Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
Phil Leigh;434022 Wrote: > No they don't!. > ...I agree that 200w is preferable to 20w in all cases... I've been confused about that principle lately. For instance, Elias Gwinn at Benchmark Media Systems Inc. says -"Avoid using amplifiers that are too powerful for your system! You'll get best results when using 75-95% of the amps total power."- So for generally low-level listeners having speakers/systems where 20w would nearly always cover the transient peaks - perhaps 20w would sometimes be preferable to 200w? -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
pfarrell;434520 Wrote: > Maggies, Quads, etc. don't take much wattage, but they need a lot of > current. I must admit, I've never looked that closely at the fundamentals of the design approaches, but I would have thought that planar magnetic speakers, like the Maggies, would require lots of current, but planar electrostatics, like the Quads would prefer lots of voltage Certainly, that was one of the arguments for the dedicated tube amps offered by Acoustat, and others. Dave -- DCtoDaylight Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, Infinite Signal to Noise Ratio, and a Bandwidth from DC to Daylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
ghostrider wrote: > pfarrell;434438 Wrote: >> Powered speakers are the solution, but audiophiles love their big iron. > > There's no replacement for displacement! Actually, in racing, the comment is "you can't replace cubic inches, expect with cubic dollars" And things like Formula 1 cars with 1000 HP out of 3 liters are proof that enough cubic dollars can really replace it. Maggies, Quads, etc. don't take much wattage, but they need a lot of current. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
pfarrell;434438 Wrote: > Powered speakers are the solution, but audiophiles love their big iron. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ There's no replacement for displacement! -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Personal Introductions: Please Make This a Sticky!
Hi, My name is Phoenix and I've been in the high end audio racket since the 1970's. My musical tastes run to the soft rock groups of that era (Buffalo Springfield, Fleetwood Mac, Beatles, Stones, Jackson Brown, Dylan, Linda Ronstadt, CSNY, Joni Mitcell, as well as classical and in the last ten years, Jazz. Over the 30 years I've had this hobby I've owned a number of Classic components: Large Advents, Bose 901's (the originals and a real disappointment), Rodgers LS3/5A's, Martin Logan CLS's, and Aerial Accoustic 10t's (my current speaker. Originally a vinyl freak, I've owned some true analogue classics as well including the Fidelity Research FR64s tonearm w' B60 Stabilizer which cost over $1200 in 1979 (ouch), but it's still my current analogue tomearm. Phone cartridges included the Classic ADC XSM, The Fidelity Research FR-1 Mk 3f, the Talisman Virtuoso DTi, and the Cardas Heart Ruby (My Current). Turntables included the original Accoustic Research turntable (still a great table for someone who wants a cheap analogue rig which will play well) and a VPI HW-19 Mk 4 with a 20 lb platter, a speed control and a Vibraplane. I also own a number of tube preanps including the Audible Illusions Mk 3, and the Harmon Kardon Citation I. My power ams are the inimitalbe Bel 1001, Mk 5 (two bridged to deliver a rock solit 200 wpc to anything) with all Nordost SPM cabling. I got into the Squeezebox because it offered tmy 1000+ albums (cd's) on a hard drive the size of a small book and playing them back perfectly to my Benchmark DAC1. It seems like and is the perfect way to listen to digital audio whic I believe has caught up with analogue audio. I also use a TACT RCS 2.0 to deliver room and speaker correction. All in all it sounds great, offers the ultimate in convenience and if I ever decide to get rid of the analogue side of things, I'm convinced I could live with a Squuzebox into a Tact into a Benchmark into the Audible Illusion into the Bel's and the Aerials quite happily. -- Phoenix Phoenix's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30141 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
JezA;434423 Wrote: > And I have heard a Lowther, as it happens. If you lined up all the > speakers in the world according to their neutrality, it would definitely > be near one of the ends. > > Have you ever heard a Steinway? I suspect that my Lowthers would give a better simulacrum of a Steinway than most speakers, tbh, of whatever cost. And 8W is perfectly enough, although I am currently giving them a serious workout with a First Watt F3, fully 15W. They might not be neutral in terms of frequency response, but there's a lot more to accuracy than that. -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, dCS Purcell & Elgar, Audion Pre, Welborne DRD 300B SETs, Lowther Big Fun Horns with PM6As adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
JezA wrote: > pfarrell;434409 Wrote: >> JezA wrote: >>> If 20w/ch cut the mustard, why do Linn produce amps of many times >>> that power? >> to separate fools from their money. >> >> Clearly you have never hear a Lowther or Klipshorn > > Is it possible for you to write a post that isn't rude, offensive or > insulting? Pot talking about the kettle? Big amps cover a long list of sins. But they are not free of sins themselves. Powered speakers are the solution, but audiophiles love their big iron. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
pfarrell;434409 Wrote: > JezA wrote: > > If 20w/ch cut the mustard, why do Linn produce amps of many times > > that power? > > to separate fools from their money. > > Clearly you have never hear a Lowther or Klipshorn Is it possible for you to write a post that isn't rude, offensive or insulting? Linn customers - Phil for example - aren't generally fools. And I have heard a Lowther, as it happens. If you lined up all the speakers in the world according to their neutrality, it would definitely be near one of the ends. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
JezA;434405 Wrote: > You really think your tweeters can handle 140W?! Brave man! Sadly from bitter experience I know otherwise... they can be vapourised in the twinkling of an eye by a full-power transient. This is particularly a problem in active config because there is no crossover to protect them. "Always turn off and leave for 10 minutes before connecting to pre-amp"... "always turn off and leave for 10..." There are some odd things about Linn...like no o/p protection on my power amps, so a speaker cable short will destroy the board (£200 replacement). Over the years I've had 3 new power amp boards and 2 tweeters... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
JezA wrote: > If 20w/ch cut the mustard, why do Linn produce amps of many times > that power? to separate fools from their money. Clearly you have never hear a Lowther or Klipshorn ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
You really think your tweeters can handle 140W?! -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
JezA;433895 Wrote: > After all Phil, you yourself are using a 90w/ch amplifier to drive a > tweeter! Actually it's 140 watts into each driver... Linn speakers are 4 ohms not 8 :-) Hence the LK "140". -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
There are many, many reasonably designed loudspeakers, including some very, very well designed ones, for which 20w would be inadequate, even at quite modest listening levels. Sure, a valve amp like yours will have a benign overload characteristic so might not sound so offensive when it runs out of juice, which it surely will, but to constrain yourself to speakers of above 92db sensitivity, and with probably not much bottom end, excludes an awful lot of good speakers, and if I had a grand to spend on the front end of a decent hi-fi, I wouldn't want to limit my choice so drastically. I do listen to a lot of classical music, which can have a colossal dynamic range. The Transporter showing it's age? Why a display? Why a touch sensitive knob? Why not a straight media renderer like the DS stuff? Is the DAC still the best around? I think Linn have moved things on with the design of their stuff, and I hope other manufacturers, including Logitech, will respond. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
JezA;434371 Wrote: > Is that one utter or two? Feel free to disagree, or be rude, but I'll > respect you more if you actually say something interesting or explain > your otherwise fatuous remark. You can have as many as you like. If you don't think 20w can drive a pair of reasonably designed loudspeakers of say 91-92dB sensitivity (which isn't even that high), you seriously need to broaden your horizons, or stop giving out duff info. Ability to deliver current is generally more important than the watt rating of an amp, or do you believe the W rating of all those silly micro systems? I'd also like to ask you, seeing as I have bitten properly, in what areas in the TP showing its age? -- browellm Transporter >> Kondo M7 >>Art Audio Quintet, Border Patrol PS >> Living Voice IBX/R2 browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
Is that one utter or two? Feel free to disagree, or be rude, but I'll respect you more if you actually say something interesting. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter v Linn Squeeky DS
JezA;433895 Wrote: > You might get a 20w amplifier to drive a speaker to 'deafening levels' > but the reason you would be being deafened is that it will be clipping > transients horrifically on any material with a decent dynamic range > played back at a decent level. Sure a horn loaded loudspeaker will make > a lot of noise with a low powered amp, but at the expense of some > dreadful colourations, not to mention lots of money. I agree with > Labarum, a 20w/channel amp in a £1k product is just odd, most modern > decent speakers just aren't sensitive enough to be driven effectively by > such a product. I suppose you could listen very near-field though, but > if it was me I'd be looking for a decent amp, that didn't constrain my > choice of speakers or playback dynamic range. After all Phil, you > yourself are using a 90w/ch amplifier to drive a tweeter! Utter, utter rubbish. -- browellm Transporter >> Kondo M7 >>Art Audio Quintet, Border Patrol PS >> Living Voice IBX/R2 browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64680 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Managing Both Lossless and Lossy Files
I suggest you have a look at Media Monkey. I use Media Monkey to manage my 68,000 track library of mainly FLAC files. Media Monkey will also synch to ipods and many other MP3 players or external drives. Part of the synch functionality allows you to transcode on the fly. So, when I synch my ipod all flac files and any MP3's above 256k are converted to 256K VBR. It's a little slow sometimes because of the transcoding but I have a fairly substantial set of core albums on the ipod all the time so I'm just tinkering around the edges and only changing 100 or so tracks each time. Anyway, it works well for me -- aspendl828 aspendl828's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20497 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64731 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192 digital output?
Al Jones;434274 Wrote: > > When streaming 24/192 files from a NAS, will the digital outputs on my > Transporter deliver true 24/192 to its digital outputs? > Short (and true answer) is simply, no. 24/96 is max. B. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64781 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192 digital output?
I know that the Transporter can downsample 24/192 for playback at 24/96, but I would like to feed uncorrupted 24/192 via the Transporter to an external 24/192 DAC. When streaming 24/192 files from a NAS, will the digital outputs on my Transporter deliver true 24/192 to its digital outputs? Thanks, Al Jones -- Al Jones Al Jones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19506 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64781 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] It ain't what you'd call minimal
Rodney_Gold;434241 Wrote: > You cannot extend that logic...regardless of the source , your playback > can be modified to either be totally accurate and not allow any other > errors to creep in or to be modified to taste with various components. The difficulty is knowing whether or not "totally accurate" has been achieved. As you rightly say, there is no absolute truth. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] It ain't what you'd call minimal
You cannot extend that logic...regardless of the source , your playback can be modified to either be totally accurate and not allow any other errors to creep in or to be modified to taste with various components. If one is an audiophile as opposed to a music lover ..one will always have angst as to whether your playback is "up to snuff". Not every recording has been treated with distain by engineers. However the notion of tone controls to tune to taste is not a bad one , provided the tone controls themselves are not more destructive than their effects...so generally TC in the digital domain would be a preference. The problem is that tone controls themselves cannot always do what one wants..for example they cannot really aid imaging or allow low level decay or indeed add missing info. Ultimately there is no universal truth in audio reproduction and the only "real" truth is whether the listener is happy with their system. Some folk take a total pragmatic approach in that if a cable passes a signal its good enough and some go to the other extreme in that they spend fortunes on tweakery of debateable value and "fool" themselves into hearing major differences (and even if the difference doesnt actually exist - its a trusim for whomsoever "hears" it) The reality for both camps is that they both believe their approach is correct , the former congratulate themselves on getting away cheap and the latter congratulate themselves on buying what they percieve as a worthwhile upgrade...I don't see the need for anyone on either side to be patronising to the other. -- Rodney_Gold Sb3/Z-sys RDP1/meridian DSP5500's TP/X-cans v3/Senns 650's TP/TACT 2.0/SCM 50a's TP/Meridian DSP5000's "The nicest thing about smacking your head against the wall is...the feeling you get when you stop" Rodney_Gold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
