Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Finally bought some new speakers

2008-11-21 Thread svtcontour

Congrats :)   I've got a pair of red ones and I couldnt be happier. I
listened to a lot of small speakers up to about $1000 a pair and IMO
the little S-520 are better than speakers easily 2x their price.

What I love most is the fluid midrange and delicate top end. I dont
find them overly bright either and in a small room, bass is
surprisingly extended. I cant think of anything I dont like about them.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?

2008-11-21 Thread wolfzell


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Question: Direct to power amp?

- Yes
- No


Sorry, but the way the question is worded now, I am afraid that the
result will not make a lot of sense.

Answering correct to your question, I voted "No", because I have
passive attenuators soldered in my plugs right at the power amps. 

But for me this is nevertheless a direct connection from the
transporter to the power amp, so voting with "no" just because of the
attenuators feels totally wrong.

bye
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?

2008-11-21 Thread Shredder


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Question: Direct to power amp?

- Yes
- No


To me, through an attenuator is direct to power because no pre is used.
I can't imagine too many people go from the SB/TP to power w/o some
attenuation as most would be way too loud. Perhaps, two questions are
in order: direct into power w/no pre, but attenuation  and direct w/no
pre or attenuation.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linear PS with Power Console?

2008-11-21 Thread tomjtx

About 2 years ago
I "heard" a difference in my SB3 when I plugged the WW into my power
conditioner as opposed to the wall outlet.

It seemed to effect the same improvement I
"heard"  using the linear PSU I had bought.

I am unwilling to argue that this wasn't placebo because I didn't do
this particular comparo blind.

However the improvement seemed pretty obvious and that's why I didn't
bother with blind testing.

I concluded I didn't need the linear PSU if I had a good power
conditioner.

If I had to do the comparo again blind I don't know if I would hear a
diff.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?

2008-11-21 Thread Labarum


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Question: Direct to power amp?

- Yes
- No


Like another poster I use an upgraded Quad 405-2 which has had its input
sensitivity decreased.

I drive the 405 from the variable output of my Beresford DAC. I adjust
the volume pot on the Beresford to a suitable volume with the SB volume
at about 85%. That gives me room for adjustment when sitting in
comfort.

I flip the volume right down for adverts on commercial radio - and
clearly I am not interested in quality at that time - only in knowing
when to turn the volume up again.

Sometimes I turn down an irritating or loud announcer!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?

2008-11-21 Thread Pneumonic


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Question: Direct to power amp?

- Yes
- No


Surprisingly (to me anyway) the Y's lead the N's 14-6. 

I'm wondering how many of those who voted with a Y did so even though
they run through an attenuator and not direct to the power amp? How
many of those who voted with a Y wish to retract their vote and go N?


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Modwright Sony SCD 777ES
Sonic Frontiers SFL-2 Pre
S.A.R. Labs MOS 450 Power
Martin Logan CLS II Speakers

Office:

Squeezebox 3 > COEM Lite Audio DAC AH
McCormack TLC-1 Pre
Sonic Frontiers SFS80 Power
Elipson Circee Speakers

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is External DAC What I'm Craving?

2008-11-21 Thread darrenyeats

ashmore;357559 Wrote: 
> So I love the SB3. It's hooked up to a Rotel RA 05 + Quad 11L + a KEF
> sub. But I notice from listening comparisons of CDs through a modest CD
> player that the SB3 has less range than the CDs, particularly at the
> bass end of things, and to my ears sounds 'thinner' somehow.
> 
> I've tweaked the bass with Inguz, but I can't help feeling that the
> purist/consumerist in me is craving another solution. 
> 
SuperQ;357592 Wrote: 
> That's probably the best use of £100, getting an SPL meter.
DeVerm;357606 Wrote: 
> Absolutely agree. Don't forget a good test-CD for the measurements.
> 
ashmore;357695 Wrote: 
> 
> I absolutely take the points made about the subjectivity of the
> listening experience.
> 
I agree an SPL meter/test CD is essential for purchasing-decision
comparisons. If you're comparing bass you will notice the same bass
played louder sounds more impactful and deeper somehow. Also (as with
other parts of the frequency spectrum) distorted bass can paradoxically
seem to have more 'impact' than clean unclipped bass. But comparing
apples with apples in terms of loudness is essential.

In the scheme of things changing your source is not the right thing to
do to improve bass. You're already using Inguz, done properly you can
improve the bass greatly with this. I use 12 bands up to 125Hz (nothing
above that) - Inguz does a great job of fine adjustments to get a more
even bass response. You will notice some 'great bass tracks' not
sounding so great with flat bass response. Some others will sound more
amazing. But you will notice music in general sounding better, drums
and bass guitar get separated and everything sounds a little more
realistic. Depends what you're after. You're limited by the speakers
(or sub) in the end though.

A new source won't give you that big advance. The SB3 is pretty good -
especially once you take into account the distinction between a
difference and an improvement.
Darren


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linear PS with Power Console?

2008-11-21 Thread amatala

Hello,

Currently I am using my Squeezebox3 with the standard PS connected to a
Belkin PF50 power console:

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=250844#

I am using the digital outputs of the SB connected to an external DAC.

The system sounds great as it is now and the Power Console already made
a huge improvement in definition, instrument separation, aeration and
bass impact.


In this situation do you think it would be still worth considering
replacing the standard PS of the SB with a Linear PS?

Thanks for any input!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Economist Article: Analogue or Digital

2008-11-21 Thread funkstar

Nonreality;362099 Wrote: 
> I agree with you.  I don't buy the "gun to the head" argument anymore as
> it's more of just not knowing better as the promotion team tells you
> that "louder is better" and it's up to you to believe it or not.  I
> hope that musicians start taking matters into their own hands and put a
> stop to this madness. I think Themis had the key in that all musicians
> are not musicians.
Someone brought this up in an earlier discussion on this subject but I
think it's worth repeating. On their newest album (that won the Mercury
Music Prize) they state that the album has be mastered at a lower volume
than most and you should just turn it up a bit.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45094


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Economist Article: Analogue or Digital

2008-11-21 Thread Nonreality

cliveb;361068 Wrote: 
> A few years ago I would have agreed with you. But I fear that we've
> fallen off the cliff recently. The race for loudness at any cost seems
> to have become recording industry dogma (at least in the pop & rock
> world). I get the uneasy impression that there are a large number of
> so-called engineers who actually believe that the way it's done these
> days is how it should be.
> 
> And why do I believe this? Loudness for its own sake is really only
> relevant in the mass market, where attention-grabbing radio play is
> required. But every single "remaster" of old obscure albums that will
> NEVER get radio play has the same treatment. Sure, they haven't been
> "Metallica'd", but they are over-compressed nevertheless. If the
> engineers responsible really understand the damage it causes, then
> considering the marketplace for these releases, the damage would not
> get done. But it does.
> 
> There is the beginnings of a backlash - reactions to Death Magnetic
> being the most famous recent example. But I fear that even if the
> message gets through, the compression will only be backed off a
> smidgen. We'll never get back to realistic dynamics until the RMS
> levels of rock & pop releases go down a full 10dB or so.

I agree with you.  I don't buy the "gun to the head" argument anymore
as it's more of just not knowing better as the promotion team tells you
that "louder is better" and it's up to you to believe it or not.  I hope
that musicians start taking matters into their own hands and put a stop
to this madness. I think Themis had the key in that all musicians are
not musicians.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound of Ripped CDs not good, what do I do?

2008-11-21 Thread Nonreality

honestguv;360698 Wrote: 
> If you prefer the sound of processed music as indicated by your
> preference for valve amplifiers and the sound of internet radio then I
> would suggest obtaining some suitable software and learning how to use
> it. I would also suggest keeping your FLAC files unprocessed and
> creating processed MP3s because experience suggests that ones taste
> often changes with time. What is initially impressive often becomes
> fatiguing with more familiarity.

I love the way you put all that. :)


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