Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
Howard Passman;430962 Wrote: > By "level balanced" you mean db levels with a sp meter, correct? > > Howard Right, it was early and I should have said "level matched". I send a 3K test tone from each source and measure the voltage at the speaker terminals. -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why Reclock If Using Low Jitter DAC
The A/B comparison was done precisely everything was matched, gain matched, same cables, etc .come on, were talking about a bunch of audiophiles here. Everyone wanted the transporter to sound better (including me). I was actually auditioning the transporter. All five of us (not one of use with less than twenty years of experience) heard an immediate difference when switching between the two aforementioned devices. Now, I tell you, I really hate to use the same old rhetoric here, but quite frankly, it was like lifting a veil. There is really no better way to explain the difference. I cant say the sound stage was bigger, I cant say that the central image was better; I wont even say that the bass was more defined. The resolution was just better. There was a difference in clarity and it was definitely not shrill, bright, or forward. The sound to all five of us was better. The Cullen Stage IV DAC is no slouch whats so hard to believe about this? SB hasnt cornered the market on DACs ..I will be leaving my Cullen-modded DAC for the new PS Audio PWD, as it is improves upon the Cullen DAC even more so than the Cullen DAC improved over the TP. You can call this subjective which, of course it is, but truly, I know what I heard. I was actually hoping that I would like the TP more. -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
Sweet :) And to answer your question, yes I do have a TP but it isn't hooked up to a system anywhere near good enough to make proper comparisons with :( Maybe next year... -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp ligald;431001 Wrote: > (remember that a pre-amplifier is at least as expensive as the power > amplifier itself). > Yes that's a big issue in itself. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 -> (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i -> PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Laptop -> Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 SB3 / Rio Karma / Laptop -> Roberts Sound 43 / Sennheiser PX-100 / JVC UX-C30 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
As promised here's the report on my replacement Transporter. Ta-da-da-d, it works! And works well. What I find hard to believe is that the first unit could make sound and yet sound so different. So my apologies to the Slim guys. I'm sorry I ever doubted you. And to the nice responses, thanks for getting me to give it a second try. As I said, I was pulling for it. Now, I have to go set up my new FREE controller. Have a great night, Howard -- Howard Passman Can I go home now? Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
darrenyeats;431022 Wrote: > I don't think you can reach a valid conclusion with a > faulty...wait...you mean someone already said that? For crying out loud > people he's got the point!!! Poor guy. :) > > Haha. I look forward to your second comparison tonight. Darren I guess most of the time people, including myself, don't take the time to read the entire thread. Although the one or two pagers I try to. Well, look forward no longer to my second impression. It's hard to believe it's the same animal. I don't understand how one player could play at all and sound so different. So now I'm off to post my apology, findings, awe...whatever. Have a great day, Howard -- Howard Passman Can I go home now? Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] iTunes AAC 256 to Flac on a Transporter
My opinion is that you've got the purchasing decisions in the wrong order. Start with the speakers and pick the amp according to that. You may even decide the very best speakers within your budget are active speakers which means you will not need a separate amp (or more channels of your chosen amp). I would go active myself but even with passives I would choose the speakers first. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 -> (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i -> PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Laptop -> Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 SB3 / Rio Karma / Laptop -> Roberts Sound 43 / Sennheiser PX-100 / JVC UX-C30 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
Howard Passman;430976 Wrote: > I see everyones point and agree to give it a second chance. I don't > think the Transporter Crutchfield sent was refurbed or even opened. > They had a great deal on the unit with a SBC for $1799 and free > shipping. They are and always have been a very good customer service > company. > > My only point with what you said was I'm not comparing the Transporter > to the SB3. I'm comparing it with the Revox. I did a comparison with > the SB3, but my hopes were that the Transporter would come close in > quality, if not tone, to my Revox. At least the first copy didn't. > I'll try the second one tonight. > > I'l be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong. > > Howard I don't think you can reach a valid conclusion with a faulty...wait...you mean someone already said that? For crying out loud people he's got the point!!! Poor guy. :) Haha. I look forward to your second comparison tonight. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 -> (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i -> PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Laptop -> Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 SB3 / Rio Karma / Laptop -> Roberts Sound 43 / Sennheiser PX-100 / JVC UX-C30 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] iTunes AAC 256 to Flac on a Transporter
With a milestone birthday around the corner, I'm seriously considering buying a Transporter with a Bryston 2BSST (squared) amp. Speakers TBD. The bulk of my music collection is made up of truly lossless flac files. There is, however, a reasonable amount of iTunes Plus music (256 AAC) in my collection which I've in turn converted to flac. With that in mind, I'm interested in opinions from the audiophile community here as to the sound quality of a 256 AAC file on something as 'revealling' as the Transporter. (I'm assuming the conversion from AAC 256 to flac is completely transparent). Thanks in advance. -- ShutterShock ShutterShock's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3602 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Meridion;430990 Wrote: > I would even abandon the rear speakers when connecting TP directly to a > poweramp for enhanced sound reproduction and reduced system complexity. Very nice speakers... Personally I wanted a configuration based on B&W 802d speakers. The only remaining questione were 1) which power amplifier to associate with and 2)pre-amplifier or not? I read a lot of forums and finally decided to test by myself. I took my TP and asked the dealer to test it directly connected to a power amp. Of course, he never heard about the TP and was very skeptical about a Logitech gear connected to a 10k bucks amplifier. But quickly he (and I) realized that the matching was just perfect, taking the best from the speakers! Finally and without any doubt, the configuration without pre-amplifier just appeared to be THE Solution, providing the best sonic performances for the smallest price (remember that a pre-amplifier is at least as expensive as the power amplifier itself). Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - B&W 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter with external DAc
Thanks, so it sounds like one vote for no difference between a SB and a transporter used with an external DAC and one vote for it does make a difference. My DAC mods are from Affordable Audio in Venice CA. this is what he says about the mod. Solen capacitors for coupling, Caddock resistors for critical audio locations and upgraded opamps in the signal path. All at an Affordable price. Our diode board replaces the monolithic diode boards in the stock DAC for an even more refined sound. The tube is replaced as well but i do not recall what he used. Maybe i need to order a transporter with the 30 return policy and try it out myself. Its interesting to see different opinions. maybe it has to do with the equipment the transporter is connected to. -- lxgreen lector zoe preamp cary 120s amp squeezebox duet music hall 25.2 modded DAC lxgreen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30697 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp ligald;430972 Wrote: > I agree with dealer issue in Sitzerland; I had the same problem a few > months ago before buying my system. Finally I took my TP to the dealer > to test it with different power amplifiers. Same experience here, too, living in Zurich... Any dealer and equipment recommendations? Right now my TP is connected (balanced) to a Thule IA350 integrated amp driving a pair of Focal Electra 1027 Be and Electra 1007 Be. [IA350 is a "virtual class a" balanced stereo amp or a 5 channel amp, depending on input selection...] I would even abandon the rear speakers when connecting TP directly to a poweramp for enhanced sound reproduction and reduced system complexity. -- Meridion Songs: 15'720 - Albums: 1'295 - Artists: 900 Meridion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
iPhone;430970 Wrote: > I have to agree with Robin and Radish. Not flaming or being over > critical, but how can you move on to a discussion about making a DAC > purchase when your logic on the Transporter seems flawed? > > Its one thing to say that after I received the Transporter I didn't > like the way it looked so I am returning it even though it sounds great. > Fine, its not your style of component. Its a whole other thing to say I > don't like the way it sounds or its performance when you admit that you > think the unit is faulty. How could it possibly pass your expectations? > More importantly, there most be a problem if you feel it doesn't better > an SB3. As you said, if the Transporter wasn't better, it would just be > an expensive dual display SB3. > > The warmth you are looking for, are you talking about Tube sound > warmth? If so, the tube way is buying a DAC with a tube analog output or > a Modwright Transporter or expensive tube pre-amp. > > Also some people don't like the better sound of a Transporter after > listening to SB3 or Booms for a long time. They are used to the SB3 > sound and don't give the Transporter enough time (which is why one gets > 30 days). To give it an honest demo (not 2 or 3 minutes here and there), > one needs to listen to it for several hours a day for a few weeks > without listening to the other Slim Devices they are accustom to. Then > once this new sound is part of ones live, listen to an SB3 again. Can > you now live without the Transporter? Yes, return it. No, enjoy your new > NMP. > > I was lucky I guess. I bought an SB3 to try out this new way to go > digital. I wasn't going to just spend $2000 on some unknown new box even > if I could return it. Before the 30 days was up on the SB3, I had > already bought a Transporter! Not having built up a knowing sound of the > SB3, it was easy to hear the areas that were better. Which for me were > tighter more accurate sound. Better soundstage (both wider and deeper), > just generally better sound reproduction, music. It is less forgiving of > the recording due to drawing out more detail, which a friend labels as > antiseptic or sterile. I look at it as more accurate. I am also using > the balanced XLR which I think make a huge difference. But again that's > my opinion, what sounds best to me for me. > > Getting a DAC is one way to go, but it sounds like you're going to have > to spend more money then what a Transporter costs. Maybe a Bel Canto or > something similar (I can tell you a Dodson DA-217 MK2-D Digital > Processor sounds killer being feed by an SBR or SB3 but it should, its a > $5K DAC). So why not return the TP for a refund (no telling if it was a > Crutchfield return or what) and order one from Logitech. That unit will > be a fresh in the box unit for sure as Slim Devices will not sell return > or refurbs (yes, once a year or so if your lucky you can pick something > up at the Mountain View local sale but they will not sell them on the > web or over the phone, its in person only for that day or weekend). How > do I know, I offered to buy every TP that was returned on the 30 day > return policy. I was told that very few get returned and the ones that > do are used for shows/demos or warranty exchange/replacement with any > left showing up at the Local Sale (and probably good deals for employee > purchases). So if it were me, I'd order from Logitech. Or return to CF, > asking for a new replacement. But I would try another unit for sure is > what I have been trying to say. I see everyones point and agree to give it a second chance. I don't think the Transporter Crutchfield sent was refurbed or even opened. They had a great deal on the unit with a SBC for $1799 and free shipping. They are and always have been a very good customer service company. My only point with what you said was I'm not comparing the Transporter to the SB3. I'm comparing it with the Revox. I did a comparison with the SB3, but my hopes were that the Transporter would come close in quality, if not tone, to my Revox. At least the first copy didn't. I'll try the second one tonight. I'l be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong. Howard -- Howard Passman Can I go home now? Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Hi Christian, I had my TP connected directly to my Classé power amp via RCA cables. Two days ago, I upgraded to XLR balanced cables (with a pair of Endler attenuators with -16 dB attenuation) and I noticed a sound improvement in term of spatialization and high frequencies definition. This just finished convincing me about the benefits of a pre-amplifier free configuration. As your power amp has balanced input, it could be worth trying to connect the TP with XLR cables. However, you'll probably need some passive attenuation... I agree with dealer issue in Sitzerland; I had the same problem a few months ago before buying my system. Finally I took my TP to the dealer to test it with different power amplifiers. Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - B&W 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
Howard Passman;430885 Wrote: > Yes, sorry, another DAC reccomandation thread. > > This week I bought a Transporter and was very much looking forward to > having it. I expected to hear a better sound stage than my DUET or SB3 > and was hoping for more natural highs and maybe a bit more warmth and > *some* bass. > > The unit had some serious issues with a high frequency pop, scrathing > sounds and stopping play. It would stream Internet Radio *almost* > flawless, but wouldn't play flac's or m4a files at all without the > before mentioned issues. > > I was going to return it for a replacement, but decided to listen to it > as much as possible (1-4 minutes at a time) to see how it sounded > compared to my favorite Revox CD player. Even without direct comparison > it was obvious that it wasn't up to the task so I did a direct > comparison to the SB3. Better? Maybe different is a better > description. The soundstage seemed about the same, bass was maybe even > less than the SB3. Highs may have been more defined, but the trade off > in warmth and bass left me liking the SB3 better or about the same. I > might pay $500 for the Transporter (love the looks), but not $2k. > > Next, I did a direct comparison to my Revox B226 Signature player. > After listening to parts of 5 or 6 songs that I am very familiar with, I > quit listening to the Transporter and spent the rest of my time > listening to CD's on the Revox. > > The Revox has a great two dimensional sound stage, nice round bass and > lots of warmth. The highs are very clean, but not un-natural. Not > sterile at all. It's not perfect, but for my tastes it was the best > player or transport I listened to at the time. > > So now you know what I like to hear when I listen. Warmth, nice two > dimensional soundstage, nicely rounded bass and natural highs. That's > my personal preferences and I'm looking for a DAC that I can run either > the DUET or the SB3 through that will lean more towards that sound. > > It doesn't make sense to me to pay for the Transporter and then not use > the DAC. Basically, it seems like your paying for all the nice outputs, > of which I'd either use the RCA or balanced. That and the DAC. The SB3 > sounds close enough to the Transporter where I think a nice DAC might > give me what I'm looking for. Something close to the Revox with the > convenience of the SB's. > > Don't blast me because I don't like the Transporter. To each is own. > I love my SB's (4 of them) and the Transporter seems like a nice box, > but the fact is (problems aside)it still isn't my cup of tea. > > Any ideas? > > Howard I have to agree with Robin and Radish. Not flaming or being over critical, but how can you move on to a discussion about making a DAC purchase when your logic on the Transporter seems flawed? Its one thing to say that after I received the Transporter I didn't like the way it looked so I am returning it even though it sounds great. Fine, its not your style of component. Its a whole other thing to say I don't like the way it sounds or its performance when you admit that you think the unit is faulty. How could it possibly pass your expectations? More importantly, there most be a problem if you feel it doesn't better an SB3. As you said, if the Transporter wasn't better, it would just be an expensive dual display SB3. The warmth you are looking for, are you talking about Tube sound warmth? If so, the tube way is buying a DAC with a tube analog output or a Modwright Transporter or expensive tube pre-amp. Also some people don't like the better sound of a Transporter after listening to SB3 or Booms for a long time. They are used to the SB3 sound and don't give the Transporter enough time (which is why one gets 30 days). To give it an honest demo (not 2 or 3 minutes here and there), one needs to listen to it for several hours a day for a few weeks without listening to the other Slim Devices they are accustom to. Then once this new sound is part of ones live, listen to an SB3 again. Can you now live without the Transporter? Yes, return it. No, enjoy your new NMP. I was lucky I guess. I bought an SB3 to try out this new way to go digital. I wasn't going to just spend $2000 on some unknown new box even if I could return it. Before the 30 days was up on the SB3, I had already bought a Transporter! Not having built up a knowing sound of the SB3, it was easy to hear the areas that were better. Which for me were tighter more accurate sound. Better soundstage (both wider and deeper), just generally better sound reproduction, music. It is less forgiving of the recording due to drawing out more detail, which a friend labels as antiseptic or sterile. I look at it as more accurate. I am also using the balanced XLR which I think make a huge difference. But again that's my opinion, what sounds best to me for me. Getting a DAC is one way to go, but it sounds like you're going to have to spend more money then what a Transporter costs.
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable PSU Upgrades for Classic
Just what I was looking for. Even better would be any recommendations for something already terminated with the right power connector. I can plug stuff in, but that's the limit to my tech ability. Solder iron + me = bad things. Thanks -- ismarketing ismarketing's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64278 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
ghostrider;430959 Wrote: > Make sure both are level balanced. Close is not good enough for a valid > comparison. By "level balanced" you mean db levels with a sp meter, correct? Howard -- Howard Passman Can I go home now? Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
Make sure both are level balanced. Close is not good enough for a valid comparison. -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
Robin Bowes;430947 Wrote: > Howard Passman wrote: > > Yes, sorry, another DAC reccomandation thread. > > > > This week I bought a Transporter and was very much looking forward > to > > having it. I expected to hear a better sound stage than my DUET or > SB3 > > and was hoping for more natural highs and maybe a bit more warmth > and > > *some* bass. > > > > The unit had some serious issues with a high frequency pop, > scrathing > > sounds and stopping play. It would stream Internet Radio *almost* > > flawless, but wouldn't play flac's or m4a files at all without the > > before mentioned issues. > > So, let me get this straight... > > You have received a faulty unit, evaluated it, and decided that it's > not > good enough? > > Er, wouldn't you be better off getting a *working* unit and evaluating > that? > > Would you take a car out on a test drive, even though it was running on > > only 2 cylinders, and had the handbrake binding, then decide not to buy > > it because it wasn't fast enough?? > > The Transporter may indeed prove not to be to your liking but, from > what > you've said, you currently have no idea because you've only tested a > faulty unit. > > R. O.K., O.K. don;t beat me anymore :-). I have the replacement unit in my car and will give it a go tonight. My thinking was (false maybe) that the DAC seemed to be working fine and the problem was before that. When it was playing it sounded "normal", but maybe the issue does affect the tonal characteristics of the unit. I'll find out tonight. As I said, nothing would pleas eme more than to have this work. Howard -- Howard Passman Can I go home now? Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] [SPAM] DAC reccomendations...
Howard Passman wrote: > Yes, sorry, another DAC reccomandation thread. > > This week I bought a Transporter and was very much looking forward to > having it. I expected to hear a better sound stage than my DUET or SB3 > and was hoping for more natural highs and maybe a bit more warmth and > *some* bass. > > The unit had some serious issues with a high frequency pop, scrathing > sounds and stopping play. It would stream Internet Radio *almost* > flawless, but wouldn't play flac's or m4a files at all without the > before mentioned issues. So, let me get this straight... You have received a faulty unit, evaluated it, and decided that it's not good enough? Er, wouldn't you be better off getting a *working* unit and evaluating that? Would you take a car out on a test drive, even though it was running on only 2 cylinders, and had the handbrake binding, then decide not to buy it because it wasn't fast enough?? The Transporter may indeed prove not to be to your liking but, from what you've said, you currently have no idea because you've only tested a faulty unit. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
radish;430934 Wrote: > All I would ask is whether it's fair to judge the TP based on what is > obviously a faulty unit? I'm not sure, but I think so. In between glitches, the sound seemed o.k.. I can't imagine it would be degraded while it was playing. It isn't a problem with the analog part of the signal path. I bought it from Crutchfield and after speaking to LT support I called them for an RMA. At that point I wanted to swap. It wasn't until later I thought that there would be no point and I'd just be paying shipping. Anyway, much to Crutchfield's credit, I just recieved the replacement unit here at work. 16 hours after my call to them. Pretty great service. Since I do have the second copy I will give it a run tonight. Do you have a Transporter? Is my description way off in your experience? I would love to make it work because the functionality and looks are perfect. However, it has to sound at least appreciably better than the SB3 through my system to make it worth the $$. I'll report back after tonight. Howard -- Howard Passman Can I go home now? Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable PSU Upgrades for Classic
Herbach & Rademan sell a surplus power supply that outputs 5 volts at 2 amps for $10.00 You will have to change the output connector to one that will fit into the SB. The power supply will also accept different power cables, so you can try different types to see if they make any changes in the sound. http://www.herbach.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HAR&Product_Code=TM93PWS2476&Category_Code=PWS -- Wayne1 Wayne1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64278 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...Looking for some warmth
All I would ask is whether it's fair to judge the TP based on what is obviously a faulty unit? -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable PSU Upgrades for Classic
Thanks iPhone. I every system I own (3), improving power delivery through cords or a PS Audio power plant has made a significant difference in my enjoyment of the music. Side note - A new Virtue One Amp with their 130w PSU fed by a classic Synergistic Master Coupler - wow! If I can screw around with the sound of the SB classic for $20 or so and maybe improve it, that sounds like more fun than measuring to me. Again - any links to regulated power supplies I could try are appreciated. Thanks. -- ismarketing ismarketing's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64278 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC reccomendations...
Yes, sorry, another DAC reccomandation thread. This week I bought a Transporter and was very much looking forward to having it. I expected to hear a better sound stage than my DUET or SB3 and was hoping for more natural highs and maybe a bit more warmth and *some* bass. The unit had some serious issues with a high frequency pop, scrathing sounds and stopping play. It would stream Internet Radio *almost* flawless, but wouldn't play flac's or m4a files at all without the before mentioned issues. I was going to return it for a replacement, but decided to listen to it as much as possible (1-4 minutes at a time) to see how it sounded compared to my favorite Revox CD player. Even without direct comparison it was obvious that it wasn't up to the task so I did a direct comparison to the SB3. Better? Maybe different is a better description. The soundstage seemed about the same, bass was maybe even less than the SB3. Highs may have been more defined, but the trade off in warmth and bass left me liking the SB3 better or about the same. I might pay $500 for the Transporter (love the looks), but not $2k. Next, I did a direct comparison to my Revox B226 Signature player. After listening to parts of 5 or 6 songs that I am very familiar with, I quit listening to the Transporter and spent the rest of my time listening to CD's on the Revox. The Revox has a great two dimensional sound stage, nice round bass and lots of warmth. The highs are very clean, but not un-natural. Not sterile at all. It's not perfect, but for my tastes it was the best player or transport I listened to at the time. So now you know what I like to hear when I listen. Warmth, nice two dimensional soundstage, nicely rounded bass and natural highs. That's my personal preferences and I'm looking for a DAC that I can run either the DUET or the SB3 through that will lean more towards that sound. It doesn't make sense to me to pay for the Transporter and then not use the DAC. Basically, it seems like your paying for all the nice outputs, of which I'd either use the RCA or balanced. That and the DAC. The SB3 sounds close enough to the Transporter where I think a nice DAC might give me what I'm looking for. Something close to the Revox with the convenience of the SB's. Don't blast me because I don't like the Transporter. To each is own. I love my SB's (4 of them) and the Transporter seems like a nice box, but the fact is (problems aside)it still isn't my cup of tea. Any ideas? Howard -- Howard Passman Can I go home now? Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter with external DAc
I have tested the Sb3 and the TP's spdif digital output side by side (fed both into my meridian sDSP speakers inputs - can take 2 digital ins and seamless switching) and there is no discernable difference between them. -- Rodney_Gold Sb3/Z-sys RDP1/meridian DSP5500's TP/X-cans v3/Senns 650's TP/TACT 2.0/SCM 50a's TP/Meridian DSP5000's "The nicest thing about smacking your head against the wall is...the feeling you get when you stop" Rodney_Gold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter with external DAc
lxgreen;430726 Wrote: > I was looking to improve on my Duet Dac combo. I connect the Duet to a > newly modded Music Hall 25.2 DAC with very nice results. I see lots of > discussion about transporter vs SB with external DAC. But what kind of > improvement can i anticipate if i get a transporter and connect this to > either the Music Hall DAC or a more expensive (presumably better) DAC. I am using the transporter with the AES/EBU digital out to a Lyngdorf DPA-1, and I can say that the improvement was immediately audible, specially in the resolution, presence and transparency of the mid-high and high frequencies. I always felt that the transporter DAC was a bit boring and veiled in those freqs, like it lacked air around it. Transporter dac is very good, better than most in its price range but its not SOTA, of course you can do better, for the same money or a bit more. Since this is a slimdevices biased forum, most will tell you that you need to spend 10k+ to do better I have at the moment a 25.2 DAC on lend and already changed the tube to a e188cc nos, however Im still not totally impressed, I will be using it in my office rig where I currently have a becnchmark dac1. My favorite dealer always gets me to try new stuff, so I did, but I think Im staying with the benchmark. Can I ask you what types of mods did you get in you 25.2? -- GuyDebord '*LAST.FM*' (http://www.last.fm/user/bloodyrosa) - SPEAKERS: Kharma CRM 3.2FE -> v/d Hul Inspiration - PRE: Lyngdorf DPA-1 -> Kharma Grand Reference XLR's -> AMP: Halcro MC20 - ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, ASR Basis Exclusive phono pre -> Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II XLRs - DIGITAL: Slim Devices Transporter -> Siltech Golden Ridge AES/EBU - AC: PS Audio Power Plant Premier, PS Audio Statement(PPP), ASR Magic Cord(ASR), Siltech SPX30 MKII's for the Lyngdorf, Halcro & Transporter GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
