Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter sans preamp w/Endler Att.

2008-05-28 Thread xand1x

It's been a few months for me with the Endlers. I compared them to the
Luminous Audio Axiom Mono XLR passive pre (extensively) and preferred
the Endlers. The Axiom preamp allowed for a better soundstage overall
but the Endlers were a bit more forward and seemed a bit purer. We
aren't talking huge differences here, but I could see how someone could
swing either way.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread tyler_durden

The OS can make a difference, but not in the way that the audio dealer
suggests.

If you have a PC that runs any form of Windows, you already know about
the antivirus, antispyware, security updates and accompanying frequent
reboots windows requires just to continue to run.  If windows is
updating and rebooting in the middle of a party or while you are
showing off the system to friends, it could be very embarrassing. 
Antispyware and antivirus programs also require frequent updates and
sometimes reboots.

If you want a system that works reliably with minimal maintenance, get
a Mac or run a PC with linux.  The performance of SqueezeCenter will be
better (faster serving of web pages, etc.) and you won't have to do
nearly as much maintenance as with a windows machine.

Any OS will provide the exact bits required for reconstruction of the
audio and barring total interruptions of service due to some of the
less reliable OS's, the bits will sound the same.

TD


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread ezkcdude

kimballhouse;306385 Wrote: 
> Thanks all.  It would appear from your unanimous comments that the
> dealer in Summit NJ is ignorant, and as suggested I will steer clear of
> him.
> 
> Curiously he has sold several Transporter and understood that they
> transfered a digital file and did not use the sound card from the
> computer.  
> 
> I will try the experiment with the Transporter.

A couple of years ago, this thread would've turned into a flame war.
Glad to see how much progress this community has made - and maybe it's
a sign of the audiophile community at large.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter sans preamp w/Endler Att.

2008-05-28 Thread ezkcdude

I've been using the Endler attenuators for almost three years now with a
Squeezebox, external DAC, and Parasound Halo A23 amp. I don't use a
preamp. The attenuators are basically "set them and forget them". I've
adjusted the attenuation all of two times in the past three years.
Highly recommended. In fact, if you did a search on this forum, you'd
probably find my old posts.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread iPhone

aweitzner;306390 Wrote: 
> The K-mixer story sounded familiar. I found it here on Benchmark's
> website: 
> 
> http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/computer_audio/advanced_usb_audio.html
> 
> They claim this issue arises when the DAC-1 is connected to a PC via
> USB
> 
> Andy

I wonder if his dealer is a Benchmark dealer? The issue is that when
using the USB port the file seems to already be converted to audio. In
the audio state using the USB port, MicroSuck makes all audio go
through the K-mixer. Again, as if MicroSuck knows best.

>From Benchmark:
"Windows® 2000 and XP operating systems have a digital mixer known as
'Kmixer'. All audio streams must go through the Windows® Kmixer to
reach native USB audio devices. The performance of Kmixer is critical
to any native USB audio solution, so we tested it extensively. 

We found that Kmixer can perform with full or near full
bit-transparency under the right conditions. But, under the wrong
conditions, Kmixer can do a great deal of damage. 

Kmixer's sample-rate-conversion is of very poor quality (under XP and
2000) and must be avoided. Benchmark's Advance USB Audio solution
allows Kmixer to default to a transparent mode of operation that avoids
sample rate conversion."

Back to the real world of Network Audio Players (Slim Devices) that
transcode digtal files and do not use a USB cable as their input source
(which a Benchmark USB does). The K-mixer is not an issue for ANY Slim
Devices product, because their devices transcode digital files and
output either analog audio or standard digital signal. They do not use
USB Digial Audio out as their source.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread aweitzner

The K-mixer story sounded familiar. I found it here on Benchmark's
website: 

http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/computer_audio/advanced_usb_audio.html

They claim this issue arises when the DAC-1 is connected to a PC via
USB

Andy


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread kimballhouse

Thanks all.  It would appear from your unanimous comments that the
dealer in Summit NJ is ignorant, and as suggested I will steer clear of
him.

Curiously he has sold several Transporter and understood that they
transfered a digital file and did not use the sound card from the
computer.  

I will try the experiment with the Transporter.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread SuperQ

Anne;306337 Wrote: 
> Dealers, and manufacturers are still frantically trying to sell the
> obsolete cd player, and soon we will have the reason why cd players are
> still in use, "Its so cozy to load a cd", and this brings us back to the
> great vinyl discussion
> With the Duet, or SB3 you need a good dac, or a good cheap dac like the
> Beresford 7510, then you are in business., you will never regret
> it.
> A tip for a very very good dac :
> http://www.pacificvalve.us/LTDAC38.html

Yup, I bought my dad a SB3 a while back, setup a server with an
automatic insert/rip/eject script.  I even loaded about half of his CDs
into the server to get him going.  He unplugged it and hasn't used it
ever.  He would rather go swap CDs.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter sans preamp w/Endler Att.

2008-05-28 Thread iPhone

mr_bill;306360 Wrote: 
> Hi,
> I have my Transporter directly xlr connected to my amps and control
> volume with my TP digital control.  I have no other sources in my
> system.
> Any long term feedback (good or bad) on using your TP straight to amp
> (no preamp) or using Endler Attenuators in your system ?
> Have you been happy with the Endlers?
> Has anyone gone back to a preamp?
> Nice to have to spend the big money if you don't have to.

Love the idea of going with the least possible components in the signal
path. I have listened to my system using only Transporter, Ayre Mono
blocks, and Vandersteen Quatro Speakers. I enjoyed the way it sounded.
But after having my SB3 go into the "white noise of speaker death"
twice, it was back to using the VTL pre-amp. I figured after being
lucky twice that nothing was damaged; I would not push my luck. One can
imagine how loud and how harmful the Ayre Mono Blocks would be to the
Quatro Speakers at wide open volume.

I have been thinking about some of the high-end passive pre-amps as a
way to protect the speakers. The Transporter can run wide open using a
passive pre-amp to control the volume. The Channel Islands Remote
Passive Line Controller would be perfect for me if it had balanced
inputs and outputs.

Note: "White Noise of Speaker Death" is when the SB3 wakes up at full
volume and is spitting out digital white noise instead of audio. It is
at a higher volume level then music (which I can't explain). Power
cycling was the only way to restore the SB3 to regular operation. This
most likely happened after whole house power was rapidly cycled during
a storm. Yes, Gray Power Company products protect my Transporter and
the circuit is on a commercial UPS, but I am not taking any chances
with the TP, Ayre Mono blocks, or Quatro Speakers.

Has anyone ever had his or her Transporter do this? Mine has not. But
again, not taking any chances.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter sans preamp w/Endler Att.

2008-05-28 Thread mr_bill

Hi,
I have my Transporter directly xlr connected to my amps and control
volume with my TP digital control.  I have no other sources in my
system.
Any long term feedback (good or bad) on using your TP straight to amp
(no preamp) or using Endler Attenuators in your system ?
Have you been happy with the Endlers?
Has anyone gone back to a preamp?
Nice to have to spend the big money if you don't have to.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Missing link? A little help please.

2008-05-28 Thread Anne

Through Stax headphones the sound from my dvd /cd player, and the
wireless SB3, both digitally into my dac is identical.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread Anne

Dealers, and manufacturers are still frantically trying to sell the
obsolete cd player, and soon we will have the reason why cd players are
still in use, "Its so cozy to load a cd", and this brings us back to the
great vinyl discussion
With the Duet, or SB3 you need a good dac, or a good cheap dac like the
Beresford 7510, then you are in business., you will never regret
it.
A tip for a very very good dac :
http://www.pacificvalve.us/LTDAC38.html


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread amcluesent

>an audio dealer who assured me that the computer system has a huge
effect on the sound quality coming from a Transporter<

Forget buying audio and ask if he can cut you in on what he's smoking!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread Mnyb

To further stress this point, some here run the Server on machines that
does not even have audio hardware or proper software drivers for it,
read NAS boxes etc.

I'm running a small server with ClarkConnect Linux , i think the sound
drivers are broken/not installed, but it doesn't matter.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread iPhone

kimballhouse;306217 Wrote: 
> I am still trying to resolve whether I can switch from CDs to a
> computer-based music system.  
Why not both? Besides in time, it is entirely possible that it will end
up being the only way to acquire new music.
kimballhouse;306217 Wrote: 
> The Controller is a terrific navigating device.  The convenience
> features and ability to use playlists and to find music has really
> changed the way I enjoy music.  The access to Internet only radio
> streams has sold me on the device.  I live in a location with terrible
> over-the-air radio, and this solves the problem.
Here here, I have to completely agree. This should make the choice
easier.
kimballhouse;306217 Wrote: 
> The sound is decidedly not as good as my CD player, a 10-year-old Rega
> Planet on its last legs.  I'm considering upgrading to a Transporter,
> which is a simple enough experiment.  Alternatively I may buy a better
> CD player and use the Duet for radio.
I would think that the Rega Planet and the Duet would be close with
maybe a slight edge going to the Planet. Don't own one so I can't say.
Can you borrow a DAC from your local dealer to put with the Duet? Bet
that is a Planet beater!
Moving up to the Transporter in my opinion will be a huge improvement.
kimballhouse;306217 Wrote: 
> In the course of sorting this out I spoke to an audio dealer who assured
> me that the computer system has a huge effect on the sound quality
> coming from a Transporter.. Is this nonsense?
Absolute nonsense! Computer hardware and operating system have no
effects whatsoever on the file or the way the Duet or Transporter
handle it. One can even use only a headless file server if one so
chooses. We are not using the computers sound card, a media sound
program, or the PCs operating system to play music (other then
providing a place to run SqueezeCenter). The PC is just a file server
running a server program (either SS or SC) feeding digital files to the
device. Are some computers and operating systems better interfaces? Yes
some are but this does not affect the quality of the sound unless the
PC is not up to the job and is causing dropouts. Better computer
hardware and Operating Systems just tend to make the interface faster
and more enjoyable.

Tell your dealer to stick to iPods or do some serious research into
network media players not playing music "from or on" a computer.
Network Media Players do not play music from a computer, they take
digital files from a computer and transcode them into analog music in
the device or output them in standard digital format to an external
DAC.
Again if you like the Rega Planet, IMHO you will enjoy the Transporter
or Duet with a nice DAC.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lavry DA10 DAC: Subjective Impressions and Listening Tests (Long)

2008-05-28 Thread duke43j

Hi Ron,

No problem. I was out of town as well. 

I had the chance to try a Mark Levinson 36s DAC with my SB3, and I
found it to be a little light in the upper bass and lower midrange
(~300-500Hz)compared to my Rega Apollo. The Rega had a warmer sound
that I prefer. Comparing the Apollo with the SB3 analog out, I do
notice a more 3-dimensional sound with the Apollo. The Apollo also
seems to sustain the notes a little longer. Not a dramatic difference,
but noticeable if you're paying attention. I'm searching for a DAC that
will be a step up from the DAC in my SB3 to give me a sound comparable
to the Apollo. The convenience of the SB3 is tremendous. Can you tell
if the Lavry has a different tonality than your Rega?

Rega Apollo --> VTL 2.5 preamp --> Classe 100W/chan amp --> Thiel 2.4
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread snarlydwarf

kimballhouse;306217 Wrote: 
> 
> In the course of sorting this out I spoke to an audio dealer who
> assured me that the computer system has a huge effect on the sound
> quality coming from a Transporter.  This sounds like a canard and I
> would welcome the input of the forum.  His statment was that the
> 'K-Mixer' in Windows XP wrecks the sound, even if the digital file is
> transfered to a wireless player and stored there.  He further
> maintained that the sound quality from the Transporter would depend on
> the choice of computer system, with Mac better than Vista, better than
> Windows XP, even if all were storing and sending the same uncompressed
> music file.  Is this nonsense?

The audio dealer has no clue what he is talking about.

Ie, that would be true if you were using the PC's sound card and the
myriad of layers of software... But you're not.

Does he believe that if you download a song from iTunes Music Store on
a Mac, it will sound better than the same song downloaded to a PC?

At the core level, the various music players basically do: "GET
/something" from SqueezeCenter, using HTTP which is exactly how
iTunes downloads work...

So, really, this dealer is arguing that if you want to use an iPod, you
will get better sound quality on a Mac than on Windows.  The analogy
above is exactly what he is arguing.

He is nuts or, perhaps, he has a vested interest in something else and
wants you to buy that and is either a fool that can not see reality or
he is a liar that doesn't care about reality, only the sale.

I wouldn't buy anything from him ever.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread kimballhouse

I am still trying to resolve whether I can switch from CDs to a
computer-based music system.  I bought a Duet and am transfering much
of the library to FLAC and exploring the internet radio possibilities.

A couple of observations then a question.  

The Controller is a terrific navigating device.  The convenience
features and ability to use playlists and to find music has really
changed the way I enjoy music.  The access to internet only radio
streams has sold me on the device.  I live in a location with terrible
over-the-air radio, and this solves the problem.

The sound is decidedly not as good as my CD player, a 10 year old Rega
Planet on its last legs.  I'm considering upgrading to a Tranporter,
which is a simple enough experiment.  Alternatively I may buy a better
CD player and use the Duet for radio.

In the course of sorting this out I spoke to an audio dealer who
assured me that the computer system has a huge effect on the sound
quality coming from a Transporter.  This sounds like a canard and I
would welcome the input of the forum.  His statment was that the
'K-Mixer' in Windows XP wrecks the sound, even if the digital file is
transfered to a wireless player and stored there.  He further
maintained that the sound quality from the Transporter would depend on
the choice of computer system, with Mac better than Vista, better than
Windows XP, even if all were storing and sending the same uncompressed
music file.  Is this nonsense?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does computer influence Sound from Transporter?

2008-05-28 Thread radish

kimballhouse;306217 Wrote: 
> In the course of sorting this out I spoke to an audio dealer who assured
> me that the computer system has a huge effect on the sound quality
> coming from a Transporter.  This sounds like a canard and I would
> welcome the input of the forum.  His statment was that the 'K-Mixer' in
> Windows XP wrecks the sound, even if the digital file is transfered to a
> wireless player and stored there.  He further maintained that the sound
> quality from the Transporter would depend on the choice of computer
> system, with Mac better than Vista, better than Windows XP, even if all
> were storing and sending the same uncompressed music file.  Is this
> nonsense?

Yes, complete garbage. Provided it actually works, the computer itself
has no affect on the SQ whatsoever (excepting the rip process where
things like choice of drive & ripper can make a difference).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKG 940 AFC Wireless Phones

2008-05-28 Thread bigfool1956

Yes I've seen these phones. They don't seem to be distributed in the UK
or Austria, so I guess I would have to order them direct. I see from
the other thread that you have ordered a pair. I would be very
interested in your impressions of them when they arrive.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKG 940 AFC Wireless Phones

2008-05-28 Thread dsendecki

Maybe try these:

Amphony 5.8 GHz DIGITAL Wireless Headphones, Model 2500 

http://www.amphony.com/products/h2500.htm

The Model 2500 Digital Wireless Headphones from Amphony combine the
best of headphone technology with the best of wireless audio
transmission technology. As a result, this model achieves audiophile
sound reproduction and eliminates any noise or audio distortion by
using digital audio transmission.

By transmitting its signal at 5.8 GHz, the Model 2500 is fully immune
to interference at 2.4 GHz (wireless networks etc.).

Similar to our Model 2000, the Model 2500 offers an extended audio
frequency response and excels at reproducing every subtle nuance of
your favorite songs.

The transmitter provides fully digital audio interfaces in order to
eliminate any unnecessary digital-to-analog or analog-to-digital
conversion and achieves unsurpassed signal-to-noise ratio.

The audio data is transmitted to the headphones without applying any
audio compression or sample rate conversion.

A noise shaping filter which is part of the headphones removes any
quantization noise from the audible frequency band.

The Model 2500 features velours ear cushions to maximize comfort as
well as battery charging bays to keep your headphones working at any
time.


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HP MediaSmart Server EX475 > Linksys WRT54G > 4 Squeezebox Receivers
SBR#1 > Yamaha HTR6060 > Klipsch Quintet II — (Living Room)
SBR#2 > Audioengine A2 — (Bedroom)
SBR#3 > Creative Gigaworks T20 — (Kitchen)
Planned: SBR#4 > Amphony 5.8 GHz Digital Wireless Transmitter/Amplifier
(Model 1520) > Yamaha All-Weather Speakers (NSAW150B) — (Outdoor Patio)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKG 940 AFC Wireless Phones

2008-05-28 Thread bigfool1956

Well, after some time listening to these, using the Duet I bought for
the purpose :) ,I am now very disappointed with them.

Why? For one single reason. I can't imagine what they were thinking,
but they have got undefeatable automatic gain control (AGC) included.
This means that any music with wide dynamic swings becomes virtually
unlistenable.

Take the band Porcupine Tree as an example. Typically they will have
relatively quiet sections followed by huge jumps to the full band. What
the AKGs do is to turn up the volume of the acoustic guitar, and then
slam the volume back down once the full band crashes in.

They advertise these phones for use with DVD-A and SACD, nowhere in
their specs do they mention AGC, although for other models they do. I
don't personally consider AGC as suitable for DVD-A / SACD playback.

I wrote to AKG to see if they would confirm the AGC, and to see if they
had any suggestions. They haven't given me the curtesy of a reply.

AVOID!


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Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller

2008-05-28 Thread FaberOptim�

Phil Leigh;303974 Wrote: 
> This is the audiophile forum - we don't do "threads" :o)

LOL
How about pertinent replies?


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