Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
pfarrell;385012 Wrote: > Phil Leigh wrote: > > Not really hardcore nearfield though...not perched on the console > :o) > > perching nearfields on the console bridge is evil. Causes reflections > from the surface and sliders, etc. Do not do it. Even if it is shown > in > all the magazines > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ I know... see that little smiley thing? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
bludragon;383985 Wrote: > I'm curious to know if anyone has been able to directly compare some > studio monitors against similarly priced consumer gear in the same > room. > > I already have a good DAC and am currently trying to decide between > something like the Dynaudio BM6A MkII or a power (or integrated) amp > and speakers. Best candidate there so far are some B&W 683 or 684 > floorstanding speakers plus a rotel power amp (RB-1050 or RB-1070). In my experience, it came down to hifi speakers sounding "great" versus monitors sounding "accurate". That is what each is designed to do, so no surprises there. I found studio monitors to be too directional for living room use as well, even the "midfield" ones. Some monitors had unacceptable tweeter hiss as well, including the dynaudios. My favorite monitors however, for what it's worth, were the dynaudios you mentioned - but still no match for a good set of consumer separates (not even close). Good luck with your ideas - I predict it will probably just come down to your personal listening preference, and whether you are willing to trade the audible (and visual) benefits of separates against the convenience of monitors. But we shall see (assuming you post back please with your own findings)! :) -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Hello all, I have been very happy with my current SB3 since i got it in the fall. I fell upon an opportunity to pick up a reasonably priced Transporter to replace the SB3. My situation is this, I read and read that one group of people believe a better DAC will be noticeable in a mid-upper level system, while others believe a DAC is a DAC, they all do the same and sound the same. I plan to test both while there in my setup but i am seeking some opinions. As a reference point my setup is this: Ascend Sierras for main speakers Proceed Amp3 for fronts Proceed Preamp Oppo 980 SB3 The oppo & SB3 DAC's are in use due to the analog preamp. So ultimately I am wondering will the Transporter be an improvement over the DAC's in each of my current pieces being it can use its own for streaming files & other digital inputs. I just wanted to hear some thoughts before it arrives. Thanks guys! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
Thanks for sharing! My vote goes to the Adam A5 for small powered speakers. Class above the Audio Note. -- tricka Transporter +/- Lavry DA 10 - LFD Zero - Harbeth C7 es3's "Harbethed" and lovin it tricka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11614 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
Yup agree with all that has been said. By "near field" I meant not the other side of the room - although obviously they can be set up this way. You are so right - the room/speaker interaction is everything - which is why monitors can get fatiguing in a domestic environment. Not many of us have the luxury of a true dedicated high end listening room. I actually rather like active speakers - but again as Darrel Yeates says - it all depends. +1 on the Linkwitz Orions. Bastani's a close second. But you do need space for them (not suitable for small apartments). Incidentally the BBC get their monitors from a bunch of folk - Harbeth,DynAudio, PMC to name 3. The BBC aren't exclusive to one outfit. Depends who and what for. I would add that a relative newbie into hi fi is generally far better off with speakers designed for a domestic environment than those designed for studio monitor applications, amplification aside. What I really want is a pair of active harbeth SHL5's he he. -- tricka Transporter +/- Lavry DA 10 - LFD Zero - Harbeth C7 es3's "Harbethed" and lovin it tricka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11614 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
Well there are some interesting links at the bottom of this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor Particularly the sound on sound comparison from which I conclude that the design goals are essentially the same but consumer speakers do relatively better because they are updated more frequently. This would still appear to apply to more upto date speakers. From what I can tell, the Dynaudio BM 6A mk II speakers I was looking at are based on an older design than the newly introduced excite series, which may put them at a disadvantage. However, with active speakers there is definatly an engineering advantage. Firstly having an active crossover seems like it should be a significant electrical advantage, while removing the passive crossover and the amplifier casing and packaging should prove to be cost advantages. In the case of the BM 6A mk II, it would also appear dynaudio have taken the opportunity to extend the bass response by 3db by having 2x the amp power for the woofer than the tweeter. I really would love to have the opportunity to listen to some studio monitors and consumer gear in the same room so I could make my own mind up, but I can't see an easy way to do that... -- bludragon bludragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1530 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I use replaygain ?
thanx for the advice ^^ I'll probably test it out once I receive my SB3. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't too harmful for the sound quality before spending the night scanning my collection (well I won't sit in front of the computer, but still ^^), And you're right, I didn't think about the fact that I could turn it on or off very easily from the SB itself =) -- BlueScreenJunky BlueScreenJunky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58274 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Difference Duet/SB3 vs. cd transport
But in my experience, consumption of too *many* alcoholic refreshments dulls the hearing considerably, to the point of continuously needing to turn up the volume until even i realize I just need to turn it off and go to bed! -- sc53 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I use replaygain ?
slimpy;384886 Wrote: > > You should try for yourself. > Best bit of advice about replay gain !! It is totally reversible if you do not like the results as all you are doing is altering/adding tag data. I personally apply Album Gain across my whole collection (Monkeymedia for the flac and iVolume for iTunes/mp3) -- Blisteringblue 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/blisteringblue) Blisteringblue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58274 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
Phil Leigh wrote: > Not really hardcore nearfield though...not perched on the console :o) perching nearfields on the console bridge is evil. Causes reflections from the surface and sliders, etc. Do not do it. Even if it is shown in all the magazines -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
Phil Leigh;384998 Wrote: > Indeed, one of the main ones being the removal of the passive crossover > that can suck the pace, life and power out of the music and letting the > amps really "grip" the speaker drivers via correctly sloped active > filters... oh and you get more volume for our watts! +1 yes indeed. This doesn't mean all active systems are better than all passive systems, but it does mean they have an inherent advantage and the potential for higher performance assuming everything else is up to scratch. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz -> Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) -> PMC AB-1 Dell laptop -> JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
JezA;384980 Wrote: > As far as the O/P is concerned, I don't know the Dynaudios, but the > company recently won the competition to suppy the BBC with monitors, so > that's a good start - definitely worth short-listing. Balanced inputs, > response-trim - all you need is a Transporter or a pre-amp with > balanced out and you've got what could be a great system. Get some > decent (high) stands, listen to them on axis fairly near-field. No > amp/speaker matching issues, no speaker cables .. what could be easier. > All other things being equal (and they aren't always) an active speaker > has overwhelming advantages over a passive one. Indeed, one of the main ones being the removal of the passive crossover that can suck the pace, life and power out of the music and letting the amps really "grip" the speaker drivers via correctly sloped active filters... oh and you get more volume for our watts! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
My PMCs are studio speakers too, in fact I bought them from a recording studio. :) I have friends used to B&Ws and they both say they prefer the brighter B&W presentation. One of them's a bass fiend and he doesn't like the bass on the PMCs either, but he admits that they do "on certain tracks only" show they go low enough and that they "love real instruments". The other guy has a much better B&W system and he's critical too (!) but he admits they provide more detail than his system. I think the point is that studio monitors don't make everything sound "nice" in a samey way (for example I can remember Mercy Street by Peter Gabriel sounding a lot lot nicer on some Epos speakers another friend had) but they let you hear the differences between good and iffy recordings. Having said that there is very little in terms of recording quality that puts me off listening entirely. Listening to demo tracks is boring. :^) Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz -> Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) -> PMC AB-1 Dell laptop -> JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
As far as the O/P is concerned, I don't know the Dynaudios, but the company recently won the competition to suppy the BBC with monitors, so that's a good start - definitely worth short-listing. Balanced inputs, response-trim - all you need is a Transporter or a pre-amp with balanced out and you've got what could be a great system. Get some decent (high) stands, listen to them on axis fairly near-field. No amp/speaker matching issues, no speaker cables .. what could be easier. All other things being equal (and they aren't always) an active speaker has overwhelming advantages over a passive one. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
JezA;384921 Wrote: > You'd be surprised how close to the near-field people (including me) use > the big ATCs like 100s and 150s. Anything over about 4'to 5' is fine. > Checkout some of the pictures here, particularly the WGBH studio, 2nd > item down: > > http://www.atc.gb.net/news.htm > > or here: (esp 5th, 8th, 9th and 13th images) > > http://www.atc.gb.net/gallery.htm > > It's keeping them away from walls and floors that is the important > thing. Nice pics! Not really hardcore nearfield though...not perched on the console :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
cliveb;384818 Wrote: > I see this statement (that studio monitors are for near-field) repeated > on a regular basis. Can we please nail this myth once and for all? Some > studio monitors are designed for near-field. Others are not. Try using a > pair of ATC SCM300's as near-field monitors and see how far you get. You'd be surprised how close to the near-field people (including me) use the big ATCs like 100s and 150s. Anything over about 4'to 5' is fine. Checkout some of the pictures here, particularly the WGBH studio, 2nd item down: http://www.atc.gb.net/news.htm or here: (esp 5th, 8th, 9th and 13th images) http://www.atc.gb.net/gallery.htm It's keeping them away from walls and floors that is the important thing. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I use replaygain ?
BlueScreenJunky;384881 Wrote: > I have never read anything about it, but isn't replaygain a bad thing as > far as sound quality is concerned ? Since it involves reducing the > volume, there is necessarily some loss of information somewhere, so I > guess it would be a better idea to always play at the maximum volume > and adjust your amp... > > So, what do you guys (and girls) think ? Does replaygain reduce sound > quality ? if so, is it noticeable ? > > > Thanx ! No - the SB uses a 24-bit architecture for volume control of re-scaled 16-bit data just like top-end studios and top-end hi-fi etc There is no loss of information until the volume gets really low! Replaygain rarely does more than 10dB of reduction which is nothing in a 24-bit architecture. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58274 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I use replaygain ?
The main advantage of replay gain is that you don't have to adjust the volume between tracks because of loudness differences. I don't exactly recall at what volume level data is actually lost but it's considerably lower than the typical replay gain adjustment. Sound quality is still affected because of the lower SNR. If it's noticeable depends on your ears and your system. You should try for yourself. Or you can enable replay gain for casual listening and disable it for critical listening. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58274 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I use replaygain ?
I have never read anything about it, but isn't replaygain a bad thing as far as sound quality is concerned ? Since it involves reducing the volume, there is necessarily some loss of information somewhere, so I guess it would be a better idea to always play at the maximum volume and adjust your amp... So, what do you guys (and girls) think ? Does replaygain reduce sound quality ? if so, is it noticeable ? Thanx ! -- BlueScreenJunky BlueScreenJunky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58274 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
cliveb;384818 Wrote: > I see this statement (that studio monitors are for near-field) repeated > on a regular basis. Can we please nail this myth once and for all? Some > studio monitors are designed for near-field. Others are not. Try using a > pair of ATC SCM300's as near-field monitors and see how far you get. You'd get very hot ears and the view across the console would berather restricted :o) Many years ago, Linn used to use active 'Bariks as Control Room monitors (I used to have a photo it was funny) ... but not as NFM's !!! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice on pro studio monitor vs consumer hifi amp + speakers
tricka;384748 Wrote: > Great for near field listening (which is what they are designed for). I see this statement (that studio monitors are for near-field) repeated on a regular basis. Can we please nail this myth once and for all? Some studio monitors are designed for near-field. Others are not. Try using a pair of ATC SCM300's as near-field monitors and see how far you get. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58179 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/96 DVD Music
DCtoDaylight;384728 Wrote: > ...I use a program called dvdaudioextractor. It handles PCM, Dolby, DTS > etc, and will rip to wav, or flac I use that program too with very nice results. -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58209 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
