Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508386 Wrote: > How long is everyone going to ignore the OT? Yeah, flac2mp3-whatever > can transcode just like a hundred other programs. The OP wants a PLAYER > that plays FLAC, ogg, and mp3. > > Start another post on the benefits of mp3flac2-whatever from > Robin-the-eternal-guest. Why does "audiophile" forum become "I know > better than you and ignore your question" a good deal of the time? Come on now. You can see that people are simply answering the equally off-topic question/request that *you* posed, namely: kphinney;508320 Wrote: > unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, > adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a > hassle than it's worth. Meanwhile, the OP has gotten plenty of responses about players that support FLAC, Ogg, and MP3. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] why is increasing the power supply amp rating
Hello Guys, Thank you for all the reply and explanation. -- tomasito tomasito's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74250 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
How long is everyone going to ignore the OT? Yeah, flac2mp3-whatever can transcode just like a hundred other programs. The OP wants a PLAYER that plays FLAC, ogg, and mp3. Allow me to quote: > ...eliminate Apple products [from his choice of players] > - beside mp3, it must play ogg and flac > - simple usb mass storage interface without "music management" > software. Think files and directories. Start another post on the benefits of mp3flac2-whatever from Robin-the-eternal-guest. Why does "audiophile" forum become "I know better than you and ignore your question" a good deal of the time? -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
audiomuze wrote: > Robin, I've used flac2mp3 for a long time now and find it to be an > excellent tool Yes, its a great tool, Thanks Robin > Any plans make it multi-threaded to speed up the encoding process? Well, why not dream of the moon: flac2mp3 should be setup to detect and use multiple cores. Nearly all serious desktops these days are quad, and even most "better than netbook" laptops are at least dual core. Soon, all desktops will be at least 8 cores. Most of the time, if you use a cron job to make the parallel mp3 tree, you don't care how long it takes. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508337 Wrote: > flac2mp3 does indeed make an mp3 copy of flac files, also copying the > tags. It is intelligent enough to only transcode if the audio data has > changed and can update tags without transcoding the audio. > Robin, I've used flac2mp3 for a long time now and find it to be an excellent tool (thanks for making it available). I generally treat mp3 like one would disposable diapers - turf them when done rather than keep a library lying around, so multi threaded encoding would be really handy for generating new mp3. Any plans make it multi-threaded to speed up the encoding process? -- audiomuze IF YOU WANT CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR CUSTOMSCAN AND CUSTOMBROWSE PLUGINS, VOTE FOR 'BUG #6023 - NEW PLUGIN HOOKS TO IMPLEMENT SCANNING FUNCTIONS' (HTTPS://BUGS.SLIMDEVICES.COM/SHOW_BUG.CGI?ID=6023) AND LET PLUGIN DEVELOPERS DO WHAT LOGITECH WON'T. '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 19/01/10 23:52, kphinney wrote: > > I agree keeping 15% additional space isn't that big of a deal, but > unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, > adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a > hassle than it's worth. Much easier to use a FLAC native device. See [1] :) flac2mp3 does indeed make an mp3 copy of flac files, also copying the tags. It is intelligent enough to only transcode if the audio data has changed and can update tags without transcoding the audio. As aubuti says, simply run a cron job nightly to automatically transcode any new flac files to mp3 and update any tag changes. It can't hurt - flac2mp3 is idempotent. R. [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508320 Wrote: > I agree keeping 15% additional space isn't that big of a deal, but > unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, > adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a > hassle than it's worth. Much easier to use a FLAC native device. Set up flac2mp3.pl to run periodically via cron or whatever the Scheduler-du-jour is in Windows. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
My bad. Thanks and apologies. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
I agree keeping 15% additional space isn't that big of a deal, but unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a hassle than it's worth. Much easier to use a FLAC native device. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508293 Wrote: > On 19/01/10 21:51, kphinney wrote: > > > > Robin Bowes;508260 Wrote: > The only benefit seems to be that you don't have to transcode, which > I've already pointed out is easy [1]. Oh, and you save a bit on disk > space since the mp3 copy of your library takes up a certain amount of > space. > > > kphinney;508307 Wrote: > > You're still missing the point: If you have a FLAC library and an MP3 > > library it can only take more physical space than a FLAC only library. > > 1+1 = 2, not 1, not 0. > > ... > > Looks like it just makes an MP3 copy of an existing FLAC, hence, more > > space used. > > Actually kphinney, you are missing the point. Re-read Robin's post. He wrote that a benefit of doing it your way (ie, having a FLAC-only library) is that it takes less space than having that FLAC library *plus* a MP3 copy of the library. You two are in vehement agreement on that point. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney wrote: > You're still missing the point: If you have a FLAC library and an MP3 > library it can only take more physical space than a FLAC only library. > 1+1 = 2, not 1, not 0. But its more like 1+1 = 1.4 And in these days of terabyte disks for under $100, a one time storage of two formats, or even three if you keep flac, MP3 and audio comppressed version, is not an issue. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508293 Wrote: > > The only benefit seems to be that you don't have to transcode, which > I've already pointed out is easy [1]. Oh, and you save a bit on disk > space since the mp3 copy of your library takes up a certain amount of > space. > [color=blue] > You're still missing the point: If you have a FLAC library and an MP3 library it can only take more physical space than a FLAC only library. 1+1 = 2, not 1, not 0. Robin Bowes;508293 Wrote: > > See [1]. > > > I travel with FLAC, I sync with FLAC, and I'm slowly getting grid of > > the residual mp3s left from the early days. Why would one want to > step > > backward? > > To take more music with you when you travel? I can fit my entire > library > on a 500GB drive in MP3 format, but it takes up much more space in FLAC > format. > [color=blue] True. But I'm content with having "only", say 1/6th of my library with me when I'm commuting to work. After all, it's not a 1872 hour commute. Even in Boston traffic 72 days may be a bit longer than average. I'll sacrifice 20 minutes a week updating my portable device with my FLAC files rather than transcoding each time I add an artist and spending time to manage two separate libraries. flac2mp3 works okay, but if I may quote your Read Me (this may be out of date as I haven't tried it recently, but it looks like it doesn't receive many updates.): > flac2mp3 is a perl script that will search for flac files within > a directory hierarchy and convert them all to mp3 format, creating a > matching directory structure in the process. Looks like it just makes an MP3 copy of an existing FLAC, hence, more space used. (Perhaps it would be more accurate to say it copies the files to a matching directory structure and then transcodes them as MP3s?) -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 19/01/10 21:51, kphinney wrote: > > Robin Bowes;508260 Wrote: >> On 19/01/10 21:16, matka wrote: >> >>> Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer >>> relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. >> >> >> Really, flac for your stated use case is total overkill. You're just >> making your life harder for zero benefit. Transcoding is easy [1]. The >> smaller file sizes of even high bit-rate lossy format means that >> copying >> to the device takes less time, and you can store many more tracks >> (typically, 8-10x the number of flacs). >> >> R. >> >> [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 > > He said he didn't want to transcode. End of story. It's a free country [2] so the OP can of course do whatever they see fit. I'm merely pointing out the drawbacks to that approach. You get: 1. less player choice, not as many players support flac vs. lossy formats 2. less music on the player - flac is bigger, so less tracks 3. longer time to copy to the device (because the files are bigger) 4. No discernable difference in audio quality - when listening on a train with headphones The only benefit seems to be that you don't have to transcode, which I've already pointed out is easy [1]. Oh, and you save a bit on disk space since the mp3 copy of your library takes up a certain amount of space. > Transcoding itself > is easy, but it's a pain in the @ss just the same. You need to have a > FLAC library, keep it separate from the MP3 library, then devise > creative ways to manage, compare, and update each library. See [1]. > I travel with FLAC, I sync with FLAC, and I'm slowly getting grid of > the residual mp3s left from the early days. Why would one want to step > backward? To take more music with you when you travel? I can fit my entire library on a 500GB drive in MP3 format, but it takes up much more space in FLAC format. > As for storing more tracks, you are obviously wrong, if he doesn't wish > to delete his FLAC library: FLAC alone < FLAC + MP3. Obviously, I meant you can store many more tracks on the portable device. R. [2] My country = UK. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] why is increasing the power supply amp rating
iPhone;508106 Wrote: > 1) ... > 2) Again no reason. It is part of getting people to spend money they > don't need to. In the Audiophile world, linear power supplies are > considered High End and Switchers are considered less Audiophile. Of > course none of this matters with the Squeezebox because there are > internal switching supplies inside the Squeezebox after the main power > supply. So feeding a Squeezebox with a Linear PS versus a Switching PS > makes no difference whatsoever. This has been discussed by Phil and > myself on this Forum many times and backed up with the testing we have > done. > > Save your money and don't be fooled by claims that a Linear PS will > improve your Squeezebox. The only reason to replace the OEM PS is if it > dies (buy a new switching supply) or if one has a system issue that is > solved by using a Linear PS (ground loop problem, audible noise, etc). > Other then that the OEM Switching Power Supply is all one needs. I disagree. Perhaps if you isolate the line your WalWart is on, move it to another room where it does not come in proximity of other audio equipment and then only use your SB as a non-audio display it may make little difference. Sean posted some of his results (a few years back?) and he found little difference. Typically that would be good enough for me, but on a lark I tried a linear supply I had for an expensive biomedical application and found a much darker sound floor. I purchased the CI Audio PS and was very happy with it for the time I owned that unit. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74250 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
The Clip+ is the first memory player I have ever bought, for much the same reasons as the OP. While it might be overkill, quality wise, for most situations, there are those situations where the extra quality can be apreciated, such as in a quiet hotel room, or hooked up through an aux connection in a parked car. The 8gb model can hold almost 8 hours of FLAC files, and adding 16 more hours, via a 16gb microsd card, could not be easier. I find that sufficient. While transcoding might be easy, its even easier to drag and drop files that already exist. While some find tagging and transcoding easy, others of us are not quite so adept. -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
matka;504243 Wrote: > I have a relatively long train commute to work and would like to > optimize the use of that time by listening to music at the best possible > fidelity. I'm looking for an advice for a portable player with the best > possible audio quality, however, besides audio quality, I do have some > other requirements that eliminate Apple products. > > - beside mp3, it must play ogg and flac > - simple usb mass storage interface without "music management" > software. Think files and directories. > > Recommendations are appreciated. BTW George, what OS are you running? -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508260 Wrote: > On 19/01/10 21:16, matka wrote: > > > Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer > > relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. > > > Really, flac for your stated use case is total overkill. You're just > making your life harder for zero benefit. Transcoding is easy [1]. The > smaller file sizes of even high bit-rate lossy format means that > copying > to the device takes less time, and you can store many more tracks > (typically, 8-10x the number of flacs). > > R. > > [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 He said he didn't want to transcode. End of story. Transcoding itself is easy, but it's a pain in the @ss just the same. You need to have a FLAC library, keep it separate from the MP3 library, then devise creative ways to manage, compare, and update each library. I travel with FLAC, I sync with FLAC, and I'm slowly getting grid of the residual mp3s left from the early days. Why would one want to step backward? As for storing more tracks, you are obviously wrong, if he doesn't wish to delete his FLAC library: FLAC alone < FLAC + MP3. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 19/01/10 21:16, matka wrote: > Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer > relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. Really, flac for your stated use case is total overkill. You're just making your life harder for zero benefit. Transcoding is easy [1]. The smaller file sizes of even high bit-rate lossy format means that copying to the device takes less time, and you can store many more tracks (typically, 8-10x the number of flacs). R. [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
iPhone;507812 Wrote: > Having trouble understanding some of the things you said/require. > > Your on a train, if your not using high end accurate head/earphones > what does it matter what the fidelity of the audio is? If its small > speakers on a train, nobody can tell the difference between 192Kbps and > FLAC under those conditions. Why waste the hard drive space? > > So in my mind to keep power requirements down, then high quality > head/earphones is the only thing that makes sense on a train and in most > "mobile" situations. > > I would look at 'HeadRoom' > (http://www.headphone.com/packages/portable-packages.php) for some ideas > for good mobile fidelity. Also why are Apple products just out right > eliminated? Older players can have RockBox put on them and one can play > FLAC on an 160GB iPod, very portable, plenty of tunes, fair audio > quality. > > I use an iPhone for personal mobile use. Almost all of my music is > ripped to FLAC. I convert what I want on the iPhone to 256 or 320Kbps > MP3. Would having a FLAC player make listening better, I don't think so. > Mobile listening has too many challenges to approach how I listen to > FLAC at home. One positive advantage would be no more file converting if > I was using a FLAC mobile device, but again I don't think I would notice > any difference between 320 MP3 verses FLAC on a train. I used wrong title for this post, should not use audiophile. I wanted an advice from people who care about sound to get the best possible advice under the circumstances. Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. Why no Apple ? - Once they support majority of available codecs and plain jane usb mass storage then I will gladly give them my $ even if the products are slightly overpriced. To pay top $ and then reflash when there are alternatives just does not make any sense. I rather support slimdevices way of thinking. Sound quality between flac and high quality ogg on a train ? I tried and did not find any, environment and headphones are probably not up to it. -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius 2 Duets, 1 Boom, 1 SB3 Sansa Clip Plus -> AKG K 420 Fedora Core Linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
HiFiMan HM-801 was the new audiophile player of choice as of last summer, which includes both a nice DAC and a headphone amp. I would have jumped on that, except for the fact that it doesn't come with any memory at all, and relies on chips of 32GB max. http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f87/updated-hifiman-hm-801-portable-music-player-preorder-424053/ SDXC chips were supposed to be in production last year, but they seem to be behind schedule. They're going to start with 64GB and supposedly could potentially go to 2TB, who knows when. As soon as players and chips get to that point with an affordable price, then I'll be interested. -- Fastnbulbous Fastnbulbous's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31235 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
George, have you looked into this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sony-MZM200-HiMD-Recorder?sku=244773&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=31497537 I can't recommend it high enough. MZ-M200 Hi-MD Recording Modes: Linear PCM (44.1kHz 16-bit) - Uncompressed - 94 Min. ATRAC3plus (256 kbps) - Compressed - Up to 8 hrs ATRAC3plus (64kbps) - Compressed - Up to 34 hrs -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
> There are couple of annoyances tough: > > - does not recognize flac tags (comments) > - does not play flac gapless > > I will keep it for a week or 2 and then decide if this shortcomings > (and any other ones) will make me return the device for Sansa Clip. Just a follow up. I have returned Archos Vision 3 back to the store once it become apparent that it does not sort files in the file name sequence, had to use "fatsort" to sort FAT allocation table... Instead I've got Sansa Clip plus - this player is almost everything that I wanted. The only complain so far is the "almost" gapless flac, there is a small break between tracks. Thanks for the recommendations. -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius Fedora Core linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
True. I haven't tried Aps and doubt Apple would allow anything but iTunes to handle that. Although, it's been over a year since I used iTunes and I manage my aps with the App Store built into the Phone. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508088 Wrote: > I don't want to go off topic, but you do have many alternatives to > iTunes that include syncing your iPhone. Check out Songbird. There are > a few posts here that mention other alternatives as well. As of Songbird 1.4.2, it still does not support iPhone or iTouch according to the web (December 22, 2009). And I am sure one can't get the current iPhone OS update with Songbird or update apps or download or buy apps. Why do I want yet another program to use with my iPhone when I can just use iTunes that I already have. I don't use iTunes for anything else so just using it until there is a total replacement program for iTunes that will do everything. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
cliveb wrote: > As iPhone said, you're listening on a train. I guess it all depends on > how noisy the trains are in your neck of the woods, but if they're > anything like the trains I use then worrying about the fidelity of the > files is the least of your problems. > > Even using ear canal phones (I use Shure e2c), the background noise is > sufficiently high on a train that in order to hear the quiet parts you > need to turn the volume up so high that the loud parts are far too loud. > (I have the same issue with listening in the car). The solution to this > problem is to use a device with a playback AGC Alternative solution is to apply audio compression to the files before you load them onto the portable player. I've had CD players with audio compression for nearly two decades. You can't hear the dymanic range of a CD, so you might as well call up a compressor and reduce the range. Then you can hear the soft parts without the loud ones damaging your ears. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] why is increasing the power supply amp rating
tomasito;508065 Wrote: > Hello, > Perhaps there is comeone who can give me an explantion on this > upgrade. > I see power supply upgrades that re linear power supply and with higher > amp rating. > > question: > 1. Why is the amp rating higher than the power supply that comes stock > with the squeezebox? Will it not damage the circuitry of the squeezebox > with the higher current? > > 2. What is the reason for a linear power supply? > > thanks, 1) No reason. It might be because those are the parts they chose to use. The extra current is not needed. The Squeezebox will only draw the current it needs, less then 2 amps is most cases. 2) Again no reason. It is part of getting people to spend money they don't need to. In the Audiophile world, linear power supplies are considered High End and Switchers are considered less Audiophile. Of course none of this matters with the Squeezebox because there are internal switching supplies inside the Squeezebox after the main power supply. So feeding a Squeezebox with a Linear PS versus a Switching PS makes no difference whatsoever. This has been discussed by Phil and myself on this Forum many times and backed up with the testing we have done. Save your money and don't be fooled by claims that a Linear PS will improve your Squeezebox. The only reason to replace the OEM PS is if it dies (buy a new switching supply) or if one has a system issue that is solved by using a Linear PS (ground loop problem, audible noise, etc). Other then that the OEM Switching Power Supply is all one needs. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74250 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508088 Wrote: > I don't want to go off topic, but you do have many alternatives to > iTunes that include syncing your iPhone. Check out Songbird. There are > a few posts here that mention other alternatives as well. but don't forget about synching things other than music, like various apps (maybe songbird does this too, don't know). I too use itunes for my ipod/iphone synching but otherwise use SbS or foobar for music management. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] why is increasing the power supply amp rating
tomasito;508065 Wrote: > Hello, > Perhaps there is comeone who can give me an explantion on this > upgrade. > I see power supply upgrades that re linear power supply and with higher > amp rating. > > question: > 1. Why is the amp rating higher than the power supply that comes stock > with the squeezebox? Will it not damage the circuitry of the squeezebox > with the higher current? > > 2. What is the reason for a linear power supply? > > thanks, 1. You're thinking volts. Amps is the amount of current the supply can provide. The Squeezebox will only draw as much current as it needs. The power supply must be able to provide the minimum amp requirement. If it can provide more amps, then that doesn't hurt anything. For linear power supplies, voltage regulation is usually better if the current draw isn't near the maximum the supply can provide. 2. The "wall wart" power supply for the Squeezebox 3 (i.e. "Classic") emitted a lot of high-frequency electrical noise, both back into the power line and as radio waves. This can interfere with some systems. A linear power supply emits very little noise. Reportedly, the power supply provided with the upcoming Squeezebox Touch is much better with regards to unwanted noise. Regards, Kim -- krochat -- Acourate -> Convolver -> SB3 -> GW Labs DSP (96kHz upsampler) -> Apogee Big Ben -> TacT RCS 2.2X -> 2x TacT S2150 -> Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74250 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
iPhone;508080 Wrote: > ...The only reason I use it [iTunes] is that I am forced to use it with > my iPhone... I don't want to go off topic, but you do have many alternatives to iTunes that include syncing your iPhone. Check out Songbird. There are a few posts here that mention other alternatives as well. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
sebp;507884 Wrote: > Some people don't like iTunes, and don't want to even hear about it. > That's what I'm trying to teach my Mac every time it tries to update, > but it's still not clear to it, even if I run the class for 2 years > now. > > Why? > - iTunes has zero added value to me: it just doesn't support FLAC > - I just can't install any software on most Windows machines I use when > I'm away from home > - Apple got enough money from me, already Well as I have stated several times on this Forum, I HATE iTUNES! The only reason I use it is that I am forced to use it with my iPhone. I never owned an iPod and iTunes might have been part of that reason. I needed/wanted the features only the iPhone had when it came out. And iTunes was required to be able to use it. Having said all that, one also gets the huge advantage of iPeng if one buys an iPhone or iTouch. The only time I use iTunes on my Mac Mini is when I pull down apps or updates or for loading different songs on my iPhone. My FLAC library is safe on another drive and iTunes doesn't do FLAC so they will stay safe. I use dBPowerAmp to convert the songs I want to go on the iPhone to MP3 from my FLAC library. So in certain cases, I feel that there is a point in which iTunes becomes a lesser evil when there are advantages to using an iPhone or iTouch for portable music. Also the iPhone gets me down to one device from carrying 4 (Cell phone, MP3 Player, Blackberry text pager, laptop/netbook web browser). -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] why is increasing the power supply amp rating
Hello, Perhaps there is comeone who can give me an explantion on this upgrade. I see power supply upgrades that re linear power supply and with higher amp rating. question: 1. Why is the amp rating higher than the power supply that comes stock with the squeezebox? Will it not damage the circuitry of the squeezebox with the higher current? 2. What is the reason for a linear power supply? thanks, -- tomasito tomasito's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74250 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
As iPhone said, you're listening on a train. I guess it all depends on how noisy the trains are in your neck of the woods, but if they're anything like the trains I use then worrying about the fidelity of the files is the least of your problems. Even using ear canal phones (I use Shure e2c), the background noise is sufficiently high on a train that in order to hear the quiet parts you need to turn the volume up so high that the loud parts are far too loud. (I have the same issue with listening in the car). The solution to this problem is to use a device with a playback AGC (ie. that can gain-ride the playback level). Sure, it trashes the natural dynamics of the music, but I find that preferable to being unable to hear half of it. As far as I am aware, only two players have ever offered such a facility: the Rio Karma, and its offspring the Trekstor Vibez. Both products are now unavailable, of course, unless you can find a secondhand one. I still use my Karma when travelling. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
