Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
CPC;354132 Wrote: > Since you've never tested the TacT RCS 2.2X, this like most of your > statements, "Not to mince words," proves nothing. > > Has Phil Leigh contacted TacT's designer(Boz. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) on > this issue? > > What mode(2.2 or 2.0) is he operating the RCS in? > > What FS is the RCS output set to? > > Does the load impedance perfectly match the cable impedance Phil Leigh > is using? > > Is any of the signal being absorbed, and none of it reflected back to > the source? > > Has he tried Toslink between his SB3 and the TacT RCS? > > BTW- Isn't Phil Leigh the same guy who's post many times on this forum > that: > > "I think I've mentioned before that running the TACT in bypass (flat) > mode sounds identical to unplugging it completely from my > system...YMMV" I can't answer all of this now but: Toslink vs coax - no difference on the scope tried every FS-OUT - no difference on scope rcs is set to mode 2.0 (no sub is attached) - changing the mode makes no difference except to mono where the signal amplitude increases but stays the same shape. I will email Boz later tonight. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
opaqueice;354104 Wrote: > Feed the SB3 directly to your DAC. If the square waves are fine, that > proves it's the TACT that's the problem. > > Not to mince words, if they haven't they're incompetent (not the > reviewers, the designers). Since you've never tested the TacT RCS 2.2X, this like most of your statements, "Not to mince words," proves nothing. Has Phil Leigh contacted TacT's designer(Boz. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) on this issue? What mode(2.2 or 2.0) is he operating the RCS in? What FS is the RCS output set to? Does the load impedance perfectly match the cable impedance Phil Leigh is using? Is any of the signal being absorbed, and none of it reflected back to the source? Has he tried Toslink between his SB3 and the TacT RCS? BTW- Isn't Phil Leigh the same guy who's post many times on this forum that: "I think I've mentioned before that running the TACT in bypass (flat) mode sounds identical to unplugging it completely from my system...YMMV" -- CPC CPC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rescues masters: collector items!
Hey Nick - I've got albums by Shocking Blue, Golden Earring and Ekseption...what about Focus? (Akkerman again!) Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54269 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
DeVerm;354105 Wrote: > Phil, you had a square on that test-cd. Connect a cd-player with s/pdif > to the tact and see what happens with the square signal direcly from > CD. That also eliminates the lame comments like the SB is to blame. > > I should really read up on DSP's... I didn't realize the signal goes > through analog domain in there... > > Nick. Will try that...this testing seems to involve me borrowing all the equipment I got rid of when I got my SB :o) The SB comments are not from TACT themselves. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
opaqueice;354104 Wrote: > Feed the SB3 directly to your DAC. If the square waves are fine, that > proves it's the TACT that's the problem. > > > > Not to mince words, if they haven't they're incompetent (not the > reviewers, the designers). SB into DAC (no TACT) = "perfect" squarewave. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
Phil, you had a square on that test-cd. Connect a cd-player with s/pdif to the tact and see what happens with the square signal direcly from CD. That also eliminates the lame comments like the SB is to blame. I should really read up on DSP's... I didn't realize the signal goes through analog domain in there... Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
Phil Leigh;354010 Wrote: > Good question - so far nothing much other than suggestions that I should > upgrade my power supply (already done it) and I should concentrate on > getting low-jitter into the TACT. Also some subtle comments about the > SB not being a suitably low-jitter source for the TACT (which I don't > buy at the moment - I don't think this is jitter related and as Sean > says, it would have to be pretty gross correlated jitter to cause this > effect on the scope!). Feed the SB3 directly to your DAC. If the square waves are fine, that proves it's the TACT that's the problem. > You know what - I'm not sure they have tested it like this, nor has any > reviewer that I can track down. Or...if they have they aren't saying. Not to mince words, if they haven't they're incompetent (not the reviewers, the designers). -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rescues masters: collector items!
Themis;354032 Wrote: > Me too, I found plenty of things quite interesting , especially Golden > Earring. :) Ah, into Dutch music now heh ;-) The Mai Tai tracks are also Dutch, but these girls are of the Dutch-Surinam (now independant but most have Dutch pasports and live in Holland ;-) type, so nice South-American soul-disco. American readers must realize that most of this music is called post-disco dance/club music, although in Europe it was still called disco even though there wasn't any brass-section anymore etc. I think it's also called euro-disco but I'm not so sure on the genre-naming around the world. So you shouldn't read "disco" on European websites as the "Saturday Night Fever" kind of music. If you like rock music, the best from Holland is (in my preferred order): Herman Brood & the Wild Romance, Golden Earring, Anouk (very good, current), Brainbox (with Jan Akkerman, who even Eric Clapton etc. call the world's best guitar player!), Cuby & the Blizzards (with Herman Brood playing piano), Ekseption (progressive rock), Shocking Blue (song Venus), Vandenberg (hard rock). This is all with English lyrics, I don't like any Dutch lyrics bands. But if you're into rock, the Ben Liebrand sets are not really what you want. I'm all OT but as it's my thread: Ilse DeLange (Jazz/blues/soul) is *very* popular now with her new album (sold out in the USA already). Mathilde Santing & Rob Hoeke R&B band are/were other good Dutch bands. Most famous Dutch-American artists are Van Halen and Bruce Springsteen. If you're looking for any audiophile-grade releases of Dutch music, ask me because I know most. cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54269 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Loss from Ethernet Cable?
Die old thread! Note to those who are replying to a thread because it's year old content is germane... it's not, please don't. :) BTW Phil, I'm not really talking to you as you already posted your regrets. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Business Unit slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41268 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rescues masters: collector items!
Me too, I found plenty of things quite interesting , especially Golden Earring. :) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54269 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rescues masters: collector items!
Nice find. Despite the website being down ATM, I will revisit often; I would pay significant sums for discs of Talk Talk's later albums that sound half as good as they did on vinyl! -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Lowther Big Fun Horns with PM6As Living Voice OBX-R2s stuck in a corner looking lonely SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES Whoops I seem to have bought a record player... adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54269 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
opaqueice;354008 Wrote: > Is the TACT forum saying anything? Surely their engineers tested > squarewaves... Good question - so far nothing much other than suggestions that I should upgrade my power supply (already done it) and I should concentrate on getting low-jitter into the TACT. Also some subtle comments about the SB not being a suitably low-jitter source for the TACT (which I don't buy at the moment - I don't think this is jitter related and as Sean says, it would have to be pretty gross correlated jitter to cause this effect on the scope!). You know what - I'm not sure they have tested it like this, nor has any reviewer that I can track down. Or...if they have they aren't saying. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
Phil Leigh;353999 Wrote: > > What really bugs me is the asymmetry of the display. If this was an > analogue circuit you'd think "oh yeah, the power supply is sagging on > one leg"... but in the digital space this makes no sense to me! Is the TACT forum saying anything? Surely their engineers tested squarewaves... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
Just eliminated another variable: 1) 16-bit vs 24-bit files - no difference 2) downloaded another test tone generator (NCH) and that produces identical results to Audacity. I've done lots of googling and can find no reference to the AD1896 ASRC chip misbehaving itself in this way. That only leaves the surrounding TACT operating system as the source of the problem...or maybe, just maybe the bypass setting isn't quite as "bypass" as it might be? Next step is to try and digitally record the SPDIF out of the TACT. I'll see if I can borrow some equipment... But - I'm pretty confident in the scope display right now. I agree this can't be jitter-related... at least not in the conventional sense. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] has anyone ever tried this?
TiredLegs;353944 Wrote: > Perhaps disconnecting the wired Ethernet removes a ground loop that was > causing low level noise? Well... the ethernet is supposed to be connected through a pulse transformer and there shouldn't be a ground connection - there certainly isn't in my system - I've checked. Investigation continues... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] has anyone ever tried this?
TiredLegs;353944 Wrote: > Perhaps disconnecting the wired Ethernet removes a ground loop that was > causing low level noise? Well... the ethernet is supposed to be connected through a pulse transformer and there shouldn't be a ground connection - there certainly isn't in my system - I've checked. Investigation continues... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] has anyone ever tried this?
Perhaps disconnecting the wired Ethernet removes a ground loop that was causing low level noise? -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC World - Audiophiles guide to streaming music
http://www.pcworld.com/article/152581/article.html?tk=nl_wbxhow SB, EAC, AccurateRip, etc. -- krochat -- Acourate -> Inguz DSP -> SB3 -> GW Labs DSP (96kHz upsampler) -> Apogee Big Ben -> TacT RCS 2.2X -> 2x TacT S2150 -> Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54294 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Looking at SPDIF with a scope...
seanadams;353797 Wrote: > It it went through ASRC then it has in fact been affected by the analog > domain. ASRC deals with two non-synchronized PCM signals, so variances > in the frequencies of the input relative to the output (an analog > quantity) will affect the data that is calculated - that's basically > the whole point of it. I suppose you're right - I should have said it never went through a D->A. Regardless, ASRC is supposed to clean up the signal, not distort it horribly. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53345 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hypersonic effect: high frequency spectrum listening experience
opaqueice wrote: > Robin Bowes;353543 Wrote: >> I didn't say individuals couldn't learn it - just that they either >> have >> >> it or not. >> > > Eh? C'mon, keep up. You said: > opaqueice wrote: >> Robin Bowes;353296 Wrote: >>> Absolute pitch is an ability that individuals either have or they >>> don't. Nothing "lucky" about it. >>> >> That's not quite true, actually - some people manage to learn it (I >> know someone that acquired perfect pitch only during composition >> school in his mid 20's). Personally I can "remember" a pitch for >> minutes, sometimes hours... but not permanently. To which I replied: > I didn't say individuals couldn't learn it - just that they either > have it or not. > > Either way, the point is luck doesn't come into the equation. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
