Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
honestguv;357694 Wrote: > > what exactly is a "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"? > > > Non-audiophile audio enthusiasts are those that are enthusiastic about > audio but reject audiophile beliefs in favour of scientific beliefs. > They are not large in number because it is hard to be an enthusiast > when modestly priced consumer goods are often as good as the exotica in > the most relevant parameters. The very large group that loves music, wants good sound quality but are not obsessed about it. The largest number of music lovers actually. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC World - Audiophiles guide to streaming music
To me EAC is not only a bit awkward, but also just a partial solution. dbPoweramp not only does accurate ripping, but comnverts to any format of choice reliably and *directly*. I settled on it a few versions ago, after going through the inevitable experimentation with EAC and winamp. I'll gladly pay dbPoweramp's moderate fee. Repeatedly - I believe in rewarding developers of great software, and dbPoweramp delivers right on. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54294 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rescues masters: collector items!
Phil Leigh;357670 Wrote: > OK - so this Kayak album that Clive "made" me buy... is interesting. > A cross between Alan Parsons Project, Jeff Wayne and some whacky 70's > prog musical - but fun! Was this available for dl too? Is your arm still hurting from the convincing? :) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54269 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
I think that new technologies are increasingly opening up a door to low cost, near audiophile experiences. Look at something like the Squeezeboom. I am not saying it is audiophile, but the quality of sound for less than $300 is amazing compared to what purist audiophiles (whose average age I would assume to be over 40 in average) grew up with. Let's face it, DSPs and software expertise are totally shifting some of the core values we were used to as audiophiles. It used to be about purist linearity, then it became about moderate correction when the sound threatened to become too digital, and now that correction and adaption can be achieved at a fraction of the price we were used to. The sooner we audiophile accept the more plebeian new age nature of the audiiophile experience, the less we will look like easily ridiculed dinosaurs in a few years. Software has utterly changed the game. And it is a good thing. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Skunk;357523 Wrote: > Just avoid attacking anyone ad hominemally and you shouldn't have to > worry about bans/warnings. > > It's pretty easy to play by these rules in real life, because someone > might knock your teeth out some day if you say the wrong thing. Under > the cloak of anonymity the tongue grows sharper. > > Considering that they let you have your political thread in General > discussion, I'd really say you're barking up the wrong tree here. Skunk, do you really think that I was starting a political thread with that? I really was just hoping that things get going better for you and me. I didn't mean to be political, I just want things to get better for my kids and your kids if you have them. I didn't mention any candidates or winners or losers or any agenda. It was quite an election and I really hope they all get it together for the US and the World. Maybe too simplistic I know, but I can still hope. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Phil Leigh;357660 Wrote: > Well... I'm a big John Fogerty fan, but I guess he's now persona non > grata at the White House? > Anyway - nothing wrong with your post! I like him too. But no big deal about the White House, most my favorites have been persona non grata for many a year. Luckily sometimes that is a badge of honor you know. :) and thanks my friend. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
My two cents worth...how long do you let your SB warm up before you listen? I noticed (or thought I did) that the longer my Duet receiver was on the better it sounded (or was it just my system warming up?). I left it powered up streaming FM overnight (with the rest of my rig off) and then listened the next day immediately after powering on my system. Voila! More tone, better bass and not as thin sounding. Tried turning it off and and leaving it on a couple more times to be sure the effect was on-time related. It is. So...you might try leaving the SB on and streaming between listening sessions. Might help. Pete -- Pete Fowler Pete Fowler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
"non-audiophile audio enthusiast"? Too poor to buy stuff he can brag about on this forum. bill -- Listener Listener's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
I understand the term audiophile (in its original and non-pejorative sense) to mean the aim of reproducing the original music performance/experience as closely as possible. An audio enthusiast is someone who enjoys the act of listening to and being affected by music and aims for a sound which is enjoyable at a subjective level. Within this context (also highly subjective, I accept), I would also say I'm a non-audiophile audio enthusiast... -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? "-Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...-" (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
Themis;357699 Wrote: > A "non audiophile audio enthusiast" is a young audio enthusiast. :) And therefore actuallly still have the hearing to hear subtle differences. I always find it amusing that Audiophilia tends to strike males just as their hearing starts fading. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
Hey Simon, I read in an earlier post of yours, that you use replaygain on your audio files. Just curious: Could that be at least part of the difference you are hearing, compared to your cd player? -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
A "non audiophile audio enthusiast" is a young audio enthusiast. :) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
pfarrell;357564 Wrote: > ashmore wrote: > > Is a DAC the addition to my system most likely to satisfy my > immediate > > 'need'? > > If so, is installation an easy - plug it in and off you go? > > And finally, within the £100 - £150 price range, what have people > found > > to be effective? > > Yes, yes and no. > > A great DAC will improve your system. But they cost $1000 on up. > Benchmark DAC-1 is a classic example. > > The DAC built into a SB3 is decent, as good as you should expect in a > $200 device, after all the SB3 is just a display, cpu and a $200 DAC. > > They are trivial to plug and play. > > But I have zero expectations that something in the £100 - £150 price > range will do any good. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/I can't agree more. It's crystal clear. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
Wow, what a response. Thank you all for your comments and views. I absolutely take the points made about the subjectivity of the listening experience. Much to ponder. Perhaps for now I shall shelve the DAC idea. However I will definitely consider the SPL meter/microphone route (I recall one poster describing his system after calibration as the difference between day and night). I'll scan the forums for pointers on how to implement. Thanks again Simon -- ashmore ashmore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
> what exactly is a "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"? An audio enthusiast that is not an audiophile. This of course rests on what is understood by the ambiguous word audiophile and I had assumed that the context made it clear how the word was being used. Clearly this was not the case at least for those commenting here. The audiophile market and it's consumers (audiophiles) are distinguished by a set of beliefs about sound, sound perception and how audio equipment functions that is in disagreement with long established scientific knowledge on the subject. The absence of one iota of evidence and the presence of one enormous amount of self interest in a luxury goods sector means that mainstream science/audio takes zero interest in the closed audiophile world. Non-audiophile audio enthusiasts are those that are enthusiastic about audio but reject audiophile beliefs in favour of scientific beliefs. They are not large in number because it is hard to be an enthusiast when modestly priced consumer goods are often as good as the exotica in the most relevant parameters. -- honestguv honestguv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13734 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
Stratmangler;357655 Wrote: > I run mine at 13.5v and it works just fine. You might well get away with that but there's basically three possible things going on (assuming you hear that it's better at higher voltage): 1. Your power supply can supply more wattage at the higher voltage and the DAC needs it (lows/bass should be where you hear that first). You could (should!) achieve the same with a 12V PSU that can supply more amps (= more wattage too) 2. The DAC has a voltage regulator with an output that's too close to the 12V input for it to function optimally. You will have the advantages and no negative side effects, life is good. 3. There's no voltage regulator in the DAC or not for all parts of the DAC (just like the Boom). Now, it's possible that an OP-AMP performs better at 13.5V and the OP-AMP is (should be or else it would be flawed if it performs better at too much voltage) designed to handle the higher voltage. The problem is that other parts will age quicker with the "too-high" voltage. This means you enjoy better sound but it will fail quicker. This might still not be very bad depending on the units price and the life-span you get out of it this way. cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rescues masters: collector items!
Phil Leigh;357670 Wrote: > OK - so this Kayak album that Clive "made" me buy... is interesting. > A cross between Alan Parsons Project, Jeff Wayne and some whacky 70's > prog musical - but fun! Now you really need to get Phantom of the Night too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_of_the_Night This is their most successful album I think and would have been a better start as the band was already very progressive in the 70's ;-) It's top and was even released in the US. cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54269 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rescues masters: collector items!
OK - so this Kayak album that Clive "made" me buy... is interesting. A cross between Alan Parsons Project, Jeff Wayne and some whacky 70's prog musical - but fun! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54269 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NEW RULES: RE:Behavior in this discussion area
pfarrell;357558 Wrote: > Nonreality wrote: > > What set this off? Just some examples so we know what heated stuff > is? > > I must have missed something. > > Wake up, and see recent postings. There was more than a little nasty > stuff. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ I'm usually awake when I read the forums. Sometimes a bit sleepy. Maybe you mean ignorant as in not seeing the light. I'll try harder to see it all now Pat. Thanks -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Nonreality;357652 Wrote: > I'm glad you understood exactly what I was saying to Marc, it wasn't an > attack in any way. As for my "Political" thread this was the post. > "What an election. Let's all hope the best for the USA shall we, and a > lot of good music. :)" I guess political but more of a statement and a > wish for things to be good. I guess that was way out there and will try > to refrain in the future. Well... I'm a big John Fogerty fan, but I guess he's now persona non grata at the White House? Anyway - nothing wrong with your post! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
I'm pretty sure most people love music and aren't hung up about ensuring they can hear the 3rd violinist pick their nose. Same as people who like movies can still enjoy them on their Standard Def TV, for 99 percent of the population good enough is as good as perfect. Yes, I am bitter about not having enough cash for a HDTV set and a better sound system :) -- Cabe Cabe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7487 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
pfarrell;357651 Wrote: > Phil Leigh wrote: > > what exactly is a "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"? > > I didn't use that, so I'm not sure what the OP meant. > > In this case, "audio" means "music" as opposed to video. > > But I can think of lots of folks that like music and don't care about > audiophile stuff. All the folks that say about pop music: "its got a > good beat" or folks who like folk music for the political comments. > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Pat - yeah that's fine, but I'm reasonably sure that's not what the OP was driving at... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"?
Phil Leigh wrote: > what exactly is a "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"? I didn't use that, so I'm not sure what the OP meant. In this case, "audio" means "music" as opposed to video. But I can think of lots of folks that like music and don't care about audiophile stuff. All the folks that say about pop music: "its got a good beat" or folks who like folk music for the political comments. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
signor_rossi;357630 Wrote: > On what assumption do you base this line? Isn't it harmful to feed it > more voltage? > > SignorRossi. I run mine at 13.5v and it works just fine. Chris -- Stratmangler Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
antonysc;357634 Wrote: > You might also look at the system you are using as I am running > Squeezecenter on Windows XP and Ubuntu, and despite many hours of > trying cannot get the Windows quality up to that of the Ubuntu system. erm - are you saying that the SOUND quality is different using Linux vs. Windows? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
antonysc;357634 Wrote: > You might also look at the system you are using as I am running > Squeezecenter on Windows XP and Ubuntu, and despite many hours of > trying cannot get the Windows quality up to that of the Ubuntu system. That certainly is configuration dependent. What format are your music files in? SignorRossi. -- signor_rossi signor_rossi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11941 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
DeVerm;357550 Wrote: > Marc, I've said this before elsewhere: this and most other forums are > not about being nice to you; posting means you can get critical > replies. When you don't want that, you should only tell/ask people who > love you or your wallet. > > Your example is clearly not a personal attack and will not lead to a > ban of Nonreality when you report it "next time". The post was critical > of your statement and asking you to substantiate it. He didn't call you > or anyone names. You were the one claiming in between the lines that > Express RIP is part of a "zombie network" or "botnet" without checking > it out first etc. That must've given the OP (beginner) the idea his PC > is now compromised or worse. > > Nonreality: The "new rules" are set off by this post: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=356728&postcount=16 > Further in that thread I asked Mike details and his answer means you > don't have to worry. I even tested walking the line a bit in the thread > and I'm still here ;-) > > cheers, > Nick. I'm glad you understood exactly what I was saying to Marc, it wasn't an attack in any way. As for my "Political" thread this was the post. "What an election. Let's all hope the best for the USA shall we, and a lot of good music. :)" I guess political but more of a statement and a wish for things to be good. I guess that was way out there and will try to refrain in the future. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
I have a pair of AVI ADM9.1's, which sound fantastic. Much cheaper than my old amp and speakers and sound better. Just been listening to them - a very powerful, detailed and natural sound. The built in DAC and pre-amp make for a very neat solution with a squeezebox classic. I also have a pair of Audioengine A2's for the bedroom - great value -- Mike69 Mike69's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7507 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
honestguv;357622 Wrote: > > Is External DAC What I'm Craving? > > Perhaps. It depends what gets you going. > > > Hello This is my first foray into the audiophile den. Go easy on me. > > You are considering adopting audiophile beliefs? > > > So I love the SB3. It's hooked up to a Rotel RA 05 + Quad 11L + a KEF > sub. But I notice from > > listening comparisons of CDs through a modest CD player that the SB3 > has less range than the > > CDs, particularly at the bass end of things, and to my ears sounds > 'thinner' somehow. > > Why? > > A non-audiophile audio enthusiast/professional would expect an SB3 and > a competent DVD/CD player playing the same source to sound the same in > a properly conducted listening test subject to all the hardware > functioning as intended. The weasel words give plenty of scope for > things to sound different and so your observations are not being > challenged. > > Audiophiles have a tendency to believe that pretty much everything > sounds different although they have so far failed to demonstrate it to > non-audiophile in listening tests conducted on non-audiophile terms. > > What/who to believe? > > > I've tweaked the bass with Inguz, but I can't help feeling that the > purist/consumerist in me > > is craving another solution. > > I do not understand the purist part. I can sympathise with the desire > to spend money on shiny hardware but it does seem to work for some > people. > > > I've heard the expression DAC around. I've read that you can get > something for £150 or so. > > And for more and for less. > > > Is a DAC the addition to my system most likely to satisfy my > immediate 'need'? > > Perhaps. It depends what gives your pleasure. > > > If so, is installation an easy - plug it in and off you go? > > Usually although you can sometimes get caught out by mixing consumer > and pro hardware. > > > And finally, within the £100 - £150 price range, what have people > found to be effective? > > I suspect that effective in my case might not map onto effective in > your case since if I had a correctly functioning SB3 I would not spend > £100-150 on a DAC to plug into it. what exactly is a "non-audiophile audio enthusiast"? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
You might also look at the system you are using as I am running Squeezecenter on Windows XP and Ubuntu, and despite many hours of trying cannot get the Windows quality up to that of the Ubuntu system. -- antonysc antonysc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21015 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
Stratmangler;357623 Wrote: > > It performs better still with the PSU set to to 13.5v than at the 12v > indicated by the power input. > Chris On what assumption do you base this line? Isn't it harmful to feed it more voltage? SignorRossi. -- signor_rossi signor_rossi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11941 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
Another DAC to consider is the Beresford - not expensive, and, with a beefier PSU (SMPS switchable voltage from Maplin)really performs well. It performs better still with the PSU set to to 13.5v than at the 12v indicated by the power input. I believe it has just been improved again too (the designer constantly tweaks the DAC to improve performance further). http://www.beresford.me/others/main.html Chris -- Stratmangler Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
> Is External DAC What I'm Craving? Perhaps. It depends what gets you going. > Hello This is my first foray into the audiophile den. Go easy on me. You are considering adopting audiophile beliefs? > So I love the SB3. It's hooked up to a Rotel RA 05 + Quad 11L + a KEF sub. But I notice from > listening comparisons of CDs through a modest CD player that the SB3 has less range than the > CDs, particularly at the bass end of things, and to my ears sounds 'thinner' somehow. Why? A non-audiophile audio enthusiast/professional would expect an SB3 and a competent DVD/CD player playing the same source to sound the same in a properly conducted listening test subject to all the hardware functioning as intended. The weasel words give plenty of scope for things to sound different and so your observations are not being challenged. Audiophiles have a tendency to believe that pretty much everything sounds different although they have so far failed to demonstrate it to non-audiophile in listening tests conducted on non-audiophile terms. What/who to believe? > I've tweaked the bass with Inguz, but I can't help feeling that the purist/consumerist in me > is craving another solution. I do not understand the purist part. I can sympathise with the desire to spend money on shiny hardware but it does seem to work for some people. > I've heard the expression DAC around. I've read that you can get something for £150 or so. And for more and for less. > Is a DAC the addition to my system most likely to satisfy my immediate 'need'? Perhaps. It depends what gives your pleasure. > If so, is installation an easy - plug it in and off you go? Usually although you can sometimes get caught out by mixing consumer and pro hardware. > And finally, within the £100 - £150 price range, what have people found to be effective? I suspect that effective in my case might not map onto effective in your case since if I had a correctly functioning SB3 I would not spend £100-150 on a DAC to plug into it. -- honestguv honestguv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13734 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
I've not heard it myself, but there are a couple of threads around here discussing a new DAC by Cambridge Audio, priced at £200 and called the DacMagic, which some people are reporting works wonders with the SB without breaking the bank. Might be worth a look? -- SomeChap Composer-> Conductor-> Singer/Player/Instrument-> Room acoustics-> Mic-> Mixing desk-> Engineer's aural abilities/prejudice/mood-> ADC-> DAT/HDD-> Cubase/Nuendo/Whatever-> Editor's soundcard/DAC-> amplifier-> speakers-> studio acoustics-> Editor's aural abilities/prejudice/mood-> Editing-> DSP effects-> Downsampling/Downmixing-> Wav-> CD-> Laptop CD tray-> EAC-> FLAC-> SBR-> Cambridge DacMagic-> NAD Amp-> Tannoy Mercury F1-> Room acoustics-> My aural abilities/prejudice/mood. Simple. SomeChap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
SuperQ;357592 Wrote: > One of the more common troubles with the SB3 when comparing to other > DACs in devices like a CD player or other streaming device is level > matching. It may be as simple as the voltage output of the CD player > is higher than your SB3. It may be a very slight difference, but you > will only be able to tell if used a SPL meter. > > That's probably the best use of £100, getting an SPL meter. Absolutely agree. Don't forget a good test-CD for the measurements. ciao! Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
and, which sub? -- htrd Toby Dickenson Search eBay for music matching your last.fm profile; www.exitahead.co.uk htrd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
ashmore wrote: > So I love the SB3. It's hooked up to a Rotel RA 05 + Quad 11L + a KEF > sub. Hi, I'm using a SB3, Rotel RA01 + Focal bookshelf speakers, and Rythmik sub. Not too dissimilar. > But I notice from listening comparisons of CDs through a modest CD > player that the SB3 has less range than the CDs, particularly at the > bass end of things, and to my ears sounds 'thinner' somehow. > Incidentally, I do use FLAC. If your concern is the bass response, have you spent any time tweaking your sub setup (crossover, phase, and room placement) for a flat in-room frequency response? If not, this should be your first stop. If you havent done this before there are plenty of good guides on other subwoofer forums - usually oriented to home cinema performance but the same principles apply to hifi. The tools should be well under your budget. You will need either an SPL meter or measurement microphone, and plenty of time. The SPL meter will be slight cheaper, but the measurement microphone but will then let you use the Inguz plugin's room correction. This may be the best *and* cheapest upgrade you ever make. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
SuperQ;357592 Wrote: > One of the more common troubles with the SB3 when comparing to other > DACs in devices like a CD player or other streaming device is level > matching. It may be as simple as the voltage output of the CD player > is higher than your SB3. It may be a very slight difference, but you > will only be able to tell if used a SPL meter. > > That's probably the best use of £100, getting an SPL meter. That's really excellent advice and you can get one for £70 or pick up a good multimeter (e.g. Fluke) from eBay - they can set levels really accurately measuring a sine wave across the speaker terminals - oh the hours of fun you will have! Seriously, it's very hard to make comparative judgements if the levels aren't matched - the human brain is almost programmed to prefer the slightly louder sound. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
One of the more common troubles with the SB3 when comparing to other DACs in devices like a CD player or other streaming device is level matching. It may be as simple as the voltage output of the CD player is higher than your SB3. It may be a very slight difference, but you will only be able to tell if used a SPL meter. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
pfarrell;357131 Wrote: > cbemoore wrote: > > I'm amazed no-one's mentioned Mackie monitors yet. I've got a set of > > HR624's, and they're absolutely fantastic. > > I have a paid of HR828 and they are fantastic. But, they are not > cheap, > mine were about $1200 for the pair. They are pretty ugly, they are > fine > for my recording studio, but way too ugly for my wife's approval. > > And the big thing: they are studio monitors. They aim to reveal what > the > music sounds like. They do not hide anything with warmth. So its like > watching HD TV with an older news anchor, where the age lines and > wrinkles that you never saw on regular TV are now clear and easy to > see. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ I paid $600.00 (+$250.00 to ship them) for a pair of Meridian DSP-5000's MK-I's and they include internal DACs so you connect the speakers with the digital output of the squeezebox. They have digital crossovers and are internally tri-amped and they look nice to boot :) I didn't pay $600.00 for the pair below but this is similar to what they look like and sound like. http://softronix.com/pictures/dsp5000/IMG_1691.JPG -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP 6000, 5500HC, 33 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP 5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP 5000 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
ashmore;357559 Wrote: > I've heard the expression DAC around. I've read that you can get > something for £150 or so. > > I have three questions: > Is a DAC the addition to my system most likely to satisfy my immediate > 'need'? > If so, is installation an easy - plug it in and off you go? > And finally, within the £100 - £150 price range, what have people found > to be effective? Hi Simon, You should realize that you already have some DAC's: one in your CD player and another one in the SB. You obviously prefer the sound from the one in your CD player. If you want an external DAC, you should make sure that the actual DAC chip in it is better than the one in your SB and at least as good as the one in your CD player. If it isn't, you might take a step back instead of forward or it'll still be not as good as your cd player sounds. Some will disagree with me here and tell you that an external DAC that has a chip that's not as good as the one in your SB will actually improve the sound. This is because we're talking about something subjective here, so opinions about what sounds better logically differ. My background is electronics and I can tell you the following with confidence: 1. A good DAC chip can give bad sound when the implementation of it (the electronics design around the chip) is not done right. 2. A good DAC chip in a good external DAC design will always sound better than a chip with lesser spec's. The main thing is that the DAC chips in the SB's aren't too bad... they are considered good, but they aren't high end (that's Transporter territory). There's a good chance that your SB's DAC is better than the one in your CD player. So, my advise is to put that 150.- aside in a jar labeled "DAC". Next time you think about buying an external DAC for 150.-, add it to the jar instead. 3rd time you think about it, add again and start searching for DAC's in that price-range, don't forget eBay etc. Also, you might want to think about an "amp" jar and a "speakers" jar because you will run into the situation that they end up being the weak link. cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
I tried a Shek DAC, which cost a bit over £150 IIRC, and it certainly changed the sound; it soundstaged better and was smoother, but lacked a bit of punch. If that's the kind of change you want, it can help. I'm now trying an Ack DAC, which seems very good. I got it used for £140 (retail in the UK is £750!), and it is a real step up from the SB3; in many ways it is better than my SB+. IMO you probably need to spend a bit more, but keeping track of ebay can be worthwhile... -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Lowther Big Fun Horns with PM6As Living Voice OBX-R2s stuck in a corner looking lonely SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES Whoops I seem to have bought a record player... adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
Hello This is my first foray into the audiophile den. Go easy on me. So I love the SB3. It's hooked up to a Rotel RA 05 + Quad 11L + a KEF sub. But I notice from listening comparisons of CDs through a modest CD player that the SB3 has less range than the CDs, particularly at the bass end of things, and to my ears sounds 'thinner' somehow. Incidentally, I do use FLAC. I've tweaked the bass with Inguz, but I can't help feeling that the purist/consumerist in me is craving another solution. I've heard the expression DAC around. I've read that you can get something for £150 or so. I have three questions: Is a DAC the addition to my system most likely to satisfy my immediate 'need'? If so, is installation an easy - plug it in and off you go? And finally, within the £100 - £150 price range, what have people found to be effective? Thanks in advance. Simon -- ashmore ashmore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?
ashmore wrote: > Is a DAC the addition to my system most likely to satisfy my immediate > 'need'? > If so, is installation an easy - plug it in and off you go? > And finally, within the £100 - £150 price range, what have people found > to be effective? Yes, yes and no. A great DAC will improve your system. But they cost $1000 on up. Benchmark DAC-1 is a classic example. The DAC built into a SB3 is decent, as good as you should expect in a $200 device, after all the SB3 is just a display, cpu and a $200 DAC. They are trivial to plug and play. But I have zero expectations that something in the £100 - £150 price range will do any good. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Nonreality wrote: > We really don't need an overseer. We argue, we fight, we throw facts > and illusions back and forth. We can report real problems but the > powers that be usually ignore that anyway. Civil discussion, reasoned disagreements, etc. are fine. You seem to have missed a number of recent posts with words like "idiot" and other personal insults that have nothing to do with civil discourse. Its clear that rules are needed. The rules are not saying: No discussion of the theology of ABX testing. Or double blind testing. They say no personal attacks and insults. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NEW RULES: RE:Behavior in this discussion area
Nonreality wrote: > What set this off? Just some examples so we know what heated stuff is? > I must have missed something. Wake up, and see recent postings. There was more than a little nasty stuff. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Mark Lanctot;357526 Wrote: > You should be, this was completely uncalled-for: > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=357500&postcount=5 > > I like to think I help out a lot on these forums and your comment was > very rude. > > Next time I won't be so nice, I will consider it a personal attack. Marc, I've said this before elsewhere: this and most other forums are not about being nice to you; posting means you can get critical replies. When you don't want that, you should only tell/ask people who love you or your wallet. Your example is clearly not a personal attack and will not lead to a ban of Nonreality when you report it "next time". The post was critical of your statement and asking you to substantiate it. He didn't call you or anyone names. You were the one claiming in between the lines that Express RIP is part of a "zombie network" or "botnet" without checking it out first etc. That must've given the OP (beginner) the idea his PC is now compromised or worse. Nonreality: The "new rules" are set off by this post: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=356728&postcount=16 Further in that thread I asked Mike details and his answer means you don't have to worry. I even tested walking the line a bit in the thread and I'm still here ;-) cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Skunk;357527 Wrote: > I don't think so, but you could pull out the inverse ad hominem: > > "he has spent a fortune on that stereo, so I believe him when he says > the cables make a difference" LOL, excellent suggestion. Under dictatorial regimes the rabble must find subtle ways of expressing themselves :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
tomjtx;357524 Wrote: > Can we attack someone minus hominemally ? I don't think so, but you could pull out the inverse ad hominem: "he has spent a fortune on that stereo, so I believe him when he says the cables make a difference" -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Nonreality;357493 Wrote: > With your new rules I'm afraid I'll say something that will get me > banned without meaning to have that cause. You should be, this was completely uncalled-for: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=357500&postcount=5 I like to think I help out a lot on these forums and your comment was very rude. Next time I won't be so nice, I will consider it a personal attack. -- Mark Lanctot Current: SB2, Transporter, Boom (PQP3 - late beta) Stored: Boom (PQP1 - early beta), SBC (beta - no battery) Sold: SB3, Duet Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Can we attack someone minus hominemally ? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Nonreality;357493 Wrote: > You will never have good forums by being repressive with threats and > banning. Where does it end? If we say something bad about the program > are we at risk? This is the start of the end. Just avoid attacking anyone ad hominemally and you shouldn't have to worry about bans/warnings. It's pretty easy to play by these rules in real life, because someone might knock your teeth out some day if you say the wrong thing. Under the cloak of anonymity the tongue grows sharper. Considering that they let you have your political thread in General discussion, I'd really say you're barking up the wrong tree here. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Nonreality wrote: > We really don't need an overseer. We argue, we fight, we throw facts > and illusions back and forth. We can report real problems but the > powers that be usually ignore that anyway. I'm not sure what prompted > this but it's not needed to threaten everyone like you have. > Discussions get heated sometimes and that is alright I think. We > really don't need a big brother unless we call you. Let's keep this a > free flowing exchange of ideas with some heated exchanges being > alright. With your new rules I'm afraid I'll say something that will > get me banned without meaning to have that cause. Go back to improving > the programs we pay for... We don't pay for the software - it's opensource. > ...and let us be until we have need to call you my > friends. You will never have good forums by being repressive with > threats and banning. Where does it end? If we say something bad about > the program are we at risk? This is the start of the end. Ha ha ha ha ha... R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
We really don't need an overseer. We argue, we fight, we throw facts and illusions back and forth. We can report real problems but the powers that be usually ignore that anyway. I'm not sure what prompted this but it's not needed to threaten everyone like you have. Discussions get heated sometimes and that is alright I think. We really don't need a big brother unless we call you. Let's keep this a free flowing exchange of ideas with some heated exchanges being alright. With your new rules I'm afraid I'll say something that will get me banned without meaning to have that cause. Go back to improving the programs we pay for and let us be until we have need to call you my friends. You will never have good forums by being repressive with threats and banning. Where does it end? If we say something bad about the program are we at risk? This is the start of the end. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC World - Audiophiles guide to streaming music
kjg;356163 Wrote: > Mark Lanctot wrote: > > Nonreality;355413 Wrote: > >> It could have at least mentioned dbpoweramp > > > > Agreed, although there are more than just those two, and the article > > shouldn't have to go on for 20 pages... > > > >> and a better overall ripper and converter than EAC. > > > > That's a subjective opinion though. > > > > Actually, Illustrate makes this claim, and from their perspective it's > not entirely subjective. > > http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm Actually I made that claim. They own the accurate rip system and I feel dbpoweramp is by far the better of the two. Eac is very good though and if you don't want to pay for dbpoweramp then EAC is the way to go. I've used both quite a bit and that is my opinion. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54294 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
