Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blue Train AKA format wars
NewBuyer;393189 Wrote: > Also, did you know: Some streaming broadcasters apply digital DSP > enhancement to their stream, which definitely can make their result > seem to sound "better" than the original CD. Most won't disclose > exactly which DSP's they are using, or how much - since they don't want > others to copy their station sound. > > So possibly it might not be recording quality differences you are > hearing after all, but DSP enhancement instead! :) Well - If they are going to run everything through a Sonic Maximiser or whatever, all bets are off! :) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Getting the Best out of New SB3
ah - I use this one which is isolated: STONTRONICS AD-05150R (Farnell PW00187) which is a 5V 1.5A supply of different design. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59264 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
converters really don't have any place inside a pc if you care anything about your audio. -- tricka "Harbethed" and lovin it tricka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11614 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sony SS2300 DAC or SB Rcvr DAC
jeffmeh;392922 Wrote: > The best advice is to listen to both and decide for yourself. The same > DAC chip can sound very different depending upon the surrounding > engineering. > > Do bear in mind, though, that unless the Sony has a "direct" mode, it > will convert the analog signal from the SB to digital, then back to > analog, and you will be using the Sony's DAC. Thanks for the replies. It would appear that the Sony does indeed have a direct mode, though their name and description isn't as clear as I would like. Their AFD (Auto Format Direct) when set to Auto has the following description "Presents the sound as it was recorded/encoded without adding any surround effects" -- dmcgaugh dmcgaugh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59297 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blue Train AKA format wars
Also, did you know: Some streaming broadcasters apply digital DSP enhancement to their stream, which definitely can make their result seem to sound "better" than the original CD. Most won't disclose exactly which DSP's they are using, or how much - since they don't want others to copy their station sound. So possibly it might not be recording quality differences you are hearing after all, but DSP enhancement instead! :) -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blue Train AKA format wars
keep in mind: a lot of broadcasters, probably even classical stations, apply EXTRA multi-compression to things to keep the signal/noise ratio decent for over-the-air transmission (and to stop 'overs', which are actually illegal for broadcasters i think, because they cause FM data to leak into the next station) -- dub3000 http://remaincalm.org dub3000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23842 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blue Train AKA format wars
Phil Leigh;392848 Wrote: > Pete - that would make sense. Can you think of any specific musical > examples? Yes, Szell/LSO/Handel The Water Music and Ozawa's Scheherazade fairly recently. I have vinyl and CD of the Szell and the FM playback sounded much more like my vinyl copy. The Szell on CD is really dead sounding. It wasn't dynamic at all. The Ozawa on FM was almost as good as my vinyl copy. I didn't feel I was missing much at all. I can't tell you whether it was WGBH, KUSC or the local Austin classical station I was listening to but all 3 sound really good. There have also been one or two jazz cuts that I have on CD and/or vinyl but I can't recall the albums at the moment. They all sounded quite good on FM compared to CD - I was surprised and impressed. Cheers, Pete -- Pete Fowler Pete Fowler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55737 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
The SoundBlaster X-FI is not a bad piece - but the Transporter is definitely going to sonically outperform it in my opinion. As was said earlier though, it depends if you personally prefer the sound of "better" (not everybody does)... -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Getting the Best out of New SB3
The problem is the aftermarket DC power supply - it is not isolated. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59264 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 + Cambridge DacMagic ($400) Review
Just thought I'd add my 10 cents worth here. Bought a CA DacMagic a couple of weeks ago while I was back in the UK and it's been on ever since (whole system is left powered on 24/7 since it's solar powered*). It is - quite simply - the dog's danglies. More of everything IMHO except perhaps soundstage. But then again my Naim gear doesn't really "do" imaging as some of you old timers will know, and my speakers are too far apart anyway. I expected crisper treble, tightened mid-range but wasn't expecting more bass. Still not sure which filter option to use on the DacMagic - any views? I suspect my hearing is not quite up to scratch these days - combination of moderate antiquity and self-abuse (aurally speaking of course) so I'm still playing. So if you've got £200 sterling just get one. I'm sure you can get better for more but if I had more I'd have got a Transporter. -Obrigado e boa noite- as we say round these parts. Graeme * ...er - just kiddin' - I wish! -- GRC -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it ...- And if it matters ... Elderly Sony Vaio + WD Passport + iTunes + Apple Lossless SB Classic + SB Boom + SB Controller + CA DacMagic Naim CDX/XPS + NAC52/Supercap + NAP135s + Dynaudio Contour 1.8 MkIIs Linn LP12 & some other stuff GRC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
yeah.. sorry also some DNM power amplifiers are present... Well sound is not bad at all, but recently I compared Rokia Traoré, Bowmboï (African Musican) with the PC (Flac) and my Resolution Audio cd player... Well hard to say but I liked the CD more, my wife the PC. So there was the question how a Transporter would sound. More like the PC or the CD player. Christian -- Schindler Schindler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is this even possible?
Thanks Phil, Now I learned two things. SOX is nothing I will ever use on my squeezebox and You are not the original poster what I thought, when I wrote the post. :-) Today it is still sounding as good as yesterday, even after a hard days work, so it seams not to be a placebo. -- rossi CD > Ripstation Micro > QNAP209 (2*1TB) > SC7.3.3 > Allnet Powerline Ethernet > SB Duet/Linn Numerik > Triodesound Jona _or_ Sonus Faber Musica > Lowther Fidelio (PM6A) _or_ DIY with "Goodmans Twinaxiom 8" both supported by an ATS bass corner horn > ears > brain > mood > feet (or not) rossi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21599 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59200 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sony SS2300 DAC or SB Rcvr DAC
See http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/AV_Receivers -- Mark Lanctot Current: SB2, Transporter, Boom (PQP3 - late beta), SBC (early beta) Stored: Boom (PQP1 - early beta) Sold: SB3, Duet Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59297 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Getting the Best out of New SB3
Audiolab 8000A pre-amp stage - 8000P power amp. All powered via an Olson filtered 4 way and dedicated earth spike wired with Kimber cable. As soon as I replaced the standard sb wallwart with the new psu connected via IEC lead to the mains I got the hum. I think the problem possibly lies in the fact that the 4 way metal box has the kimber kable direct to an earth terminal on the Russ Andrews super socket, as well as all the mains leads being individually earthed. By unearthing the SB it stopped the hum immediately. I can't see it presenting a major problem as it'll still earth via the Phono's anyway. What do you think? ST -- Stdik Stdik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59264 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
Schindler;393007 Wrote: > Well, I have the soundblaster connected to a: > > DNM 3B Primus > http://www.dnm.co.uk/products.html > > with a pair of Martin Logan Vantage: > http://www.ch.martinlogan.com/speaker_intro/vantage.html > > Christian Hmmm.. If only used for dance music, this setup will certainly give you a lot of deep bass since the Primus is only preamp and the logans only has amplifier for the subwoofer, but why connect something like this to a Soundblaster anyway ? it will probably only reveal how a computer soundcard can distort a perfectly good wav file :-) -- bebop Regards Bebop SC 7.4 on Ubuntu 8.02, SBC&Duet + Boom bebop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17061 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Display sample rate?
Can you display the bit depth and sample rate of input streams to a Transporter over the SPDIF interface? I am running firmware 62. Thx. -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
Schindler;392986 Wrote: > Hello, currently I use a PC with a soundblaser X-Fi and Softsqueeze. The > card is connected analogue to my amp. > > Would a Transporter with analogue output sound better than my pc? > > Christian organic Italian tomatoes or geneticaly modified californian tomatoes? -- GuyDebord Kharma Ceramique 3.2FE's -> v/d Hul Inspiration. PRE: Lyngdorf DPA-1 -> AcousticZen SilverReference2 XLR's. AMP: Halcro MC20. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, ASR Basis Exclusive phono pre -> AcousticZen SilverReference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter -> Siltech Golden Ridge AES/EBU. AC: PS Audio Power Plant Premier, PS Audio Statement(PPP), ASR Magic Cord(ASR), Siltech SPX30 MKII's(Lyngdorf & Halcro) & v/d Hul Mainserver(Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Getting the Best out of New SB3
Stdik;392936 Wrote: > Thanks to you who gave advice, everything set up and works well. I have > also received the new power supply and can report an appreciable > improvement in performance. Basically more of everything, frequency > extremes more controlled, bigger more dynamic soundstage. For those who > are interested the unit I bought is STONTRONICS - EPA-201D-05 - PSU, > DESKTOP, 5V, 4A. I bought it via e-bay from from fullspeedit for a > grand total of £17.98 inc p&p, the same unit sells at Farnell for > £24.32 + p&p. The only issue i had was a earth loop hum - easily > remedied by disconnecting the earth core at the mains plug end of the > lead I use. > ST hmmm... you shouldn't be getting an earth loop. The SB signal ground is not directly connected to the mains earth. What amp etc are you using? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59264 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
Well, I have the soundblaster connected to a: DNM 3B Primus http://www.dnm.co.uk/products.html with a pair of Martin Logan Vantage: http://www.ch.martinlogan.com/speaker_intro/vantage.html Christian -- Schindler Schindler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
bebop;392998 Wrote: > On what amp and speakers you have your Soundblaster or Transporter > connected to :-) > > But the Transporter is a very serious piece of HiFi equipment with > state of the art DAC's(just see the price tag), so if connected to > downstream equipment which matches its performance, it will beat the > Soundblaster by light(y)ears, but if your amps and speakers are not in > the same league, then my advice is : > > Use the money for some serious speakers and a matching amp and start > out with a SB3 or Duet/SB and start saving up again for a Transporter(I > am still saving up for a Transporter myself). Using the same Avatar as a guy in Bomber? -- Fischer Fischer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
On what amp and speakers you have your Soundblaster or Transporter connected to :-) But the Transporter is a very serious piece of HiFi equipment with state of the art DAC's(just see the price tag), so if connected to downstream equipment which matches its performance, it will beat the Soundblaster by light(y)ears, but if your amps and speakers are not in the same league, then my advice is : Use the money for some serious speakers and a matching amp and start out with a SB3 or Duet/SB and start saving up again for a Transporter(I am still saving up for a Transporter myself). -- bebop Regards Bebop SC 7.4 on Ubuntu 8.02, SBC&Duet + Boom bebop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17061 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC or Transporter
Hello, currently I use a PC with a soundblaser X-Fi and Softsqueeze. The card is connected analogue to my amp. Would a Transporter with analogue output sound better than my pc? Christian -- Schindler Schindler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59313 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Nice movies
'Mature_mom_gets_her_rectum_reamed_.html' (http://behindhim.com/details/82055-510/) -- bilutzu bilutzu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Getting the Best out of New SB3
Thanks to you who gave advice, everything set up and works well. I have also received the new power supply and can report an appreciable improvement in performance. Basically more of everything, frequency extremes more controlled, bigger more dynamic soundstage. For those who are interested the unit I bought is STONTRONICS - EPA-201D-05 - PSU, DESKTOP, 5V, 4A. I bought it via e-bay from from fullspeedit for a grand total of £17.98 inc p&p, the same unit sells at Farnell for £24.32 + p&p. The only issue i had was a earth loop hum - easily remedied by disconnecting the earth core at the mains plug end of the lead I use. ST -- Stdik Stdik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59264 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sony SS2300 DAC or SB Rcvr DAC
The best advice is to listen to both and decide for yourself. The same DAC chip can sound very different depending upon the surrounding engineering. Do bear in mind, though, that unless the Sony has a "direct" mode, it will convert the analog signal from the SB to digital, then back to analog, and you will be using the Sony's DAC. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59297 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is this even possible?
rossi;392893 Wrote: > Hi Phil, > > yesterday I did an unclean update (direct over the old version without > deleting) from the final 7.3.2 to the nightly 7.3.3 and was blown away > by the huge improvement of the sound quality. This was what I missed > over the last several updates. I tried every possible way to update, > because I thought only a clean update is a good way to do, but now I > think the firmware (due to the new SOX?) did it. Even the 320kbs MP3s > (I have only a few ;-) )sound better, than the FLACs with the "old" > firmware. Hi there! The SOX code is not in the firmware, it's on the server and is only invoked for bitrates higher than can be handled natively. So, if you play a normal 44.1/16 FLAC, WAV or MP3 it won't go via SOX. A 96/24 would go via SOX. I'm running on 7.4 nightly and it sounds fine to me (I only use FLAC). Only Sean could comment on whether there have been any firmware changes that might have altered replay sound quality. Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59200 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is this even possible?
Hi Phil, yesterday I did an unclean update (direct over the old version without deleting) from the final 7.3.2 to the nightly 7.3.3 and was blown away by the huge improvement of the sound quality. This was what I missed over the last several updates. I tried every possible way to update, because I thought only a clean update is a good way to do, but now I think the firmware (due to the new SOX?) did it. Even the 320kbs MP3s (I have only a few ;-) )sound better, than the FLACs with the "old" firmware. -- rossi CD > Ripstation Micro > QNAP209 (2*1TB) > SC7.3.3 > Allnet Powerline Ethernet > SB Duet/Linn Numerik > Triodesound Jona _or_ Sonus Faber Musica > Lowther Fidelio (PM6A) _or_ DIY with "Goodmans Twinaxiom 8" both supported by an ATS bass corner horn > ears > brain > mood > feet (or not) rossi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21599 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59200 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
