Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
If you want to work on insane sample rates, your best bet is to talk to John Swenson who is working on doing this for SB Touch, since the firmware for that is open enough. The ip3k firmware can never be open-sourced unfortunately, as it contains proprietary code from Ubicom. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
pfarrell;527584 Wrote: > Sean and Dean talked in the past about > making the firmware be under an Open Source license. But the sticking > point is that the firmware needs a special compiler and linker, and > the > license for that costs solid five figures. So they thought that no one > would spring for a legal license, so there was no reason to release > the > firmware source code. One possible work around for the compiler issue is student licenses. Many companies offer those for free, for the duration of a course of study (6 months or so). There's usually a lot of restrictions on use though, and of course absolutely no commercial application is allowed. Sadly, I expect they would take a dim view on someone working on updates to the firmware of a commercial product... -- DCtoDaylight Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, Infinite Signal to Noise Ratio, and a Bandwidth from DC to Daylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123 wrote: > Few bugs in firmware and optimization of the code is not something not > possible. This makes zero sense. Its an EOL product. Live with the bugs, or buy a new product that does what you want. Perhaps if the TP was new, but its not. Moore's law has marched on. There are better DAC chips, faster DSP chips, faster and cheaper embedded CPUs, even faster NICs. Plus, why in the world would someone think that any time spend to support 176/24 and 192Khz/24 makes any sense when there is no source material out there. As a wish, this makes no sense. As a practical project, it makes far less. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123;527582 Wrote: > Phil > > I can leave with this dead-end for next 10 years, > again, the level of the mod is so high, that the player now competes > with the > sound of Metronome and EMM Labs > > Few bugs in firmware and optimization of the code is not something not > possible. > > If SlimDevices/Logitech guys read this, I would like them to contact > me, I have some time so I could invest in profiling and optimizing the > code. I'm sure the firmware bugs could be fixed (if there was anyone to work on them). The VFD displays in the TP are going to fail at some point... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123 wrote: > Since nobody is working on the transporter firmware, why not release it > into public domain? That is not a realistic request. Sean and Dean talked in the past about making the firmware be under an Open Source license. But the sticking point is that the firmware needs a special compiler and linker, and the license for that costs solid five figures. So they thought that no one would spring for a legal license, so there was no reason to release the firmware source code. I have worked on other embedded systems, and expensive tools are frequent in the business. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Phil I can leave with this dead-end for next 10 years, again, the level of the mod is so high, that the player now competes with the sound of Metronome and EMM Labs Few bugs in firmware and optimization of the code is not something not possible. If SlimDevices/Logitech guys read this, I would like them to contact me, I have some time so I could invest in profiling and optimizing the code. -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123;527576 Wrote: > Phil > > did you check personally? > I hear these things every day.. > > Just last week I sat with our programmers and we improved algorithm 10 > times. > Things can always be improved, I do not buy it. > > Since nobody is working on the transporter firmware, why not release it > into public domain? Michael, in my opinion it isn't going to happen. However, there is every chance that the Touch will be able to support these bit rates, since it is effectively a Linux box with a much more powerful cpu, running a less proprietary driver that can be tweaked - and Mr. Swenson is working on it. The tp is sadly a dead end. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Or.. How can I become contributor? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Phil did you check personally? I hear these things every day.. Just last week I sat with our programmers and we improved algorithm 10 times. Things can always be improved, I do not buy it. Since nobody is working on the transporter firmware, why not release it into public domain? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123;527568 Wrote: > I do not believe this, as I saw recent posts by Sean Adams, CPU could be > lowered by lower compression ratios of FLAC, or just using WAV files. > > Also, the code might be optimized. > > 5 years ago 96/24 was quite good, it still good enough for today, but > to be competitive, this piece shall support up to 96/24. > > Question: can I grab my hands on the source code of the firmware? > Is there simulation environment? > What is the development environment? > > That bug with pseudo over-voltage is annoying me, and lack of native > support for these bitrates as well.. What Sean implied was that every last ounce of CPU power is being used already. There is nowhere to go with this. The TP firmware source code is proprietary. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Phil Leigh;527567 Wrote: > and given that it already struggles to decode certain flac files, I > think it is safe to say there is no way to make it support >24/96. > > You need to get a Touch :-) With the help of one of the gurus here, I modded my Transporter with Burson discrete HD op-amps, plus some other dozens of (very cheap!) components were replaced.. Now Transporter sounds identical to top-of-the-line EMM Labs player (costing 30K$). I listened to both for about 5 hours on different content. No way I will replace my transporter anytime soon.. But surely, I can help to improve its firmware -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
michael123;527542 Wrote: > Transporter with its digital volume can't be used as a preamp, unless > you listen to a very high volume or you have a gain control on your > amplifier. > > In my system, its volume is fixed on 100% (as well as in every review > of Transporter, e.g. Absolute Sound or Stereophile) Yes but that's just audiophile paranoia :-) You can easily take the volume down to (say) 80 without being able to detect any impact on audio quality. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
I do not believe this, as I saw recent posts by Sean Adams, CPU could be lowered by lower compression ratios of FLAC, or just using WAV files. Also, the code might be optimized. 5 years ago 96/24 was quite good, it still good enough for today, but to be competitive, this piece shall support up to 96/24. Question: can I grab my hands on the source code of the firmware? Is there simulation environment? What is the development environment? That bug with pseudo over-voltage is annoying me, and lack of native support for these bitrates as well.. -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
snarlydwarf;527560 Wrote: > No, it's a limit of the speed of the CPU. and given that it already struggles to decode certain flac files, I think it is safe to say there is no way to make it support >24/96. You need to get a Touch :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact RCS 2.2X
twheatley;527508 Wrote: > thanks - will try the Rothwells for a start. > > I can't thank you guys enough - I have moved closer to hifi nirvana in > the last week than I have in the last 2 years. > > Now - for the final tweak I really need to master the Tact. I've been > using the beta PC software for the last year (using the "quick set up" > feature) and I've found it pretty good. As far as I can see, no major > steps are missed. The only point I've seen on other forums is to make > the the filter peaks at 0db - yet I can only find a tool to shift the > target curve up or down (or am I being dump, and this will achieve the > same thing). > > Also - if I'm placing the microphone for different listening positions > closer or further away from the speaker, does the software adjust the > mic gain accordingly? > > Are there any good online guides (other than the Tact site) or forum > threads to get the most out of the Tact RCS? > > As I said - so far, what I've learnt from you all has been invaluable > (even the wife can hear the difference) - I'm just looking to make sure > no stone is left unturned. > > By the way, as a small contribution to your thoughts, can I suggest you > give the PS Audio Power Plant Regenerator a go? I've tried various > passive power supply filters in the past to little avail. This thing is > just beautiful - especially given the poor power we get fed in London > with noticeable harmonic distortion. Give them a call and at least test > it for a couple of weeks - I was EXTREMELY suspicious, but it totally > suprised me. Yes the mic gain auto adjusts when you move the mic - you should seek out the TACT users forum (TAUG) on Yahoo Groups for more support/advice. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70166 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact RCS 2.2X
callesoroe;527532 Wrote: > I have the problem because i turn all my system off at outlet when > I am going to bed. And by power off it does not store settings. Which would also happen after a power cut... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70166 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123;527539 Wrote: > I see that AK4396 supports up to 192/24. > Isn't the limit of 96/24 artificial? No, it's a limit of the speed of the CPU. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
Transporter with its digital volume can't be used as a preamp, unless you listen to a very high volume or you have a gain control on your amplifier. In my system, its volume is fixed on 100% (as well as in every review of Transporter, e.g. Absolute Sound or Stereophile) -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
I see that AK4396 supports up to 192/24. Isn't the limit of 96/24 artificial? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact RCS 2.2X
twheatley;527419 Wrote: > Not sure I understand - I don't seem to have that problem. I always > leave the transporter out at 100 and use the tact to control the volume > that's fed back into the transporter. > > For what you suggest to happen the transporter would have to control > the volume digital output of the tact. > > My setup is: > TP digital out to Tact Mini digital input (terminal 1) > Tact mini balanced output to TP digital in > > TP analogue out to Simaudio W5 amp > > Sounds awesome. I have the problem because i turn all my system off at outlet when I am going to bed. And by power off it does not store settings. -- callesoroe Callesoroe SB-duet, Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70166 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact RCS 2.2X
thanks - will try the Rothwells for a start. I can't thank you guys enough - I have moved closer to hifi nirvana in the last week than I have in the last 2 years. Now - for the final tweak I really need to master the Tact. I've been using the beta PC software for the last year (using the "quick set up" feature) and I've found it pretty good. As far as I can see, no major steps are missed. The only point I've seen on other forums is to make the the filter peaks at 0db - yet I can only find a tool to shift the target curve up or down (or am I being dump, and this will achieve the same thing). Also - if I'm placing the microphone for different listening positions closer or further away from the speaker, does the software adjust the mic gain accordingly? Are there any good online guides (other than the Tact site) or forum threads to get the most out of the Tact RCS? As I said - so far, what I've learnt from you all has been invaluable (even the wife can hear the difference) - I'm just looking to make sure no stone is left unturned. By the way, as a small contribution to your thoughts, can I suggest you give the PS Audio Power Plant Regenerator a go? I've tried various passive power supply filters in the past to little avail. This thing is just beautiful - especially given the poor power we get fed in London with noticeable harmonic distortion. Give them a call and at least test it for a couple of weeks - I was EXTREMELY suspicious, but it totally suprised me. -- twheatley twheatley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70166 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
SuperQ;527487 Wrote: > You might be able to do this with a universal remote, and some > modifications to the IR control files. (In the source/IR/ directory) > > The IR maps already contain keys for: > digital_input_aes-ebu > digital_input_bnc-spdif > digital_input_rca-spdif > digital_input_toslink Thats good to know. I got a duet remote and I think I saw a program for programming it's IR LED. What would be really cool is if I could use the big knob on the transporter for input selection. Say turning the knob while pressed selects input source. Or a single keypress of any other key toggles the input sources. The easier the better. -- ntropy ntropy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33247 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
ntropy;527462 Wrote: > I also plan to use the balanced outputs. I think I read somewhere that > there are already attenuators on the board. But you need to open the > case of the transporter to access the switches (am I right about > this?). > > The selection of the input sounds easy. Is there a way to make it a > single key press? Like setting a favorite or so? You might be able to do this with a universal remote, and some modifications to the IR control files. (In the source/IR/ directory) The IR maps already contain keys for: digital_input_aes-ebu digital_input_bnc-spdif digital_input_rca-spdif digital_input_toslink -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
ntropy;527460 Wrote: > Yes, SACD is an example. Or if a friend brings along his CD, I don't > want to rip it first before we can listen. Maybe I will still get rid of > the CDP since I don't own many SACD. Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the SACD spec require that you cannot get a digital output from the SACD layer? Presumably that means that when you play an SACD disc, the data stream on the SPDIF output is from the redbook layer. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
ntropy;527480 Wrote: > I'm drifting a bit away from my main question, but if I understand this > right I only need an attenuator when I don't want to use the volume > control too much so I don't lose resolution? > I got active speakers where I also can set the gain/attenuation so I > probably don't need an Endler. Yes that will be fine! Set the speaker amp gain to the loudest you ever want to listen with the tp on max, then use the TP vol -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
Phil Leigh;527471 Wrote: > The attenuators are inline with the unbalanced outputs. If using > balanced you will need some Endlers or similar. I'm drifting a bit away from my main question, but if I understand this right I only need an attenuator when I don't want to use the volume control too much so I don't lose resolution? I got active speakers where I also can set the gain/attenuation so I probably don't need an Endler. -- ntropy ntropy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33247 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
ntropy;527462 Wrote: > I also plan to use the balanced outputs. I think I read somewhere that > there are already attenuators on the board. But you need to open the > case of the transporter to access the switches (am I right about > this?). > > The selection of the input sounds easy. Is there a way to make it a > single key press? Like setting a favorite or so? The attenuators are inline with the unbalanced outputs. If using balanced you will need some Endlers or similar. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact RCS 2.2X
twheatley;527451 Wrote: > Phil - Many thanks for this advice. I completely agree that I'm running > a huge risk with this - I just assumed that the Transporter (having been > around for a couple of years now) was stable enough to warrant direct > connection. I used to run a SB3 to Benchmark DAC1 to Simaudio P5 preamp, > bt found the sound SO much better without the pre-amp that I sold it and > injected directly from the DAC1. > > I am using the balanced outputs of the TP. Using an inline attenuator > seems a neat way to avoid blow outs, but is a reduction of only 10db > enough? > > When I was running the audio out of the tact comfortable listening was > around 71 on the display, now running it out of the TP it's about 81. So > I'm guessing I've still got room even with attenuators to go a little > further if needed? Which attenuator would you recommend - Rothwell, or > better (if makes a difference)? Yes - 10dB is perfectly adequate. Apparently Endler make some very high quality (expensive) balanced attenuators. I Used to use Rothwells (unbalanced) - also perfectly fine - but for what is essentially 2 resistors in a plug... a bit expensive :-). In all seriousness, there is very little point in paying premium price for attenuators. At line level, a pair of resistors is going to do nothing to compromise your sound quality. Think of the attenuators as a fuse or as insurance - there for your protection, and much cheaper than an amp or speaker repair/replacement. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70166 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
Shredder;527444 Wrote: > I ran my TP straight to power w/no pre for 2 years. Because I used > balanced outputs, I needed to use an attenuator (Endler stepped was > excellent) to control the gain. Worked very well, although I eventually > added a really nice pre and it sounded even better. > > Anyway, yes, it is easy to switch to the digital inputs. Scroll through > the menu to digital inputs, hit select, scroll through menu to pick > desired input (whichever input to which you have connected your cd > player), and hit select. That's it. Easy as pie. > > TP is highly recommended. High WAF for me as it allowed me to get rid > of our thousands of cd cases. I also plan to use the balanced outputs. I think I read somewhere that there are already attenuators on the board. But you need to open the case of the transporter to access the switches (am I right about this?). The selection of the input sounds easy. Is there a way to make it a single key press? Like setting a favorite or so? -- ntropy ntropy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33247 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
iPhone;527456 Wrote: > If you rip to FLAC, why do you need the CDP anyway (other then maybe for > SACDs)? Just wondering. Yes, SACD is an example. Or if a friend brings along his CD, I don't want to rip it first before we can listen. Maybe I will still get rid of the CDP since I don't own many SACD. Instead of the CD player, I also have a settopbox with digital output (which finaly would eleminate the ground loop hum) and a Nintendo Wii (not really audiophile sound ;-)) -- ntropy ntropy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33247 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
ntropy;527432 Wrote: > I have read that many are using the Transporter as a preamp and connect > it directly to active speakers or to a power amp. > > Now my question: is it possible to easily select different imputs in a > way that I can let's say connect my CD player via optical output to the > transporter and use the built in DAC of the transporter? > > Can I change the input with the touch of a button (or a turn of the > weel) from Squeezeserver to CD player in a WAF (or girlfriend accepable > factor) way? > > This would be really great if possible and a reason for me to buy a TP > :-) > > Thank you for your help > ntropy If you rip to FLAC, why do you need the CDP anyway (other then maybe for SACDs)? Just wondering. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact RCS 2.2X
Phil - Many thanks for this advice. I completely agree that I'm running a huge risk with this - I just assumed that the Transporter (having been around for a couple of years now) was stable enough to warrant direct connection. I used to run a SB3 to Benchmark DAC1 to Simaudio P5 preamp, bt found the sound SO much better without the pre-amp that I sold it and injected directly from the DAC1. I am using the balanced outputs of the TP. Using an inline attenuator seems a neat way to avoid blow outs, but is a reduction of only 10db enough? When I was running the audio out of the tact comfortable listening was around 71 on the display, now running it out of the TP it's about 81. So I'm guessing I've still got room even with attenuators to go a little further if needed? Which attenuator would you recommend - Rothwell, or better (if makes a difference)? -- twheatley twheatley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70166 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
I ran my TP straight to power w/no pre for 2 years. Because I used balanced outputs, I needed to use an attenuator (Endler stepped was excellent) to control the gain. Worked very well, although I eventually added a really nice pre and it sounded even better. Anyway, yes, it is easy to switch to the digital inputs. Scroll through the menu to digital inputs, hit select, scroll through menu to pick desired input (whichever input to which you have connected your cd player), and hit select. That's it. Easy as pie. TP is highly recommended. High WAF for me as it allowed me to get rid of our thousands of cd cases. -- Shredder Shredder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11380 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp
I have read that many are using the Transporter as a preamp and connect it directly to active speakers or to a power amp. Now my question: is it possible to easily select different imputs in a way that I can let's say connect my CD player via optical output to the transporter and use the built in DAC of the transporter? Can I change the input with the touch of a button (or a turn of the weel) from Squeezeserver to CD player in a WAF (or girlfriend accepable factor) way? This would be really great if possible and a reason for me to buy a TP :-) Thank you for your help ntropy -- ntropy ntropy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33247 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AC Power Overload Error on Transporter
cliveb;527155 Wrote: > I realise this is tempting fate, but FWIW I've *never* seen this > message. I've had a Transporter since December 2006. > > Just checked the voltage as reported by SqueezeCenter a few times, and > it was 236, 238, 237, 238, 237. That seems pretty stable, and I'm not > using any power conditioners. > > Perhaps those who are occasionally getting this over-voltage message > could try checking the reported voltage now and again to see how > variable it is. Significant variations could suggest that every now and > then it might stray over the detection threshold. > > One other thought: could the firmware version have any bearing on this? > I'm still on f/w 73 (never needed any of the newer facilities in SC, so > haven't updated). This was already confirmed by Sean Adams in other thread as a bug. I have power conditioner that displays voltage on its LCD, it is very stable, between 229 and 231V. There are two issues a) Transporter voltage measures are not precise: it may report 236V while the real voltage is 230V b) The message ALWAYS happens when I change the tracks, and usually when I change the tracks with very high bitrate, such as 192/24 I think it never changed with CD-quality, 44.1/16 tracks -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact RCS 2.2X
twheatley;527419 Wrote: > Not sure I understand - I don't seem to have that problem. I always > leave the transporter out at 100 and use the tact to control the volume > that's fed back into the transporter. > > For what you suggest to happen the transporter would have to control > the volume digital output of the tact. > > My setup is: > TP digital out to Tact Mini digital input (terminal 1) > Tact mini balanced output to TP digital in > > TP analogue out to Simaudio W5 amp > > Sounds awesome. Not quite. What Callesroe is saying is that IF for any reason the TP "forgets" its digital loop setting, it will go direct from the TP volume (@ 100%) to the TP DAC, missing out the loop (with the TACT and its volume control in). Now the TP is playing @ 100% into whatever is connected to the TP dac output... By the way, this is NOT an approved setup. If you are playing any digital device, you MUST have some form of digital or analogue volume control or attenuators between the output of the digital device/dac and your power amplification. Otherwise any bug or unexpected behaviour could cause your system to play at full volume which could blow your speakers and/or amp. Are you using balanced or unbalanced from TP to the W5? If unbalanced, set the internal attenuators in the TP, if balanced you will need to source some inline attenuators. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70166 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Tact RCS 2.2X
Not sure I understand - I don't seem to have that problem. I always leave the transporter out at 100 and use the tact to control the volume that's fed back into the transporter. For what you suggest to happen the transporter would have to control the volume digital output of the tact. My setup is: TP digital out to Tact Mini digital input (terminal 1) Tact mini balanced output to TP digital in TP analogue out to Simaudio W5 amp Sounds awesome. -- twheatley twheatley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70166 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
firedog;527390 Wrote: > Correction: It turns out the people that use the 2 step process were > referring to a specific program, Wave Editor, that they use for > upsampling. They think the program has a superior upsampler to other > programs, but that a "bug" results in the two step process giving better > results than a one step process. Ah - that makes more sense! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
Phil Leigh;526537 Wrote: > They must have access to better drugs than I do. This 2-stage process is > sheer nonsense. They clearly don't understand how computers or digital > audio works... > Correction: It turns out the people that use the 2 step process were referring to a specific program, Wave Editor, that they use for upsampling. They think the program has a superior upsampler to other programs, but that a "bug" results in the two step process giving better results than a one step process. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeCenter; SB Duet through Empirical Audio Pace Car; TACT 2.2XP with MauiMods; MF X-150 amp, Devore Super 8 Speakers; Mirage MS-12 sub; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
