Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Open Question To Audiophiles With Studio Experience
The best test Cd for both hifi and Studio monitors speakers/systems is this one Sound Check 2 By Alan Parsons http://www.interstudio.co.uk/sndchk.htm Years ago , I listened to a set of Mackie Hr1024's or something like that (can't remember the exact miodel , but they been around a long time) and I was pretty much impressed at their value for money and the bass that came from such small speakers. -- Rodney_Gold Sb3/Z-sys RDP1/meridian DSP5500's TP/X-cans v3/Senns 650's TP/TACT 2.0/SCM 50a's TP/Meridian DSP5000's "The nicest thing about smacking your head against the wall is...the feeling you get when you stop" Rodney_Gold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50711 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter word-clock function
seanadams;325967 Wrote: > "Glass fiber" for a 44.1KHz word clock signal is downright goofy. If it > doesn't have a BNC output, you should contact Wadia and ask what they > suggest to convert it to an electrical signal - that's the de facto > standard. Sean, I'll contact Wadia. Thanks for your help. -- cmarin cmarin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50273 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Personal Introductions: Please Make This a Sticky!
howdy, i'm not a cowboy but i do tend to call other people cowboy. the name on my birth certificate says andrew but call me what you like. i'm 28. i work as a croupier/supervisor at crown casino. i've always been around music and have picked up a lot of my musical taste from my father who is also heavily into hifi and music. my lastfm account reflects his influence as most believe i have the tastes of a fifty year old man. i'm married with a 16 month old son who already likes to listen to music with me and is always trying to plug cables into the back of my squeezebox. i am currently upgrading my system (slowly). At the moment i am running a squeezebox -> moodlab DAC -> burson buffer -> kingrex t20 + PSU (just upgraded from the Super T) and then out through some old speakers (pioneer woofers and new vifa tweeters) i found on the street which will be the next upgrade in about a year or so. my wife and i don't share all the same musical tastes so i tend to find myself listening to less and less punk and hardcore these days. either i'm growing up into a man or i'm not as angry anymore. -D -- drewe181 http://www.last.fm/user/drewe181/ drewe181's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8129 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30141 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Open Question To Audiophiles With Studio Experience
Eric Seaberg;326491 Wrote: > > BTW, a GREAT test for listening to speakers when shopping is to play a > dry (no effects), speaking human voice. Your brain KNOWS what the > human voice is supposed to sound like and, when you turn the volume > DOWN, i.e. 75-80dB SPL, you will hear flaws in the mids and top end if > there. Pick a speaker that sounds like the person is standing in front > of you speaking. > Very good advice. I have a high quality recording that includes a wide variety of sounds: a piano concerto recorded from the audience (complete with crinkly candy wrapper), a burble of conversation, nearby voices, car doors shutting, etc., and I find it extremely useful as a gauge of speakers. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50711 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Non-Slim Question
I use an M-Audio FastTrack Pro for a couple reasons. It's moderately priced, and works well with Linux (standard usb-audio drivers). Many other devices require proprietary fancy drivers that don't work at all, and probably never will work on Linux. My only complaint is you need to do some minor driver tricks to switch between 16/44 and higher bit/sample rates. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50734 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] crackles and pops between tracks
I often hear pops and crackles between tracks, but only when I'm playing a random selection - never any other time. -- swhite58 Clark Connect Linux file server->Various boxes with flashing lights->SB3->Zhaolu D3 DAC->NAD C320BEE->Polk Monitor 4.5/Sennheiser headphones swhite58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5038 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Non-Slim Question
Another one for the engineers out there... I'm researching which Audio Interface to buy. Remember, this is a modest, BUDGET studio setup I'm talking about here. There are a ton of devices in the $150-300 range, and I've been doing enough reading to be leery of all of them for one reason or another. In the $500 range, suddenly a couple of clear choices jump out: The Apogee Duet and the MOTU UltraLite Mk2 (soon to be Mk3). Anyone have an opinion? -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ ~~~ SB3 (wired - 6.3.1) | Home-brew PC running XP Pro | DENON DRA-395 | PSB Stratus Bronze (2) | Outlaw Audio LFM-2 (1) | DIY Speaker Cables | Dayton Audio Interconnects jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50734 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Open Question To Audiophiles With Studio Experience
cliveb;326393 Wrote: > The key point here is that you auditioned inexpensive speakers. Of > course they're not flat or accurate - nowhere near. You need to spend > *serious* money to even start approaching that goal. And of course even > the finest speakers in the world are orders of magnitude less flat and > accurate than a cheap CD player. > > Hardly worth bothering, is it? :-) Har har! I guess the point I was trying to make was that the claim that studio monitors are more "accurate" to me is now total bee-ess. If they're ACCURATE, they should all sound alike. I mean the waveform passing through the voice coils is a measurable, definable thing. But they don't, and that's fine. I guess I didn't really expect them to. FWIW, I thought the Yamahas were a little shrill and the Mackies boomy. The KRKs and M-Audios actually sounded kinda similar -- laid back. I preferred them. I'll pick between the two of them. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ ~~~ SB3 (wired - 6.3.1) | Home-brew PC running XP Pro | DENON DRA-395 | PSB Stratus Bronze (2) | Outlaw Audio LFM-2 (1) | DIY Speaker Cables | Dayton Audio Interconnects jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50711 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Question to Audiophiles
Themis;326331 Wrote: > Well, I understand your point of view, and I admit that my explanation > was probably poor, so I'll try to explain better : To have an idea > about a speaker (or any hifi gear setup, for that matter) I always use > listening material from the 60-70s because these material are part of > the music I like, and also because back then (in the 70s) I was used to > listening to these tapes with excellent amps and speaker (I won't go > into details). So, after many years of listening, I ended up > "connecting" the pleasure (on some distinct recordings) of some > particular music with some distinct particular details. So, if today I > can find these details (on the same recordings), the emotion is back > and i appreciate the gear. If I can't, then I don't care about it, > whatever others may say about accuracy and so on. Mainly speakers (and > dacs) "color" enough the music to influence my experience. Some tube > gear too, sometimes. > > Anyway, I've always owned speakers and gear that bring these details to > me (and I've started listening to CDs vary lately - less than 5 years > ago), so, as far as recent recordings are concerned, I keep on > repeating the same scheme. I'm probably naïve, but I don't consider > myself as an "inexperienced listener". At least for the recording > materials I like the most. ;) Yes I do understand that. Speakers do color and that's why people seem to like certain types, brands or styles of speakers. But just because I don't like the color or emotion of a certain speaker doesn't mean it's flawed. It mainly means it doesn't work with my likes to my ears or my type of music. For years JBL's were always the Rock speakers and loved for that but not for Jazz or classical. As I've gotten older I do like certain speakers probably because I'm comfortable and familiar with the color and sound of them. While I love my B&W's I'm sure there are others that think they are junk. So many intangibles make music reproduction almost impossible to judge on what is best I think. Oh btw, rereading my post it sounded way to harsh, I'm sorry about that my friend. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Open Question To Audiophiles With Studio Experience
The facility I work at, where I am Chf Audio Engineer, has all Genelec monitors. A lot of people like them, and just as many don't, which proves your point Cliveb. You have to find something you're VERY comfortable with, and spend a LOT of time tuning your ear/brain combination. This can virtually be done with ANY style of "professional" studio monitor... look at how well the Yamaha NS10s or Auratone 5Cs have done!! We chose Genelec S30Ds in three of our main rooms. They have a ribbon tweeter, are tri-amped and are very easy to listen to for LONG periods of time without too much ear fatigue. Studios and Edit bays all have 1030As. Our mixes from the S30Ds translate very well to these 6.5" bi-amped monitors. Our main video post suite has 1037Bs. Tri-amped and VERY LOUD, but still not a lot of fatigue after long listening periods. We're currently building an HDTV Remote Truck, as well as converting our 4-video edit suites to HD w/ 5.1 monitoring. They will all have Genelec systems, as well as Genelecs in the truck, because that's what our brain is used to. I know for a fact that a mix I do in the truck will feel exactly right in any one of the video suites because all Genelecs 'feel' the same to me. I do a lot of location recording on my own, and also have Genelecs for that (1030As and 8020s). Again, it's what I'm used to when I'm working. However, the 5.1 listening/entertainment room in our home has Tannoy surrounds and sub. This gives me an 'alternate' listening experience when I bring work home to 'verify'. All-in-all, do NOT buy speakers JUST BECAUSE A SALESMAN TOLD YOU THEY'RE GREAT!! Make up your own mind based on what feels right to you. BTW, a GREAT test for listening to speakers when shopping is to play a dry (no effects), speaking human voice. Your brain KNOWS what the human voice is supposed to sound like and, when you turn the volume DOWN, i.e. 75-80dB SPL, you will hear flaws in the mids and top end if there. Pick a speaker that sounds like the person is standing in front of you speaking. MHO... -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego A.E.S., S.M.P.T.E., S.P.A.R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50711 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Open Question To Audiophiles With Studio Experience
I have a friend that does this same thing and he likes to listen to his music through decent regular speakers. He want's to hear what the average person that will be buying his music is going to hear. He also listens in his vehicle just to get that perspective. I really don't think you need any exotic or specialized speakers for your purpose. Some that you like the way they sound for your type of music. Just my opinion of course. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50711 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter listening test
Very brave taking on the High Priests of Hi Fi. I especially loved the guy that said he didn't want any deaf customers anyway. If you don't hear what the Priests say that you should hear, this is the response you get. A lot of high end users get caught up in the religions mysticism and rites and never do what you two did. Great job. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Open Question To Audiophiles With Studio Experience
jonheal;326354 Wrote: > So I wandered into Guitar Center to listen to and compare some small, > relatively inexpensive monitors... > > They all sounded VASTLY different. As different as any bunch of > similarly-sized hi-fi speakers you might stick together. > > So here's my opinion at this point. There ain't no "flat" speakers. > There ain't no "accurate" speakers. The key point here is that you auditioned inexpensive speakers. Of course they're not flat or accurate - nowhere near. You need to spend *serious* money to even start approaching that goal. And of course even the finest speakers in the world are orders of magnitude less flat and accurate than a cheap CD player. Hardly worth bothering, is it? :-) -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50711 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another Open Question To Audiophiles With Studio Experience
Well, my last question generated a healthy dose of banter, so I thought I'd ask another. (Although this is more of a pontification.) Recently I bought a copy of Propellerhead Reason to see if there's any chance I can put together some not-completely-sucky music. I've also wanted to rig up a modest "studio" in our guestroom to produce said music. So I wandered into Guitar Center to listen to and compare some small, relatively inexpensive monitors, namely: KRK Rocket 5 Gen 2 M-Audio BX5a Deluxe Mackie MR5 Yamaha HS50M Now, these are all supposed to be flat, sterile studio monitors. Theoretically, shouldn't they all sound the same, or at least VERY similar? But you know what? They all sounded VASTLY different. As different as any bunch of similarly-sized hi-fi speakers you might stick together. So here's my opinion at this point. There ain't no "flat" speakers. There ain't no "accurate" speakers. You pick the ones that abuse your particular ears the least and you buy them. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ ~~~ SB3 (wired - 6.3.1) | Home-brew PC running XP Pro | DENON DRA-395 | PSB Stratus Bronze (2) | Outlaw Audio LFM-2 (1) | DIY Speaker Cables | Dayton Audio Interconnects jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50711 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Question to Audiophiles
Nonreality;326145 Wrote: > I'm sorry and don't take this wrong, but what a bunch of bull. Speakers > can make a huge difference but not in the way you're saying. It's the > way the album was mixed that creates the emotional impact not the > speaker. Yeah the speaker can have a bit to do with this but not to > the point that you are saying. If they did they would not be in > business. If this was the case it would not effect every type of music > either. It couldn't. This is the stuff they use to sell speakers to > the believers.Well, I understand your point of view, and I admit that my > explanation was probably poor, so I'll try to explain better : To have an idea about a speaker (or any hifi gear setup, for that matter) I always use listening material from the 70s because these material are part of the music I like, and also because back then (in the 70s) I was used to listening to these tapes with excellent amps and speaker (I won't go into details). So, after many years of listening, I ended up "connecting" the pleasure (on some distinct recordings) of some particular music with some distinct particular details. So, if today I can find these details (on the same recordings), the emotion is back and i appreciate the gear. If I can't, then I don't care about it, whatever others may say about accuracy and so on. Mainly speakers (and dacs) "color" enough the music to influence my experience. Some tube gear too, sometimes. Anyway, I've always owned speakers and gear that bring these details to me (and I've started listening to CDs vary lately - less than 5 years ago), so, as far as recent recordings are concerned, I keep on repeating the same scheme. I'm probably naïve, but I don't consider myself as an "inexperienced listener". At least for the recording materials I like the most. ;) -- Themis SB3 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Question to Audiophiles
Nonreality;326145 Wrote: > I'm sorry and don't take this wrong, but what a bunch of bull. Speakers > can make a huge difference but not in the way you're saying. It's the > way the album was mixed that creates the emotional impact not the > speaker. Yeah the speaker can have a bit to do with this but not to > the point that you are saying. If they did they would not be in > business. If this was the case it would not effect every type of music > either. It couldn't. This is the stuff they use to sell speakers to > the believers. Speakers play a big part in conveying the emotion Part of the emotion an Audiophile feels is the "rightness" of reproduction he feels, on a technical level, when music is played. You have to understand that even small flaws sometimes can't be looked past by an audiophile , so to say that only the mix is important wont hold true to them or their expectations of the "musical experience" that conveys to THEM the emotion -- Rodney_Gold Sb3/Z-sys RDP1/meridian DSP5500's TP/X-cans v3/Senns 650's TP/TACT 2.0/SCM 50a's TP/Meridian DSP5000's "The nicest thing about smacking your head against the wall is...the feeling you get when you stop" Rodney_Gold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] crackles and pops between tracks
Since the upgrade to 7.1, some of us get pops on Rhapsody http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50509 -- y360 y360's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a better CD drive make better sound?
smarco;326191 Wrote: > > 1. Is the $3K or $30K CD transporter better than $20 CD drive in > pulling out the digital data from a CD? Not in any sense that matters for the ripping process. > Is there any $1K CD drive for Hi-Fi ripping? (I mean $1K for the CD > drive itself not for the automated machine.) I'll sell you one :-). Seriously, it's totally unnecessary - while a decent drive might save you some headaches, mine are ordinary and cheap and almost always succeed in getting perfect rips (so long as the CDs are in good shape). > 2. Is the loss of data in streaming or storing really significant? > Yeah... I see some digital cables priced over $1K. If so, the shorter > paths like the option 2 and 3 are supposed to be better than the option > 1. Is it true? There is zero data loss in either, assuming you rip and stream in a lossless format like FLAC. That has been verified many times by forum members. > 3. What makes the $3K transpoter worth other than the minimized loss (if > so) in its circutry? It's not only the sequence of bits which determines sound - it's the circuitry which converts that sequence to an analogue voltage, and, for S/PDIF connections, potentially the jitter in the digital signal. The TP also has increased functionality over the SB or Duet (digital inputs, hi-res format compatibility, etc.). -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50690 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a better CD drive make better sound?
michel;326198 Wrote: > To my ears rips at 4x with a Plextor Premium (and to a certain extent > Premium2) sound better than anything else. > Be aware that rips with EAC are a lot inferior than those with Easy > CD-DA (Easy CDDA set to C2 recognition ONLY). > > I did lots os ABx testing. With a Transponder you will hear the > differences most certainly. Transponder? EAC rips can be checked for accuracy. On undamaged CDs, using very cheap computer CD drives, I almost always get 100% bit perfect rips. I can verify this by comparing the files to an online database, or I could make two copies and use a bit-compare utility. Once the bit-perfect file is on the computer's hard drive there cannot be any memory of the CD drive that ripped it - the only thing that matters is the sequence of bits. So if you really heard differences, you either made bad rips with EAC (which means you didn't use accurip to verify them) or you are fooling yourself. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50690 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a better CD drive make better sound?
michel;326198 Wrote: > To my ears rips at 4x with a Plextor Premium (and to a certain extent > Premium2) sound better than anything else. > Be aware that rips with EAC are a lot inferior than those with Easy > CD-DA (Easy CDDA set to C2 recognition ONLY). Are you saying that you're doing your ripping with Easy CDDA on a Plextor Premium drive? Why are you not using Plextools, which as far as I am aware is the only ripping program that can actually make full use of the Premium's capabilities? -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50690 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a better CD drive make better sound?
smarco;326191 Wrote: > > 1. Is the $3K or $30K CD transporter better than $20 CD drive in > pulling out the digital data from a CD? Is there any $1K CD drive for > Hi-Fi ripping? (I mean $1K for the CD drive itself not for the > automated machine.) > > 2. Is the loss of data in streaming or storing really significant? > Yeah... I see some digital cables priced over $1K. If so, the shorter > paths like the option 2 and 3 are supposed to be better than the option > 1. Is it true? > > 3. What makes the $3K transpoter worth other than the minimized loss > (if so) in its circutry? > 1. No. If a CD drive gives you a bit-perfect rip, it cannot get any better than that. You do need to use ripping software that can do bit-perfect rips if you want to ensure this (e.g., EAC, Dbpoweramp). 2. If you store lossless files, then there is no loss in storing. If you stream using a network protocol like TCP/IP, as you do with SqueezeCenter, then there is no loss in streaming to the transport. In general, any digital cable that is not broken will get all the bits from the transport to the DAC. However, spdif has an inherent weakness in that the clock signal is embedded in the data, and this can result in timing variations (jitter), depending upon the specific equipment involved. This may or may not be audible, depending upon your equipment, your listening environment, and your ears. There are numerous threads here devoted to explanations of jitter. 3. A very expensive transport may have better components, better power supplies, better engineering, or it may just have a higher price. It may go to greater lengths to minimize jitter, by using a master/slave clock, by avoiding spdif altogether, etc. Whether it is worth the $3k or $30k is very subjective. I can think of better ways to spend my money. :) If it is a CD player, and has to read the physical disc every time, there is always a potential for read errors and data interpolation/extrapolation, which does constitute data loss. In this respect, an accurate rip stored in a lossless format is a better read. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50690 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a better CD drive make better sound?
smarco;326191 Wrote: > > 1. Is the $3K or $30K CD transporter better than $20 CD drive in > pulling out the digital data from a CD? Is there any $1K CD drive for > Hi-Fi ripping? (I mean $1K for the CD drive itself not for the > automated machine.) > Unlikely. The $20 CD drive has the luxury of being able to use AccurateRip, so that it can compare what it ripped to what others round the world ripped for that same CD. That way with the CD drive, as long as the CD is in the AccurateRip database, you can be sure that it has ripped the CD 100% accurately. The CD players don't have that luxury, you can never know how close to 100% accuracy they are getting (or at least not without using hardware/software to sample the digital output of a range of players). One thing that you can be sure of is that they won't be managing to recover 100% of the data on every track they play. To know that you are ripping 100% accurately, at the moment that means using EAC + AccurateRip or dBPowerAmp. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50690 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a better CD drive make better sound?
To my ears rips at 4x with a Plextor Premium (and to a certain extent Premium2) sound better than anything else. Be aware that rips with EAC are a lot inferior than those with Easy CD-DA (Easy CDDA set to C2 recognition ONLY). I did lots os ABx testing. With a Transponder you will hear the differences most certainly. -- michel michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50690 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a better CD drive make better sound?
I've read some online articles about this question and also a few threads in this forum. But, I couldn't get the point. :( I would appreciate it if anybody could give me an answer easy to understand. Let's assume some possible options. - 1. (a) a decent CD drive of PC - ripping ---> (b) digital data in HDD ---> SB3 or TP digital output (Let's think of only digital output here.) ---> DAC 2. (a), (b) same ---> MAC mini digital output ---> DAC 3. $100 CD player digital output ---> DAC 4. $3,000 CD transpoter ---> DAC - Here are my questions. 1. Is the $3K or $30K CD transporter better than $20 CD drive in pulling out the digital data from a CD? Is there any $1K CD drive for Hi-Fi ripping? (I mean $1K for the CD drive itself not for the automated machine.) 2. Is the loss of data in streaming or storing really significant? Yeah... I see some digital cables priced at over $1000. If so, the shorter paths like the option 2 and 3 are supposed to be better than the option 1. Is it true? 3. What makes the $3K transpoter worth other than the minimized loss (if so) in its circutry? I know my question might sound a little silly and the answer to my question could be "If you have $10million, just buy the $30K transporter and $2K IC cable to get 1/10 inch closer to the perfect world." But... I'm curious. :) -- smarco smarco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12178 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50690 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I use duet or marantz DAC?
Thank you for all the kind answers. As soon as Duet will arrive I'll try both configurations. -- capitano capitano's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50653 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Χ Ο Δ Ε (CODE) format
Nonreality;326100 Wrote: > Is it a pretty bridge? :) Yes, it's really quite lovely. It's a suspension bridge with large support beams, cantilevered trusses and extra large arches thus allowing the bridge to be lifted like a draw bridge or rotated completely out of the way. I know that such a bridge should not be possible but AutoCad, Photoshop and other computer aided design tools were employed during it's construction within the digital domain thus enabling the proper blending of all the contrasting elements, kind of like how the XO E System allows an mp3 file to sound better than a CD. It's all rather technical and well beyond the ability of many people to understand but, nonetheless, the bridge is still available. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49956 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
