like to mention in public :-D Everybody know that software's got issues with it... John Atkinson has issues and he reports it publicly worldwide in the magazine without even checking out what the heck is going on. Do we still call Stereophile a serious magazine? I'm getting my doubts now Thanks for the info :-D -regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux -> SB3 -> Benchmark DAC1 -> Krell KAV400xi -> Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
opaqueice;266406 Wrote: > > OK, thanks. Presumably that means he measured the jitter and found it > to be identical to within the precision of his gear? That's correct. Furthermore, it is the exact same circuit. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
Patrick Dixon;266289 Wrote: > You seem to have moved to a world full of possibilities ;-) I don't think making absolute statements is very productive - they either come across as polemical or simply confuse people. In my opinion what should be said is something like this: the differences in jitter are at most X, and since Y is the threshold for human perception, we do or do not have to worry about it. mvalera;266296 Wrote: > Here's the text of Seans's post: > > Sean Adams Wrote: > > As a digital transport, Duet's Receiver performs identically to SB2 and > > SB3.> > OK, thanks. Presumably that means he measured the jitter and found it to be identical to within the precision of his gear? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
haraldo;266373 Wrote: > Have you observed, for instance, how the Benchmark DAC1 behavies via the > USB interface, the DAC1 is amongst the best performing devices there is > when it comes to jitter rejection. > However, through USB it's not even close to Audiophile standards, check > out Stereophile. This was related to a bug in iTunes that JA has used in his review. The bug causes a non bit-perfect transmission. More info can be found in the moster Benchmark thread on head-fi.org http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f7/benchmark-dac1-now-available-usb-223006/index113.html DAC1usb is a proof that a usb can be done well but it involves carefully selecting software player so there is always this dependancy to get the maximum performance. The new async usb dacs will have their own clock just like the Transporter and this should eliminate the issue. Having said that the usb is still not as flexible as ethernet/wifi and Slimserver. Slimdevices are years ahead as far as user interface is concerned and I wouldn't be surprised if the big boys such as Krell or Wadia knock on their door one day asking for a license. -- Kiep Kiep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
Have you observed, for instance, how the Benchmark DAC1 behavies via the USB interface, the DAC1 is amongst the best performing devices there is when it comes to jitter rejection. However, through USB it's not even close to Audiophile standards, check out Stereophile. Much safer to go with the proven solutions, optical or s/pdif, I reckon Regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux -> SB3 -> Benchmark DAC1 -> Krell KAV400xi -> Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What a difference a DAC makes...
Gadget;265717 Wrote: > Please excuse by lack of electronic knowledge, but when I see postings > relating to swapping capacitors, it raises 2 questions in my mind > > 1) Does it really make a difference to the sound, or is the person who > made the change kidding themselves that the change was effected due to > the effort applied (I know I have over convinced myself on many so > called "upgrades"). > 2) Presumably these capacitors are not very expensive (please correct > me if I am wrong), therefore if they are better, why were they not > fitted to the SB3 in the first place. I'm sure people would pay an > extra £5-10 if the quality was greatly improved I totally support your argument, however I have another question for the crowd and Boudy. Are the proper blind tests you refers to, unconscious or are you conscious when youre blinded? -- GuyDebord Reference3A RoyalMaster monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, ASR MiniBasis SQ preamp, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) & van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
In between my ex rega saturn and the transporter, I had in demo a Stello DA220 Mk II connected to my mac mini via USB. The transporter was simply superior than the Stello and the saturn. Compared to the coaxial input in the Stello, the USB sound had noticeably less resolution and an annoying "digital" rendering. Thats why im with the Transporter. The argument that Sean gives is why I think there are very few or none devices that generate and clock the signal locally, and this means almost no jitter but most importantly superior sound. -- GuyDebord Reference3A RoyalMaster monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, ASR MiniBasis SQ preamp, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) & van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
seanadams;266330 Wrote: > USB is absolute crap compared to generating and clocking the signal > locally as Transporter does. Who promised you jitter-free? I agree. I should be saying low jitter. -- scherukat scherukat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15370 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
OK maybe the new "async" USB does not have the same horrible host-driven 1KHz clocking scheme... -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
USB is absolute crap compared to generating and clocking the signal locally as Transporter does. Who promised you jitter-free? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What a difference a DAC makes...
...to get to, I don't have the time or desire to do proper blind tests and I really don't want to keep reconfiguring my system. -- boudy Main system: SB3 -> DEQ2496 -> Citypulse 2.03 -> MA 845 -> DIY 206ESR BIB Office system: SB3 -> DCX2496 -> Attenuator -> DIY 2 way Open Baffle boudy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9829 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter DEAD after latest update!
Kiep;266267 Wrote: > I run Server 7, 2008-01-23 version with firmware v.36 and I have no > issues The OP was referring to FW40, which is located in trunk: http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/ -- Mark Lanctot Ben Klass: "I won't even eat a pre-7.0 meal. Well, unless it involves bacon." Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43123 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
Transporter is very convenient and that is its biggest attribute. No need for computer interface in your listening room which means no need to deal with typical PC problems such as fan or hard drive noise. I've discovered however that the ethernet sourced data may not necessarily sound the best on this device. I have several spdif sources including a pc and some of them sound better TO ME with the Transporter used a dac only. There is more life and immediacy to the sound, more palpable presentation. Call it a "good jitter", I don't know, it just seems more musical to me than data from Slimserver which makes me hit the "Next" button quite often. I know that in theory that should not be the case but it is in my experience. I get similar results when I feed the Transporter and all the other sources to my Benchmark DAC1usb (through glass toslink). If you don't mind having computer around the anync USB dacs from Wavelenght are the "latest greatest" as a far as usb interface goes and from what I hear they have licensesd their technology to Ayre. -- Kiep Kiep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mechanical rattle from SB3
I don't know what we calibrate them to - reasonably hand tight is all it needs. I'm quite sure they're T-10 though. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43103 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
marlowe;266161 Wrote: > > So last night I enjoyed listening to 88.2 recordings from Linn. Great > work, Sean, but perhaps something in FW40 is wrong as to "finishing up" > the installation proces? > To explain a little background on this, all products since SB2 incorporate a programmable logic chip or "CPLD", something like a FPGA. The purpose of this part is to tie together the CPU with the DAC, to provide selection from multiple clock sources, and to generate the s/pdif output signal. In Transporter it additionally routes the audio signals coming in from the s/pdif receiver and provides the special functions such as word clock I/O and effects loop. This chip contains flash memory which is factory programmed, but also can be reprogrammed in the field. Changing the programming of this part is the modern equivalent of physically rewiring a bunch of 74xxx logic chips. Prior to TP FW40 we have never revised the logic programming, so this is the first time we are having to reprogram it in the field. Clearly, something is wrong with the automated reprogramming of this part which is supposed to take place at power-on, starting with FW40. Why it would sometimes work when pressing '1' but not automatically I don't yet know, but some including myself and the QA team here have not had to force it. I will look into it. I'll enter a bug for this one but please keep an eye out for anything else. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
Here's the text of Seans's post: Jim Holtz;264776 Wrote: > Have the jitter figures been announced yet and how do they compare to > the Squeezebox? I'm using a modified SB2 as a transport right now. I > wouldn't mind selling the SB2 and getting a Duet if it's as good of > transport as the SB2 is. > > Jim seanadams;264779 Wrote: > As a digital transport, Duet's Receiver performs identically to SB2 and > SB3. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=264779#post264779 -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
opaqueice;266236 Wrote: > > Again, let me stress that I doubt very much these issues are important > or audible, particularly into a decent DAC, but they are possible. You seem to have moved to a world full of possibilities ;-) -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter DEAD after latest update!
I run Server 7, 2008-01-23 version with firmware v.36 and I have no issues -- Kiep Kiep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43123 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
Jim Holtz;266182 Wrote: > I asked the same question in the Duet announcement thread and Sean > replied that the digital side is identical. It *seems* that the analog > side might not be as good in the Duet Vs. a SB2/3 in a high resolution > audiophile system. Time will tell. > Well, again, the SB3 analogue side has a noise coming from the display which I find unacceptable in my system (which is far from typical in several ways, so that doesn't mean much for anybody else). I haven't tested the SBR analogue out, but I expect it doesn't have that problem since it doesn't have a display. As for digital outs, the jitter spectrum can be altered by different overall board layout, the presence or absence of a power supply for the display, etc. So even if the digital side proper is identical, that doesn't imply that the digital output is identical. Again, let me stress that I doubt very much these issues are important or audible, particularly into a decent DAC, but they are possible. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What a difference a DAC makes...
boudy;265452 Wrote: > I recently added a Citypulse DA2.03e II to my main system. I was > expecting some level improvement, but wow, I am blown away. There is a > major improvement in definition and strength of the bass, and a > significant improvement in overall clarity. > > Before adding the DAC, my system consisted of: > > SB3 (digital out) to DEQ2496 (analog out) to Music Angel 845 tube amp > (modified). > > Present configuration: > > SB3 (digital out) to DEQ2496 (digital out) to Citypulse DAC to MA 845. > > I'm using the DEQ2496 for room correction and to help me tune my DIY > speakers. I originally found the analog output of the DEQ2496 to be at > least as good as the SB3's analog output. > > Speakers consist of 8" full range Fostex 206ESR drivers in BIB's (horns > that load into the ceiling - they are huge!). I really dig these > speakers, they fill the whole house with great sound, and they produce > plenty deep clean bass. > > I went with the Citypulse because I want a remote volume control and > because of its excellent reputation. Hi, would you care to do a blind test SB3 analog out vs. Citypulse? Could you describe the differences. I have a similar DAC and I'm curious abut your opinion. thks, K. -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in sound quality between SB3/Duet when using seperate DAC
I asked the same question in the Duet announcement thread and Sean replied that the digital side is identical. It *seems* that the analog side might not be as good in the Duet Vs. a SB2/3 in a high resolution audiophile system. Time will tell. Jim -- Jim Holtz Jim Holtz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1456 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43087 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with choosing Transporter v/s USB DAC
There are several advantages. 1) re: jitter it's best to have the data transmitted asynchronously, stored in memory, and then clocked out to a local DAC with a local oscillator. That minimizes jitter at the DAC in the simplest and best way possible. A USB implementation may or may not be able to achieve equivalent performance, but it cannot be better. 2) SB and TP can connect easily to internet radio and music streaming services (such as slacker, which is great) with or without a server present on the network. 3) multiple devices in different rooms can be easily synched to play in unison. 4) the server can be in a closet, or the basement, or wherever. 5) SB and TP can connect to more than one server if there are several on the same network. That even works over the internet, although you may have to use lossy compression if the connection isn't fast enough. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43129 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transporter firmware (v.40) in nightlies
Eric, as you can see above, I also had problems and went back to Slimserver and an earlier firmware. However after reading this thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42970 about problems similar to yours I tried again, first updating firmware, the rewriting Xilink and the resetting factory settings, and now FW40 works for me as well. So last night I enjoyed listening to 88.2 recordings from Linn. Great work, Sean, but perhaps something in FW40 is wrong as to "finishing up" the installation proces? Regards, Soeren -- marlowe marlowe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12398 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42960 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What a difference a DAC makes...
If you can, try removing the DEQ from your system. I did use a DEQ for a while as my old lounge benefitted from the room correction. However, in my new room, it caused more problems than it solved. So it's clearly room dependant regarding benefits, but be aware that it's certainly NOT non intrusive. -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone identify this cable?
Sorry, I can only tell the difference between cables blind ;) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43116 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone identify this cable?
It's speaker cable and it belonged to a friend who sadly died and his wife is asking me to dispose of everything for her. I reckon it's probably about 5 years old as I can remeber him getting it when he bought new speakers and I know he didn't make it up himself - possible that the dealer made it up to a custom length? It's terminated with zplugs and certainly looks like Nordost but I'm a bit wary of listing it on ebay and saying it's Nordost if it's not. I also don't want to just toss it out if it's worth a bit. Anyone know what rev 1 blue heaven was like as I was wondering if it might be that. -- killie99 Primare D30.2 CD player, MF 24/96 DAC, MF A1000 Amp, Impulse H2 speakers oh, and an SB3 killie99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43116 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
